Frodo - 2014-06-23 10:03 AM This report comes from a doctor who foresees the possibility of a medical nightmare because of these immigrant children who are not being properly processed at the border.   Also, guess who picks up the bills. 



Leprosy?????



 

Frodo - 2014-06-23 10:03 AM

This report comes from a doctor who foresees the possibility of a medical nightmare because of these immigrant children who are not being properly processed at the border.   Also, guess who picks up the bills. 

Leprosy?????

 

komet. - 2014-06-23 10:44 AM


News agencies can always find someone with credentials to forecast doom and despair..... When CDC and USAMRIID start issuing warnings, I'll start believing.

LRQHS - 2014-06-23 10:23 AM Man, I don't want no Leprosy. Were there any cases in Louisiana??? 

barrelracr131 - 2014-06-23 10:18 AM  Leprosy is pretty abundant in third world countries. 



There were approx 200 cases in 2009 in the US



http://www.hrsa.gov/hansensdisease/dataandstatistics.html

LRQHS - 2014-06-23 10:23 AM Man, I don't want no Leprosy. Were there any cases in Louisiana??? 

LRQHS - 2014-06-23 2:33 PM Rought ro!! Armadillos must die!



Using genetic sequencing machines, researchers were able to confirm that about a third of the leprosy cases that arise each year in the United States almost certainly result from contact with infected armadillos. The cases are concentrated in Louisiana and Texas, where some people hunt, skin and eat armadillos.

 

LRQHS - 2014-06-23 2:34 PM No more Armadillo pies at LRQH's trailer house..... 

Frodo - 2014-06-23 3:18 PM I have yet to see a live one here in Kansas but there are sure plenty of them laying belly-up on the highways.

 

barrelracr131 - 2014-06-23 9:21 AM All those diseases, minus the dengue fever, already appear in the US and have been appearing in more frequent numbers as of late due to people deciding not to vaccinate their kids.



There are several TB cases every year in chicago alone. In the future I suppose they may start vaccinations for that if it becomes an issue. (I know they do vaccine for it currently in other countries, like Poland for ex) 

LRQHS - 2014-06-23 10:23 AM

Man, I don't want no Leprosy. Were there any cases in Louisiana??? 

HotbearLVR - 2014-06-23 11:00 PM No need to worry about vaccinations. They are just a money making hoax designed to make big $ for big pharma and we have all been misled, right? Herd immunity is just another unproven theory, right? Some people actually believe that diseases like whooping cough and measles would have been completely eliminated were it not for vaccines. Seems logical to me. Thank goodness these folks are bringing in these nice natural infectious diseases so we can all experience natural immunity. This should prove to be the biggest science project in history.

ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-23 2:17 PM


Armadillos carry Leprosy, it is a normal thing for them.  So as long as we have armadillos, we will have sporadic cases of Leprosy. 

komet. - 2014-06-24 10:39 AM This is such a foolish statement.... The fact of the mater is... They are the only other mammal besides human known to contract leprosy... and there were no armadillos in the old world where this disease 1st became known (in the bible)... So you might as well say "as long as there are humans, there will be sporadic cases of leprosy".... The only thing the known facts show is they prolly got it from us..

Tailwind - 2014-06-23 4:37 PM I so agree with you about vaccinations.  I have gotten into several discussions with others who don't believe in vaccinations> I just hope they dont live to regret their

dissions. My own personal experience is when I was 11 my 5 year  sister died from measles.  I vaccinate all my animals and I had my son get all his vaccinations when he

was young. 

ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-24 10:55 AM


There are dozens of studies linking humans contracting leprosy from armadillos, but I have yet to find one linking armadillos to getting leprosy from humans.  The 9 banded armadillo's natural body temperature is lower than ours (90 degress F) and that allows the bacteria (Mycobacterium leprae and Mycobacterium lepromatosis) to live in their system, to where, without a compromised immune system, it won't naturally inhabit/live in our system. Our body temperature is too high for it to survive without extenuating circumstances.  I don't know how we got the disease back in the old world times, who knows maybe armadillos lived then too, or another animal was the host.  We don't know as we weren't there (Lord know the medical advances back then weren't advanced enough even for the old world inhabitants to know how they got it).  My statement was not foolish, but factual!

komet. - 2014-06-24 11:00 AM Like I said.... There were no armadillos in the old world... They can be found only in the Americas..Isolated from the rest of the world they did not give it to the Europeans..

barrelracr131 - 2014-06-24 12:03 PM


Europe and the Americas were not always separated by oceans....

komet. - 2014-06-24 11:00 AM


Like I said.... There were no armadillos in the old world... They can be found only in the Americas..Isolated from the rest of the world they did not give it to the Europeans..

kdb2qq - 2014-06-24 1:22 PM


Many people believe that the leprosy that was talked about in the "old world" and the leprosy we see today is not one and the same. Leprosy literally means "scaly", which is not necessarily how the disease always presents. Many that have studied it will tell you that what in the old world was termed leprosy could have very well been simple dermatologic conditions such as eczema and the like. Just an FYI for all :-)

kdb2qq - 2014-06-24 1:22 PM Many people believe that the leprosy that was talked about in the "old world" and the leprosy we see today is not one and the same. Leprosy literally means "scaly", which is not necessarily how the disease always presents. Many that have studied it will tell you that what in the old world was termed leprosy could have very well been simple dermatologic conditions such as eczema and the like. Just an FYI for all :-)

Three 4 Luck - 2014-06-24 2:37 PM


 If that was the case, then why were people's fingers and noses falling off?!

Three 4 Luck - 2014-06-24 2:37 PM


 If that was the case, then why were people's fingers and noses falling off?!

Frodo - 2014-06-23 3:18 PM I have yet to see a live one here in Kansas but there are sure plenty of them laying belly-up on the highways.

 

Swannranch - 2014-06-24 10:59 AM


I did vaccinate my children for most, but not all things available.  We did not do the Guardisil when my daughter was a teen.  

But just as a point of fact, non-vaccinated children/adults CAN NOT carry a disease or spread it to vaccinated children/adults.  Now, a child/adult that has been vaccinated CAN actually shed and give it to a non vaccinated person.  It's rare but happens. 
My son's vaccination records were lost in Hurricane Andrew.  The area was completely wiped out.  We started doing them over and he had 2 horrible reactions so doctor stopped and said do NOT GIVE HIM ANY MORE.  I also have a good friend who almost lost her oldest son to a reaction when he was 6 months old.  They were advised not to vaccinate any of their children subsequently because the reaction could have been similar.  I can't remember the details and that was 30 years ago.  There are many many GOOD REASONS not to vaccinate children, I believe that every parent should be able to make that decission themselves.  I just hate the bashing that goes on because of lack of education.  If your child is vaccinated you have nothing to fear from a nonvaccinated child.

The rest of us with all these diseases listed will be very scary, they are things that have no vaccine, or we have never needed it.  I think allowing these children to stay is a horrible idea and will contribute to the further undoing of our nation.
 

komet. - 2014-06-24 2:51 PM


I was thinking the same thing.... There is aw hopping big difference between dandruff and the nerve ending dieing and the loss of feeling in the extremities followed by widgets falling off..

cheryl makofka - 2014-06-24 3:08 PM


If you look at the history of vaccinations, you can see they are a necessity, vaccines eradicated small pox.

Vaccines have changed a lot in 30 years, and to generalize that the child had an adverse reaction from the vaccines is wrong. It sounds like your child had an adverse reaction to a part of the vaccine, the doctor should have investigated to see which part. My guess is tetanus as this one if you give closer then the suggested amount of time and more often is the one to give more of an adverse reaction.

Pertussis is making a comeback and it will keep getting worse because all diseases are a plane ride away from a compromised individual. To completely erradicate a disease the entire world needs atleast 80 of the population to be immunized.

Tetanus and diphtheria you will never erradicate as it is a spore that lives in the soil just as anthrax.

Measles, mumps, rubella there are becoming more and more outbreaks throughout the world due to non immunized, just because one gets immunized there is a .1 percent chance you can still get the disease, it may not be as severe, or you could be the 1 percent of the immunized who will develop no immunity to the vaccine, the only way to know this is to get your titres tested.

Education is key, but people need to focus on educating themselves about the disease the life long effects of the disease, the prevalence of the effects and then decide if they want to play Russian roulette with their child's lives.

HotbearLVR - 2014-06-25 9:36 AM This is an excellent post. There's no BS.....just good facts you can rely on. It's refreshing to see this, as opposed to a bunch of naturipathic, unproven, crap that seems to be so fashionable these days.

Swannranch - 2014-06-24 10:59 AM I did vaccinate my children for most, but not all things available.  We did not do the Guardisil when my daughter was a teen.  



But just as a point of fact, non-vaccinated children/adults CAN NOT carry a disease or spread it to vaccinated children/adults.  Now, a child/adult that has been vaccinated CAN actually shed and give it to a non vaccinated person.  It's rare but happens. 

My son's vaccination records were lost in Hurricane Andrew.  The area was completely wiped out.  We started doing them over and he had 2 horrible reactions so doctor stopped and said do NOT GIVE HIM ANY MORE.  I also have a good friend who almost lost her oldest son to a reaction when he was 6 months old.  They were advised not to vaccinate any of their children subsequently because the reaction could have been similar.  I can't remember the details and that was 30 years ago.  There are many many GOOD REASONS not to vaccinate children, I believe that every parent should be able to make that decission themselves.  I just hate the bashing that goes on because of lack of education.  If your child is vaccinated you have nothing to fear from a nonvaccinated child.



The rest of us with all these diseases listed will be very scary, they are things that have no vaccine, or we have never needed it.  I think allowing these children to stay is a horrible idea and will contribute to the further undoing of our nation.

 

Three 4 Luck - 2014-06-25 9:45 AM


 You know why naturopaths are en vogue?  Because they actually attempt to treat the whole person, find the cause of illness instead of only treating symptoms, and they practice with a heavy emphasis on nutrition.  Western medicine is wonderful for some things, but it has some big gaps that it can either change its methods and start addressing, or gracefully share with other modes of practice.  

From what I have seen, both philosophies have their place and neither should be relied upon exclusively.  Btw, not all naturopaths/oriental medicine practitioners are anti-vaccine, although I have yet to talk to one that believes in getting them all and doing the cdc schedule (which was designed for convenience, not optimal health).  

cheryl makofka - 2014-06-25 10:29 AM

I do believe in freedom of choice, but in also believe in living with your choice.

I wish governments would pass a law stating parents who choose to no vaccinate their children are solely responsible for all costs incurred with their child/ren doctor, hospital, medical costs from contracting vaccine preventable diseases.

This would lower insurance rates for everyone, and save tax payer dollars in countries that have free health care.

kdb2qq - 2014-06-24 3:33 PM


From what I understand, leprosy doesn't actually cause your fingers and toes to fall off. Actually what happens is those affected lose feeling in those extremities (much like what can happen with what the Doc mentioned). As there is a loss of feeling, many people begin to injure themselves which in turn can cause an infection to set in, whereby the extremities are removed surgically. Back when surgical removal wasn't an option, and still in some cases, the bones would actually begin to shorten due to repeated injury. As the Doc mentioned, anytime there is a loss of feeling/blood flow, this can happen, it's not specific to leprosy. What can I say, I'm a bit of a nerd....

cheryl makofka - 2014-06-25 10:23 AM CDC main goal is to protect the human population. Their research scientists and surveillance staff have conducted many hours on tracking the patterns of diseases, their DNA, and what age/race group are more susceptible to the disease. CDC recommendation gives the maximum protection for the individual, if one chooses to not abide by the schedule, they are putting the individual being vaccinated at risk for not being properly immunized therefore at risk for contracting the disease. One thing you said that natural paths try to treat the whole person and finding cause of the illness. For the vaccine preventive diseases the cause of the illness is either virus, spore or bacteria, why not prevent your child from getting the disease instead of waiting till your child gets the disease then have the natural path find what caused the disease. My issue with natural paths is none of the evidence is research based, it is all anecdotal, subjective. If you also look the average life expectancy of people in civilized countries has drastically increased in the past century, this has nothing to do with natural paths, but everything to do with scientific breakthroughs, penicillin, insulin, vaccines, medical interventions, etc.

cheryl makofka - 2014-06-25 10:23 AM CDC main goal is to protect the human population. Their research scientists and surveillance staff have conducted many hours on tracking the patterns of diseases, their DNA, and what age/race group are more susceptible to the disease. CDC recommendation gives the maximum protection for the individual, if one chooses to not abide by the schedule, they are putting the individual being vaccinated at risk for not being properly immunized therefore at risk for contracting the disease. One thing you said that natural paths try to treat the whole person and finding cause of the illness. For the vaccine preventive diseases the cause of the illness is either virus, spore or bacteria, why not prevent your child from getting the disease instead of waiting till your child gets the disease then have the natural path find what caused the disease. My issue with natural paths is none of the evidence is research based, it is all anecdotal, subjective. If you also look the average life expectancy of people in civilized countries has drastically increased in the past century, this has nothing to do with natural paths, but everything to do with scientific breakthroughs, penicillin, insulin, vaccines, medical interventions, etc.

HotbearLVR - 2014-06-25 11:47 AM


You are on a roll, Cheryl. Naturipathic medicine doesn't generally rely on scientific study because that would shoot them in the foot, if done properly.
That's how myth and lore is promoted....not by scientific evidence, rather, anecdote and quackery. I do welcome natural remedies, but I believe they ought to hold up to critical scientific scrutiny, just like everything else. They love this notion of some monk high up in the Himalayas sitting cross legged with an urn full of exotic potients. The exotic mystique is appealing, as was the fountain of youth.

Three 4 Luck - 2014-06-25 11:53 AM


Stop being a condescending ass. Who is going to fund the studies? There is a place for both. No need to belittle what has worked for people that isn't surgery or popping a pill.

Three 4 Luck - 2014-06-25 12:29 PM

 Nope. Because most "products" ARE crap. Just calling it like I see it. 

I do, however, raise and sell GMO crops.  

HotbearLVR - 2014-06-25 1:10 PM Do you believe GMO foods are in any way harmful?

Three 4 Luck - 2014-06-25 1:22 PM


 Knowing what I know, I don't believe it's potentially any more harmful than traditional breeding. Either way, you're making changes to the proteins in the food that could potentially cause issues for some people. I'm all for further study.  Much of the anti movement is based on bad info. ETA: I try very hard not to put people down for wanting to avoid eating bio-tech foods and have even tried to make suggestions on ways to avoid them.

GLP - 2014-06-25 10:51 AM


Do you include AIDS patients, smokers, drug addicts and their children and people who are exposed to harmful chemicals in their workplace? It would be great if everyone could be responsible for their own health care but thanks to the people we have voted to lead us in government that will never happen. You can not just single out one section of the population just because they don't do what you want them to do. I for one am tired of the government meddling in my life. I would rather be responsible for myself and mine, but the truth is the majority of people do not feel that way. What about people that ride with out helmets? Is it our responsibility to pay for their medical care? We are through higher insurance rates. I am tired of people attacking other people for not vaccinating their children. I wish I hadn't. But thankfully I did not put them on the schedule that the government wants them on. They had alot of time in between vaccinations.

HotbearLVR - 2014-06-25 1:38 PM If there is no proof that a GMO food is harmful, should the food be required by law to be labelled as "GMO"? If so, why? It would seem to be an unjustified perjorative.

HotbearLVR - 2014-06-25 2:38 PM If there is no proof that a GMO food is harmful, should the food be required by law to be labelled as "GMO"? If so, why? It would seem to be an unjustified perjorative.

3canstorun - 2014-06-25 1:57 PM


To me, it's only labeled non GMO to get more buyers.  A new fad, trend, whatever you want to call it.  The latest band wagon. 


Why, I even saw a commercial for glutten free beer, but that's a whole new thread.   

Griz - 2014-06-26 5:48 AM

Sorry I'm lost, but what the hell is GMO? 

cheryl makofka - 2014-06-25 1:52 PM


The morbidities you used as example are not cut and dry, not all AIDS people can be held accountable for having the disease.

There have been some court cases where someone with AIDS has knowlingly infected others has been imprisoned, yes we are still paying for their health care, but atleast the individual spreading the disease has been incarcerated. There is no cure or vaccine for AIDS in all reality these individuals cannot be put into the same category as people who refuse to vaccinate.

Smoking, in some countries there have been lawsuits where the companies have paid for health costs of individuals who have cancer as a direct result of smoking, this is a highly addictive habit, very hard for someone to quit. There are also countries/provinces that tax the cigarettes and that money is specifically supposed to go to pay for health care directly related to smoking, so in theory the smokers are paying for their own health care. (Do I think all this tax money is going towards this, highly doubt it but a question for the government)

People who are exposed to harmful chemicals in their work place, problem with this is the more research done more harmful chemicals are found in the work place, ex asbestos no one knew this was a cancer causing agent if inhailed until people developed cancer and the causative agent was identified. There have been many lawsuits fought over this and many people have been monetarily compensated. Where harmful chemicals are in the workforce the employer is legislated to provide safety precautions/gear. The employee is supposed to abide by the MSDS regulations and wear the protective gear and have the proper monitoring systems in place. An employee can be fired for not adhering to the regulations, and an employer can be fined, shut down, and even sued for not abiding by legislation and regulations.

HotbearLVR - 2014-06-26 7:15 AM "Genetically Modified Organisms" - basically any animal or plant used for food that has been genetically modified. It's fashionable to be opposed to GMO foods, but it's hard to find good evidence that it poses any significant risk to the consumer....at least as far as I am aware.

HotbearLVR - 2014-06-25 3:37 PM I've seen "gluten free" milk, eggs, and butter......and you can bet they jack up the price for that label.....and get away with it. People fall for this crap. I think I am going to go into the gluten free! GMO free, organic bottled water business. I can charge even more than they charge for "Evian water". I'm thinking a nice looking natural label and $3.99 a bottle. After all, we all should have our own personal bottle of water. Tap water is for peasants, right?

GLP - 2014-06-26 8:52 AM


AIDS - drug addicts can get AIDS from sharing needles and people can get it from unprotected sex. Those are conscious decisions. Not good ones, but ones they made.
Smoking - I highly doubt much of the money goes to treatment. I believe they could also use the money for the prevention of smoking.
Dangerous Jobs- My uncle saw very little of the money from law suits for mesothelioma (asbestoes caused cancer). The lawyer fees ate that up.
My husband works in a refinery. You cannot prevent accidents. Some of the people who work in the plants are as intelligent as our government officials.
So all the morbidities I used are not cut and dry. Agreed, but neither is child vaccinations. There are children who for whatever reason, are advised not to vaccinate or had reactions to vaccinations and can't finish them. Why should the child have to pay for a decision the parents made on their behalf?
In the perfect world we would all want to and be able to pay for our own health care. I prefer that world. But I don't think that world is coming back anytime soon.