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| Would love to share my videos of my OTTB gelding started on barrels and would love any helpful suggestions. As far as the second barrel, soreness or just being new to the pattern? He's had about two months off the track and does have some pelvic issues we are trying to address so don't know if thats the reason for him losing momentum around that turn or if he is sore somewhere else in combination or if he's just being green. But I am proud of him and how calm he is for just being off the track! Anyways here some clips!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw8j2nQBt2A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPo_paaAlqs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Spz2pNjpZs
Edited by Nicole.Noelle 2014-06-11 12:33 PM
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Location: Midwest | He looks sore... He's swishing his tail and swinging out his hind end. |
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I just read the headlines
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| I mean this in the nicest way - if you know he has pelvic issues why are you working him on the barrels? All you're going to do is create bad habits and build up dread for the barrels in him. He looks like a nice horse with a lot of try. I would be worried I was ruining a nice horse. |
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| I would say something is up too, he is wringing his tail doesn't want to stay on the left lead and is cross firing. |
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| It is obvious that there are pain related issues!!! Please stop working him on barrels, and get him to a lameness vet. It is unfair to him to be made to go around the barrels while he is hurting. Please don't take any of this the wrong way. Just saying it how I see it. |
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Location: North Dakota | Have you gotten him a complete lameness eval? If not, that is where I would start. Something is definately not right with his back end. I see him yelling "Pain!" by the way he is expressing himself in the turn.
I would stop working him on barrels so he doesn't learn to associate barrels with pain. Get him healthy and pain-free first before you go back to it.
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Location: Where cold is the normal | I see Possible teeth, but poll, shoulder and pelvis. He's in pain and you have a VERY WILLING horse that is trying to do everything you ask of him but now it's time for you to listen to him.I agree with the ladies on taking him off the pattern till he's not sore anymore. I also understand that you probably have him in the X project for barrels too but TRUST ME, you will be further ahead if you stop now and let him get better then to keep pushing the training into him because at the level of pain he's experiencing/expressing right now, you'll blow him up quicker then anything if you keep going on like this.You know you have an issue and he's coming along REAL nice on that pattern, you can afford to take some time off for his sake.Good luck with him, he's a keeper |
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| He's had a complete lameness and had chiro/ massage. All professionals have cleared him for work. I do all slow work and body control at home and the only times he's been on the pattern have been exhibitions so in no way do I intend to sour him |
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| I also mean this very kindly---Get him to the vet! No more barrels until he's sound. Something is pinching very badly in his hindquarters and making him say, "OUCH!!" |
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I just read the headlines
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| Nicole.Noelle - 2014-06-11 1:44 PM
He's had a complete lameness and had chiro/ massage. All professionals have cleared him for work. I do all slow work and body control at home and the only times he's been on the pattern have been exhibitions so in no way do I intend to sour him
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| I'm not disagreeing but I want it to be know he did have an eval and what not. And been cleared for work and hence the pattern. But I have no issues giving him the time he needs. Would be looking for more suggestions then. Stifles? Pelvic? |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I have a filly that swishes her tail and is very gritty with full lameness exam etc, she is 100% sound so if that's the case that you claim that's fine, my issue would be that an OTTB is not usually broke enough to do barrels right off the track.
It looks like he's not even ready to slow lope the pattern, get him broke more and using his hind end, he's swinging his butt out and using his front end. Horses should be broke broke broke before they should ever see a barrel - but that's if you're serious about competition.
Just my opinion.
Edited by RnRJack 2014-06-11 2:04 PM
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| This horse is sore period. If you had a Vet look at him I would have another Vet look at him. Did you ex ray his hocks? |
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Owner of a ratting catting machine
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| I watched everything again. I just really want you to stop riding him, he hurts really bad and is trying to tell you. If he were mine, I'd have him in for stifle and hock X-rays and blocks to start with at a new and better vet. That boy is in pain. |
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| What a bunch of drama queens. He does look sore but its hard telling from what and how bad it is. |
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Owner of a ratting catting machine
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| Oh hello, itsme. So glad you could bring your sardonic and rude attitude to this post with nothing contributed. Sometimes one must use dramatic wording to get the point across online. Have a great and less sour day!! :) |
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| Itsme - 2014-06-11 2:42 PM
What a bunch of drama queens. He does look sore but its hard telling from what and how bad it is.
I was thinking the same thing!!! My goodness..........
I will agree however, that he is sore. It's probably why he's falling out on the backside. The tail swishing could be some of it but it also could be your feet. If he's only been off the track 3 months then he might not be completely desensitized to pressure on his sides yet. One good note is that he is very willing and I like that he changes leads coming out of the first really nice. Take him back to the vet and ask them to dig a little deeper. |
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| Glad I could help. Horses need to learn how to run through some pain anyways...  |
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Location: In a happy place | What a nice horse. I would say that he is hurting. I would be taking him to a different vet. |
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| I am going to make an appointment for a second opinion with someone else tomorrow. |
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Location: PNW | I agree that he is seriously ouchy and seriously forgiving and patient. His body language is SCREAMING pain.
He looks like a nice horse, definitely must have a good attitude... I'd get him looked at by a lameness vet, not just your normal everyday vet. |
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Location: Texas | You and your horse need some help from a knowledgable vet as well as someone to help you with barrels. Here's what my OTTb looked like 3 weeks after a race and 3 weeks after I bought him. Your horse may just need to be turned out. Did you do a vet check when you bought him?
Barrels
http://youtu.be/y1CmkKn4kdU
poles
http://youtu.be/Lqt_s6vvLr4
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| Nicole.Noelle - 2014-06-11 1:44 PM
He's had a complete lameness and had chiro/ massage. All professionals have cleared him for work. I do all slow work and body control at home and the only times he's been on the pattern have been exhibitions so in no way do I intend to sour him
The complete lameness did it include flexion test of all joints blocks and X-ray.
When you turn second barrel in the first video the hind right leg the horse will not stick into the ground. This is a big red flag that the hocks are hurting him.
As already said, I would quit working any circles and take the horse to a qualified lameness vet and have a thorough assessment completed. |
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Owner of a ratting catting machine
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| Careful y'all! We'll just be drama queens with bleeding hearts if we continue!! OP, good for on vet exam! |
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| I literally just said I was making an appointment to have him seen by someone else.. So what's the problem? |
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Location: Alberta | I definitely agree with getting a very good lameness vet check on him.
what I see in the videos...besides the tail swishing....I see a horse not wanting to collect up when you ask for gait, he might have his nose tipped (exhibition video) but he is not collected or engaging his hind end. His back is hallowed out and nose is pushing away, which also is the case in his turns. I see cross firing as well.....looks like a beautiful horse, get him feeling great and I'm sure things will go great! |
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The Advice Guru
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| Nicole.Noelle - 2014-06-11 9:36 PM
I literally just said I was making an appointment to have him seen by someone else.. So what's the problem?
It is good you are getting a second opinion. I suggest taking the videos and show them to the vet after he does his assessment to ensure the vets diagnosis matches the pain in the videos.
Also make sure they flexion test all joints front and back, block X-ray and ultrasound if needed.
Get the vet to use the hoof testers to make sure the horse is not sore in the foot, again block then text if warranted.
A thorough examination is not going to be cheap, expect to spend 500, 1000+ just on assessment and diagnosis! that isn't even covering the cost of treatment. |
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| Personally, I would say the horse is not broke. Just because you can saddle one and ride it does not mean the horse is broke. You said he has been off the track a couple of months and I would say that he needs at LEAST 60 days training before starting barrels. He is on the wrong lead most of the time. Rider is sitting up there having a nice ride but is not riding the horse. Sweet horse is trying his butt off. He needs a little direction. Try to find a good clinic in your area that emphasizes horsemanship. I think you will get your moneys worth and have fun. Some video of the horse working in circles would show lameness issues better but I do not think that is what your problem is. I think he needs some wet saddle blankets more than anything. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Honeymoney - 2014-06-11 10:39 PM
Personally, I would say the horse is not broke. Just because you can saddle one and ride it does not mean the horse is broke. You said he has been off the track a couple of months and I would say that he needs at LEAST 60 days training before starting barrels. He is on the wrong lead most of the time. Rider is sitting up there having a nice ride but is not riding the horse. Sweet horse is trying his butt off. He needs a little direction. Try to find a good clinic in your area that emphasizes horsemanship. I think you will get your moneys worth and have fun. Some video of the horse working in circles would show lameness issues better but I do not think that is what your problem is. I think he needs some wet saddle blankets more than anything.
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