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 Crazy Doggy Mommy
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | 9 yo palmino gelding came to board about a month ago- his entire spine was poking out of his back, he had a huge belly from bad round bales and probably no deworming. His new owner is a 14 yo lesson girl who rides him on trails twice day and he sweats horribly. Shes been giving him purina strategy about a coffee can twice daily and good quality grass and alfalfa twice daily. I've tried explaining that he needs to be taking in more than shes riding because hes burning too many calories but his sweating concerns me AND hes a BAD cribber. Can anyone think of anything that could help him? Its this girls first horse so she wants to be on him 24/7, but he just doesnt have any energy to spare.
Also my friend said the entire herd came flying up the hill the other night and she seen a palamino just cantering FAR behind and thought it was our older lesson horse, but it was this new horse he couldn't he come close to catching up with the herd.
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 Texas Taco
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Location: Bandera, TX | I would try adding Cocosoya oil (very reasonable) and THE Muscle Mass with ulcer prevention. May be also some alfalfa.
Of course quality hay, rotational worming schedule and properly maintained teeth are a must. |
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Crazy Doggy Mommy
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | GoMistyGo - 2014-06-22 6:55 PM I would try adding Cocosoya oil (very reasonable) and THE Muscle Mass with ulcer prevention. May be also some alfalfa.
Of course quality hay, rotational worming schedule and properly maintained teeth are a must.
He got his teeth done a few weeks ago and seems to be gaining better than before- I have some cocoasoya in the pantry how much do you feed? |
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Texas Taco
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Location: Bandera, TX | FirstFirewater - 2014-06-22 6:57 PM GoMistyGo - 2014-06-22 6:55 PM I would try adding Cocosoya oil (very reasonable) and THE Muscle Mass with ulcer prevention. May be also some alfalfa.
Of course quality hay, rotational worming schedule and properly maintained teeth are a must. He got his teeth done a few weeks ago and seems to be gaining better than before- I have some cocoasoya in the pantry how much do you feed?
I feed 2 oz twice a day. I have a little plastic container I fill
up and keep in the barn. Big jug stays in house to be out of the heat. Ants seem to like that stuff too... |
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 I Am Always Right
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Location: stray dump capital of the world | I took one in a year ago that was very malnourished. I fed (and still do because he is a senior horse) Safechoice Senior, soaked alfalfa cubes, soaked beet pulp, and rice bran. He still chews fairly well, so I also feed him coastal hay and alfalfa. I dewormed him very cautiously because I wasn't sure when the last time he was dewormed. He gained weight and is a plump old man now. |
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  Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | GoMistyGo - 2014-06-22 5:55 PM I would try adding Cocosoya oil (very reasonable) and THE Muscle Mass with ulcer prevention. May be also some alfalfa.
Of course quality hay, rotational worming schedule and properly maintained teeth are a must.
I have sold the Muscle Mass to several rescues and they have made major improvements on it! I have used it myself on hard keeping broodmares with awesome results. |
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Sock Snob
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| Cool caleries is 99.% fat. Works amazing and 20.00 a bag.
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| Here's what I feed mine that are mostly aged running horses....
Good tube worm once every two weeks for a month then once monthly for a couple months
Sounds like he's good in the hay department
We have a regional grain brand called Equus performance but it's similar to ultium. I feed a 3qt scoop at lunch
Am they get same scoop of soaked alfalfa pellets with 1 cup rice bran with daily dewormer
PM they get same but with their old man meds
One is a 20 yr ottb used hard and the other is a 20 yr appendix used moderately and they look amazing. |
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | The cribbing and weight loss make me suspect ulcers. Not sure about the sweating, what that means. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | GoMistyGo - 2014-06-22 6:55 PM I would try adding Cocosoya oil (very reasonable) and THE Muscle Mass with ulcer prevention. May be also some alfalfa.
Of course quality hay, rotational worming schedule and properly maintained teeth are a must.
I love the Coco Soya and Healthycoat. I feed the CoCo Soya to two of my geldings and my other boy gets the Healthycoat.  |
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Veteran
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| Check out this link....I found it interesting that the first thing that came up when I go ogled excessive sweating in horses was a gal who fed her horse strategy as well. Idk if there is a connection and I'm not anti purina at all but if found it interesting. They also mentioned it is a symptom of possible selenium deficiency.
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?311761-Excessive-s... |
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| Maybe also a midday hay "snack". |
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Location: Durango CO | For some reason I love these posts. Maybe it is because I have put weight on a cpl different horses with the same exact method. I will list out what I do but it is not really in a particular order.
1)PowerPac if the horse needs it
2) Treat for Ulcers (my preferred method is the THE supplement)
3)Offer free choice loose minerals (I use the StayStrong Precise by ADM)
4) My grain of choice is 2 lbs SeniorGlo (by ADM) and 1 lb Renew Gold. I also like Triple Crown and a cpl other brands but because I have great access to the feeds I mentioned I stick with those. Also, my current horse is 13 so that's the other reason I have him on the Senior version vs. another.
5) I add FORCO which is a digestive fortifier. It is a prebiotic which I feel works way better than using probiotics. **Prebiotics feed the natural probiotics in the horse, just FYI**
The mentioned above is my current program for my current horse. The amount I feed is based off of a tad bit of trial and error and that is what works for my particular horse.
My sister feeds beetpulp, barley, and FORCO as her base feed and it also works really well for adding weight. I do not remember what her feeding rate was for weight gain but I know it works also! |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | We have a product in Canada made by Proform that is a high fat supplement called Step 8. Not sure if it is avaliable in the states?
I've also heard good things about Equitop Myoplast. |
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Location: Deep South | Cool Calories is a great cheap way to add fat to the diet! I took in a pretty malnourished horse, very much like the one your describing. Before I was finished with the bag (feeding the recommended amount) she was filled out nice!
I think exercise actually helps horses fill out better/faster as long as they are getting enough feed, than horses that just have grain poured to them and stuck out in the pasture.
Definitely also recommend feeding more than 2x a day while trying to put weight on one like this as well. |
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Location: Sorrow Not! Defending against workplace bullies | i have put weight on my very thin Arab by tying him ALONE morning and night for an extra rarion of senior feed, alfalfa pellets, corn oil, red cell, and equerrys choice vitamins. All soaked together thoroughly in a big tub. It took about six weeks but now he is looking great so I only do this at night. He also gets hay with the other horses, but this allows him time to eat a good bit by himself. |
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| Forco will put weight on. Its a digestive fortifier so they process their food better and get all the nutrience out of it. I sell forco. this product isgreat and very affordable to feed. Message me if you need pricing and I can ship it anywhere. |
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 Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | He needs more Calories period.. what he is getting is not enough calories
he also can be sweating from the grain or alfalfa.. can casue it as well.
ulcers would be a good guess if hes cribbing .
could be a few things.. contributing.. but he needs more calories .. not extra supplement stuff.. good higher fat and calorie grain.. imho and hay 24 -7 some horses dont do well on that grain at all.. |
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Location: north dakota | ADM senoir |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I'd say he needs a senior feed with added fat and good quality hay plus ulcergard or something similar. Also a good high fat complete feed thats beet pulped based like ultium or triple crown complete would work well. But he needs a lot of it, not one coffee can but a couple at a time maybe three times daily until he's put on the fat he needs. Calories, calories, calories. She can always pull him back on it after he's gained his weight. If she's looking for a cheaper option, omolene 100 or 200 with added fat might not be too bad. Definitely worm him. Strategy is probably the last feed I'd recommend to put weight on one. |
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | So far I think the ADM SeniorGlo is pretty good stuff.
That might help her get the calories up in his diet as well.
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Location: Colorful Colorado | Who is the manufacturer for Cool caleries ?
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Location: Willows, CA | Several things need to happen for a malnourished horse to add proper condition. First, is parasite control, Second, you know if someone allowed the horse to get in that condition, it's teeth have not had attention for some time. Both of these need to done before effective weight gain can occur. I rarely recommend pro-biotics, and never on a daily basis. In general, and if the horse is basically healthy, very little of the pro-biotic reaches the hind gut at a level that makes a significant difference. However, this is one time that I would feel that it would be appropriate, since this horse needs all the help it can get. The next step is the best quality hay you can find in a slow feeder. I like a mixed hay with about 20% alfalfa. The hay is then complimented by a low starch / high fat concentrate program that is fed three to four times per day. You have to start this at a very low rate and work up over 14 days or so to no more than 1.5 pounds per feeding. This program will safely bring condition up until the horse will score a three to four. At that point we should be out of danger and we can move to two feedings per day, but not more than 2 pounds of concentrate, any concentrate, per feeding. This is not about how fast you can bulk a horse like this up. It is more about getting his digestive system healthy and functioning properly in a reasonable length of time. We use Renew Gold with the half pound rule in this situation.
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Crazy Doggy Mommy
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | thank you all for the advice, I think. We will continue with his senior feed and a bhw member has generously donated the girl muscle mass with ulcer prevention. If this works for him I will make sure he stays. It for as long as possible :) all of his deworming,feet and teeth will be done routinely from here on out, the unfortunate thing is she got this gelding from a distant cousin who let him get that way :( |
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Trying to put weight on malnourished horse