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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | It's very interesting to look at those statistics. Either way you slice it...it's looking like these modern horses are more lightly raced and not accustomed to the back to back races.
Someone posted a comment about the possible use of legal steroids back in the day. I wonder if that is what enabled the harder racing schedule and quicker recoveries? Just makes you wonder.
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Location: Sunny So Cal | TrailGirl - 2014-06-10 8:16 AM It's very interesting to look at those statistics. Either way you slice it...it's looking like these modern horses are more lightly raced and not accustomed to the back to back races.
Someone posted a comment about the possible use of legal steroids back in the day. I wonder if that is what enabled the harder racing schedule and quicker recoveries? Just makes you wonder.
 I think this and also we aren't breeding the same. We didn't have as much advanced technology so we had to breed more sound horses. Example would be like the use of lasix or better shoeing techniques. |
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Location: Deep South | I don't think anything should be changed just because there was one that came "close." There are great horses and there are super freak horses. It takes a super freak to win the triple crown. CC wasn't that horse, even as great as he is. One will come along eventually.
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Location: Carpenter, WY | TrailGirl - 2014-06-10 9:16 AM It's very interesting to look at those statistics. Either way you slice it...it's looking like these modern horses are more lightly raced and not accustomed to the back to back races.
Someone posted a comment about the possible use of legal steroids back in the day. I wonder if that is what enabled the harder racing schedule and quicker recoveries? Just makes you wonder.
I looked on Equibase awhile back at some of the stats on the horses in Teehaha's pedigree. She is 30 this year. More than one had over 30 starts and there were a couple with over 40.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | The new America, where we lower the standards so we can have more winners.  |
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Location: Kentucky | Nevertooold - 2014-06-10 12:55 PM The new America, where we lower the standards so we can have more winners.
My thoughts exactly. Let's make it "easier" so we can have a winner. |
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Location: PNW | teehaha - 2014-06-10 11:05 AM
TrailGirl - 2014-06-10 9:16 AM It's very interesting to look at those statistics. Either way you slice it...it's looking like these modern horses are more lightly raced and not accustomed to the back to back races.
Someone posted a comment about the possible use of legal steroids back in the day. I wonder if that is what enabled the harder racing schedule and quicker recoveries? Just makes you wonder.
I looked on Equibase awhile back at some of the stats on the horses in Teehaha's pedigree. She is 30 this year. More than one had over 30 starts and there were a couple with over 40.
My OTTQH had 32 starts. Is strong as an ox and sound as sound can be. |
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Location: Washington | Murphy - 2014-06-10 10:00 AM Nevertooold - 2014-06-10 12:55 PM The new America, where we lower the standards so we can have more winners.
And lets not have them run for money, let it be for ribbons and everyone gets one! LOL
Some things in life are meant to be hard.....
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Location: Washington | Not sure you should compare quarter horse race records to T/B's there is a huge difference in distance. IMHO
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Location: PNW | fatchance - 2014-06-10 12:13 PM
Not sure you should compare quarter horse race records to T/B's there is a huge difference in distance. IMHO
Wasn't necessarily comparing them. Was just stating my experience with high-start horses. There's no way to compare the distances - if we did that then my QH would probably have ran the equivalent of like 10-15 TB races. Lol
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Location: NC | BamaCanChaser - 2014-06-10 11:54 AM
I don't think anything should be changed just because there was one that came "close." There are great horses and there are super freak horses. It takes a super freak to win the triple crown. CC wasn't that horse, even as great as he is. One will come along eventually.
My thoughts exactly. It's not supposed to be easy. That's the whole point of it, to recognize the best of the best. And CC wasn't the best. Period. End of story. And one of his owners just happens to have been a sore loser, which is why this topic is even being discussed in the main stream. |
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Location: Washington | svincent - 2014-06-10 10:15 AM fatchance - 2014-06-10 12:13 PM Not sure you should compare quarter horse race records to T/B's there is a huge difference in distance. IMHO
Wasn't necessarily comparing them. Was just stating my experience with high-start horses. There's no way to compare the distances - if we did that then my QH would probably have ran the equivalent of like 10-15 TB races. Lol
Trust me there are a ton of T/B race horses that run a lot(claiming races)....especially the geldings.
IF we want to study this till our eyes bug out you need to add the horses foaling date, it is a huge advantage for the triple crown bid to have a very early one. This helps get one started as two year olds. There is a huge difference in a colt or filly that is born in jan or feb over one that come to you with a born on date of late april, may and june.
IF anything where to change is the age for the TC bid, but most owners would never want that, more time on the track and less time in the sheds.
Personally I like the TC as it is.
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Location: Florida.. | leave it alone ..
I think he might have had he not been injured.. thats my opinion.. though... adrenaline or not.. he was hurting .. thats a delicate spot. |
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Location: California | I talked to my husband about it and he agrees that they need to add a week in between. Jack had a horse he ran back after 2 days and won! But that was a million years ago. I don't think today's horse can do it. They come close but close ain't cuttin it. Curly's displacement was attributed to fatigue. Hell even the horse Jack won the Preakness in 1982 broke down in the Belmont (thankfully he was saved). Jack attributed it to fatigue. I think back to other horses that broke down in the Belmont - Charismatic and Prairie Bayou. Jack said it won't make it easier. It will make it safer for the horse.
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Location: Flat Rock,IL | I think he would have won it,if he did not get hurt out of the gate. |
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Location: MD | In 2005 or '06, I was fortunate enough to spend the winter season at Palm Meadows and spent many a morning in the company of Leroy Jolley. It was great to see an old school race trainer and truly observe his program. It was by far, not uncommon to see him work a young horse a mile from the gates. His horses worked more frequently, worked farther distances and often had starts grouped more closely together than most. |
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | If they change the dates of the triple crown, .... its NOT th triple crown.
If they shorten the distances of the 3 races in the triple crown its NOT the triple crown.
If they say horses have to run in the Kentucky derby and preakness in order to run in the belmont.... its NOT the triple crown!
The horses of the past who have WON the triple crown were just good enough to do it!
Just because this "fairy tale" story didnt end like everyone wanted doesnt mean the system is broken.
IMO all this WHINING is a PRIME example of how people feel self entitled.
and if they dont WIN then it wasnt their fault it was everybody elses.....
if they change ANYTHING about the triple crown they D A M N WELL better call it something else cause it sure as H E L L is NOT the triple crown and all of the CHAMPS who won it before and all the hard work put in by their owners, trainers, and Jockeys would be pissed.
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| Kcaughran - 2014-06-10 9:24 PM
I think he would have won it,if he did not get hurt out of the gate.
I agree.
I say leave it alone because even CC jockey said he felt different first stride out of the gate. Its possible to do it IMO |
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| Few of the good horses run even three weeks apart, much less two weeks. I think the TC should be spaced farther apart-not to make it "easier" for those competing, but to make it safer. Ride on Curlin bled in the Belmont. Barbaro broke his leg in the Preakness. I'll Have Another was injured the day before the Belmont and could not compete. Charismatic broke his leg in the Belmont after winning the first two legs of the TC. If you follow the TC you can name several horses who were injured competing in the TC. Almost every horse that runs in all three races is given time off after the TC to recuperate from the tremendous toll it takes on their body. Europe has a TC and the races are spaced much farther apart. Few horses have won it either.
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Read the article and vote--Triple Crown