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Location: British Columbia | I just moved all my horses up to Hinton, and the vet here will not refill my prescription for Anti-inflammatories without diagnosing and treating the horse himself. Is that legal to withhold medication when you have a clear prescription from your vet? My vet even said he'd call and tell them I need more. I have to drive back to Edmonton today now to refill it. I feel like they are trying to screw me and money grab!
ETA- is there anywhere I can order online and have it overnighted?
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Location: Sperry, OK | They legally can't give you a script without a valid client patient relationship.. So not only does this vet not know you, he doesn't know your horses either. So technically he should examin them before giving you a script. Can you have your old vet mail you a refill so you don't have to drive that far? |
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The Advice Guru
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| From what my local vet told me Canada law there is a loop hole where vets can refuse to dispense meds unless they examine the horse/animal. The local vet says most vets use this as a money grab.
I have had do similar things as you getting refills or meds for horses from different vets, two different clinics have called my equine vet and one will take the prescription over the phone, the other will only take a written px by fax.
The other thing you can do if you are giving a human drug is get your vet to call a px into the pharmacy, generally the pharmacy is cheaper then the vet. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | get your vet in edmonton to mail it to you......i refuse to even phone the jackass vets close to me......
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| "Is that legal to withhold medication when you have a clear prescription from your vet? "
^^^ This makes it sound like the OP has a valid prescription from her old vet, and the "new" vet is refusing to fill it for her. OP, if you have a script written and signed by your old vet, go somewhere like SmartPak or ValleyVet and get them to fill it, and screw the new vet for now. |
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| If you have a current prescription you should be able to get whatever you need from Valley Vet etc. I would bet online would cheaper too than a vet. |
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Location: lost in missouri | I would have your old vet fax it to Valley Vet if they have the meds you need or to Doc Lanes Vet RX and just continue to do that instead of messing with a new vet as long as your old vet will continue to be fine with writing your RX monthly. Legally a vet or dr or dentist is not to write a RX without a valid client/dr relationship on file. Even filling a RX they need a relationship on file where they diagnosed and counciled you. |
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Location: PNW | kissmybarrelbutt - 2014-06-10 11:38 AM
If you have a current prescription you should be able to get whatever you need from Valley Vet etc. I would bet online would cheaper too than a vet.
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | kissmybarrelbutt - 2014-06-11 10:38 AM If you have a current prescription you should be able to get whatever you need from Valley Vet etc. I would bet online would cheaper too than a vet.
a lot of meds cant be shipped over the border....
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| My vet wrote a script for Adequan and none of the online pharmacies carry it. A vet 2 states away filled my prescription and all I had to do was take a picture of the prescription and text it to her. Works great. But know knows about laws.. |
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Location: British Columbia | I have the physical prescription with me, they refuse to give me any medication without doing the assessment themselves. Quite frankly, it sounds like a money grab.
My vet spoke to them and said he could fax them another and they said no. I tried to call the manufacturer to order it and they said they can not do that.
I'm already on the road.
ETa- it's only for dexacort.
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Location: British Columbia | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-10 9:19 AM
They legally can't give you a script without a valid client patient relationship.. So not only does this vet not know you, he doesn't know your horses either. So technically he should examin them before giving you a script. Can you have your old vet mail you a refill so you don't have to drive that far?
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The Advice Guru
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| If you are new to the area, I suggest trying to build a relationship with a local vet, I'm guessing there is more then one local vet, in Hinton, Edson, and Whitecourt for these situations. I use one for ultra sounding my mares, one I use for bloodwork iv lines, etc and another I use for teeth, X-rays, and ultra sounding tendons. All of these are within an hour radius of my house. When I get into a bind one of the three local can generally help me out.
Also you could call the Alberta veterinary medical association and file a complaint against the local vet.
As misty has said, I have had meds greyhounded up.
Also call your local pharmacy and see if they can order in the equine meds, as I do recall my aunt was able to do this. Myself I have a dog on imuran my vet calls in the prescription to the pharmacy makes my life much easier.
I just googled dexacort and it looks to be available for humans so my guess the pharmacy would have it in stock
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Location: Sperry, OK | TMEquine - 2014-06-10 12:51 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-10 9:19 AM They legally can't give you a script without a valid client patient relationship.. So not only does this vet not know you, he doesn't know your horses either. So technically he should examin them before giving you a script. Can you have your old vet mail you a refill so you don't have to drive that far? I HAVE a prescription.
ETA: I guess I should clarify.. this is for the US, assuming Canada has similar laws.
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Location: Phoenix | My vet in WA honored the current RX for my horse from a vet in OK...but it wasn't expired. She did want to see my brother's horses though because they didn't have any current prescriptions. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-11 11:56 AM TMEquine - 2014-06-10 12:51 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-10 9:19 AM They legally can't give you a script without a valid client patient relationship.. So not only does this vet not know you, he doesn't know your horses either. So technically he should examin them before giving you a script. Can you have your old vet mail you a refill so you don't have to drive that far? I HAVE a prescription.
ETA: I guess I should clarify.. this is for the US, assuming Canada has similar laws.
mine wouldn't give me refills for horses he had seen........or anything for a vet kit........just plain out a$$hole........im still ticked and i haven't been back to that clinic in 4 years
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Location: Sperry, OK | mruggles - 2014-06-10 2:21 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-11 11:56 AM TMEquine - 2014-06-10 12:51 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-10 9:19 AM They legally can't give you a script without a valid client patient relationship.. So not only does this vet not know you, he doesn't know your horses either. So technically he should examin them before giving you a script. Can you have your old vet mail you a refill so you don't have to drive that far? I HAVE a prescription.
ETA: I guess I should clarify.. this is for the US, assuming Canada has similar laws.
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| Actually, licensed pharmacies/vet clinics can dispense drugs without a Veterinary Client Patient Relationship, they just cannot prescribe medications. The company I work for fills scrip orders from all over the country - we don't have a VCPR with many of our customers but the vets prescribing the medications do. We have a full licensed pharmacy with a pharmacist on staff to fill orders from our vet and others. Now, our vet cannot write scrips for our clients in Oklahoma because he doesn't have a VCPR with them. But we can still dispense the drugs to our OK clients as long as we have a valid prescription from their veterinarian (who is required to have a VCPR).
OP- You should be able to order the meds from any licensed veterinary pharmacy- online or otherwise- if your original vet is willing to continue writing you a scrip and sustain a VCPR. Good luck! |
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| FlyingA - 2014-06-10 3:50 PM
Actually, licensed pharmacies/vet clinics can dispense drugs without a Veterinary Client Patient Relationship, they just cannot prescribe medications. The company I work for fills scrip orders from all over the country - we don't have a VCPR with many of our customers but the vets prescribing the medications do. We have a full licensed pharmacy with a pharmacist on staff to fill orders from our vet and others. Now, our vet cannot write scrips for our clients in Oklahoma because he doesn't have a VCPR with them. But we can still dispense the drugs to our OK clients as long as we have a valid prescription from their veterinarian (who is required to have a VCPR).
OP- You should be able to order the meds from any licensed veterinary pharmacy- online or otherwise- if your original vet is willing to continue writing you a scrip and sustain a VCPR. Good luck!
Not exactly true as in Canada the pharmacy needs to be liscenced with and abide by canadian food and drug laws.
If a canadian ordered a drug from the us, and that specific formula was not liscenced in Canada most of the time the border will seize it, the extreme the canadian border can do is charge the canadian with smuggling drugs. |
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Location: British Columbia | cheryl makofka - 2014-06-10 3:11 PM
FlyingA - 2014-06-10 3:50 PM
Actually, licensed pharmacies/vet clinics can dispense drugs without a Veterinary Client Patient Relationship, they just cannot prescribe medications. The company I work for fills scrip orders from all over the country - we don't have a VCPR with many of our customers but the vets prescribing the medications do. We have a full licensed pharmacy with a pharmacist on staff to fill orders from our vet and others. Now, our vet cannot write scrips for our clients in Oklahoma because he doesn't have a VCPR with them. But we can still dispense the drugs to our OK clients as long as we have a valid prescription from their veterinarian (who is required to have a VCPR).
OP- You should be able to order the meds from any licensed veterinary pharmacy- online or otherwise- if your original vet is willing to continue writing you a scrip and sustain a VCPR. Good luck!
Not exactly true as in Canada the pharmacy needs to be liscenced with and abide by canadian food and drug laws.
If a canadian ordered a drug from the us, and that specific formula was not liscenced in Canada most of the time the border will seize it, the extreme the canadian border can do is charge the canadian with smuggling drugs.
I just spoke with the pharmacist, and she said next time, to bring the prescription to her and she could fill it. |
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| Sorry, my reply was regarding US rules for VCPR. Not sure how VCPR goes in Canada. And yes, some drugs are not allowed to cross borders - not sure on the OP's meds, would have to check with the pharmacist. Regardless of whether it is approved in Canada or not, shipping meds across the border is always a pain because of transit time and layover in customs - it's hard to keep temperature-sensitive items from being affected. If there is a Canadian online pharmacy you could work with that would be best, especially if you wanted it overnighted. I know I sent some product to a client in Canada a couple weeks ago and it sat in Customs for two business days (which ended up being over a weekend) before they released it to UPS to deliver. |
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Location: The end of the Earth, SE AR | If your horse colics, has an accident or gets hurt in some way and you need emergency veterinary treatment, wouldn't you need to call one of the local vets in your new area? If so, I would think it wouldn't hurt to start this new relationship with a vet exam to get your refills so this vet will know who you are when you call with an emergency.
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Location: Sperry, OK | FlyingA - 2014-06-10 3:50 PM Actually, licensed pharmacies/vet clinics can dispense drugs without a Veterinary Client Patient Relationship, they just cannot prescribe medications. The company I work for fills scrip orders from all over the country - we don't have a VCPR with many of our customers but the vets prescribing the medications do. We have a full licensed pharmacy with a pharmacist on staff to fill orders from our vet and others. Now, our vet cannot write scrips for our clients in Oklahoma because he doesn't have a VCPR with them. But we can still dispense the drugs to our OK clients as long as we have a valid prescription from their veterinarian (who is required to have a VCPR). OP- You should be able to order the meds from any licensed veterinary pharmacy- online or otherwise- if your original vet is willing to continue writing you a scrip and sustain a VCPR. Good luck!
A pharmacy can fill prescriptions without a realationship for/on behalf of the vet that issued the prescription, but vets are not supposed to without a relationship. I can not call/go to my vet and get a script for ventipulmin, but them go to a vet down the road that has never seen me or any of my horses to get it filled.. he won't do it without doing his own exam. Pharmacies are different, that is their purpose... vets must have a VCPR to issue prescription drugs (supposed to, but we all know the don't always follow the rules). |
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| TMEquine - 2014-06-10 4:22 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-06-10 3:11 PM
FlyingA - 2014-06-10 3:50 PM
Actually, licensed pharmacies/vet clinics can dispense drugs without a Veterinary Client Patient Relationship, they just cannot prescribe medications. The company I work for fills scrip orders from all over the country - we don't have a VCPR with many of our customers but the vets prescribing the medications do. We have a full licensed pharmacy with a pharmacist on staff to fill orders from our vet and others. Now, our vet cannot write scrips for our clients in Oklahoma because he doesn't have a VCPR with them. But we can still dispense the drugs to our OK clients as long as we have a valid prescription from their veterinarian (who is required to have a VCPR).
OP- You should be able to order the meds from any licensed veterinary pharmacy- online or otherwise- if your original vet is willing to continue writing you a scrip and sustain a VCPR. Good luck!
Not exactly true as in Canada the pharmacy needs to be liscenced with and abide by canadian food and drug laws.
If a canadian ordered a drug from the us, and that specific formula was not liscenced in Canada most of the time the border will seize it, the extreme the canadian border can do is charge the canadian with smuggling drugs.
I just spoke with the pharmacist, and she said next time, to bring the prescription to her and she could fill it.
Glad you had that conversation and now have access to medication in your community.
I would still suggest having one of the local vets work on some of your horses, even if it is administering vaccinations (I know most of us do our own) or a quick lameness exam, this way they will be more willing to help when shit hits the fan.
I have one vet clinic that will complete blood work for me even when I pull it, they give me tubes to have on hand, and they know there is nearly no chance they will see the horse if it is critical, but between dogs and minor things I still give them enough money to keep them happy. |
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