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Location: Scurry, TX | I never hear about all the great things that Dinero and his get have accomplished. This is an amazing stud who out produces himself all the time. Why doesn't he get the press of say your Frenchmans Guy horses?
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Location: WI | No comparison - FG has sired earners winning $4.09M and Dinero $981k |
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Location: Scurry, TX | FG has more get on the ground than Dinero.
I am not saying one is better than the other.
I asked, why with all that this sire has done and what his get has done, barrel racing, roping, bull doggin, etc...
There is not more hype on this great stallion
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| linds - 2014-07-01 2:09 PM
No comparison - FG has sired earners winning $4.09M and Dinero $981k
Does that include rodeo winnings? Just cerious it seems low. |
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Location: Deep South | From what I've heard about the Dinero get, they mature fairly late and take a lot of riding compared to your average colts. Even Stingray is getting better and better with age.
Flame away if you wish, but it's my opinion that "out produces himself all the time" is a bit of an exaggeration when it comes to this stud. He's had a couple of really nice barrel horses out of phenomenal producing mares. In my opinion, there are better options for a $3,000 stud fee. |
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Location: Deep South | linds - 2014-07-01 3:09 PM
No comparison - FG has sired earners winning $4.09M and Dinero $981k
The Potter Ranch website states that his get have won a combined $2.3million |
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Location: Kansas | linds - 2014-07-01 3:09 PM No comparison - FG has sired earners winning $4.09M and Dinero $981k
From my understanding......Dinero has a LTE of over $400k himself.....his get have a combined LTE of over $2 million
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Location: The edge of no where | BamaCanChaser - 2014-07-01 3:22 PM
linds - 2014-07-01 3:09 PM
No comparison - FG has sired earners winning $4.09M and Dinero $981k
The Potter Ranch website states that his get have won a combined $2.3million
It's including roping/bulldogging..... not just barrels.
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Location: Scurry, TX | The numbers of less than 1 million are very low. And no way could include rodeo money Stingray has earned that much in her career.
And Dinero himself has won close to a half million
FG has more colts out there but if you look at percentage of winnings per colt you will find a different picture.
I am not bashing FG He is a great horse. But Dinero is as equally as great .
And if you had ever run against him,or any of his get, you would not say Dinero was not as good.
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| According to equistat as of March 27, 2014:
Frenchmans guy has produced $4,095,692 and 505 performers
PC Frenchmans Hayday produced $981,050 and 54 performers (includes Stingray at $443,906)
This would include the rodeo earnings since equistat started recording them, as well as futurity and derby earnings. But in my opinion what sets these horses apart is the the ability for FG to consistantly produce top runners. While Dinero has only 3 that I know of that have exceeded $10,000 in equistat earnings. FG also has 32% of all foals contributing to total earnings while Dinero only has 10% of his foals contributing.
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Location: The edge of no where | BamaCanChaser - 2014-07-01 3:20 PM From what I've heard about the Dinero get, they mature fairly late and take a lot of riding compared to your average colts. Even Stingray is getting better and better with age.
Flame away if you wish, but it's my opinion that "out produces himself all the time" is a bit of an exaggeration when it comes to this stud. He's had a couple of really nice barrel horses out of phenomenal producing mares. In my opinion, there are better options for a $3,000 stud fee.
^This.
He's a nice horse, just not my pick for a barrel stud (that's jmo).
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Location: WI | My number was from Equi-Stat Barrel Racing which I don't think includes rodeos. I wasn't trying to say one was better than the other. Money won talks and Meyers do an excellent job marketing - they have 1 of the biggest sales of the year and fit their horses to perfection. Go to both their websites or flip through a BHN mag and you will see the difference in marketing. |
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Location: Kansas | linds - 2014-07-01 3:41 PM My number was from Equi-Stat Barrel Racing which I don't think includes rodeos. I wasn't trying to say one was better than the other. Money won talks and Meyers do an excellent job marketing - they have 1 of the biggest sales of the year and fit their horses to perfection. Go to both their websites or flip through a BHN mag and you will see the difference in marketing.
I agree....I have noticed that the potter's ask reasonable amounts for the offspring of dinero......even mares infoal to him were going for $3,000. I like both stallions regardless, I like the versality of Dinero babies, and I love the speed of a FG offspring (also with how smart, and quick witted they are) |
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Location: The edge of no where | Alamo1 - 2014-07-01 3:25 PM The numbers of less than 1 million are very low. And no way could include rodeo money Stingray has earned that much in her career.
And Dinero himself has won close to a half million
FG has more colts out there but if you look at percentage of winnings per colt you will find a different picture.
I am not bashing FG He is a great horse. But Dinero is as equally as great .
And if you had ever run against him,or any of his get, you would not say Dinero was not as good.
What makes you think we haven't run against and watched several of his get? (I have, my opinion doesn't change).
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Location: Deep South | Whiteboy - 2014-07-01 3:38 PM
According to equistat as of March 27, 2014:
Frenchmans guy has produced $4,095,692 and 505 performers
PC Frenchmans Hayday produced $981,050 and 54 performers (includes Stingray at $443,906)
This would include the rodeo earnings since equistat started recording them, as well as futurity and derby earnings. But in my opinion what sets these horses apart is the the ability for FG to consistantly produce top runners. While Dinero has only 3 that I know of that have exceeded $10,000 in equistat earnings. FG also has 32% of all foals contributing to total earnings while Dinero only has 10% of his foals contributing.
Thank you for this!
The $2.3million that the Potter's have posted is obviously including multiple events. Some people look for versatility in a stud, I am not one of those people. I barrel race, that is what I look for in a producer, and for that reason, I don't see them as comparable studs. |
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Location: Scurry, TX | After thinking about the marketing statement, i believe that is exactly why. Always love to ask questions here, usually get great answers.
Yes i have been to the Fg website, yes i have seen his get, yes i have been to the sales, yes, yes, yes . He is an awesome horse no question!
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| Whiteboy - 2014-07-01 3:57 PM
On that note a good roper can make $10,000 on a poor horse in a single weekend. Comparing roping money to barrel money is a joke.
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On that note a good roper can make $10,000 on a poor horse in a single weekend. Comparing roping money to barrel money is a joke.
Is sue like to know where I can win 10K in a weekend on a poor rope horse id be all over that like a dirty shirt! |
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| della - 2014-07-01 4:40 PM Whiteboy - 2014-07-01 2:57 PM On that note a good roper can make $10,000 on a poor horse in a single weekend. Comparing roping money to barrel money is a joke. Is sue like to know where I can win 10K in a weekend on a poor rope horse id be all over that like a dirty shirt!
are you a good roper? |
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| I own a daughter of Dinero that Potters bred. She is extremely smart, however she does tend to be hot and you teach her something and let it be, can't harass her about it or be super repetitious. That being said, she is young (5yr old) I ride her about 4 times a week and don't notice a difference if I miss a few days she works the same. I am a fan though, on her 5th time being entered she clocked top of the 2D (loping to first) and the winner of the 1D was a go round winner of the diamonds and dirt futurity and there were over 100 entries in the open.
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Location: The edge of no where | Whiteboy - 2014-07-01 4:49 PM della - 2014-07-01 4:40 PM Whiteboy - 2014-07-01 2:57 PM On that note a good roper can make $10,000 on a poor horse in a single weekend. Comparing roping money to barrel money is a joke. Is sue like to know where I can win 10K in a weekend on a poor rope horse id be all over that like a dirty shirt!
Have you ever watched an #9 or lower roping?
http://wstroping.com/form-83-shelley-productions.html
Here's a link to just one example of a World Series ropings.....
Here's a link to the finale in Vegas of the #13.... These are NOT pros. It's handicapped at a 13.
http://wstroping.com/form-11-13-cactus-saddlery-finale-8.html
and yes, I've watched LOTS of these....get into the 9 and under and you've only got to catch! (and don't fall off)
It's like a 6D in a barrel race.
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| MS2011 - 2014-07-01 5:00 PM Whiteboy - 2014-07-01 4:49 PM della - 2014-07-01 4:40 PM Whiteboy - 2014-07-01 2:57 PM On that note a good roper can make $10,000 on a poor horse in a single weekend. Comparing roping money to barrel money is a joke. Is sue like to know where I can win 10K in a weekend on a poor rope horse id be all over that like a dirty shirt!
Here's a link to just one example of a World Series ropings.....
Here's a link to the finale in Vegas of the #13.... These are NOT pros. It's handicapped at a 13.
http://wstroping.com/form-11-13-cactus-saddlery-finale-8.html
and yes, I've watched LOTS of these....get into the 9 and under and you've only got to catch! (and don't fall off )
It's like a 6D in a barrel race.
To average just over 9 second per head and still win $200,000.
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Whiteboy - 2014-07-01 4:49 PM della - 2014-07-01 4:40 PM Whiteboy - 2014-07-01 2:57 PM On that note a good roper can make $10,000 on a poor horse in a single weekend. Comparing roping money to barrel money is a joke. Is sue like to know where I can win 10K in a weekend on a poor rope horse id be all over that like a dirty shirt! http://wstroping.com/form-83-shelley-productions.html Here's a link to just one example of a World Series ropings..... Here's a link to the finale in Vegas of the #13.... These are NOT pros. It's handicapped at a 13.http://wstroping.com/form-11-13-cactus-saddlery-finale-8.html and yes, I've watched LOTS of these....get into the 9 and under and you've only got to catch! (and don't fall off ) It's like a 6D in a barrel race.
Ive been to lots of ropings where the roper couldent c eatch. Dosent mean the horse sucks.
And nope im a awful roper my horses get me where I need to be and somehow the rope just falls on. All he credit to my pony carrying me :-)
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| Dinero has never hit big in the futurity industry. Not everyone rodeos and those that drive the industry really look to those futurity colts that are winning when it comes time to bred, buy, and sale. A big factor is that they are late to mature. |
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| Whiteboy - 2014-07-01 4:35 PM
A good roper will make a bad horse look good. A good horse will make a bad roper look decent. A good horse will make a good roper look like Clay Tryan.
O yes I agree completely with you.
I just consider a pour horse the ones that dont get you even close, its pretty tight if you have to reach 20ft with 25ft rope. Or the ones that are goin left before your ropes even left your hand. Or the ones that buck you off come come out the box. LoL
We have been lucky lots before, my husband's a great roper and hes won rodeos with +5th and been the only teem to rope so they got all the money.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Doesn't make a difference how much a stud's get makes if they tend to be not very user friendly. There is a reason that your FWF sons make great stallions...They are very user friendly. JMO |
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| Nevertooold - 2014-07-01 6:13 PM
Doesn't make a difference how much a stud's get makes if they tend to be not very user friendly. There is a reason that your FWF sons make great stallions...They are very user friendly. JMO
I agree with this. I think the horses worth the real cash are horses that are user friendly and thats no different for stallion prospects. I dont have any personal experience with Dinero or FG horses but one is quirky, i could see that being a big reason. |
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Location: Desert Land | I have only owned/ridden one horse by Dinero. He was very sweet, but quirky. Now I don't know if that's because of how the people treated him that I got him from or if that's just how he was. The breeder said he was not like that when she had him, so I feel like some of his issues were man made. BUT he definaitely was young and immature - still is as he is only a 4 yr old. I'd be curious to see how he finishes out. |
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Location: Kansas | Whiteboy - 2014-07-01 5:35 PM A good roper will make a bad horse look good. A good horse will make a bad roper look decent. A good horse will make a good roper look like Clay Tryan.
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Location: Scurry, TX | Futurity winners are awesome but you need a horse that can go for the long haul. Rodeo or open horses have to be able to last. Too many futurity horses end up blown up and are burnt out before they are 10 years old. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Alamo1 - 2014-07-02 4:59 PM Futurity winners are awesome but you need a horse that can go for the long haul. Rodeo or open horses have to be able to last. Too many futurity horses end up blown up and are burnt out before they are 10 years old. That's true but there is so much money to be won in futurities and people want their return quick...Not 10 years down the road. It's just the way it is.
Like I said...Many of his get are not user friendly and why put up with it when you can breed to a horse that produces winners and are easy to get along with for a cheaper stud fee?. It is what it is. It took the Potter's quite a while before they found a winning combo for Sherry and now they know what crosses well with him but in reality...those mares would probably cross well with a jackass.
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Location: where ever my L/Q trl is parked | Has anyone taken a FG mare and bred to Dinero? Are there any get out there performing with this particular cross? Since they both have some great attributes seems like someone would have tried this cross. |
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Location: Prosser, WA | Alamo1 - 2014-07-02 2:59 PM
Futurity winners are awesome but you need a horse that can go for the long haul. Rodeo or open horses have to be able to last. Too many futurity horses end up blown up and are burnt out before they are 10 years old.
But really Frenchmans Guy offspring excel at both. Both nice studs but there really is no comparison. |
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| Alamo1 - 2014-07-03 2:59 PM
Futurity winners are awesome but you need a horse that can go for the long haul. Rodeo or open horses have to be able to last. Too many futurity horses end up blown up and are burnt out before they are 10 years old.
That thought is out of date and untrue of most horses |
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Location: Loma Linda, CA | This is probably the worst question ever to ask but what does PC stand for...
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Location: Arizona | Nevertooold - 2014-07-02 7:11 PM
Alamo1 - 2014-07-02 4:59 PM Futurity winners are awesome but you need a horse that can go for the long haul. Rodeo or open horses have to be able to last. Too many futurity horses end up blown up and are burnt out before they are 10 years old. That's true but there is so much money to be won in futurities and people want their return quick...Not 10 years down the road. It's just the way it is.
Like I said...Many of his get are not user friendly and why put up with it when you can breed to a horse that produces winners and are easy to get along with for a cheaper stud fee?. It is what it is. It took the Potter's quite a while before they found a winning combo for Sherry and now they know what crosses well with him but in reality...those mares would probably cross well with a jackass.
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Location: Denver, but a Nebraska native -- GO BIG RED!!! | PC is for Pat Cowan (I believe) who owned Sun Frost. And FG and Dinero and are half brothers so crossing a daughter of one to the other would be a little close. Maybe worth a try though. Who knows! : ) |
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Location: The edge of no where | Alamo1 - 2014-07-02 4:59 PM Futurity winners are awesome but you need a horse that can go for the long haul. Rodeo or open horses have to be able to last. Too many futurity horses end up blown up and are burnt out before they are 10 years old.
Lots of rodeo horses had very successful futurity careers..... No, they don't all last, but your statement is very very dated.
Why do you worry about this so much? Do you have a Dinero baby that you're trying to sell? Since you're so high on him, go buy one if you want.....our opinions on it really shouldn't matter if you've got your mind made up. |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | Aqhaczy - 2014-07-02 6:29 PM Has anyone taken a FG mare and bred to Dinero? Are there any get out there performing with this particular cross? Since they both have some great attributes seems like someone would have tried this cross. We bought a 2x Sunfrost mare in foal to Dinero last summer and sold her early this year within a hour of putting her on one of the FB sale pages. She foaled a yellow horse colt after 366 days for the buyer. Late bloomers or not, the Dinero babies seem very marketable :)
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sunny+money4
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Location: Kansas | teehaha - 2014-07-03 9:19 AM Aqhaczy - 2014-07-02 6:29 PM Has anyone taken a FG mare and bred to Dinero? Are there any get out there performing with this particular cross? Since they both have some great attributes seems like someone would have tried this cross. We bought a 2x Sunfrost mare in foal to Dinero last summer and sold her early this year within a hour of putting her on one of the FB sale pages. She foaled a yellow horse colt after 366 days for the buyer. Late bloomers or not, the Dinero babies seem very marketable :)
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sunny+money4
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | I've never been within eyesight of a live Dinero baby. I have had several FG decendants. The reason I "think" people aren't talking about Dinero progeny is because of the above. I've never had one, never even seen one in person and I think a big reason for that is his stud fee from the get go was out of reach for most people even if you were willing to give him a try. When I bred to FG his fee was $1000. He stood for that for several years and got a whole slug of babies on the ground. The last year I tried to breed to him his fee jumped to $1500 and he was breeding 100+ mares a year. When Potters started Dinero out his fee was pretty high. I don't remember exactly how high but at least $2K if not $2500. That's why there isn't anyone talking about them. Nobody has one because they don't want to breed to him at that stud fee for what he had done at that point. I feel the same about JL Dash Ta Heaven. He performed but his fee is way too high to get many breeders. JMHO |
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2014-07-03 9:48 AM
teehaha - 2014-07-03 9:19 AM Aqhaczy - 2014-07-02 6:29 PM Has anyone taken a FG mare and bred to Dinero? Are there any get out there performing with this particular cross? Since they both have some great attributes seems like someone would have tried this cross. We bought a 2x Sunfrost mare in foal to Dinero last summer and sold her early this year within a hour of putting her on one of the FB sale pages. She foaled a yellow horse colt after 366 days for the buyer. Late bloomers or not, the Dinero babies seem very marketable :)
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sunny+money4
Thanks! We bought the mare in foal from Teehaha this past April. I bought for the versatility that I believe this colt will have. I think Dinero may be overpriced at $3k and I know this isnt a $20k colt but I didnt buy looking for a futurity prospect. I can also already tell he will be a handful because at 6 days old he's already a little shi*. Its all in what you like and get along with. |
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I think the Potter's are quiet smart in the price tag they have on his stud fee, it weeds out the "tire kicker" breeders i guess you could say, and with less foals on the ground and being bred to most decent or well bred mares, it makes owning one that more special! (atleast i think my baby is special  )
I'm a fan of both Dinero and frenchman's guy offspring, and i personally think their talent level is pretty comparable.
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Location: Scurry, TX | Please verify user friendly for me. I have not come accross any of his get that are hard to get a long with. Please explain |
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Location: Scurry, TX | That is a common sense statement.
What i was looking for with this question was a good debate and not a lot of hate and nasty comments.
I think both horses are great, equally great.
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Location: torrington, wy | The talk on fg is his strong maternal side,with that being said who has the better mom? Was FG not advertised as being related to Bozo? I'm just trying to fiqure out if Dinero or FG has the better dam? I also think the owners have had very different plans for the horses. Potter's want versitile horses and aren't that worried about futurities, if they were I can qurantee the out come would be different. FG is in it for the futurities and $'s. Neither is wrong it's just the difference in one owner and the other. I have yet to see a son or daughter of FG do what Stingray has done in the rodeo world, but have not seen futurity horses by him done what the FG have done. I would like to know how many starters they each had and what they got done. Not just the ones that have won money. Like the race horses # of starters # of money earners etc. |
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| tebar - 2014-07-03 5:38 PM
The talk on fg is his strong maternal side,with that being said who has the better mom? Was FG not advertised as being related to Bozo? I'm just trying to fiqure out if Dinero or FG has the better dam? I also think the owners have had very different plans for the horses. Potter's want versitile horses and aren't that worried about futurities, if they were I can qurantee the out come would be different. FG is in it for the futurities and $'s. Neither is wrong it's just the difference in one owner and the other. I have yet to see a son or daughter of FG do what Stingray has done in the rodeo world, but have not seen futurity horses by him done what the FG have done. I would like to know how many starters they each had and what they got done. Not just the ones that have won money. Like the race horses # of starters # of money earners etc.
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Location: California | tebar - 2014-07-03 2:38 PM The talk on fg is his strong maternal side,with that being said who has the better mom? Was FG not advertised as being related to Bozo? I'm just trying to fiqure out if Dinero or FG has the better dam? I also think the owners have had very different plans for the horses. Potter's want versitile horses and aren't that worried about futurities, if they were I can qurantee the out come would be different. FG is in it for the futurities and $'s. Neither is wrong it's just the difference in one owner and the other. I have yet to see a son or daughter of FG do what Stingray has done in the rodeo world, but have not seen futurity horses by him done what the FG have done. I would like to know how many starters they each had and what they got done. Not just the ones that have won money. Like the race horses # of starters # of money earners etc.
I agree, this post is spot on. I just shake my head when people talk about his stud fee being too high? I think he has earned it. Heck, he's even ran at the NFR himself, let alone full brother to Bozo, sire of Stingray, and sired horses who have broke arena records, plus he is such a good athlete he's competed professionally at the pro rodeo level in three different events..... So I guess I just personally don't see a problem with the stud fee.. I don't know if I understand the "User friendly" comment. Maybe it's not the horse thats lacking, but the horsemanship that's lacking?? Not meaning to flame but I honestly do not understand that. Dinero, FG, Sun Frost, Driftwood, all those great lines just make me think of a horse with a great mind? Please don't read that in a bad tone, just discussing    |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | *almost there* - 2014-07-03 10:22 PM tebar - 2014-07-03 2:38 PM The talk on fg is his strong maternal side,with that being said who has the better mom? Was FG not advertised as being related to Bozo? I'm just trying to fiqure out if Dinero or FG has the better dam? I also think the owners have had very different plans for the horses. Potter's want versitile horses and aren't that worried about futurities, if they were I can qurantee the out come would be different. FG is in it for the futurities and $'s. Neither is wrong it's just the difference in one owner and the other. I have yet to see a son or daughter of FG do what Stingray has done in the rodeo world, but have not seen futurity horses by him done what the FG have done. I would like to know how many starters they each had and what they got done. Not just the ones that have won money. Like the race horses # of starters # of money earners etc. I agree, this post is spot on. I just shake my head when people talk about his stud fee being too high? I think he has earned it. Heck, he's even ran at the NFR himself, let alone full brother to Bozo, sire of Stingray, and sired horses who have broke arena records, plus he is such a good athlete he's competed professionally at the pro rodeo level in three different events..... So I guess I just personally don't see a problem with the stud fee.. I don't know if I understand the "User friendly" comment. Maybe it's not the horse thats lacking, but the horsemanship that's lacking?? Not meaning to flame but I honestly do not understand that. Dinero, FG, Sun Frost, Driftwood, all those great lines just make me think of a horse with a great mind? Please don't read that in a bad tone, just discussing
The comment was made that his stud fee was very high before he was proven and is why many people passed on him in the beginning. Value is Value.
Far as user friendly..That was my comment. Take for example the sons of FWF that are standing at stud and are running. I've been around numerous ones and you would never know they are studs. They are just easy to get along with and are people pleasers. I've seen and owned a gelded son that would go out and babysit a timid rider and then go back and win the 1-D. That is a user friendly horse and why wouldn't anyone want one of those over a broncy horse? I love it when I hear people talk about their young horses that just seemed to go out and train themselves. |
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Location: Prosser, WA | Alamo1 - 2014-07-03 11:13 AM
That is a common sense statement.
What i was looking for with this question was a good debate and not a lot of hate and nasty comments.
I think both horses are great, equally great.
Just wanted to know about the lack of buzz about Dinero
I think you got just what you asked for. I didn't see any snarky posts just ones that differ from your opinion. But you asked for our opinions and that's what you got. No more no less. I'm sure you will have lots of fun with your Dinero babies and that is great too. |
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Location: Prosser, WA | Itsme - 2014-07-04 6:34 AM
FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate...
But not Dash Ta Fame? LOL. You just don't like blondes? |
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Location: My own little world! | kakbarrelracer - 2014-07-05 6:56 AM
Itsme - 2014-07-04 6:34 AM
FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate...
But not Dash Ta Fame? LOL. You just don't like blondes?
Tee hee.............
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| *almost there* - 2014-07-03 10:22 PM tebar - 2014-07-03 2:38 PM The talk on fg is his strong maternal side,with that being said who has the better mom? Was FG not advertised as being related to Bozo? I'm just trying to fiqure out if Dinero or FG has the better dam? I also think the owners have had very different plans for the horses. Potter's want versitile horses and aren't that worried about futurities, if they were I can qurantee the out come would be different. FG is in it for the futurities and $'s. Neither is wrong it's just the difference in one owner and the other. I have yet to see a son or daughter of FG do what Stingray has done in the rodeo world, but have not seen futurity horses by him done what the FG have done. I would like to know how many starters they each had and what they got done. Not just the ones that have won money. Like the race horses # of starters # of money earners etc. I agree, this post is spot on. I just shake my head when people talk about his stud fee being too high? I think he has earned it. Heck, he's even ran at the NFR himself, let alone full brother to Bozo, sire of Stingray, and sired horses who have broke arena records, plus he is such a good athlete he's competed professionally at the pro rodeo level in three different events..... So I guess I just personally don't see a problem with the stud fee.. I don't know if I understand the "User friendly" comment. Maybe it's not the horse thats lacking, but the horsemanship that's lacking?? Not meaning to flame but I honestly do not understand that. Dinero, FG, Sun Frost, Driftwood, all those great lines just make me think of a horse with a great mind? Please don't read that in a bad tone, just discussing
FG is by Sun Fros out of Frenchmans Lady (by Laughing Boy) who is a dgtr of the Loiseau foundation mare Caseys Ladylove. Bozo, Frenchmans Mark, PC Frenchman and Dinero are by Sun Frost out of a Caseys Lady Love dgtr as well (Caseys Charm by Tiny Circus). So the genetics share a large amount of similarities. Frenchmans Fabulous actually brings in Tiny Circus and another shot of the great Lady Love mare.
We don' have any own sons or dgtrs of FG or the Dinero/Mark/PC Frenchmans horses but have multiple Sun Frost grand get, FG grand get and PC Sun Socks sons/dgtrs. I will say that we have never had one that was anything but user friendly. We are around a lot of own sons/dgtrs of FG and the Bozo stallions and some are tougher than other but there are sure a lot of kids, "senior race" riders and recreational riders that get along with them. Sure there are going to be some snort thrown in there but with that large a sample theres bound to be.
As far as Potters taking a long time to find a winner for her to ride I have no idea her stats over the years but I will say most NEVER find one, much less multiples that perform at that level much less out of their own program.
I'm probably a little biased but tried to be fair with this soap box. Love em, hate em, whatever sometimes its hard for both sides to see the big pic.
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Location: WYOMING | I remember the OTMR horses being calld non user friendly. Truth was, or at least my experiences were, they were highly intuitive, smart and didnt put up with or need a lot of drilling. A lot of folks drill and nitpik then label the frustated horse non user friendly. Just my guess that perhaps Dinero babies are similar to this.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Itsme - 2014-07-04 8:34 AM FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate...
Never fear...The Tres Seis horses will be the next must have breeding.
It's pretty hard not to want a horse that can run, turn and most anyone can ride plus be a dream to haul down the road.
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Location: Way up North | Honestly I think a lot of it comes down to marketing. FG owners, IMO, have pushed his advertising more. They hold back some really nice progeny, make sure they have the right kind of foundation, then sell them through their sale that brings in tons of "the right people". They are able to set up at least a few progeny from every foal crop to have the chance at success.
I don't think the Potter's have wanted to get as many mares under Dinero. When you think about it breeding is their hobby, not their main source of income. They have had less incentive to really push him and by setting his fee high they weed out a lot of the people and make the hassle worth their time. They sell his progeny off the ranch for very reasonable prices but most aren't even started so it becomes the new owner's responsibility to get the right kind of foundation on them and get them on the right track which can be really hard to do in some locations with any kind of horse.
I don't think FG or Dinero get are for everyone but that goes for every line. Everybody likes something a little different and trains a little different. |
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| Itsme - 2014-07-04 8:34 AM FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate...
And like illegal immigrants, most of them work their arse off ;) |
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| Nevertooold - 2014-07-04 5:55 PM
Itsme - 2014-07-04 8:34 AM FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate...
Never fear...The Tres Seis horses will be the next must have breeding.
It's pretty hard not to want a horse that can run, turn and most anyone can ride plus be a dream to haul down the road.
Do the owners have enough money to make him in demand?
I have a friend thats going to futurity one in 2015. |
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| Itsme - 2014-07-04 10:21 PM
Nevertooold - 2014-07-04 5:55 PM
Itsme - 2014-07-04 8:34 AM FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate...
Never fear...The Tres Seis horses will be the next must have breeding.
It's pretty hard not to want a horse that can run, turn and most anyone can ride plus be a dream to haul down the road.
Do the owners have enough money to make him in demand?
I have a friend thats going to futurity one in 2015.
Tres Seis get are already in demand and becoming popular because of their ability... Much like FG and FWF. |
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| *almost there* - 2014-07-03 10:22 PM
tebar - 2014-07-03 2:38 PM The talk on fg is his strong maternal side,with that being said who has the better mom? Was FG not advertised as being related to Bozo? I'm just trying to fiqure out if Dinero or FG has the better dam? I also think the owners have had very different plans for the horses. Potter's want versitile horses and aren't that worried about futurities, if they were I can qurantee the out come would be different. FG is in it for the futurities and $'s. Neither is wrong it's just the difference in one owner and the other. I have yet to see a son or daughter of FG do what Stingray has done in the rodeo world, but have not seen futurity horses by him done what the FG have done. I would like to know how many starters they each had and what they got done. Not just the ones that have won money. Like the race horses # of starters # of money earners etc.
I agree, this post is spot on. I just shake my head when people talk about his stud fee being too high? I think he has earned it. Heck, he's even ran at the NFR himself, let alone full brother to Bozo, sire of Stingray, and sired horses who have broke arena records, plus he is such a good athlete he's competed professionally at the pro rodeo level in three different events..... So I guess I just personally don't see a problem with the stud fee.. I don't know if I understand the "User friendly" comment. Maybe it's not the horse thats lacking, but the horsemanship that's lacking?? Not meaning to flame but I honestly do not understand that. Dinero, FG, Sun Frost, Driftwood, all those great lines just make me think of a horse with a great mind? Please don't read that in a bad tone, just discussing
The same can be said for Beduinos. I like them. |
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But im cerious if you owner Dinero (not directed at anybody just in general so anybody can chime in) what would you set his stud fee at?
And are there any other stallions who have competed sucessfuly at a pro level in multiple events and go on to sire multiple winners in multiple events? I find that very impressive, Espicaly as breeders are getting most and more focused on a specific discipline. |
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Location: torrington, wy | Nevertooold - 2014-07-04 5:55 PM Itsme - 2014-07-04 8:34 AM FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate... Never fear...The Tres Seis horses will be the next must have breeding.
It's pretty hard not to want a horse that can run, turn and most anyone can ride plus be a dream to haul down the road.
I agree i would love to have bred to him. Nice nice horse. |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | bennie1 - 2014-07-04 9:24 PM Itsme - 2014-07-04 10:21 PM Nevertooold - 2014-07-04 5:55 PM Itsme - 2014-07-04 8:34 AM FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate... Never fear...The Tres Seis horses will be the next must have breeding.
It's pretty hard not to want a horse that can run, turn and most anyone can ride plus be a dream to haul down the road. Do the owners have enough money to make him in demand? I have a friend thats going to futurity one in 2015. Tres Seis get are already in demand and becoming popular because of their ability... Much like FG and FWF.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Itsme - 2014-07-04 10:21 PM Nevertooold - 2014-07-04 5:55 PM Itsme - 2014-07-04 8:34 AM FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate... Never fear...The Tres Seis horses will be the next must have breeding.
It's pretty hard not to want a horse that can run, turn and most anyone can ride plus be a dream to haul down the road.
Do the owners have enough money to make him in demand? I have a friend thats going to futurity one in 2015.
They don't have to. The owners of his get are proving it in the barrel pen just like FWF himself and his get did along with DTF. The great ones find homes in knowledgeable hands and they do the advertising for them. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | teehaha - 2014-07-05 11:32 AM bennie1 - 2014-07-04 9:24 PM Itsme - 2014-07-04 10:21 PM Nevertooold - 2014-07-04 5:55 PM Itsme - 2014-07-04 8:34 AM FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate... Never fear...The Tres Seis horses will be the next must have breeding.
It's pretty hard not to want a horse that can run, turn and most anyone can ride plus be a dream to haul down the road.
Do the owners have enough money to make him in demand? I have a friend thats going to futurity one in 2015. Tres Seis get are already in demand and becoming popular because of their ability... Much like FG and FWF.
You sure would know all about that and lost a great one. So glad you were able to collect a good amount of semen from him so he can carry on.
Everyone I've been around has the great minds like the FWF but I would say they bring more speed with them. They seem to be crotch rockets..LOL |
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| Didn't MP Haypatch Tiger do well in futurities? Sired by Dinero. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | teehaha - 2014-07-05 11:32 AM bennie1 - 2014-07-04 9:24 PM Itsme - 2014-07-04 10:21 PM Nevertooold - 2014-07-04 5:55 PM Itsme - 2014-07-04 8:34 AM FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate... Never fear...The Tres Seis horses will be the next must have breeding.
It's pretty hard not to want a horse that can run, turn and most anyone can ride plus be a dream to haul down the road.
Do the owners have enough money to make him in demand? I have a friend thats going to futurity one in 2015. Tres Seis get are already in demand and becoming popular because of their ability... Much like FG and FWF.
And today one of Slim's sons proved my Crotch Rocket comment. SI 108 on his first out! |
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Location: OH. IO | Nevertooold - 2014-07-04 6:55 PM Itsme - 2014-07-04 8:34 AM FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate... Never fear...The Tres Seis horses will be the next must have breeding.
It's pretty hard not to want a horse that can run, turn and most anyone can ride plus be a dream to haul down the road.
 I agree 100 percent!!!! |
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Location: Denver, but a Nebraska native -- GO BIG RED!!! | Fabulous and Dinero are out of the same mare I believe... |
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Location: The edge of no where | Nevertooold - 2014-07-04 5:55 PM Itsme - 2014-07-04 8:34 AM FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate... Never fear...The Tres Seis horses will be the next must have breeding.
It's pretty hard not to want a horse that can run, turn and most anyone can ride plus be a dream to haul down the road.
I really would like one of these... Love that horse! I just can't swing the $6,800 stud fee.
Also think that Triple Vodka's babies will be very very nice. There've been some great horses with Tres Seis on top and Stoli on bottom.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | MS2011 - 2014-07-09 7:46 AM Nevertooold - 2014-07-04 5:55 PM Itsme - 2014-07-04 8:34 AM FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate... Never fear...The Tres Seis horses will be the next must have breeding.
It's pretty hard not to want a horse that can run, turn and most anyone can ride plus be a dream to haul down the road.
Also think that Triple Vodka's babies will be very very nice. There've been some great horses with Tres Seis on top and Stoli on bottom.
Triple Vodka has some really nice babies on the ground. Can't wait to see what they do. |
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