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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | HorseMommyFiveO - 2014-06-24 11:22 AM That looks awful close.
It is. Just thought of Leo. |
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | thats risky, the sire and mare are 3/4 siblings... AND i think you would have a hard time selling it possibly. If it were for resale that is.
NOW if the horse ran on the track and did great or was an outstanding barrel horse and i was looking at it to buy for whatever reason and I could see nothing wrong with the horse then yeah i'd buy it No problem. |
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Location: Kansas | a little close for me as well. Why not cross her back on scorcho? |
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| I might. I don't have a problem line breeding, but that might be a little too much for me because like was mentioned the sire and dam are 3/4 siblings. It could work. But resale probably isn't going to be very good since a majority of people are scared of line breeding. I have a gelding with the same grandsire top and bottom, but no other relatives similar and people are turned off by that.
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| Do you people not realize that HFD is pretty much the hottest thing in racing right now? To breed him to a 3/4 sister. I would guarantee that horse would sell in a heartbeat. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | hoofs_in_motion - 2014-06-24 11:47 AM a little close for me as well. Why not cross her back on scorcho?
She is crossed back on Scorcho. I'm thinking of a cross for a potential stallion prospect and runner for myself. I highly doubt I would sell this foal filly or stud. It is an intimidating cross. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | In my opinion you will get one of two things with the lines being that close... 1) you will compound all the good qualities and be very happy with it, or 2) you will compound all the bad qualities and have a POS... Is that a risk you are willing to take? |
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| LRQHS - 2014-06-24 11:54 AM
hoofs_in_motion - 2014-06-24 11:47 AM a little close for me as well. Why not cross her back on scorcho?
She is crossed back on Scorcho. I'm thinking of a cross for a potential stallion prospect and runner for myself. I highly doubt I would sell this foal filly or stud. It is an intimidating cross.
Then I say go for it! (Just don't blame me if it comes out with 5 legs and 2 heads! Just kidding). Seriously that pedigree would not scare me unless of course there is some kind of conformation issue with the line or if they are known to be really hot, fragile minded, or something like that. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Jenbabe - 2014-06-24 11:59 AM LRQHS - 2014-06-24 11:54 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2014-06-24 11:47 AM a little close for me as well. Why not cross her back on scorcho?
She is crossed back on Scorcho. I'm thinking of a cross for a potential stallion prospect and runner for myself. I highly doubt I would sell this foal filly or stud. It is an intimidating cross.
Then I say go for it! (Just don't blame me if it comes out with 5 legs and 2 heads! Just kidding ). Seriously that pedigree would not scare me unless of course there is some kind of conformation issue with the line or if they are known to be really hot, fragile minded, or something like that.
The Heza Fast Dash's are not hot and he has been my favorite stallion here for years. I've had two and I've seen 1000 (not really) and they all look nice to me. Stud and mare have very nice conformation......and I could have the only 5 legged stallion on the market :) |
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Location: Midwest | Whiteboy - 2014-06-24 11:51 AM Do you people not realize that HFD is pretty much the hottest thing in racing right now? To breed him to a 3/4 sister. I would guarantee that horse would sell in a heartbeat.
I agree.
From a genetics perspective, I probably would not risk it myself (this close)
There are a lot of issues in human patients regarding familial genetic "problems" when cousins intermarry. (common in many cultures).
Sometimes, folks have areas in their genetic makeup which are not diverse enough, dubbed "LOH"'s or Loss of heterozygosity. Sometimes, it meants nothing... other times, it can be a severe congenital deformity. I'm not sure how it works with horses though! |
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Location: Sperry, OK | LRQHS - 2014-06-24 12:10 PM Jenbabe - 2014-06-24 11:59 AM LRQHS - 2014-06-24 11:54 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2014-06-24 11:47 AM a little close for me as well. Why not cross her back on scorcho?
She is crossed back on Scorcho. I'm thinking of a cross for a potential stallion prospect and runner for myself. I highly doubt I would sell this foal filly or stud. It is an intimidating cross.
Then I say go for it! (Just don't blame me if it comes out with 5 legs and 2 heads! Just kidding ). Seriously that pedigree would not scare me unless of course there is some kind of conformation issue with the line or if they are known to be really hot, fragile minded, or something like that.
I bet he could run faster and turn tighter too! LOL!
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Location: Midwest | I'm still rooting for you to breed to FWOTR or Judge Cash..... JS |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | barrelracr131 - 2014-06-24 12:15 PM I'm still rooting for you to breed to FWOTR or Judge Cash..... JS
....but, the Noholme lol..... |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Besides, If it's retarded, it could just be your horse, Alison :):);) |
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Location: Midwest | LRQHS - 2014-06-24 12:24 PM Besides, If it's retarded, it could just be your horse, Alison :):);)
LMAO.... well I tagged you on that stud that was an own son of The Signature... |
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Location: Montana | Personally, no. There was a mare for sale here locally that was double bred Texas High Dasher...he was the sire and grandsire on the bottom if I remember correctly...but a definite turn off for me. I don't mind line breeding, just not that close up.
But if you'd like, you can send me one of your nice foals for an early birthday gift.  Never mind my birthday isn't until November, LOL. |
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Location: Midwest | I like this better: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bdr+colt
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He's getting kind of old. |
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Location: Midwest | LRQHS - 2014-06-24 12:42 PM He's getting kind of old.
Yeah... so more incentive to stand an son....
or this one... but not as much.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/justa+finer+shine+colt+42 |
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I like that cross too...if I had the $$$ I'd cross my mare on Judge Cash. But that would be a very nice cross! |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | mtcanchazer - 2014-06-24 12:54 PM I like that cross too...if I had the $$$ I'd cross my mare on Judge Cash. But that would be a very nice cross!
If I had the money, we'd be going visit Corona Cartel lol. |
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http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/dtf+bdr |
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It is very sweet.......sooooooooo, who wants to help chip in a couple dollars for the breeding fee? Remember, every dollar counts :) |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | LRQHS - 2014-06-24 12:20 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-06-24 12:15 PM I'm still rooting for you to breed to FWOTR or Judge Cash..... JS
....but, the Noholme lol.....
Don't get your BB's confused. I'm the one that isn't a Noholme fan..LOL |
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Location: Midwest | Nevertooold - 2014-06-24 1:29 PM LRQHS - 2014-06-24 12:20 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-06-24 12:15 PM I'm still rooting for you to breed to FWOTR or Judge Cash..... JS
....but, the Noholme lol.....
I like him
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Nevertooold - 2014-06-24 1:29 PM LRQHS - 2014-06-24 12:20 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-06-24 12:15 PM I'm still rooting for you to breed to FWOTR or Judge Cash..... JS
....but, the Noholme lol.....
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| barrelracr131 - 2014-06-24 12:14 PM Whiteboy - 2014-06-24 11:51 AM Do you people not realize that HFD is pretty much the hottest thing in racing right now? To breed him to a 3/4 sister. I would guarantee that horse would sell in a heartbeat. I agree.
From a genetics perspective, I probably would not risk it myself (this close)
There are a lot of issues in human patients regarding familial genetic "problems" when cousins intermarry. (common in many cultures).
Sometimes, folks have areas in their genetic makeup which are not diverse enough, dubbed "LOH"'s or Loss of heterozygosity. Sometimes, it meants nothing... other times, it can be a severe congenital deformity. I'm not sure how it works with horses though!
Generally those issues only occure after several generations of inbreeding. These two horses while close are not close enough to cause a problem, and if it were you could still sell the horse for a pretty penny to a research university to study. Look at the thoroughbred industy, they are only now concerned about this after they have been doing it for 100 years. It shouldn't be done over and over, but in this case it is not a issue. I guarantee it. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Whiteboy - 2014-06-24 1:35 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-06-24 12:14 PM Whiteboy - 2014-06-24 11:51 AM Do you people not realize that HFD is pretty much the hottest thing in racing right now? To breed him to a 3/4 sister. I would guarantee that horse would sell in a heartbeat. I agree.
From a genetics perspective, I probably would not risk it myself (this close)
There are a lot of issues in human patients regarding familial genetic "problems" when cousins intermarry. (common in many cultures).
Sometimes, folks have areas in their genetic makeup which are not diverse enough, dubbed "LOH"'s or Loss of heterozygosity. Sometimes, it meants nothing... other times, it can be a severe congenital deformity. I'm not sure how it works with horses though!
Yay!!! I love Whiteboy! lol |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | ...except the part where I could sell my retarded horse to a University to study.....that wouldn't be cool. Giving it to Alison would be much better. |
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Location: Midwest | Whiteboy - 2014-06-24 1:35 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-06-24 12:14 PM Whiteboy - 2014-06-24 11:51 AM Do you people not realize that HFD is pretty much the hottest thing in racing right now? To breed him to a 3/4 sister. I would guarantee that horse would sell in a heartbeat. I agree.
From a genetics perspective, I probably would not risk it myself (this close)
There are a lot of issues in human patients regarding familial genetic "problems" when cousins intermarry. (common in many cultures).
Sometimes, folks have areas in their genetic makeup which are not diverse enough, dubbed "LOH"'s or Loss of heterozygosity. Sometimes, it meants nothing... other times, it can be a severe congenital deformity. I'm not sure how it works with horses though!
I don't know much about horses... I know more about people in that aspect.
It's amazing how many people still marry their cousins these days.... |
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| barrelracr131 - 2014-06-24 1:41 PM Whiteboy - 2014-06-24 1:35 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-06-24 12:14 PM Whiteboy - 2014-06-24 11:51 AM Do you people not realize that HFD is pretty much the hottest thing in racing right now? To breed him to a 3/4 sister. I would guarantee that horse would sell in a heartbeat. I agree.
From a genetics perspective, I probably would not risk it myself (this close)
There are a lot of issues in human patients regarding familial genetic "problems" when cousins intermarry. (common in many cultures).
Sometimes, folks have areas in their genetic makeup which are not diverse enough, dubbed "LOH"'s or Loss of heterozygosity. Sometimes, it meants nothing... other times, it can be a severe congenital deformity. I'm not sure how it works with horses though!
It's amazing how many people still marry their cousins these days....
Haha, So I live in a very small town. The only way for girl to guarantee she won't have to move away is to marry a local boy. The problem is that they are all cousins. My rule: if a girl is going to marry somebody, she better have to change her last name. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I sooooo don't find any of my cousins attractive enough to marry.....call me a Louisiana Oddball if you want..... |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | LRQHS - 2014-06-24 1:54 PM I sooooo don't find any of my cousins attractive enough to marry.....call me a Louisiana Oddball if you want.....
....now, my brother is hot.....but, not my cousins. |
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| LRQHS - 2014-06-24 1:55 PM LRQHS - 2014-06-24 1:54 PM I sooooo don't find any of my cousins attractive enough to marry.....call me a Louisiana Oddball if you want..... ....now, my brother is hot.....but, not my cousins.
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Location: Midwest | Whiteboy - 2014-06-24 1:56 PM LRQHS - 2014-06-24 1:55 PM LRQHS - 2014-06-24 1:54 PM I sooooo don't find any of my cousins attractive enough to marry.....call me a Louisiana Oddball if you want..... ....now, my brother is hot.....but, not my cousins.
LOL.... this is why I live in the north
And I can sympathize...everyone in my small town is liekly related too (except for me and the other transplants), but these are like first cousins marrying in other cultures (in todays world).... yuck |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | barrelracr131 - 2014-06-24 2:01 PM Whiteboy - 2014-06-24 1:56 PM LRQHS - 2014-06-24 1:55 PM LRQHS - 2014-06-24 1:54 PM I sooooo don't find any of my cousins attractive enough to marry.....call me a Louisiana Oddball if you want..... ....now, my brother is hot.....but, not my cousins.
And I can sympathize...everyone in my small town is liekly related too (except for me and the other transplants), but these are like first cousins marrying in other cultures (in todays world).... yuck
Quit hating on the South lol if it wasn't for us no one would have ever tried to suck the brains out of a crawfish..... |
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Location: Midwest | LRQHS - 2014-06-24 2:05 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-06-24 2:01 PM Whiteboy - 2014-06-24 1:56 PM LRQHS - 2014-06-24 1:55 PM LRQHS - 2014-06-24 1:54 PM I sooooo don't find any of my cousins attractive enough to marry.....call me a Louisiana Oddball if you want..... ....now, my brother is hot.....but, not my cousins.
And I can sympathize...everyone in my small town is liekly related too (except for me and the other transplants), but these are like first cousins marrying in other cultures (in todays world).... yuck
Ummmm yeah
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | barrelracr131 - 2014-06-24 2:17 PM LRQHS - 2014-06-24 2:05 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-06-24 2:01 PM Whiteboy - 2014-06-24 1:56 PM LRQHS - 2014-06-24 1:55 PM LRQHS - 2014-06-24 1:54 PM I sooooo don't find any of my cousins attractive enough to marry.....call me a Louisiana Oddball if you want..... ....now, my brother is hot.....but, not my cousins.
And I can sympathize...everyone in my small town is liekly related too (except for me and the other transplants), but these are like first cousins marrying in other cultures (in todays world).... yuck
good luck with that
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | LRQHS - 2014-06-24 2:28 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-06-24 2:17 PM LRQHS - 2014-06-24 2:05 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-06-24 2:01 PM Whiteboy - 2014-06-24 1:56 PM LRQHS - 2014-06-24 1:55 PM LRQHS - 2014-06-24 1:54 PM I sooooo don't find any of my cousins attractive enough to marry.....call me a Louisiana Oddball if you want..... ....now, my brother is hot.....but, not my cousins.
And I can sympathize...everyone in my small town is liekly related too (except for me and the other transplants), but these are like first cousins marrying in other cultures (in todays world).... yuck
good luck with that
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | barrelracr131 - 2014-06-24 2:33 PM Hmmm.... brains.... I guess I'll try anything once! lol
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Shoot, Sterling is always saying that if she ever comes visit that she is going to make me eat her Goolash.......now, if I have to eat that Northern crap somebody needs to eat some crawfish brains......that's all I'm saying lol. |
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Location: Vinton, La. | No. And if I were looking at that pedigree in a sales catalog for a racing prospect, I would turn the page.
Ask me about my 2 year filly, Bigtime Mistske, that I buried last year and her being inbred.
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| Bigtime mistake - 2014-06-24 2:50 PM No. And if I were looking at that pedigree in a sales catalog for a racing prospect, I would turn the page. Ask me about my 2 year filly, Bigtime Mistske, that I buried last year and her being inbred. Mel
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Okay, I'm going to be odd man out and side with Whiteboy on this. Overall I'm not a big fan of breeding that close, but some of the best horses out there are results of careful crosses of favorite lines. California Chrome himself is an example. You can't even develop a breed in the first place without doing this. I know a lot of foundation lines people especially in the Northwest like Hancock crosses. Realizing this is the reality of the situation, and I'm totally in love with the Shawne Bug line I've seriously considered crossing my own daughter with Shawne Bug Leo or Takin on Shawne (love his bottom side). I'd say go for it, and I want to see pictures when it turns out beautiful. And if it has a fifth hoof growing out of its forehead. Well, I'd like to see those pictures too. |
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Location: Texas | I think that would be a nice cross. I have a mare bred like that but I didn't look at her papers before I bought her. Just knew she was double bred Dash For Cash but didn't know she had joint ill as a foal so that eliminated any kind of plans for riding. Here's her pedigree. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/helix+nebula |
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| SwishMiss - 2014-06-25 11:13 AM I would say NO. Id never buy something that looked like that on paper. There are always people out there who will like the same thing you do, and people who don't. So its up to you but .. .. I'd much rather see some rate in there. I've had a signature mare looks like a lunatic brew to me.
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | Whiteboy - 2014-06-24 10:51 AM Do you people not realize that HFD is pretty much the hottest thing in racing right now? To breed him to a 3/4 sister. I would guarantee that horse would sell in a heartbeat.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | oija - 2014-06-24 1:20 PM Okay, I'm going to be odd man out and side with Whiteboy on this. Overall I'm not a big fan of breeding that close, but some of the best horses out there are results of careful crosses of favorite lines. California Chrome himself is an example. You can't even develop a breed in the first place without doing this. I know a lot of foundation lines people especially in the Northwest like Hancock crosses. Realizing this is the reality of the situation, and I'm totally in love with the Shawne Bug line I've seriously considered crossing my own daughter with Shawne Bug Leo or Takin on Shawne (love his bottom side). I'd say go for it, and I want to see pictures when it turns out beautiful. And if it has a fifth hoof growing out of its forehead. Well, I'd like to see those pictures too.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | I personally don't have the cajones to do that close of a breeding. But if the horse itself was a really good individual, I wouldn't even skip a beat at buying it for breeding purposes if I could afford it. My stallion is linebred to Jet Deck and he's the most consistent producer I've ever seen, in a good way.  |
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Location: Texas | love the stallion and the mare, just not sure i would cross them on each other |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | OregonBR - 2014-06-25 3:05 PM I personally don't have the cajones to do that close of a breeding. But if the horse itself was a really good individual, I wouldn't even skip a beat at buying it for breeding purposes if I could afford it. My stallion is linebred to Jet Deck and he's the most consistent producer I've ever seen, in a good way.
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If you could, would you make this cross?