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Location: Peach State | Ive seen it asked a lot on here about the differences between the two models so when I was cleaning the tack room I took a few pics for you guys :)
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Which saddle do you like better?
Are your biothane leather stirrup straps worn and frayed? |
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Location: Peach State | I like the jackie on my ratey horse bc I have to stay up and hustle him to his pocket, yet I hve a very free runner who drops his down and digs around a barrel and I really like the security of the tammy for his runs.
Yes the straps are starting to fray but u haven't gettin around to calling about fixing that yet |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | RunninOnARooster - 2014-06-28 3:23 PM I like the jackie on my ratey horse bc I have to stay up and hustle him to his pocket, yet I hve a very free runner who drops his down and digs around a barrel and I really like the security of the tammy for his runs. Yes the straps are starting to fray but u haven't gettin around to calling about fixing that yet
Makes sense.
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Location: Somewhere around here | This is amazing!! Thank you so much! I know that I wanted one of these for my next saddle but I always leaned more toward the Tammy because I like a higher cantle, but seeing this I like how the Jackie's horn is taller. Ergh, now I'm still wanting both lol!! |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | cecollins0811 - 2014-06-28 9:08 PM This is amazing!! Thank you so much! I know that I wanted one of these for my next saddle but I always leaned more toward the Tammy because I like a higher cantle, but seeing this I like how the Jackie's horn is taller. Ergh, now I'm still wanting both lol!!
The horn lengths are an option on both saddles. |
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Location: Peach State | The tammy is wide fit, and I think the jackie is too but not sure since I bought it from a tack store and didn't order it. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | RunninOnARooster - 2014-06-28 10:00 PM The tammy is wide fit, and I think the jackie is too but not sure since I bought it from a tack store and didn't order it.
Thanks..
There is a W within the serial number for the wide tree. |
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Location: In a happy place | Nevertooold - 2014-06-28 9:58 PM cecollins0811 - 2014-06-28 9:08 PM This is amazing!! Thank you so much! I know that I wanted one of these for my next saddle but I always leaned more toward the Tammy because I like a higher cantle, but seeing this I like how the Jackie's horn is taller. Ergh, now I'm still wanting both lol!! The horn lengths are an option on both saddles.
Oh. Cause I like taller horns. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | sorrel horse ranch - 2014-06-29 1:04 PM Nevertooold - 2014-06-28 9:58 PM cecollins0811 - 2014-06-28 9:08 PM This is amazing!! Thank you so much! I know that I wanted one of these for my next saddle but I always leaned more toward the Tammy because I like a higher cantle, but seeing this I like how the Jackie's horn is taller. Ergh, now I'm still wanting both lol!! The horn lengths are an option on both saddles.
Edited by Nevertooold 2014-06-29 1:52 PM
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | There isn't a W in the serial number so I'm know trying to figure out what in the serial number dictates whether it's a Wide or Regular tree. Anyone know? |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Nevertooold - 2014-06-30 12:32 PM There isn't a W in the serial number so I'm know trying to figure out what in the serial number dictates whether it's a Wide or Regular tree. Anyone know?
05 is wide. 04 is regular. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2014-06-30 12:56 PM Nevertooold - 2014-06-30 12:32 PM There isn't a W in the serial number so I'm know trying to figure out what in the serial number dictates whether it's a Wide or Regular tree. Anyone know? 05 is wide. 04 is regular.
Thanks!
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| Thanks for the pictures! 
It's nice to see the side by side comparison. |
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Location: Canada | What width do you guys find fits a wider variety of horses? Do you guys find these roll as much or less than the bob marshalls? |
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Location: Alabama | I just really want to know if you can truly get up in the Jackie. I rode a Tammy Friday and simply couldn't get up. When you stand the pomel pushes you right back down. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Sockittoemred - 2014-07-20 8:48 PM I just really want to know if you can truly get up in the Jackie. I rode a Tammy Friday and simply couldn't get up. When you stand the pomel pushes you right back down.
Per Jackie..
Yes, Tammy and I both are a new treeless saddle that is made by Circle Y. Both saddles are made the exact same but have a different pommel and cantle so they ride and sit differently according to what each of us prefers. This gives barrel racers out there a choice with treeless saddles to accommodate different riding styles and needs. Tammy's saddle has a higher pommel and cantle and sits 'deeper' for those who need that extra to help you not get thrown back in a turn. My saddle has a lower pommel and a cantle that is slightly tipped backwards to sit you more on your pockets. I designed my saddle this way to still have the feel open a treeless seat but to help a barrel racer 'get up' coming out of a barrel and be able to hustle. Those are the main differences between Tammy's saddle and my saddle.
As for the new changes in the Circle Y treeless saddles in general. Circle Y approached us about helping them make version of the treeless saddle that was 'new and improved' our minds. Circle Y did make a version of the sport saddle years ago that they were not happy with so they discontinued the line. At that time they were working around patent issues and they could not make the exact saddle they wanted. Now that the patent has expired, Circle Y felt like they could make the treeless saddle that they wanted. That is where Tammy and I came in. Circle Y came to us with a prototype and asked for our help. After months of working with them and many many prototypes we have all put our minds together and come up with an end result we are all very proud of and we feel like is the best treeless saddle on the market. I am very proud to put my name on this new product and very proud to be associated with a company like Circle Y who values the barrel racers opinion and has such incredibly high standards of quality.
Chanes are as follows and I think will answer most questions posted on this thread. If not, you can contact me and I will be willing to answer any questions you may have.
#1 Seat change.....There is now a bicycle size piece of firmer foam put into the seat. The problem we are addressing with this change is breakdown in the seat. This firmer piece will help our saddles hold their original shape and size, and prevent 'wrinkles' from forming in the seat. After doing this and now riding my Circle Y I really think this was a phenomenal change. It makes the integrity of the saddle feel much better under you without loosing the treeless feel.
#2 Fenders/Chap...... Yes there is a hole between the seat of the saddle and the fender. NO it does NOT pinch. It is quite the contrary actually. The issue we were addressing with this change was rolling up of the chap/fender, pinching in the leg and the 'balled up' feeling under you knee and repair issues if ever needed down the road. We eliminated the 'chap' which was a half moon shaped piece of bulky leather that hit right under your knee. I, personally, being a short person, didn't like the way it pushed my legs out. I also did not like that my fenders would roll up then pinch me. I was sick of permanent bruises of the insides of my calves. The new Circle Y fenders feel smooth under your legs so that your legs hang down in a much more comfortable way. Also, we made a change to the way the fenders tie into the saddle so if ever there needs to be a repair made to your saddle the entire saddle does not have to be ripped apart to make the repair. This helps hold the integrity of the saddle upon repair.
#3 Rigging.......Our concern was getting the fenders to hang correctly for barrel racing and all functions specifically for our sport. We made changes to address the fenders being too 'swingy' and the fact that you can too easily get your feet WAY behind you and get your balance out of wack. As barrel racers we need our stirrups step slightly forward, this helps with balance and stability. Both my saddle and Tammy's saddle have our rigging set in this slightly forward position instead of straight up and down. We also changed the way the rigging is designed for stability reasons. I don't want my legs to be able to swing clear back to a horses hip, I don't want my feet that far behind me. Our new rigging works along with the girth for better stability. We worked very closely with Circle Y because we wanted full range of motion with our stirrups (if you have ever watched Tammy or I run you know we lift our legs both forward and backwards to miss barrels on a regular basis) but we wanted more stability to prevent 'over' doing any movement which would not be beneficial at full speed in a competition run.
#4 Consistency.....Our concern was working closely in developing a product that could be EXACTLY duplicated time and time again to provide consistency between saddles when working with a true treeless saddle. Circle Y's technology, in my opinion, is unmatched in this area. I was absolutely amazed when I toured their facility. As a matter of fact if you are ever in the Yoakum, TX area and you get some time, stop in and take the tour!!!
#5 Quality.....The tooling on this new saddle is absolutely amazing, the quality of the components is unmatched and the end result is a saddle that turns heads!!! Not only is it an eye catcher but it is made for the long run too!!!
#6 Custom Options.....You can change the designs in the seat if you want to make it your 'own' saddle. If you can imagine it Circle Y can do it. BUT, the saddle is set up for barrel racers in mind. Actual changes to the set up of the saddle are no longer up to the customer. I have way too many times run into problems when a person made a change trying to make a saddle better and that is EXACTLY why they hated their saddle. Like I said before the differences in Tammy's set up and my set up give you two choices on how the saddle sits and ultimately rides. We think we have covered the spectrum to accommodate all needs. Added new options when ordering for each person are horn size (short and medium), oil finish choice (ultra lite or regular), and saddle fit (medium or wide). YES there is a choice on fit of the width of this saddle!!!! In general, the average horse with a defined wither takes a medium fit. A wide fit is for the horse with a foundation build, wide shoulders, or mutton wither.
#7 Order Turn Over and Price.....The wait time at Circle Y is 3-4 weeks to get your new saddle, or for a custom order 6 weeks. Circle Y has the ability to keep this number low even as volume of this new saddle increases without quality decreasing. Circle Y (which includes Tucker trail saddles) is the largest producing saddle company on the market. It was important to both Tammy and I to get theses saddles out to the customer on a reasonable turn around time while still maintaining the highest quality. As of right now, since the saddle lines are brand new, there is only the 'fancier' model being made. They are fully tooled, have crystals embedded in the skirt and over the cantle, have crystal conchos and cut outs in the seat. Even 'all decked out' this saddle is $1799. We think this is an outstanding price!!! Down the road there will be other tooling options, ect for a less expensive saddle. We just wanted to launch and get this product we are so proud of available ASAP
As I have said before, I will be happy to answer any questions I did not address above. I am super proud of this new saddle.
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Location: Alabama | Thank you for reposting that. It is a good read. However I still have the same question. Can you or anyone in general actually get up in the Jackie? Like stand up straight in your stirrups if need be. I'm afraid from looking at pics that the pomel is still at the wrong angle and will throw me back on my pockets. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Sockittoemred - 2014-07-21 7:57 AM Thank you for reposting that. It is a good read. However I still have the same question. Can you or anyone in general actually get up in the Jackie? Like stand up straight in your stirrups if need be. I'm afraid from looking at pics that the pomel is still at the wrong angle and will throw me back on my pockets.
I haven't run in mine but I also never had problems getting up and out of a Bob Marshall and the Jackie feels a lot more stable to me. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I've been thinking about this and I found years ago that people that tried to pull themselves up out of a treeless saddle it didn't work. The saddle horn came back to you. I always used my legs to push myself up along with using the horn more as a balance point.
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Location: Peach State | I can stand in mine, and I can ride forward around a barrel on horses that are very ratey |
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| Anyone recommend a pad for the Tammy? I bought a Circle Y Dropped Front wool/felt contoured pad when I purchased the saddle thinking it would work for the way the rigging is dropped on the saddle compared to a tree'd, but its just not quite dropped/wide enough and on top of it I really don't like it!!  It seems to move around a lot under the saddle. I had to buy smaller cinches which I expected but the pad just doesn't seem to ride right with this saddle to me. Thanks!!
My opinion on the saddle.......I'm still undecided after almost a year. Sometimes I love it, sometimes I hate it. It is hard to 'get up' out of but I have a mare that I really just need to stay seated with and need that extra security. She's quick and catty and the deep seat makes me feel secure but at the same time she will plow a barrel so it is important to get up with her to push her past it. Which is what's making me undecided...I would really love to find a tree'd saddle with this kind of deep seat but so far I have had no luck. I am not a huge fan of how the stirrup leathers are made and the mile long girth strap. I can not use the holes in the strap, even tried to make new ones but still just wont tighten right, so I have to tie it like I have always done on my tree'd saddles.....it makes saddling a bit of a pain. |
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