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| Horse is 5yrs old. Has about 2yrs training
1yr on the pattern training. He is not sore, sick, saddle fits good, chiropractic is good, same bit as always, on good food & quality supplements.
He has started doing this about 2 weeks ago.
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Fire Ant Peddler
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| Definitely a pain problem. Start with teeth then work from the ground up. Other hidden problems are kissing spines, ulcers. A lameness issue can be pretty hard to identify and may require a second opinion. |
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| How do you know he is not sore? I agree, a pain issue and if it were my horse I would not run anymore till I had it figured out.
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| Teeth were done just the other month. He doesn't show any signs of ulcers. a chiropractor looked at him yesterday. He wasn't out anywhere major that would cause an issue.
His other 2 barrels are awesome. Just his 1st barrel.
No signs of soreness in warm up or during barrel work. He bends okay, accepts bit easily, saddles okay. Is relaxed. Eating and drinking fine.
Haven't gotten a x-ray or anything, because he hasn't shown lameness or tenderness in any certain area.
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| Jesse_01 - 2014-05-31 5:06 PM Teeth were done just the other month. He doesn't show any signs of ulcers. a chiropractor looked at him yesterday. He wasn't really out anywhere or showed any signs of soreness. His other 2 barrels are awesome. Just his 1st barrel. No signs of soreness in warm up or during barrel work.
There are lots of issues that a chiro will not be able to find. My gelding was not wanting to work his left barrel, he was not lame, had no swelling, chiro could not find any soreness. Vet found an issue with his suspensory. He is telling you something is hurting and needs to see a vet. |
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| rodeomom3 - 2014-05-31 3:14 PM
Jesse_01 - 2014-05-31 5:06 PM Teeth were done just the other month. He doesn't show any signs of ulcers. a chiropractor looked at him yesterday. He wasn't really out anywhere or showed any signs of soreness. His other 2 barrels are awesome. Just his 1st barrel. No signs of soreness in warm up or during barrel work.
There are lots of issues that a chiro will not be able to find. My gelding was not wanting to work his left barrel, he was not lame, had no swelling, chiro could not find any soreness. Vet found an issue with his suspensory. He is telling you something is hurting and needs to see a vet.
Yeah thats the next plan. Hopefully they will find something. Didn't want to drop $700 on a full exam. Blood test, x-rays and scans would be the next.
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| Good luck, hope it is easy to find. It took several vet visits to find my horses issue. |
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| Horses can develop ulcers in a matter of minutes. They may not have them one day but have them the next. That is not something I would definitely have checked |
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  Angel in a Sorrel Coat
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Location: In a happy place | His feet could be unlevel too. I myself would start at the feet. If his feet are unlevel then it cause him to hurt in other places. He looks like such a nice horse! I hope you can get this figured out.
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Location: Deep South | Definitely would spend the money on a quality lameness vet. There are SO MANY lameness issues, that don't make a horse appear "lame" to the untrained eye. He is hurting, no doubt, hope you get it figured out quickly! |
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| sorrel horse ranch - 2014-05-31 3:37 PM
His feet could be unlevel too. I myself would start at the feet. If his feet are unlevel then it cause him to hurt in other places. He looks like such a nice horse! I hope you can get this figured out.
Feet were done last week. |
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Location: New York | Jesse_01 - 2014-05-31 5:54 PM
sorrel horse ranch - 2014-05-31 3:37 PM
His feet could be unlevel too. I myself would start at the feet. If his feet are unlevel then it cause him to hurt in other places. He looks like such a nice horse! I hope you can get this figured out.
Feet were done last week.
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| The first video you posted, the second and third the horse is turning on the front end and not driving from behind, horses do this to compensate for hind end pain.
You need to listen to your horse, he is telling you something is wrong, I would suggest quit doing any barrel work until the horse can be taken to a lameness equine vet, not the local backyard vet.
I would get flexion test, blocks, and X-rays completed, honestly it will save you money in the end to do all three steps.
Also once the issue has been resolved, don't expect the horse to go back to normal, it looks like he is on the verge or just tipped over the edge of being blown up. Horses generally blow up for two reasons, pain, and being pushed too soon.
With any horse having issues, I automatically put them onto ulcer meds so the issues do not interfere with their work. I also get to know my horse, I watch how they walk trot, lope in the field before they are started, or as soon as I get them, I also try to figure out their personality, my nervous, always at attention, a tense look in their eye, these are the horses that get ulcer meds in their feed when hauling, or I am working them on barrels. I have had a horse bled out internally due to ulcers, she never gave me any inclination she had ulcers until it was too late. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | You are asking for help and everyone has giving you ideals at where to start, but you keep saying thats not the problem, so could it be the way you are riding your horse, videos dont show up close so we can't see hand placement on your reins or how you are riding. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2014-05-31 6:18 PM
You are asking for help and everyone has giving you ideals at where to start, but you keep saying thats not the problem, so could it be the way you are riding your horse, videos dont show up close so we can't see hand placement on your reins or how you are riding.
I have to agree with you. I felt the same way. |
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| Thanks for all the advice and suggestions. I will definitely be learning something new from all of this once it's figure out. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-31 6:08 PM The first video you posted, the second and third the horse is turning on the front end and not driving from behind, horses do this to compensate for hind end pain. You need to listen to your horse, he is telling you something is wrong, I would suggest quit doing any barrel work until the horse can be taken to a lameness equine vet, not the local backyard vet. I would get flexion test, blocks, and X-rays completed, honestly it will save you money in the end to do all three steps. Also once the issue has been resolved, don't expect the horse to go back to normal, it looks like he is on the verge or just tipped over the edge of being blown up. Horses generally blow up for two reasons, pain, and being pushed too soon. With any horse having issues, I automatically put them onto ulcer meds so the issues do not interfere with their work. I also get to know my horse, I watch how they walk trot, lope in the field before they are started, or as soon as I get them, I also try to figure out their personality, my nervous, always at attention, a tense look in their eye, these are the horses that get ulcer meds in their feed when hauling, or I am working them on barrels. I have had a horse bled out internally due to ulcers, she never gave me any inclination she had ulcers until it was too late.
Excellent advice!
If you don't have the money then save it up. Go to the vet get your diagnosis and then save up more money if you must for the treatment.
This board is full of folks that have been there and done that. I just want to say, stop running the barrels we can ruin a horse mind when we run one that is in obvious stress from a physical malady. I've been there and done that. And, your right about learning...from adversity comes many good things. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Jesse_01 - 2014-05-31 7:08 PM Thanks for all the advice and suggestions. I will definitely be learning something new from all of this once it's figure out.
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| I spent 3000.00 to and 18 months and did not,have a fun horse to,ride and i had to show in 2 classes open and senior to get him sore enough for,themvets to,find my problem. 2 weeks before i carried him to the vet to,have hock,surgery my mare,kicked him in the left stifle he was not that sore at the vets, so,we did hock,fusion hocks are fine now,went to,riding him was stiff to,the right every time i,rode him it was worse. Carried him back had to,inject stifles after 5 days was still,sore just poined him today need to,work him at least 2 weeks before i will ride him to,see,where he is at. Stillmhave not,horse he doesnot,look lame.
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Location: "Si Fi" Ville | I had a horse do something similar, it was his stifle. He did not show any pain either. |
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Location: In a happy place | Spark572 - 2014-05-31 5:56 PM Jesse_01 - 2014-05-31 5:54 PM sorrel horse ranch - 2014-05-31 3:37 PM His feet could be unlevel too. I myself would start at the feet. If his feet are unlevel then it cause him to hurt in other places. He looks like such a nice horse! I hope you can get this figured out. Feet were done last week. That doesn't mean they aren't hurting him
If you have a farrier that is not doing a good job and does not have your horse level it doesn't make any difference if his feet were done last week. If you have a bad shoeing job then this affects other mechanical parts of your horse. Again I hope you get this figured out because I sure do like your horse. |
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| OP, when I was trying to figure out if my mare was pain or not I took her to the left to see if it was that barrel or that direction. Turned out to be pain on my mare because she did it to EVERY right barrel turn, not just the first barrel. Might take him to the left and see if he does it on the "2nd & 3rd"
It does look like pain to me because hes working so good and all of a sudden hes not working. It looks like whatever it is takes him by surprise also.
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| Check the suspensories. I had a mare that did this and she had a sore suspensory |
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Location: OK | Instead of paying a lot for exams, try finding a vet who has a pain finder or something like that. My vet has this thermograph thing. I work my horse for a few days so he's sore. I take him up there. He looks at his body and the thermograph measures heat so we know exactly where the horse is sore. It might take 2 minutes. Then we image the trouble spots and find the problem. I like that way better than flex test, trot, flex again, trot, block, etc etc. Maybe hocks are fusing. Maybe stifle problem. May be a hot nail from the last time his feet were done. May be an abscess that might blow out in a few days. Who knows, but I hate to hear of people taking a horse to a chiro repeatedly because he's "out". Go to a vet and find out WHY. Way cheaper in the long run and it might keep you from blowing up your horse. A sore horse will be out all the time because he moves bad trying to compensate for whatever it is that is hurting in the first place. |
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| Absolutely a pain issue! Just because they don't trot off sore doesn't mean they aren't. Get to a good vet that can properly diagnose. I would take her off the pattern immediately so she doesn't get hurt worse or hurt you. |
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Help!!, 1st barrel problems