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| I have a horse that would benefit greatly from being tied on a patience poll for a couple of weeks. My problem is that I work from 9-3 and the rest of my family works as well, so no one would be home to check on her to make sure things are okay. I live in a hotter state and now that it's the first of June I'm a little worried about the heat too. Should I just go for it and give her a couple buckets of water and hope all goes well or should I just forget about it?
any other tips or advice would be greatly appreciated!
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Just tie her while you're at home an hour or so at a time. There's a lot of day light left in the afternoons. Do not leave her tied to a tree while you aren't there. |
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| personally... and this is just my opinion... I would start by tying her up at 3 when you get home and keep and eye on her till dark (8/9/10? ish) Just incase she gets down or does something really stupid. Just forget about her for a couple of hours and go about your business. Let her kick, paw, scream, pull back.. do whatever. she will get tired in 6 hours. Then I would do it again every afternoon when you get home for a week, and if she needs more then keep doing it.
again.. JMHO and what I would do to one of mine. I would not leave them with no one around and not glancing at her every hour or so. |
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| tie yourself an old inner tube from a tire to the pole first and then her to the tube. This way if she pulls back there's less chance of her breaking something and there is give that will help keep her from hurting herself.
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| that is a great point about there being plenty of daylight left to tie her up after I get home. Most people that I have talked to have told me that horses need to be tied up pretty much from dusk til dawn in order for them to "get it" |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | gosweetfancy - 2014-06-02 12:41 PM that is a great point about there being plenty of daylight left to tie her up after I get home. Most people that I have talked to have told me that horses need to be tied up pretty much from dusk til dawn in order for them to "get it"
I don't know about that. I think it depends on the horse. I have my sister's paint colt right now that would do almost anything to keep off of the "patience tree" lol.....he's like, "ohhhhhhh, you want me to tap dance......well, why didn't you say so.......no need for that pesky tree!" |
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| Some do some don't. It's worth starting off with the hours you have available and seeing how far you get. |
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| Use the hours you have available :) then go from there. I wouldn't leave them tied while no one was around.
I LOVE tieing them up and walking away. They figure their lives out pretty fast and I like the patience it creates. |
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Location: Phoenix | Tying after work should be fine. Tying from 3-8 gives you a good 5 hours. |
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Location: Dubach, LA | That inner tube trick doesn't work with mare beasts that can break anything. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | CanCan - 2014-06-02 3:15 PM That inner tube trick doesn't work with mare beasts that can break anything.
It can get ugly if they get a leg caught in it too. Everything can be dangerous in the right situation, but man, I don't like the inner tube..... |
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Location: Florida.. | Are you joking about leaving it tied all day in the heat while you work? 
anything over a hour is useless in youngsters IMHO which I am the odd ball out with that conclusion. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | TurnLane - 2014-06-02 3:28 PM We are both the oddballs- SRS explains it much better than I can.
Can I get points for saying "an hour or so" and "not to leave her tied while you aren't home?" |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | LRQHS - 2014-06-02 3:29 PM TurnLane - 2014-06-02 3:28 PM We are both the oddballs- SRS explains it much better than I can.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | TurnLane - 2014-06-02 3:31 PM LRQHS - 2014-06-02 3:29 PM TurnLane - 2014-06-02 3:28 PM We are both the oddballs- SRS explains it much better than I can.
Thanks :)
She, also, didn't say how old the horse is.....not that it matters too much......but........it might not be a youngster....again, not that it matters....just saying. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | gosweetfancy - 2014-06-02 12:41 PM that is a great point about there being plenty of daylight left to tie her up after I get home. Most people that I have talked to have told me that horses need to be tied up pretty much from dusk til dawn in order for them to "get it"
Not true. Baby steps. Tie after work, DO NOT tie them and leave them when you aren't going to be home. |
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| LRQHS - 2014-06-02 3:22 PM
CanCan - 2014-06-02 3:15 PM That inner tube trick doesn't work with mare beasts that can break anything.
It can get ugly if they get a leg caught in it too. Everything can be dangerous in the right situation, but man, I don't like the inner tube.....
you cut the tube so you can tie it to the post and then you tie the rope to it or you wrap it around the post so that the two ends of the tube are touching and then run one into the other and tie off to that. You don't leave it in circle big enough for them to get their legs in. plus it needs to be tied high so they can't get their legs over the top of it or the rope. The reason we use inner tubes is because the rubber is a little stronger and doesn't break as easy.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | FlyingJT - 2014-06-02 3:43 PM LRQHS - 2014-06-02 3:22 PM CanCan - 2014-06-02 3:15 PM That inner tube trick doesn't work with mare beasts that can break anything. It can get ugly if they get a leg caught in it too. Everything can be dangerous in the right situation, but man, I don't like the inner tube..... you cut the tube so you can tie it to the post and then you tie the rope to it. You don't leave it in a circle for them to get their legs in. plus it needs to be tied high so they can't get their legs over the top of it or the rope. The reason we use inner tubes is because the rubber is a little stronger and doesn't break as easy.
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| LRQHS - 2014-06-02 3:50 PM
FlyingJT - 2014-06-02 3:43 PM LRQHS - 2014-06-02 3:22 PM CanCan - 2014-06-02 3:15 PM That inner tube trick doesn't work with mare beasts that can break anything. It can get ugly if they get a leg caught in it too. Everything can be dangerous in the right situation, but man, I don't like the inner tube..... you cut the tube so you can tie it to the post and then you tie the rope to it. You don't leave it in a circle for them to get their legs in. plus it needs to be tied high so they can't get their legs over the top of it or the rope. The reason we use inner tubes is because the rubber is a little stronger and doesn't break as easy.
This must be what you are thinking and this is a BIG NO NO! I don't have any pictures of ours, ill have to take some..
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | FlyingJT - 2014-06-02 3:55 PM LRQHS - 2014-06-02 3:50 PM FlyingJT - 2014-06-02 3:43 PM LRQHS - 2014-06-02 3:22 PM CanCan - 2014-06-02 3:15 PM That inner tube trick doesn't work with mare beasts that can break anything. It can get ugly if they get a leg caught in it too. Everything can be dangerous in the right situation, but man, I don't like the inner tube..... you cut the tube so you can tie it to the post and then you tie the rope to it. You don't leave it in a circle for them to get their legs in. plus it needs to be tied high so they can't get their legs over the top of it or the rope. The reason we use inner tubes is because the rubber is a little stronger and doesn't break as easy. This must be what you are thinking and this is a BIG NO NO! I don't have any pictures of ours, ill have to take some..
That be really scary!!
I'd appreciate pics if you get a chance. I'd like to see what you mean. |
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| the purpose of the inner tube is to act like a shock absorber. it makes halter and leads last a lot longer. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | FlyingJT - 2014-06-02 3:58 PM the purpose of the inner tube is to act like a shock absorber. it makes halter and leads last a lot longer.
I get that part. I think the inner tube can be dangerous, especially in the wrong hands. I'm not a trainer and I'm sure a lot would disagree with my methods. I guess the right thing to say is that I'm not comfortable using one. I use bungee cords and a closed divider on a trailer with the same shock absorbing idea. I don't go far though. I stay where I can see or hear them and definitely don't leave them for hours. I use the tree after the trailer and they really don't pull. I, also, send the horses I'm not comfortable with to a real trainer lol.
I wish the OP would come back so we could discuss. I think wanting to put buckets of water by a tree could be a bad idea.....and, tying to a tree for weeks......in the summer.......at that point a lead rope, inner tube or age of the horse probably doesn't matter lol. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Where do you live OP? Are you around me? |
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yeah, it didn't make much sense to me and I'm not a fan of it and that is why I was simply asking! This mare is 8 and is a nightmare to haul. I have talked to several cutting trainers around here and they all have told me that she needs to be tied up all day. When I asked each of them about just a few hours a day, I was told many times that that wouldn't work and it needed to be all day.
thank you for the suggestions, I'll continue with just a couple hours in the evening and go from there. |
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| I agree on needing more info. Maybe she means tying him each day over a few weeks? hopefully????
I don't think water should be offered until she is untied. That would just give her something to play with if she gets bored..
Regardless to which method you use.. a horse will get hurt if they want to. I could bubble wrap one of mine and he would still figure out a way to get hurt. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | gosweetfancy - 2014-06-02 4:20 PM yeah, it didn't make much sense to me and I'm not a fan of it and that is why I was simply asking! This mare is 8 and is a nightmare to haul. I have talked to several cutting trainers around here and they all have told me that she needs to be tied up all day. When I asked each of them about just a few hours a day, I was told many times that that wouldn't work and it needed to be all day. thank you for the suggestions, I'll continue with just a couple hours in the evening and go from there.
What do you mean, when you say "a nightmare to haul?" Is she not standing tied at the trailer or other issues? Don't go away lol. Someone knows what to do here..... |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | TNcowgirl88 - 2014-06-02 4:23 PM I agree on needing more info. Maybe she means tying him each day over a few weeks? hopefully???? I don't think water should be offered until she is untied. That would just give her something to play with if she gets bored.. Regardless to which method you use.. a horse will get hurt if they want to. I could bubble wrap one of mine and he would still figure out a way to get hurt.
That is the truest statement I've ever read on BHW lol. |
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| LRQHS - 2014-06-02 4:12 PM FlyingJT - 2014-06-02 3:58 PM the purpose of the inner tube is to act like a shock absorber. it makes halter and leads last a lot longer. I get that part. I think the inner tube can be dangerous, especially in the wrong hands. I'm not a trainer and I'm sure a lot would disagree with my methods. I guess the right thing to say is that I'm not comfortable using one. I use bungee cords and a closed divider on a trailer with the same shock absorbing idea. I don't go far though. I stay where I can see or hear them and definitely don't leave them for hours. I use the tree after the trailer and they really don't pull. I, also, send the horses I'm not comfortable with to a real trainer lol.
I wish the OP would come back so we could discuss. I think wanting to put buckets of water by a tree could be a bad idea.....and, tying to a tree for weeks......in the summer.......at that point a lead rope, inner tube or age of the horse probably doesn't matter lol.
I agree with you! If the OP isn't able to be there to keep an eye on the horse she's gotta just work with what she's got, if thats a few hours a night then thats better than nothing. I'll try a remember to take pictures |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | FlyingJT - 2014-06-02 4:29 PM LRQHS - 2014-06-02 4:12 PM FlyingJT - 2014-06-02 3:58 PM the purpose of the inner tube is to act like a shock absorber. it makes halter and leads last a lot longer. I get that part. I think the inner tube can be dangerous, especially in the wrong hands. I'm not a trainer and I'm sure a lot would disagree with my methods. I guess the right thing to say is that I'm not comfortable using one. I use bungee cords and a closed divider on a trailer with the same shock absorbing idea. I don't go far though. I stay where I can see or hear them and definitely don't leave them for hours. I use the tree after the trailer and they really don't pull. I, also, send the horses I'm not comfortable with to a real trainer lol.
I wish the OP would come back so we could discuss. I think wanting to put buckets of water by a tree could be a bad idea.....and, tying to a tree for weeks......in the summer.......at that point a lead rope, inner tube or age of the horse probably doesn't matter lol. I agree with you! If the OP isn't able to be there to keep an eye on the horse she's gotta just work with what she's got, if thats a few hours a night then thats better than nothing. I'll try a remember to take pictures
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| TNcowgirl88 - 2014-06-02 3:23 PM
I agree on needing more info. Maybe she means tying him each day over a few weeks? hopefully????
I don't think water should be offered until she is untied. That would just give her something to play with if she gets bored..
Regardless to which method you use.. a horse will get hurt if they want to. I could bubble wrap one of mine and he would still figure out a way to get hurt.
I guess I should give you all some back story on her. I'll try to give the condensed version.
Bought her off the track end of her 3yr old year. beautiful mare, great conformation, fantastic bloodlines, and the best disposition you could ask for. I started working on softening her up, then decided to send her to a reputable trainer. She was there for 2 months and when I got her back, she was mentally not the same horse. Rearing and striking and trying to run you over - flat out dangerous, I think it was her goal to kill you. I tried working with her for many many months, finally deciding to just give her a break. 6 months later, brought her back and was able to start riding her in our arena. I rode her like a greenbroke 2 yr old, not pushing her at all. She is extremely smart and learned quickly. So over the past 3-4 years we have slowly started working the pattern. I have tried hauling her to jackpots just to see the sounds, noises, etc. She won't stand, constantly running back & forth no matter how short the lead is, she will swing her butt and kick with both hind legs at me, at my other horses, at my trailer, etc.
I am very excited about her and she is very talented, I have had a lot of people tell me that she is going to go far, I just need to get her safe to travel with. When she is tied to the trailer or in the barn at home, she is a perfect, she stands like an old rope horse. So I know part of the problem is getting her comfortable with being away from other horses. And that is why I thought tying her to a patience poll away from the barn might help. Like I said I have talked to several trainers in the area and everyone of them told me she needs to be tied up to it all day every day for a couple of weeks. I don't like the idea, but I'm getting to the desperate point with this mare. I didn't think it would be safe to leave her out there with no one checking on her every once in awhile, but I know many people have used this method.
Whatever that trainer did to her, made her mentally fragile and I regret sending her there everyday since I have had her back. If anyone has suggestions, I would love to hear them. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I don't have suggestions on a double barrel kicking mare. I couldn't tolerate that even if she was Corona Cartel. I'm not sure that you'll get that out of her. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Honestly, if she is standing tied nicely at home and the issue is only when you haul, then you will have to fix it away from home. Been there, done that, lol. All I can say is eat your Wheaties and pack a lunch, it can be done but it really sucks.
If she is better with a buddy horse than I have a few suggestions. There are also pharmaceutical options if you are not opposed to those, they can really help her get started on the right path to undoing some of the damage. We have had lots of "damaged" goods given to us, 95% of them are fixable if you have the time and are willing to think outside of the box. Sounds like she is already on the right path. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Put cross hobbles on that mare when she is in public. I really like tying them to the pole however I will be in ear/eye shot and can get to them within a minute or two. When I used to break colts we had every kind of wreak you can imagine. You have to be ready with your knife and ready to stay right there with one that needs comforting.
The heat can be cruel so can no hay on their stomach so make sure that your not starting another issue up when you start your pole work.
We would feed at 5am and tie the yearlings after they watered. As we would start the day a riding horse would replace the yearlings on the tie outs. The traffic of the older horses and the hands going by would work wonders on the claustrophobic babies. The worst were tied away from the heavy traffic and moved forward in the spring as we noticed them getting better. Anything that kicked would get an %^& chewing just like their momma would give or the herd alpha mare. Its not tolerated.
BTW I have a witch in my pens right now. She sure made a turn around when I bred her. The filly at her side is as head strong as her momma and we've allready gone around the mulberry bush. The mare was flat out one of the best athletes I've ever ridden. She was injured at a futurity and I kept going on and on when she should have been turned out. She was sour and was telling us S-t-o-p but I was hard headed, make sure that your doing right by the horse. And, that if that horse is capable of hurting someone that you will not allow it to be in a position to do so.
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Location: Abbotsford B.C. Canada | I would ask a trainer you trust if a pole sunk deep and cemented in but with a can shaped top that can rotate around would be suitable for the horse. Then just tie her up over night like I hav eseen at the back country hotrse men deals. The horse can have th elad shank going up to the top of the 8 foot pole and the top is metal and rotates arpound the end of the pipe. She cannot get a foot caught , and if she slips and falls you could still have an inner tube as part of the connection so it could stretch. Yes she can get restless and run around but I think she would soon get tired of going in circles. If you did this at night she may get away from the heat and you are around so if disaster strikes you can be there maybe just with a web cam like watching for a mer to foal. Wake every 3 hour- 4 hours and check on her . Tie her up at night . I used these rigs at a horse trail head and was impressed with how safe they are. Tying to a tree would be a wreck as they just get would around it then fall and crank their neck or worse.
I bet a welder could do you one for cheap . It is all steel and she cannot break . it the ring is on top the can shaped steel cup that faces open end down over the top end and a rig keeps the can from coming off a central pin it rotatesa round. THe can is heavy steel not a tin can. It loks like an inverted can over the end of the pole.
So it is cooler at night, you can be there, the horse cannot get caught and yet cannot go anywhere except around the pole. The can rotates so no pressure on neck and maybe put water out but less critical at cooler night tie up. Tie her up all night like high lining a horse but the horse goes around in circles if it must move.
Just athought maybe some one has done this already.
Otherwise I agree tying up with no onera round hot day, long shank a horse can mess with not a great idea.
Not being critical but having a mare who had her ovaraies out with a perfectly good looking ovary having an internal cyst that was secreting testossterone according to biopsy tells me you may want to look at a hormonal panel or talk to vet about regumate or some other issues. I had the mare from hell until I found out the poor horse could not help herself . I tried to ride her down others tried force and nothing worked until I took out her ovaries. By the way that is not the total answer as horses can still secrete a lot of estrogen from their adrenal glands which I just learned from the research but she is a lot less difficult now and getting to be fun to trail ride. No more big battles.
Good luck,
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