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| I have a frenchmans guy mare I've been training and she is just a pill. I've tried everything with her what are your experiences with them and how do you train them? She's not very bendy and very hard mouthed she's getting better since I first got her but she's so moody when I'm fixing and tuning on her it's her way or no way. Also would like to add her teeth have been done and she has no chiro issues she's just a moody mare. |
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| I have one also. She is a moody gal for sure. Stubborn, not very soft mouthed. Jumpy. Super smart though. I would say she is a bit hard mouthed as well.
Sometimes when I saddle her and tighten the cinch she jumps, then when I go to lead her off to walk a few steps she breaks in two and bucks like a bronc. Then I tighten her back up, get on her and she is fine except for some jumpiness.
Just had her teeth done and it did not seem to help much. She seems worst in the spring- have been wondering if its hormonal related. She is a grand-daughter of Frenchman's Guy and Doc Bar on the bottom. Maybe this is the way they are. I wish I could get something else some days....  |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | If the moodiness is more related to them being mares, raspberry leaves or regumate may help. |
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| I have two of them and they are both bred different. BUT they were both hellions  . I not talking like alittle buck here or there. they were both broncs, runaways, and took forever to teach. But what i have found with both of them is that you need to praise them for the smallest things. Even if it was just finally getting the correct lead. With my gelding it was treats when he did something correct i gave him a treat. Also with both of them they needed time to process something so when they would work on something i wouldn't push it i would just walk away. They both would come back stronger on it after they could sit for a night or two and just kinda absorb it. |
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Location: Here | Have her reproductive system checked including ovaries. Then discuss with your vet regimate |
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| Mine is the opposite. I have a daughter and she is so sensitive it almost drives me bonkers. I love her to death but I have to really think about what I am doing when I ask her to do something. All I have to do is think about putting my calf on her side and she moves off. My boyfriend has a FG grandson and he is the same way. Both are really athletic and talented.
I did have a granddaughter that was very dull, dead sided, etc - I got rid of her. You can put 100 FGs together in an arena and they're not all going to be alike.
P.s none of mine (or my boyfriends) have been buckers. My daughter can buck like crazy on a lunge line, but has never offered when I am on her back.
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Itchy Boobs
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| shopnpro - 2014-06-04 11:42 PM
I have one also. She is a moody gal for sure. Stubborn, not very soft mouthed. Jumpy. Super smart though. I would say she is a bit hard mouthed as well.
Sometimes when I saddle her and tighten the cinch she jumps, then when I go to lead her off to walk a few steps she breaks in two and bucks like a bronc. Then I tighten her back up, get on her and she is fine except for some jumpiness.
Just had her teeth done and it did not seem to help much. She seems worst in the spring- have been wondering if its hormonal related. She is a grand-daughter of Frenchman's Guy and Doc Bar on the bottom. Maybe this is the way they are. I wish I could get something else some days....
I think me and you are dealing with the same horse lol that is exactly how mind is she's cow bred on the bottomn too. Some days she does everything right that I corrected and some days she forgets it all and is a complete brat. |
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Location: Here | shopnpro - 2014-06-04 10:42 AM I have one also. She is a moody gal for sure. Stubborn, not very soft mouthed. Jumpy. Super smart though. I would say she is a bit hard mouthed as well. Sometimes when I saddle her and tighten the cinch she jumps, then when I go to lead her off to walk a few steps she breaks in two and bucks like a bronc. Then I tighten her back up, get on her and she is fine except for some jumpiness. Just had her teeth done and it did not seem to help much. She seems worst in the spring- have been wondering if its hormonal related. She is a grand-daughter of Frenchman's Guy and Doc Bar on the bottom. Maybe this is the way they are. I wish I could get something else some days....
I think Don't think you can blame Fg on this totally doc bars can be like that as well |
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| rodeochick123 - 2014-06-04 12:24 PM shopnpro - 2014-06-04 11:42 PM I have one also. She is a moody gal for sure. Stubborn, not very soft mouthed. Jumpy. Super smart though. I would say she is a bit hard mouthed as well. Sometimes when I saddle her and tighten the cinch she jumps, then when I go to lead her off to walk a few steps she breaks in two and bucks like a bronc. Then I tighten her back up, get on her and she is fine except for some jumpiness. Just had her teeth done and it did not seem to help much. She seems worst in the spring- have been wondering if its hormonal related. She is a grand-daughter of Frenchman's Guy and Doc Bar on the bottom. Maybe this is the way they are. I wish I could get something else some days.... I think me and you are dealing with the same horse lol that is exactly how mind is she's cow bred on the bottomn too. Some days she does everything right that I corrected and some days she forgets it all and is a complete brat.
Those sound like a cow bred, not a frenchmans guy. |
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Location: Texas | which son of Frenchmans Guy is her dad? You can PM me so you don't start a public deal on them..
I haven't had the pleasure of owning any direct sons or daughters, but I want one for sure.
I had one granddaughter of FG out of a very nice mare who has had other successful barrel horse babies. Mine was blown up. I don't know how she got that way… I consider her just a bad apple. She definitely has not turned me off of the bloodline.
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Location: In a happy place | Whiteboy - 2014-06-04 1:08 PM rodeochick123 - 2014-06-04 12:24 PM shopnpro - 2014-06-04 11:42 PM I have one also. She is a moody gal for sure. Stubborn, not very soft mouthed. Jumpy. Super smart though. I would say she is a bit hard mouthed as well. Sometimes when I saddle her and tighten the cinch she jumps, then when I go to lead her off to walk a few steps she breaks in two and bucks like a bronc. Then I tighten her back up, get on her and she is fine except for some jumpiness. Just had her teeth done and it did not seem to help much. She seems worst in the spring- have been wondering if its hormonal related. She is a grand-daughter of Frenchman's Guy and Doc Bar on the bottom. Maybe this is the way they are. I wish I could get something else some days.... I think me and you are dealing with the same horse lol that is exactly how mind is she's cow bred on the bottomn too. Some days she does everything right that I corrected and some days she forgets it all and is a complete brat.
I totally agree. Some of those cow breds can be scary wild. I have the tshirt. |
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Location: Texas | sorrel horse ranch - 2014-06-04 1:32 PM
Whiteboy - 2014-06-04 1:08 PM rodeochick123 - 2014-06-04 12:24 PM shopnpro - 2014-06-04 11:42 PM I have one also. She is a moody gal for sure. Stubborn, not very soft mouthed. Jumpy. Super smart though. I would say she is a bit hard mouthed as well. Sometimes when I saddle her and tighten the cinch she jumps, then when I go to lead her off to walk a few steps she breaks in two and bucks like a bronc. Then I tighten her back up, get on her and she is fine except for some jumpiness. Just had her teeth done and it did not seem to help much. She seems worst in the spring- have been wondering if its hormonal related. She is a grand-daughter of Frenchman's Guy and Doc Bar on the bottom. Maybe this is the way they are. I wish I could get something else some days.... I think me and you are dealing with the same horse lol that is exactly how mind is she's cow bred on the bottomn too. Some days she does everything right that I corrected and some days she forgets it all and is a complete brat.
AGREE! LOL. so many people think the OTT horses or running bred horses are innately hot. I have found the exact opposite. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | I have one that's 3yrs old. He's FG and out of a Martha Six Moons mare. He been a bit difficult as well. He's spooky and not light mouthed. I wouldn't say he's hard mouthed but def not light. And he's stubborn. He can get a pretty bad attitude too. He also gets VERY hot at a show. A lot of people wonder why u don't sell him but the reason I like him is because I get board doing the same thing over and over everyday. With him no 2 days are the same. Today he may be great tomorrow may act like a 2yr old.
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| I totally don't blame it on FG. I think I remember friends that had Doc Bar horses and they were flighty as heck. She keeps me on my toes that's for sure. I really don't blame it on any one thing, horses are like people I have learned over the years. Different personalities no matter what. Sometimes its a nurture versus nature thing- most of the time in my opinion. I don't know her complete history from before I bought her. I also know that due to some unforeseen circumstances since I have owned her- I have been unable to work her like she should be worked, lots of time with no riding etc. She most likely has "come untrained" on me LOL! So its mostly my fault. But dang she sure lopes a perfect barrel pattern - if I can just get her to add speed without falling apart or bucking me into next county!  |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | It's like any horse. There are always two sides to the pedigree and if you have a grand of FG there's 75% something else in the pedigree. I have had 2 daughters that I bred and raised. They were both really awesome minded horses. They didn't get hot and had a lot of sense/talent. Neither were buckers, insensitive in the mouth or in any way not nice horses. Pretty headed, straight legged, big hipped, EXCELLENT horses. I still have one and will never sell her. I'm trying now to get a "keeper" daughter from an outside stallion so I can keep her genetics in my broodmare herd.
The grandkids I'm getting can take a little bit to make friends or they can be in your pocket from birth. It just depends on what day they were born (kidding just a little here). Overall, I like the FG bred horses very much. They are always a positive influence on anything crossed with them. Beautiful and sensible.  |
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Location: Oklahoma | SG. - 2014-06-04 1:02 PM
shopnpro - 2014-06-04 10:42 AM I have one also. She is a moody gal for sure. Stubborn, not very soft mouthed. Jumpy. Super smart though. I would say she is a bit hard mouthed as well. Sometimes when I saddle her and tighten the cinch she jumps, then when I go to lead her off to walk a few steps she breaks in two and bucks like a bronc. Then I tighten her back up, get on her and she is fine except for some jumpiness. Just had her teeth done and it did not seem to help much. She seems worst in the spring- have been wondering if its hormonal related. She is a grand-daughter of Frenchman's Guy and Doc Bar on the bottom. Maybe this is the way they are. I wish I could get something else some days....
Sun Frost is Doc Bar bred, so Frenchman's Guy is also Doc Bar. |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | I have a 3 week old FG grandson. Has been in your pocket since day one, but has a bit of a wild/stubborn streak to him. He's a bit of barbie doll too, which he does not get from the mare at all.. we always refered to her as a mare who thinks she's a gelding ha.
I like to see those little quirks tho (even at this age) because the quirky ones are usually the most talented! |
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| Which would make a grandson of fg only have 6.25% Doc Bar |
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Location: Kentucky | I would disregard the bloodlines, and take her to the vet to see if the moodiness is related to an ovary/hormonal problem. |
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| I have two own daughters and 2 granddaughters as well as just sold a Frenchman's Fab mare last fall. I love them my 4yo is my once in a lifetime horse. All mine are people friendly, too smart for their own good, crazy athletic, gorgeous and a tad lazy lol. They definitely have a personality all their own and IMO your not going to fight with them or cowboy them because they get pi$$ed. Never had a bucker all are laid back good minded horses. As far as being hard mouthed I wouldn't call mine insensitive but they arent really soft mouthed either. Very nice honest horses though |
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Location: Corsicana,Tx | My mare was very smart,lots of bend but very ratey,I wasnt agressive enough so i sold her.Didnt hit barrels just couldnt get her to run
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Location: Here | dianeguinn - 2014-06-04 2:38 PM SG. - 2014-06-04 1:02 PM shopnpro - 2014-06-04 10:42 AM I have one also. She is a moody gal for sure. Stubborn, not very soft mouthed. Jumpy. Super smart though. I would say she is a bit hard mouthed as well. Sometimes when I saddle her and tighten the cinch she jumps, then when I go to lead her off to walk a few steps she breaks in two and bucks like a bronc. Then I tighten her back up, get on her and she is fine except for some jumpiness. Just had her teeth done and it did not seem to help much. She seems worst in the spring- have been wondering if its hormonal related. She is a grand-daughter of Frenchman's Guy and Doc Bar on the bottom. Maybe this is the way they are. I wish I could get something else some days.... Sun Frost is Doc Bar bred, so Frenchman's Guy is also Doc Bar.
Sunfrost was a grandson making Fg a great grandson |
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Location: North Dakota | I have a mare by him and she is extremely smart but she sure of herself and will try to get away with different things if you let her. She can be a grouch and will buck in the round pen when you warm her up. She is athletic so her attitude can be overlooked due too her performance ability. The more you ride her the better she gets. She is the type of horse that needs to ride 7 days a week! |
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Location: NC | angelica - 2014-06-04 7:39 PM
I have a mare by him and she is extremely smart but she sure of herself and will try to get away with different things if you let her. She can be a grouch and will buck in the round pen when you warm her up. She is athletic so her attitude can be overlooked due too her performance ability. The more you ride her the better she gets. She is the type of horse that needs to ride 7 days a week!
I have a grand daughter who is just like this. Very athletic, but lazy to just ride. When you run her she gets annoyed if you dont let her do her job. She will buck when first starting lope if you try and collect first. she thinks shes a princess. if you ride her everyday your good, but if you give her a few days off shes a grouch |
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Lady Di
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Location: Oklahoma | SG. - 2014-06-04 4:13 PM
dianeguinn - 2014-06-04 2:38 PM SG. - 2014-06-04 1:02 PM shopnpro - 2014-06-04 10:42 AM I have one also. She is a moody gal for sure. Stubborn, not very soft mouthed. Jumpy. Super smart though. I would say she is a bit hard mouthed as well. Sometimes when I saddle her and tighten the cinch she jumps, then when I go to lead her off to walk a few steps she breaks in two and bucks like a bronc. Then I tighten her back up, get on her and she is fine except for some jumpiness. Just had her teeth done and it did not seem to help much. She seems worst in the spring- have been wondering if its hormonal related. She is a grand-daughter of Frenchman's Guy and Doc Bar on the bottom. Maybe this is the way they are. I wish I could get something else some days.... Sun Frost is Doc Bar bred, so Frenchman's Guy is also Doc Bar.
Yes, I know. So??? I was just saying that ascribing those qualities to Doc Bar didn't make any sense, since FG is also Doc Bar bred. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | I'm pretty sure mine is from blood line. Before I bough him I messaged Lance Graves on Facebook(really didn't expect him to answer) and asked him what he though of the pedigree. He answered me and come to find out he rode my babies dam until she got hurt and he said she was the hottest horse that he ever rode. I can lope one circle on Bug and his brain automatically switches to GO. |
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