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Location: SE Oklahoma | I just acquired a 3 year old grey gelding. He's not registered however his parents are. All the paper work has been done, they just never sent it in. (such a shame) he's a cutie for sure, but can't decide if its a good decision to drop the $300+ to have him papered. It irritates me he's not registered already but oh well. Here's his sires pedigree : http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/gold+wine+cowboy Dams pedigree: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/pll+streakin+echo IF he was registered this is what his pedigree would look like : http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/golden+echo8 My plans are to break him and if I like him, and we click I'll keep him and see if he can run some barrels, if not I'm going to put 30-60 days on him and sell him. I've worked him 3 days now and he's saddled and doing very well. He seems to be pretty intellegent and willing to please. Quick learner. Tell me what you think of his pedigree, and if its worth anything. lol Thanks!
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Fire Ant Peddler
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  Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | probrably not but he sure is handsome..I dont think it will make a differance being a gelding as to how much he would bring if you sell him..i could be wrong though.. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | I wouldn't. If he has the heart to run it won't matter what his papers say. |
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| I am going to be odd man out and say if he were mine...I would. Simply because as the horse ages it will at least tell his story. If he changes hands tons of times at least at some point the owners will know his age and he could possibly be tracked.
If you gave a lot for him maybe not, but if you didn't I would. I know you can't ride papers, but I normally don't personally buy anything grade. Simply because I am not 100% sure what I am getting unless I have a vet look at their teeth (as far as age goes). I think it would help your resale value a bit if you do sell him as papered instead of grade. |
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| Maybe. I like his dam's sire and grand sire. |
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Location: SE Oklahoma | Soooo I just looked at dates and it would cost $400 to register him, plus I'm not a current member and I'd have to pay for membership. That's almost what I paid for him, haha. I have copies of both sire and dams papers, plus filled out registration paper with birth dates on it. So if he is awesome in the barrel pen I'll pay for his registration with his earnings. haha. |
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| I am currently in the same situation. I am going to register mine simply because I have learned over the years that registered horses have a better chance at ending up in a decent home down the road. I know most people wont even bother with an unregistered horse. |
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Location: SE Oklahoma | And I think I'm going to call him "Echo" think that fits? :) |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | If you like him get him papered, he's a cutie  |
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 You get what you give
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Location: Texas | IMO I would pay for it and register him. You never know when you may sell him and even if he doesn't have amazing bloodlines, it still opens the door for him to run at AQHA events. You never know, he may be a superstar and you would want to try and qualify him for world… or sell him to a youth family who wants to qualify for youth world. |
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| Fastpossumblond - 2014-06-01 11:15 PM
I am currently in the same situation. I am going to register mine simply because I have learned over the years that registered horses have a better chance at ending up in a decent home down the road. I know most people wont even bother with an unregistered horse.
Agreed. I would always register them if at all possible. Even if you care nothing about the papers, it will add to his value and ensure he gets the best home(s) on down the road. |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | If he were mine I would get him Register, I like the fella  |
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Location: Ohio | I agree, register him. You are still only going to have about 800 in him. If you decide to sell, you will recoup the registration fee in what you can get for a registered vs. grade horse. I am of the mindset that even if they don't have a stellar pedigree, a set of papers at least tells something about them vs. the word of mouth you get with a grade horse. And let's face it, how many of us were so thrilled to get our first registered horse? It didn't really matter what the papers said, we were just thrilled to have them.
Good luck with him! He's cute, even if he doesn't work for you he will make someone a nice horse. |
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 Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I, personally, would register him.
I love Coup de Kas horses, especially on the dam side. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | I would register.
If you ever have to sell him, it would help your resale value quite a bit (assuming he's not proven in the barrel pen at the time) |
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Location: Oklahoma |
Id register... |
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Location: Kentucky | magic gunsmoke - 2014-06-01 11:18 PM I am going to be odd man out and say if he were mine...I would. Simply because as the horse ages it will at least tell his story. If he changes hands tons of times at least at some point the owners will know his age and he could possibly be tracked.
If you gave a lot for him maybe not, but if you didn't I would. I know you can't ride papers, but I normally don't personally buy anything grade. Simply because I am not 100% sure what I am getting unless I have a vet look at their teeth (as far as age goes). I think it would help your resale value a bit if you do sell him as papered instead of grade.
I agree. |
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Location: In a happy place | I would register him. I know and like the bottom side. |
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Location: Kansas | Grade gelding don't sell worth a darn, personally if it were me....regardless of how he is bred....I'd bite the bullet and pay for the registration. First off, you need to contact AQHA and apply for a membership first, it will be cheaper that way instead of having to pay the fee during the paperwork |
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Location: Desert Land | I would register him. I think it will only make hsi value increase even if he isn't name brand bred. |
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Location: Texas | If you ever sell him, you'll have more potential buyers with a registered horse than you will grade. Plus, on average, registered horses bring more than grade. It will be worth it in the long run to register him. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | If he turns into anything, it would be better to have him registered. Easier to track/look up on equistat or with AQHA. |
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Mrs. Txdad
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Location: the fantasy txdad married | I'd send in the paperwork now. Even if you don't have all the money, send the paperwork and some of the money. AQHA will take payments and send the papers to you after it's paid in full. |
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Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | 1left2right - 2014-06-02 10:31 AM I'd send in the paperwork now. Even if you don't have all the money, send the paperwork and some of the money. AQHA will take payments and send the papers to you after it's paid in full.
Did not know that.....good info. :) |
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Location: Deep South | I agree that I'd register him. It's not that he's going to be SO much more valuable as a gelding with less than desirable papers. It's that at the same price people are going to go with the papered gelding over the non-papered one, even if they don't recognize anything on his papers. Therefore, making him easier to sell, not just with you but for the rest of his life. |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | I would register him! |
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Extreme Veteran
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| Register! I think they have much more selling appeal if they are registered. For me personally there are certain bloodlines I do not like and try to avoid when purchasing. So a horse that is grade turns me off sometimes. I like this guy and his breeding:) |
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Location: Canada | Personally I'd register him. It guarantees his age to future potential buyers. They have history on his bloodlines even if it's not the hottest in the industry there are people who like certain lines and you never know who may be shopping if you decide to sell. If he turns out to be a smoking barrel horse you will want to have him registered.
For me it's more a pet peeve - I am really annoyed by ads that say "Purebred Quarter Horse (Mare, Gelding, Stallion) have paperwork but never registered." To me it sounds like the horse never amounted to anything or showed potential for anything.
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The Advice Guru
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| SheWolfe - 2014-06-01 11:14 PM
Soooo I just looked at dates and it would cost $400 to register him, plus I'm not a current member and I'd have to pay for membership. That's almost what I paid for him, haha. I have copies of both sire and dams papers, plus filled out registration paper with birth dates on it. So if he is awesome in the barrel pen I'll pay for his registration with his earnings. haha.
Make sure the parents have DNA type on file, as the horse will need to be parantage verified I believe after 3.
If you wait, there will be more costs his parantage verification, the parents DNA typed if not on file.
If any of the parents are dead and have not been typed, the horse cannot be typed.
I looked at a judge cash mare, people said paperwork was in order, but dam had died was never typed so the mare could not be registered, such a shame.
I would bite the bullet and do it now, I won't even look at a horse who is over the age of three that has not been registered even if it says paper work is in order too many people have no clue if they have the adequate paperwork to register. |
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Location: British Columbia | As a buyer, I want papers. I won't buy grade, although I'm sure there are nice grade horses out there, I like to see what I'm getting on paper. |
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You get what you give
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Location: Texas | We don't buy grade either. We have in the past and had some really good kid horses out of it, but I will say when we outgrew those horses… the registered ones we had sold for more than the grade ones. In fact, we have a grade mare now on free lease with a friend that we couldn't sell… |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I would register. If nothing else it keeps the age correct and I personally would pay $450 any day for a gelding I was interested in that had papers vs one that did not. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | LRQHS - 2014-06-02 10:39 AM 1left2right - 2014-06-02 10:31 AM I'd send in the paperwork now. Even if you don't have all the money, send the paperwork and some of the money. AQHA will take payments and send the papers to you after it's paid in full. Did not know that.....good info. :)
Hmmmmmm.........as screwed up as the AQHA has been lately I wouldn't chance that option......they might not be able to keep track of the payments, may lose the papers, etc, etc |
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| Only way I'd buy a grade horse is if I had seen it work in my area myself, or someone I knew well had seen it work. Without papers, there's no way to know that the "grandson of Freckles Playboy" is just that. Or that he's even QH, etc. so I normally don't even consider a grade horse. |
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Mrs. Txdad
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Location: the fantasy txdad married | NJJ - 2014-06-02 4:53 PM LRQHS - 2014-06-02 10:39 AM 1left2right - 2014-06-02 10:31 AM I'd send in the paperwork now. Even if you don't have all the money, send the paperwork and some of the money. AQHA will take payments and send the papers to you after it's paid in full. Did not know that.....good info. :)
Maybe, I don't know. I know I was $6.00 short once on a transfer and a few copies of pedigrees or something. They kept my papers for 2 years. I didn't really care as I wasn't selling and when you went to the website the horse was in my name. When I did sell, I gave the people a transfer and $6.00. They sent it in and the papers came back to them.
That was about 8 years ago.
Now, I always walk in since I live so close. And one time when I was there I was talking to the rep about someone who didn't have the money to register an older horse and she told me they would take payments.
All you have to do is keep copies of what you have sent if you're afraid they would lose track. |
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| We just bought a grade 5yo cutting bred mare. We dont care about the papers, we buy horses for their barrel potential and not financial gain but would like to have them if she ends up being broodmare sound only at some point. |
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 Not Afraid to Work
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| I think its really an injustice to the horse if you dont register them. I personally would buy a grade horse but many will not. You never know their back story, at least with papers you know how old the horse is and can know a bit about his potential. JMO |
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Think he's worth registering?
