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Why should anyone own an "assault weapon"?
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"We're sending assault weapons to rebels in Syria to confront a regime that does not represent them."

- Barack Hussein Obama

"There is no reason any American should own an assault weapon."

- Barack Hussein Obama

Really, Mr President? Hmmmm.....let's examine these statements together.
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I wish I had an assault weapon..... 
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Sorry those are so big...

We are not going to top these guys from confiscating our registered guns using our pump shotguns and revolvers.
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I can't argue whether we should or shouldn't...however, I'd darn sure can debate over any governing body that imposes itself against the right to choose.   
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 Guess he has never been wild hog hunting
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Itsme - 2014-07-07 12:37 PM Sorry those are so big... We are not going to top these guys from confiscating our registered guns using our pump shotguns and revolvers.

Yep.  Police have them.  Military has them.  Criminals have them.  I need them. 
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TXBO - 2014-07-07 12:55 PM

Itsme - 2014-07-07 12:37 PM Sorry those are so big... We are not going to top these guys from confiscating our registered guns using our pump shotguns and revolvers.

Yep.  Police have them.  Military has them.  Criminals have them.  I need them. 

So we don't end up like the Jews in Nazi Germany.
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TXBO - 2014-07-07 11:55 AM
Itsme - 2014-07-07 12:37 PM Sorry those are so big... We are not going to top these guys from confiscating our registered guns using our pump shotguns and revolvers.
Yep.  Police have them.  Military has them.  Criminals have them.  I need them. 

I don't feel I need them...YET. But I have them because I can and they are super fun. I hunt to put meat in the freezer (not with an AR of course) but I do shoot for fun too. 
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Itsme - 2014-07-07 12:37 PM Sorry those are so big... We are not going to top these guys from confiscating our registered guns using our pump shotguns and revolvers.

Yep.  Police have them.  Military has them.  Criminals have them.  I need them. 

So we don't end up like the Jews in Nazi Germany.

Even Australia.

Its best to have them and not need them vs needing them and not having them
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Reg. Dec 2007
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So why is it so important to arm citizens in another country so they can fight a tyrannical regime, yet prohibit United States citizens from owning assault weapons to protect against a tyrannical regime right here at home? Anyone here brave enough to address that glaring inconsistency?
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 Happy to say I own several. Also happy to say I'm fully capable of hitting a moving target at over 1000 yards with all three of my long range rifles. He won't take my home, my horses, my guns, my God, or my freedom. Period. I would dare say I'm ready to defend my family. 
The advantages of dating a Marine and coming from a family of them... You learn a few tactics to protect yourself while they are away. 


Those statements are prime examples of why I fear for our Country's future. God has blessed America, It's time our People realize that.

Rant over...
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Itsme - 2014-07-07 12:37 PM Sorry those are so big... We are not going to top these guys from confiscating our registered guns using our pump shotguns and revolvers.
Yep.  Police have them.  Military has them.  Criminals have them.  I need them. 
So we don't end up like the Jews in Nazi Germany.
Even Australia. Its best to have them and not need them vs needing them and not having them

 
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IRunOnFaith - 2014-07-07 1:40 PM  Happy to say I own several. Also happy to say I'm fully capable of hitting a moving target at over 1000 yards with all three of my long range rifles. He won't take my home, my horses, my guns, my God, or my freedom. Period. I would dare say I'm ready to defend my family. 

The advantages of dating a Marine and coming from a family of them... You learn a few tactics to protect yourself while they are away. 




Those statements are prime examples of why I fear for our Country's future. God has blessed America, It's time our People realize that.



Rant over...

Amen

And to address the "issue" the people need to make a stand and take our country back. PERIOD 
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Reg. Nov 2012
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I have one, just in case something ever needs assaulted.
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missroselee - 2014-07-07 12:09 PM Embarrasing..... 

As well as hypocritical.
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I went in WALMART in Marshall TX about a week ago and a guy was asking about some rifle. He was told it was in the back and had to have a lock put on it before they could bring it out. (I thought he said AK 47) He and the salesperson were standing beside a small gun case that was filled with assault rifles. I just glanced at the price and they were $1600 and up. These were DEFINANTLY NOT HUNTING RIFLES. The guy said he wanted to buy the gun right then. We don't do a background check anymore?????


This is the same WALMART that I was in about 10 years ago and a guy was flippin out because something was wrong with his background check and the store manager told the salesperson to just go ahead and give the guy the gun. She told him "NO, you do it." He was buying a shotgun. It was in the middle of the summer and not near hunting season.


If you want your own assault rifle just head down to your local WALMART and they should be able to fix you up. I just wanted a Swiss army knife for my key chain!
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Reg. Feb 2012
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Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 4:14 PM

I went in WALMART in Marshall TX about a week ago and a guy was asking about some rifle. He was told it was in the back and had to have a lock put on it before they could bring it out. (I thought he said AK 47) He and the salesperson were standing beside a small gun case that was filled with assault rifles. I just glanced at the price and they were $1600 and up. These were DEFINANTLY NOT HUNTING RIFLES. The guy said he wanted to buy the gun right then. We don't do a background check anymore?????


This is the same WALMART that I was in about 10 years ago and a guy was flippin out because something was wrong with his background check and the store manager told the salesperson to just go ahead and give the guy the gun. She told him "NO, you do it." He was buying a shotgun. It was in the middle of the summer and not near hunting season.


If you want your own assault rifle just head down to your local WALMART and they should be able to fix you up. I just wanted a Swiss army knife for my key chain!

I'd bet that there was a lot missing from what you heard. They have to put locks on firearms before allowing somebody to handle them in case the customer brought loose ammo and decided to load it and go to town in the store. They absolutely still run checks to buy fire arms, and I'm fairly certain you can't buy an AK-47 at Walmart.

Also, the bit about buying a firearm "nowhere close to hunting season", is silly. If you plan to hunt with something, you'd better have it well in advance to sight in and practice with. Even among the very high quality firearms - everything shoots a bit differently.

ETA: it was probably an AR-15 which is the civilian version of the military's M-16. The biggest difference being that the AR-15 is semi-auto, while the M-16 is full-auto.

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You entirely missed the point here about the background check. Why would the guy have to have the shotgun "right now" to go practice????? He could not wait until the background check came back???? Like a couple of days????? Around here we don't practice with our shotguns anyway AND we don't practice with our custom made deer rifles in 105 degree temps because it gets the barrels too hot. Most of the people at the rifle range shoot well enough and so don't really NEED practice.

I live in TEXAS. We just don't practice shooting. Most of us have been shooting since we could walk. Guns are an extension of our arm.

Better add that there IS a law that says you DO have to PASS a background check BEFROE the purchase of the gun.

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Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 5:50 PM You entirely missed the point here about the background check. Why would the guy have to have the shotgun "right now" to go practice????? He could not wait until the background check came back???? Like a couple of days????? Around here we don't practice with our shotguns anyway AND we don't practice with our custom made deer rifles in 105 degree temps because it gets the barrels too hot. Most of the people at the rifle range shoot well enough and so don't really NEED practice. I live in TEXAS. We just don't practice shooting. Most of us have been shooting since we could walk. Guns are an extension of our arm. Better add that there IS a law that says you DO have to PASS a background check BEFROE the purchase of the gun.

 Maybe he needed to pepper some dog butts that were harassing his livestock.
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I bet it was an AR type of rifle. Somewhat similar to an AK. You can get them at Wally world. My dad bought one of his there. I also bet they have to do a back ground check. I'm not sure how long that would take, maybe if the dude wanted it, he has to put some money down to hold it pending his background check. 
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Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 5:50 PM

You entirely missed the point here about the background check. Why would the guy have to have the shotgun "right now" to go practice????? He could not wait until the background check came back???? Like a couple of days????? Around here we don't practice with our shotguns anyway AND we don't practice with our custom made deer rifles in 105 degree temps because it gets the barrels too hot. Most of the people at the rifle range shoot well enough and so don't really NEED practice.

I live in TEXAS. We just don't practice shooting. Most of us have been shooting since we could walk. Guns are an extension of our arm.

Better add that there IS a law that says you DO have to PASS a background check BEFROE the purchase of the gun.

I also wonder why he doesn't want to wait for background check, however I am in south Texas and all during dove season we have 100 degree heat and have no problems with our guns getting too hot. Skeet shooting is a big deal, even in the middle of summer. A lot of people participate in shooting as a sport down here, even in 4-H.
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Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 5:50 PM

You entirely missed the point here about the background check. Why would the guy have to have the shotgun "right now" to go practice????? He could not wait until the background check came back???? Like a couple of days????? Around here we don't practice with our shotguns anyway AND we don't practice with our custom made deer rifles in 105 degree temps because it gets the barrels too hot. Most of the people at the rifle range shoot well enough and so don't really NEED practice.

I live in TEXAS. We just don't practice shooting. Most of us have been shooting since we could walk. Guns are an extension of our arm.

Better add that there IS a law that says you DO have to PASS a background check BEFROE the purchase of the gun.

I didn't miss anything...

The checks that they do before buying a gun only take like 15 minutes here in Oregon and they do them right there. You can either wait around or go run an errand and come back - so I was confused what the problem was with him buying the gun "right then" was. Do they take much longer in Texas? I honestly have no clue. I just assumed the same digital/online check was performed state to state.

I'm aware that there IS a law requiring somebody to pass a background check - I've done it a lot, even though I'm not from Texas.

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Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 5:50 PM You entirely missed the point here about the background check. Why would the guy have to have the shotgun "right now" to go practice????? He could not wait until the background check came back???? Like a couple of days????? Around here we don't practice with our shotguns anyway AND we don't practice with our custom made deer rifles in 105 degree temps because it gets the barrels too hot. Most of the people at the rifle range shoot well enough and so don't really NEED practice. I live in TEXAS. We just don't practice shooting. Most of us have been shooting since we could walk. Guns are an extension of our arm. Better add that there IS a law that says you DO have to PASS a background check BEFROE the purchase of the gun.
I also wonder why he doesn't want to wait for background check, however I am in south Texas and all during dove season we have 100 degree heat and have no problems with our guns getting too hot. Skeet shooting is a big deal, even in the middle of summer. A lot of people participate in shooting as a sport down here, even in 4-H.

yes here in our bad a$$ state of Wyoming (I am joking) we shoot skeet with shotguns whenever we get a chance. I take out prairie dogs with an SKS just because I can. We also shoot our hunting rifles whenever we get together and want to. The heat has never bothered a barrel, you shoot responsible and take care of your weapon. You learn that first thing with a semi-auto. And dang it stinks when the prairie dogs are on the run.

That is the wonderful thing about America. Anyone who wants a gun (that can lawfully have one) HAS one. I also missed that he didn't want to wait on a background check, I am glad they have those personally, weeds out some of the nut jobs. Although if anyone wants a firearm bad enough they will get one. 
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txaggiegal - 2014-07-07 6:43 PM Wild hogs and the government, the other white meat!

 
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HotbearLVR - 2014-07-07 12:07 PM "We're sending assault weapons to rebels in Syria to confront a regime that does not represent them." - Barack Hussein Obama "There is no reason any American should own an assault weapon." - Barack Hussein Obama Really, Mr President? Hmmmm.....let's examine these statements together.

Back to the original point.  Barry been sending weapons of all sorts, through Eric Holder, into conflcts that really have nothing to do with us and usually in the wrong side of things ayway.  because he was he side he is supplying to have a "legitimate shot at freedom."  In that same vein he does not want us to have them because with the populace having access to them, it makes a governmental take over of this country next to immpossible reguardless of how good our military is.  And a quick news flash on that, the 4 major branches of he military is on our side.   
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Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 5:50 PM You entirely missed the point here about the background check. Why would the guy have to have the shotgun "right now" to go practice????? He could not wait until the background check came back???? Like a couple of days????? Around here we don't practice with our shotguns anyway AND we don't practice with our custom made deer rifles in 105 degree temps because it gets the barrels too hot. Most of the people at the rifle range shoot well enough and so don't really NEED practice. I live in TEXAS. We just don't practice shooting. Most of us have been shooting since we could walk. Guns are an extension of our arm. Better add that there IS a law that says you DO have to PASS a background check BEFROE the purchase of the gun.

 I think you missed some details.  No way they can sell a gun without a background check and most only take. 15 minutes even in Texas
Oh and hunting?  There is no season on varmit hunting

Its season is 365 days a year
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SG. - 2014-07-07 10:25 PM

Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 5:50 PM You entirely missed the point here about the background check. Why would the guy have to have the shotgun "right now" to go practice????? He could not wait until the background check came back???? Like a couple of days????? Around here we don't practice with our shotguns anyway AND we don't practice with our custom made deer rifles in 105 degree temps because it gets the barrels too hot. Most of the people at the rifle range shoot well enough and so don't really NEED practice. I live in TEXAS. We just don't practice shooting. Most of us have been shooting since we could walk. Guns are an extension of our arm. Better add that there IS a law that says you DO have to PASS a background check BEFROE the purchase of the gun.

 I think you missed some details.  No way they can sell a gun without a background check and most only take. 15 minutes even in Texas
Oh and hunting?  There is no season on varmit hunting

Its season is 365 days a year

no you missed something there was a PROBLEM with his background check. He was creating such a scene that the store manager was called. HE SAID just give the guy the gun. The salesperson told the manager "You take care of it" The salesperson was way more concerned about breaking a law than the store manager.

I was standing there waiting for the sporting goods person to get an ice chest down when the guy showed up and was creating such a scene that the sales person had to wait on him. Then the manager was called they had already run a background check and she said there was a problem. As I said before he apparently did not PASS the check. It really does not matter exactly how long it takes to actually run the check.
Do you really think that he would be throwing a fit to go shoot varmits. Also, we generally shoot varmit RIFLES,but then we are pretty good with our weapons.
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VonDigger - 2014-07-07 8:33 PM
HotbearLVR - 2014-07-07 12:07 PM "We're sending assault weapons to rebels in Syria to confront a regime that does not represent them." - Barack Hussein Obama "There is no reason any American should own an assault weapon." - Barack Hussein Obama Really, Mr President? Hmmmm.....let's examine these statements together.
Back to the original point.  Barry been sending weapons of all sorts, through Eric Holder, into conflcts that really have nothing to do with us and usually in the wrong side of things ayway.  because he was he side he is supplying to have a "legitimate shot at freedom."  In that same vein he does not want us to have them because with the populace having access to them, it makes a governmental take over of this country next to immpossible reguardless of how good our military is.  And a quick news flash on that, the 4 major branches of he military is on our side.   

Can we say the same thing about the 'UN' military?
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Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 5:50 PM You entirely missed the point here about the background check. Why would the guy have to have the shotgun "right now" to go practice????? He could not wait until the background check came back???? Like a couple of days????? Around here we don't practice with our shotguns anyway AND we don't practice with our custom made deer rifles in 105 degree temps because it gets the barrels too hot. Most of the people at the rifle range shoot well enough and so don't really NEED practice. I live in TEXAS. We just don't practice shooting. Most of us have been shooting since we could walk. Guns are an extension of our arm. Better add that there IS a law that says you DO have to PASS a background check BEFROE the purchase of the gun.
 I think you missed some details.  No way they can sell a gun without a background check and most only take. 15 minutes even in Texas

Oh and hunting?  There is no season on varmit hunting


Its season is 365 days a year
no you missed something there was a PROBLEM with his background check. He was creating such a scene that the store manager was called. HE SAID just give the guy the gun. The salesperson told the manager "You take care of it" The salesperson was way more concerned about breaking a law than the store manager. I was standing there waiting for the sporting goods person to get an ice chest down when the guy showed up and was creating such a scene that the sales person had to wait on him. Then the manager was called they had already run a background check and she said there was a problem. As I said before he apparently did not PASS the check. It really does not matter exactly how long it takes to actually run the check. Do you really think that he would be throwing a fit to go shoot varmits. Also, we generally shoot varmit RIFLES,but then we are pretty good with our weapons.

 Did you  think this was a standard Appessment approach to this type of situation   Did they let the man have the gun?   
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Also Texas has some pretty well paying varmint hunts And if hogs were tearing up my field I would be impatient as well Guess we will never know the real reason But I bet this was a stall tactic until officers could arrive to help with the situation I doubt they let him walk out with a gun
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Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 4:14 PM I went in WALMART in Marshall TX about a week ago and a guy was asking about some rifle. He was told it was in the back and had to have a lock put on it before they could bring it out. (I thought he said AK 47) He and the salesperson were standing beside a small gun case that was filled with assault rifles. I just glanced at the price and they were $1600 and up. These were DEFINANTLY NOT HUNTING RIFLES. The guy said he wanted to buy the gun right then. We don't do a background check anymore????? This is the same WALMART that I was in about 10 years ago and a guy was flippin out because something was wrong with his background check and the store manager told the salesperson to just go ahead and give the guy the gun. She told him "NO, you do it." He was buying a shotgun. It was in the middle of the summer and not near hunting season. If you want your own assault rifle just head down to your local WALMART and they should be able to fix you up. I just wanted a Swiss army knife for my key chain!
I'd bet that there was a lot missing from what you heard. They have to put locks on firearms before allowing somebody to handle them in case the customer brought loose ammo and decided to load it and go to town in the store. They absolutely still run checks to buy fire arms, and I'm fairly certain you can't buy an AK-47 at Walmart. Also, the bit about buying a firearm "nowhere close to hunting season", is silly. If you plan to hunt with something, you'd better have it well in advance to sight in and practice with. Even among the very high quality firearms - everything shoots a bit differently. ETA: it was probably an AR-15 which is the civilian version of the military's M-16. The biggest difference being that the AR-15 is semi-auto, while the M-16 is full-auto.

Hunting? What does that have to do with it>






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Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 4:14 PM I went in WALMART in Marshall TX about a week ago and a guy was asking about some rifle. He was told it was in the back and had to have a lock put on it before they could bring it out. (I thought he said AK 47) He and the salesperson were standing beside a small gun case that was filled with assault rifles. I just glanced at the price and they were $1600 and up. These were DEFINANTLY NOT HUNTING RIFLES. The guy said he wanted to buy the gun right then. We don't do a background check anymore????? This is the same WALMART that I was in about 10 years ago and a guy was flippin out because something was wrong with his background check and the store manager told the salesperson to just go ahead and give the guy the gun. She told him "NO, you do it." He was buying a shotgun. It was in the middle of the summer and not near hunting season. If you want your own assault rifle just head down to your local WALMART and they should be able to fix you up. I just wanted a Swiss army knife for my key chain!
I'd bet that there was a lot missing from what you heard. They have to put locks on firearms before allowing somebody to handle them in case the customer brought loose ammo and decided to load it and go to town in the store. They absolutely still run checks to buy fire arms, and I'm fairly certain you can't buy an AK-47 at Walmart. Also, the bit about buying a firearm "nowhere close to hunting season", is silly. If you plan to hunt with something, you'd better have it well in advance to sight in and practice with. Even among the very high quality firearms - everything shoots a bit differently. ETA: it was probably an AR-15 which is the civilian version of the military's M-16. The biggest difference being that the AR-15 is semi-auto, while the M-16 is full-auto.

Hunting? What does that have to do with it>





EXACTLY! It's not my business, your business, her business, Walmart's business, or the government's business why somebody buys a gun.

But hunting came up because it was implied that if you buy a gun nowhere close to a hunting season, you are most likely a crazed lunatic looking to go on a killing spree.
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Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 5:50 PM You entirely missed the point here about the background check. Why would the guy have to have the shotgun "right now" to go practice????? He could not wait until the background check came back???? Like a couple of days????? Around here we don't practice with our shotguns anyway AND we don't practice with our custom made deer rifles in 105 degree temps because it gets the barrels too hot. Most of the people at the rifle range shoot well enough and so don't really NEED practice. I live in TEXAS. We just don't practice shooting. Most of us have been shooting since we could walk. Guns are an extension of our arm. Better add that there IS a law that says you DO have to PASS a background check BEFROE the purchase of the gun.
 I think you missed some details.  No way they can sell a gun without a background check and most only take. 15 minutes even in Texas

Oh and hunting?  There is no season on varmit hunting


Its season is 365 days a year
no you missed something there was a PROBLEM with his background check. He was creating such a scene that the store manager was called. HE SAID just give the guy the gun. The salesperson told the manager "You take care of it" The salesperson was way more concerned about breaking a law than the store manager. I was standing there waiting for the sporting goods person to get an ice chest down when the guy showed up and was creating such a scene that the sales person had to wait on him. Then the manager was called they had already run a background check and she said there was a problem. As I said before he apparently did not PASS the check. It really does not matter exactly how long it takes to actually run the check. Do you really think that he would be throwing a fit to go shoot varmits. Also, we generally shoot varmit RIFLES,but then we are pretty good with our weapons.

I tend to think you were overhearing a confrontation between a jerk of a customer and the sales folks.  Did you hear exactly WHAT the "Problem" may have been with his background check?  Maybe it was just a technical problem with the process and not that he "Failed" the check Per Se.  That could reasonably explain why the manager wanted to sell it to him any way. (Not that he should ever sell without a complete approved background check ever) Cause believe me if that ever came back on WallMart for selling a fire arm to a failed applicant they would be in serious deep doo.  And honestly.  If a guy wanted a gun to do something nutso or criminal...there are lots of easier ways to get their hands on one that would leave no record of who made the purchase.  I highly doubt that was the case here.  It's more likely that the WallMart background check computer or system was having problems.  Lord knows they are not the best for service in the hunting/fishing department.  They guy couldn't even operate the computer correctly to sell me a fishing license last year.  I ended up giving up and going to the gas station to buy one.  So I wouldn't be surprised if it was that kind of issue and the customer lost his cool like some jerks will.  (I didn't get upset...just took my business to a more competent individual)

Not to be snarky...but it seems that you made a whole lot of assumptions to decide what this guy...or the Ar-15 guy... or any other fire arms purchaser may want to do with said fire arm or why they do or do not have any "Reason" to be purchasing one in the summer in Texas.  Frankly it's not your business.  If I want to purchase an AR-15 to shoot at waterballons on my personal property every day all summer...that's my business.  Responsible gun ownership doesn't have a season either. 
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Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 5:50 PM You entirely missed the point here about the background check. Why would the guy have to have the shotgun "right now" to go practice????? He could not wait until the background check came back???? Like a couple of days????? Around here we don't practice with our shotguns anyway AND we don't practice with our custom made deer rifles in 105 degree temps because it gets the barrels too hot. Most of the people at the rifle range shoot well enough and so don't really NEED practice. I live in TEXAS. We just don't practice shooting. Most of us have been shooting since we could walk. Guns are an extension of our arm. Better add that there IS a law that says you DO have to PASS a background check BEFROE the purchase of the gun.
 I think you missed some details.  No way they can sell a gun without a background check and most only take. 15 minutes even in Texas

Oh and hunting?  There is no season on varmit hunting


Its season is 365 days a year
no you missed something there was a PROBLEM with his background check. He was creating such a scene that the store manager was called. HE SAID just give the guy the gun. The salesperson told the manager "You take care of it" The salesperson was way more concerned about breaking a law than the store manager. I was standing there waiting for the sporting goods person to get an ice chest down when the guy showed up and was creating such a scene that the sales person had to wait on him. Then the manager was called they had already run a background check and she said there was a problem. As I said before he apparently did not PASS the check. It really does not matter exactly how long it takes to actually run the check. Do you really think that he would be throwing a fit to go shoot varmits. Also, we generally shoot varmit RIFLES,but then we are pretty good with our weapons.

I tend to think you were overhearing a confrontation between a jerk of a customer and the sales folks.  Did you hear exactly WHAT the "Problem" may have been with his background check?  Maybe it was just a technical problem with the process and not that he "Failed" the check Per Se.  That could reasonably explain why the manager wanted to sell it to him any way. (Not that he should ever sell without a complete approved background check ever) Cause believe me if that ever came back on WallMart for selling a fire arm to a failed applicant they would be in serious deep doo.  And honestly.  If a guy wanted a gun to do something nutso or criminal...there are lots of easier ways to get their hands on one that would leave no record of who made the purchase.  I highly doubt that was the case here.  It's more likely that the WallMart background check computer or system was having problems.  Lord knows they are not the best for service in the hunting/fishing department.  They guy couldn't even operate the computer correctly to sell me a fishing license last year.  I ended up giving up and going to the gas station to buy one.  So I wouldn't be surprised if it was that kind of issue and the customer lost his cool like some jerks will.  (I didn't get upset...just took my business to a more competent individual)

Not to be snarky...but it seems that you made a whole lot of assumptions to decide what this guy...or the Ar-15 guy... or any other fire arms purchaser may want to do with said fire arm or why they do or do not have any "Reason" to be purchasing one in the summer in Texas.  Frankly it's not your business.  If I want to purchase an AR-15 to shoot at waterballons on my personal property every day all summer...that's my business.  Responsible gun ownership doesn't have a season either. 

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Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 4:14 PM I went in WALMART in Marshall TX about a week ago and a guy was asking about some rifle. He was told it was in the back and had to have a lock put on it before they could bring it out. (I thought he said AK 47) He and the salesperson were standing beside a small gun case that was filled with assault rifles. I just glanced at the price and they were $1600 and up. These were DEFINANTLY NOT HUNTING RIFLES. The guy said he wanted to buy the gun right then. We don't do a background check anymore????? This is the same WALMART that I was in about 10 years ago and a guy was flippin out because something was wrong with his background check and the store manager told the salesperson to just go ahead and give the guy the gun. She told him "NO, you do it." He was buying a shotgun. It was in the middle of the summer and not near hunting season. If you want your own assault rifle just head down to your local WALMART and they should be able to fix you up. I just wanted a Swiss army knife for my key chain!
I'd bet that there was a lot missing from what you heard. They have to put locks on firearms before allowing somebody to handle them in case the customer brought loose ammo and decided to load it and go to town in the store. They absolutely still run checks to buy fire arms, and I'm fairly certain you can't buy an AK-47 at Walmart. Also, the bit about buying a firearm "nowhere close to hunting season", is silly. If you plan to hunt with something, you'd better have it well in advance to sight in and practice with. Even among the very high quality firearms - everything shoots a bit differently. ETA: it was probably an AR-15 which is the civilian version of the military's M-16. The biggest difference being that the AR-15 is semi-auto, while the M-16 is full-auto.


Hunting? What does that have to do with it>









EXACTLY! It's not my business, your business, her business, Walmart's business, or the government's business why somebody buys a gun. But hunting came up because it was implied that if you buy a gun nowhere close to a hunting season, you are most likely a crazed lunatic looking to go on a killing spree.

agreed
 
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I wish I had an assault weapon..... 

Me too! The closest we have is a semi-auto AR-15. Its sweet, we took lace stockings and spray painted over the gun to create a kick ass "camo" type color. We shoot a heck of a lot of varmits and coyotes with it! :)

I wonder if mr O would send me one too!??!?
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TrailGirl - 2014-07-08 10:25 AM
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Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 5:50 PM You entirely missed the point here about the background check. Why would the guy have to have the shotgun "right now" to go practice????? He could not wait until the background check came back???? Like a couple of days????? Around here we don't practice with our shotguns anyway AND we don't practice with our custom made deer rifles in 105 degree temps because it gets the barrels too hot. Most of the people at the rifle range shoot well enough and so don't really NEED practice. I live in TEXAS. We just don't practice shooting. Most of us have been shooting since we could walk. Guns are an extension of our arm. Better add that there IS a law that says you DO have to PASS a background check BEFROE the purchase of the gun.
 I think you missed some details.  No way they can sell a gun without a background check and most only take. 15 minutes even in Texas

Oh and hunting?  There is no season on varmit hunting


Its season is 365 days a year
no you missed something there was a PROBLEM with his background check. He was creating such a scene that the store manager was called. HE SAID just give the guy the gun. The salesperson told the manager "You take care of it" The salesperson was way more concerned about breaking a law than the store manager. I was standing there waiting for the sporting goods person to get an ice chest down when the guy showed up and was creating such a scene that the sales person had to wait on him. Then the manager was called they had already run a background check and she said there was a problem. As I said before he apparently did not PASS the check. It really does not matter exactly how long it takes to actually run the check. Do you really think that he would be throwing a fit to go shoot varmits. Also, we generally shoot varmit RIFLES,but then we are pretty good with our weapons.
I tend to think you were overhearing a confrontation between a jerk of a customer and the sales folks.  Did you hear exactly WHAT the "Problem" may have been with his background check?  Maybe it was just a technical problem with the process and not that he "Failed" the check Per Se.  That could reasonably explain why the manager wanted to sell it to him any way. (Not that he should ever sell without a complete approved background check ever) Cause believe me if that ever came back on WallMart for selling a fire arm to a failed applicant they would be in serious deep doo.  And honestly.  If a guy wanted a gun to do something nutso or criminal...there are lots of easier ways to get their hands on one that would leave no record of who made the purchase.  I highly doubt that was the case here.  It's more likely that the WallMart background check computer or system was having problems.  Lord knows they are not the best for service in the hunting/fishing department.  They guy couldn't even operate the computer correctly to sell me a fishing license last year.  I ended up giving up and going to the gas station to buy one.  So I wouldn't be surprised if it was that kind of issue and the customer lost his cool like some jerks will.  (I didn't get upset...just took my business to a more competent individual)



Not to be snarky...but it seems that you made a whole lot of assumptions to decide what this guy...or the Ar-15 guy... or any other fire arms purchaser may want to do with said fire arm or why they do or do not have any "Reason" to be purchasing one in the summer in Texas.  Frankly it's not your business.  If I want to purchase an AR-15 to shoot at waterballons on my personal property every day all summer...that's my business.  Responsible gun ownership doesn't have a season either. 

 Problem with the background check doesn't mean he didn't pass it.  I would put money on there being a technical issue with the site that runs them.

Store manager made a judgement call, he's probably looked at lots of background checks and seen all kinds of 'problems' that really have nothing to do with the people passing the check.  After you're familiar with a site and the issues that happen.....you get comfortable making judgement calls.  That's why managers are paid more than salespeople. 
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LRQHS - 2014-07-07 12:09 PM I wish I had an assault weapon..... 
Me too! The closest we have is a semi-auto AR-15. Its sweet, we took lace stockings and spray painted over the gun to create a kick ass "camo" type color. We shoot a heck of a lot of varmits and coyotes with it! :) I wonder if mr O would send me one too!??!?

Glad to see that someone understands that an AR15 is not an assault weapon. 
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lindseylou2290 - 2014-07-08 10:40 AM
LRQHS - 2014-07-07 12:09 PM I wish I had an assault weapon..... 
Me too! The closest we have is a semi-auto AR-15. Its sweet, we took lace stockings and spray painted over the gun to create a kick ass "camo" type color. We shoot a heck of a lot of varmits and coyotes with it! :) I wonder if mr O would send me one too!??!?

Glad to see that someone understands that an AR15 is not an assault weapon. 

What do you mean TXBO?!?! Everything the liberals say isn't true?!?!?!

Woops, spilled some sarcasm on the floor there....
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"Appearance" is everything to most liberals. "Symbolism over substance" is how they operate. Facts are of secondary importance, most of the time. This is because the typical low information voter only looks at pictures in books, and is attracted to slogans and imagery. That's how most of them draw their conclusions.
Many of the so-called "assault weapons" are labelled as such because of appearance, not function. If the rifle LOOKS badass, then it is an assault weapon. Take an ordinary .22 rifle, like the kind your grandpa kept next to the door on the farm,.....add a pistol grip, and a banana clip and, BOOM.....it becomes an evil assault weapon. People get suckered into the debate over what constitutes an "assault weapon" and as soon as that happens, the liberals win, because the truth of the matter is we shouldn't be having the debate in the first place.
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Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 4:14 PM I went in WALMART in Marshall TX about a week ago and a guy was asking about some rifle. He was told it was in the back and had to have a lock put on it before they could bring it out. (I thought he said AK 47) He and the salesperson were standing beside a small gun case that was filled with assault rifles. I just glanced at the price and they were $1600 and up. These were DEFINANTLY NOT HUNTING RIFLES. The guy said he wanted to buy the gun right then. We don't do a background check anymore????? This is the same WALMART that I was in about 10 years ago and a guy was flippin out because something was wrong with his background check and the store manager told the salesperson to just go ahead and give the guy the gun. She told him "NO, you do it." He was buying a shotgun. It was in the middle of the summer and not near hunting season. If you want your own assault rifle just head down to your local WALMART and they should be able to fix you up. I just wanted a Swiss army knife for my key chain!

 In response to the highlighted text referencing a background check. Yes Background Checks areconducted electronically via Federal Form 4437 and generally take less than 15 minutes (when the data base server is functioning correctly). Also in the State of Texas, once One obtains a CHL, said Form 4437 is bypassed due to the concept that CHL Holder already possesses a clean Background in order to be issued a Concealed Handgun Liscense.

However, per the 2nd Amendment Background Checks are NOT required Constitutionally.
 
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HotbearLVR - 2014-07-08 11:33 AM

"Appearance" is everything to most liberals. "Symbolism over substance" is how they operate. Facts are of secondary importance, most of the time. This is because the typical low information voter only looks at pictures in books, and is attracted to slogans and imagery. That's how most of them draw their conclusions.
Many of the so-called "assault weapons" are labelled as such because of appearance, not function. If the rifle LOOKS badass, then it is an assault weapon. Take an ordinary .22 rifle, like the kind your grandpa kept next to the door on the farm,.....add a pistol grip, and a banana clip and, BOOM.....it becomes an evil assault weapon. People get suckered into the debate over what constitutes an "assault weapon" and as soon as that happens, the liberals win, because the truth of the matter is we shouldn't be having the debate in the first place.

Exactly. If only people would actually bother to educate themselves on guns (and other hot issues), instead of just letting the media think for them.

Has anybody else read anything by Matthew Bracken? HotBear you would LOVE them I think.
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LRQHS - 2014-07-07 12:09 PM I wish I had an assault weapon..... 
Me too! The closest we have is a semi-auto AR-15. Its sweet, we took lace stockings and spray painted over the gun to create a kick ass "camo" type color. We shoot a heck of a lot of varmits and coyotes with it! :) I wonder if mr O would send me one too!??!?
Glad to see that someone understands that an AR15 is not an assault weapon. 
What do you mean TXBO?!?! Everything the liberals say isn't true?!?!?! Woops, spilled some sarcasm on the floor there....

LOL.  As Hotbear states: "sybolism over substance." ..... assault weapon, sniper rifle, saturday night special...... They're all evil in their minds. 
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Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 4:14 PM I went in WALMART in Marshall TX about a week ago and a guy was asking about some rifle. He was told it was in the back and had to have a lock put on it before they could bring it out. (I thought he said AK 47) He and the salesperson were standing beside a small gun case that was filled with assault rifles. I just glanced at the price and they were $1600 and up. These were DEFINANTLY NOT HUNTING RIFLES. The guy said he wanted to buy the gun right then. We don't do a background check anymore????? This is the same WALMART that I was in about 10 years ago and a guy was flippin out because something was wrong with his background check and the store manager told the salesperson to just go ahead and give the guy the gun. She told him "NO, you do it." He was buying a shotgun. It was in the middle of the summer and not near hunting season. If you want your own assault rifle just head down to your local WALMART and they should be able to fix you up. I just wanted a Swiss army knife for my key chain!

Also, the litteral item such as an assualt rifle is NOT available to the public at large. Hence WalMart does NOT sell assualt rifles. A true assualt rifle is a fully automatic firing (meaning one trigger pull continous firing) weapon. Said weapons have required 'Tax Stamp' since 1934. And are very time consuming and difficult to obtain said Tax Stamp in order to legally purchase said 'assault rifle'.
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Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 5:50 PM You entirely missed the point here about the background check. Why would the guy have to have the shotgun "right now" to go practice????? He could not wait until the background check came back???? Like a couple of days????? Around here we don't practice with our shotguns anyway AND we don't practice with our custom made deer rifles in 105 degree temps because it gets the barrels too hot. Most of the people at the rifle range shoot well enough and so don't really NEED practice. I live in TEXAS. We just don't practice shooting. Most of us have been shooting since we could walk. Guns are an extension of our arm. Better add that there IS a law that says you DO have to PASS a background check BEFROE the purchase of the gun.
 I think you missed some details.  No way they can sell a gun without a background check and most only take. 15 minutes even in Texas

Oh and hunting?  There is no season on varmit hunting


Its season is 365 days a year
no you missed something there was a PROBLEM with his background check. He was creating such a scene that the store manager was called. HE SAID just give the guy the gun. The salesperson told the manager "You take care of it" The salesperson was way more concerned about breaking a law than the store manager. I was standing there waiting for the sporting goods person to get an ice chest down when the guy showed up and was creating such a scene that the sales person had to wait on him. Then the manager was called they had already run a background check and she said there was a problem. As I said before he apparently did not PASS the check. It really does not matter exactly how long it takes to actually run the check. Do you really think that he would be throwing a fit to go shoot varmits. Also, we generally shoot varmit RIFLES,but then we are pretty good with our weapons.
I tend to think you were overhearing a confrontation between a jerk of a customer and the sales folks.  Did you hear exactly WHAT the "Problem" may have been with his background check?  Maybe it was just a technical problem with the process and not that he "Failed" the check Per Se.  That could reasonably explain why the manager wanted to sell it to him any way. (Not that he should ever sell without a complete approved background check ever) Cause believe me if that ever came back on WallMart for selling a fire arm to a failed applicant they would be in serious deep doo.  And honestly.  If a guy wanted a gun to do something nutso or criminal...there are lots of easier ways to get their hands on one that would leave no record of who made the purchase.  I highly doubt that was the case here.  It's more likely that the WallMart background check computer or system was having problems.  Lord knows they are not the best for service in the hunting/fishing department.  They guy couldn't even operate the computer correctly to sell me a fishing license last year.  I ended up giving up and going to the gas station to buy one.  So I wouldn't be surprised if it was that kind of issue and the customer lost his cool like some jerks will.  (I didn't get upset...just took my business to a more competent individual)



Not to be snarky...but it seems that you made a whole lot of assumptions to decide what this guy...or the Ar-15 guy... or any other fire arms purchaser may want to do with said fire arm or why they do or do not have any "Reason" to be purchasing one in the summer in Texas.  Frankly it's not your business.  If I want to purchase an AR-15 to shoot at waterballons on my personal property every day all summer...that's my business.  Responsible gun ownership doesn't have a season either. 

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HotbearLVR - 2014-07-08 11:33 AM "Appearance" is everything to most liberals. "Symbolism over substance" is how they operate. Facts are of secondary importance, most of the time. This is because the typical low information voter only looks at pictures in books, and is attracted to slogans and imagery. That's how most of them draw their conclusions. Many of the so-called "assault weapons" are labelled as such because of appearance, not function. If the rifle LOOKS badass, then it is an assault weapon. Take an ordinary .22 rifle, like the kind your grandpa kept next to the door on the farm,.....add a pistol grip, and a banana clip and, BOOM.....it becomes an evil assault weapon. People get suckered into the debate over what constitutes an "assault weapon" and as soon as that happens, the liberals win, because the truth of the matter is we shouldn't be having the debate in the first place.
Exactly. If only people would actually bother to educate themselves on guns (and other hot issues), instead of just letting the media think for them. Has anybody else read anything by Matthew Bracken? HotBear you would LOVE them I think.

As Rush Limbaugh as aptly named this type of individual 'The Low Information Voter' i.e. Someone who is not educated upon the subject matter they are voting on. This scenario has happened twice within the last two election cylces. First time in Nov 2008, Second in Nov 2012. Now 'some' low information voters are beginning to educate themselves after the fact.
 
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Honeymoney, I hope you have had the opporunity to read the responses to your post in regards to assualt rifles and backgrounds. Because this is the information required to understand the Gun Control Debate.
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foundation horse - 2014-07-08 11:54 AM

svincent - 2014-07-08 11:40 AM
HotbearLVR - 2014-07-08 11:33 AM "Appearance" is everything to most liberals. "Symbolism over substance" is how they operate. Facts are of secondary importance, most of the time. This is because the typical low information voter only looks at pictures in books, and is attracted to slogans and imagery. That's how most of them draw their conclusions. Many of the so-called "assault weapons" are labelled as such because of appearance, not function. If the rifle LOOKS badass, then it is an assault weapon. Take an ordinary .22 rifle, like the kind your grandpa kept next to the door on the farm,.....add a pistol grip, and a banana clip and, BOOM.....it becomes an evil assault weapon. People get suckered into the debate over what constitutes an "assault weapon" and as soon as that happens, the liberals win, because the truth of the matter is we shouldn't be having the debate in the first place.
Exactly. If only people would actually bother to educate themselves on guns (and other hot issues), instead of just letting the media think for them. Has anybody else read anything by Matthew Bracken? HotBear you would LOVE them I think.

As Rush Limbaugh as aptly named this type of individual 'The Low Information Voter' i.e. Someone who is not educated upon the subject matter they are voting on. This scenario has happened twice within the last two election cylces. First time in Nov 2008, Second in Nov 2012. Now 'some' low information voters are beginning to educate themselves after the fact.
 

In Samantha-Land.....

I think we should implement a pre-voting quiz each voting period. Nothing major, just questions covering major definitions and sides that have to do with the issues being voted on. If you fail, go home and educate yourself, then come back to vote when you know your butt from a hole in the ground.

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foundation horse - 2014-07-08 11:56 AM

Honeymoney, I hope you have had the opporunity to read the responses to your post in regards to assualt rifles and backgrounds. Because this is the information required to understand the Gun Control Debate.

Turns out not everybody from Texas is born with infinite gun knowledge..... Lol
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"Why should anyone own an assault weapon" Because I want to be as well armed as my government.....period.

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svincent - 2014-07-08 11:59 AM
foundation horse - 2014-07-08 11:54 AM
svincent - 2014-07-08 11:40 AM
HotbearLVR - 2014-07-08 11:33 AM "Appearance" is everything to most liberals. "Symbolism over substance" is how they operate. Facts are of secondary importance, most of the time. This is because the typical low information voter only looks at pictures in books, and is attracted to slogans and imagery. That's how most of them draw their conclusions. Many of the so-called "assault weapons" are labelled as such because of appearance, not function. If the rifle LOOKS badass, then it is an assault weapon. Take an ordinary .22 rifle, like the kind your grandpa kept next to the door on the farm,.....add a pistol grip, and a banana clip and, BOOM.....it becomes an evil assault weapon. People get suckered into the debate over what constitutes an "assault weapon" and as soon as that happens, the liberals win, because the truth of the matter is we shouldn't be having the debate in the first place.
Exactly. If only people would actually bother to educate themselves on guns (and other hot issues), instead of just letting the media think for them. Has anybody else read anything by Matthew Bracken? HotBear you would LOVE them I think.
As Rush Limbaugh as aptly named this type of individual 'The Low Information Voter' i.e. Someone who is not educated upon the subject matter they are voting on. This scenario has happened twice within the last two election cylces. First time in Nov 2008, Second in Nov 2012. Now 'some' low information voters are beginning to educate themselves after the fact.

 
In Samantha-Land..... I think we should implement a pre-voting quiz each voting period. Nothing major, just questions covering major definitions and sides that have to do with the issues being voted on. If you fail, go home and educate yourself, then come back to vote when you know your butt from a hole in the ground.

"I" understand, accept and completely embrace the idea behind this, however, I do not look for such a concept to gain traction anytime soon. This concepts means voters would actually have to think and thinking is exactly thought of an acceptable practice currently.


Currently, I am estatic with the FACT that Voter ID is being implemented in order to combat election fraud i.e. multiple voting by the same voter.
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svincent - 2014-07-08 11:59 AM
foundation horse - 2014-07-08 11:54 AM
svincent - 2014-07-08 11:40 AM
HotbearLVR - 2014-07-08 11:33 AM "Appearance" is everything to most liberals. "Symbolism over substance" is how they operate. Facts are of secondary importance, most of the time. This is because the typical low information voter only looks at pictures in books, and is attracted to slogans and imagery. That's how most of them draw their conclusions. Many of the so-called "assault weapons" are labelled as such because of appearance, not function. If the rifle LOOKS badass, then it is an assault weapon. Take an ordinary .22 rifle, like the kind your grandpa kept next to the door on the farm,.....add a pistol grip, and a banana clip and, BOOM.....it becomes an evil assault weapon. People get suckered into the debate over what constitutes an "assault weapon" and as soon as that happens, the liberals win, because the truth of the matter is we shouldn't be having the debate in the first place.
Exactly. If only people would actually bother to educate themselves on guns (and other hot issues), instead of just letting the media think for them. Has anybody else read anything by Matthew Bracken? HotBear you would LOVE them I think.
As Rush Limbaugh as aptly named this type of individual 'The Low Information Voter' i.e. Someone who is not educated upon the subject matter they are voting on. This scenario has happened twice within the last two election cylces. First time in Nov 2008, Second in Nov 2012. Now 'some' low information voters are beginning to educate themselves after the fact.

 
In Samantha-Land..... I think we should implement a pre-voting quiz each voting period. Nothing major, just questions covering major definitions and sides that have to do with the issues being voted on. If you fail, go home and educate yourself, then come back to vote when you know your butt from a hole in the ground.

"I" understand, accept and completely embrace the idea behind this, however, I do not look for such a concept to gain traction anytime soon. This concepts means voters would actually have to think and thinking is exactly thought of an acceptable practice currently.


Currently, I am estatic with the FACT that Voter ID is being implemented in order to combat election fraud i.e. multiple voting by the same voter.

Lol it would never happen in a billion years.... That's why I added the "in Samantha-Land...." part
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For those that want some info on WHAT an Assault Rifle is or is not
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assault_rifles 
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I remember back in the 90s when there was a lot of "anti-SUV" sentiment in liberal land, and hence in the media.  They tried to portray SUVs as evil gas guzzling polluters and symbols of wealth and greed.  Whenever there was a traffic accident involving an SUV, especially one in which there was a fatality, the media would describe an accident, for example, by saying something like "two people were killed in an accident by an SUV....."   I'm not kidding you.  They felt this would shift public opinion in a direction where SUVs would be despised and shunned and consequently become non existent.  They tried to convince people that the evil SUVs had a mind of their own, like "HAL" in "Space Odessy 2001".  
They are doing the same thing with guns....suggesting if we eliminate guns, the killings in our cities would drop drastically, like in Chicago, for example.
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lindseylou2290 - 2014-07-08 10:40 AM
LRQHS - 2014-07-07 12:09 PM I wish I had an assault weapon..... 
Me too! The closest we have is a semi-auto AR-15. Its sweet, we took lace stockings and spray painted over the gun to create a kick ass "camo" type color. We shoot a heck of a lot of varmits and coyotes with it! :) I wonder if mr O would send me one too!??!?

Glad to see that someone understands that an AR15 is not an assault weapon. 

What do you mean TXBO?!?! Everything the liberals say isn't true?!?!?!

Woops, spilled some sarcasm on the floor there....

BAHAHAHAAHA ... ya mean just because I have cool grips, a neat paint job, and a suppressor on my AR it's not an assault rifle!!!?????!??!?! GASP!!!

My sarcasm spilled too ;) *high fives*
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HotbearLVR - 2014-07-08 2:29 PM

I remember back in the 90s when there was a lot of "anti-SUV" sentiment in liberal land, and hence in the media.  They tried to portray SUVs as evil gas guzzling polluters and symbols of wealth and greed.  Whenever there was a traffic accident involving an SUV, especially one in which there was a fatality, the media would describe an accident, for example, by saying something like "two people were killed in an accident by an SUV....."   I'm not kidding you.  They felt this would shift public opinion in a direction where SUVs would be despised and shunned and consequently become non existent.  They tried to convince people that the evil SUVs had a mind of their own, like "HAL" in "Space Odessy 2001".  
They are doing the same thing with guns....suggesting if we eliminate guns, the killings in our cities would drop drastically, like in Chicago, for example.

SNAP! you brought up Chicago ... that one sure hasn't turned out real well ... and to think that our current Pres is from there. Apparently when you make more laws, things don't always go as planned.


I remember the 90s SUV reports ... wasn't that the era of exploding Ford Explorers too? Or am I thinking of the wrong decade ... Pretty sure I was still on the west coast then and it was/still is full of tree huggers who don't bother to educate themselves on all sides of an issue.
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Chicago is such a mess because there is such a large number of high poverty areas, period. Those areas have huge drug and gang issues. 

Anyone who thinks gun control laws, including background checks, do ANYTHING to stop CRIMINALS from getting weapons is living under a rock. It's not difficult to find someone selling drugs or illegal weapons in Illinois in a bad area, and CRIMINALS know all the right people to get all the guns they want or need.

The state of IL is BROKE. They don't have the money to pay enough police officers to patrol these "bad neighborhoods", ie the ghettos, which is where all this violence occurs. For the most part, the downtown areas and nicer residential neighborhoods are pretty safe, even at night, or at least as safe as any other major city. Just watch where you wander off too... you don't want to take a wrong turn in certain areas. We used to hit the bars in the downtown area when I was younger frequently, and we never had any issues with safety. But then again, we were in the nicer, safe areas of the city.... which are a far cry from the "bad" areas.
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barrelracr131 - 2014-07-08 2:39 PM    The state of IL is BROKE. They don't have the money to pay enough police officers to patrol these "bad neighborhoods", ie the ghettos, which is where all this violence occurs. For the most part, the downtown areas and nicer residential neighborhoods are pretty safe, even at night, or at least as safe as any other major city. Just watch where you wander off too... you don't want to take a wrong turn in certain areas. We used to hit the bars in the downtown area when I was younger frequently, and we never had any issues with safety. But then again, we were in the nicer, safe areas of the city.... which are a far cry from the "bad" areas.

Soooo...You wouldn't recomend hitting Cicero with the boys after a ballgame?
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TXBO - 2014-07-08 2:54 PM
barrelracr131 - 2014-07-08 2:39 PM    The state of IL is BROKE. They don't have the money to pay enough police officers to patrol these "bad neighborhoods", ie the ghettos, which is where all this violence occurs. For the most part, the downtown areas and nicer residential neighborhoods are pretty safe, even at night, or at least as safe as any other major city. Just watch where you wander off too... you don't want to take a wrong turn in certain areas. We used to hit the bars in the downtown area when I was younger frequently, and we never had any issues with safety. But then again, we were in the nicer, safe areas of the city.... which are a far cry from the "bad" areas.
Soooo...You wouldn't recomend hitting Cicero with the boys after a ballgame?

Ha, I'd say stick to wrigleyville....  
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barrelracr131 - 2014-07-08 2:39 PM    The state of IL is BROKE. They don't have the money to pay enough police officers to patrol these "bad neighborhoods", ie the ghettos, which is where all this violence occurs. For the most part, the downtown areas and nicer residential neighborhoods are pretty safe, even at night, or at least as safe as any other major city. Just watch where you wander off too... you don't want to take a wrong turn in certain areas. We used to hit the bars in the downtown area when I was younger frequently, and we never had any issues with safety. But then again, we were in the nicer, safe areas of the city.... which are a far cry from the "bad" areas.
Soooo...You wouldn't recomend hitting Cicero with the boys after a ballgame?
Ha, I'd say stick to wrigleyville....  

LOL.  That's a different kind of fun. 
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barrelracr131 - 2014-07-08 2:56 PM
TXBO - 2014-07-08 2:54 PM
barrelracr131 - 2014-07-08 2:39 PM    The state of IL is BROKE. They don't have the money to pay enough police officers to patrol these "bad neighborhoods", ie the ghettos, which is where all this violence occurs. For the most part, the downtown areas and nicer residential neighborhoods are pretty safe, even at night, or at least as safe as any other major city. Just watch where you wander off too... you don't want to take a wrong turn in certain areas. We used to hit the bars in the downtown area when I was younger frequently, and we never had any issues with safety. But then again, we were in the nicer, safe areas of the city.... which are a far cry from the "bad" areas.
Soooo...You wouldn't recomend hitting Cicero with the boys after a ballgame?
Ha, I'd say stick to wrigleyville....  
LOL.  That's a different kind of fun. 

Truth! 
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barrelracr131 - 2014-07-08 2:39 PM

Chicago is such a mess because there is such a large number of high poverty areas, period. Those areas have huge drug and gang issues. 

Anyone who thinks gun control laws, including background checks, do ANYTHING to stop CRIMINALS from getting weapons is living under a rock. It's not difficult to find someone selling drugs or illegal weapons in Illinois in a bad area, and CRIMINALS know all the right people to get all the guns they want or need.

The state of IL is BROKE. They don't have the money to pay enough police officers to patrol these "bad neighborhoods", ie the ghettos, which is where all this violence occurs. For the most part, the downtown areas and nicer residential neighborhoods are pretty safe, even at night, or at least as safe as any other major city. Just watch where you wander off too... you don't want to take a wrong turn in certain areas. We used to hit the bars in the downtown area when I was younger frequently, and we never had any issues with safety. But then again, we were in the nicer, safe areas of the city.... which are a far cry from the "bad" areas.

PREACH :) I agree 100%. Laws don't do anything unless you have infrastructure, funding, and police to support them along with an economy that can or will support the growth and change. I agree that poverty and criminal actions go hand in hand. They have since history has been recorded.

I'm not trying to say that crime doesn't happen in "better" communities but that there is a strong correlation between crime and the amount of money household's bring home.
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barrelracr131 - 2014-07-08 2:39 PM

Chicago is such a mess because there is such a large number of high poverty areas, period. Those areas have huge drug and gang issues. 

Anyone who thinks gun control laws, including background checks, do ANYTHING to stop CRIMINALS from getting weapons is living under a rock. It's not difficult to find someone selling drugs or illegal weapons in Illinois in a bad area, and CRIMINALS know all the right people to get all the guns they want or need.

The state of IL is BROKE. They don't have the money to pay enough police officers to patrol these "bad neighborhoods", ie the ghettos, which is where all this violence occurs. For the most part, the downtown areas and nicer residential neighborhoods are pretty safe, even at night, or at least as safe as any other major city. Just watch where you wander off too... you don't want to take a wrong turn in certain areas. We used to hit the bars in the downtown area when I was younger frequently, and we never had any issues with safety. But then again, we were in the nicer, safe areas of the city.... which are a far cry from the "bad" areas.

PREACH :) I agree 100%. Laws don't do anything unless you have infrastructure, funding, and police to support them along with an economy that can or will support the growth and change. I agree that poverty and criminal actions go hand in hand. They have since history has been recorded.

I'm not trying to say that crime doesn't happen in "better" communities but that there is a strong correlation between crime and the amount of money household's bring home.

I like you.
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lindseylou2290 - 2014-07-08 4:22 PM
barrelracr131 - 2014-07-08 2:39 PM Chicago is such a mess because there is such a large number of high poverty areas, period. Those areas have huge drug and gang issues. 



Anyone who thinks gun control laws, including background checks, do ANYTHING to stop CRIMINALS from getting weapons is living under a rock. It's not difficult to find someone selling drugs or illegal weapons in Illinois in a bad area, and CRIMINALS know all the right people to get all the guns they want or need.



The state of IL is BROKE. They don't have the money to pay enough police officers to patrol these "bad neighborhoods", ie the ghettos, which is where all this violence occurs. For the most part, the downtown areas and nicer residential neighborhoods are pretty safe, even at night, or at least as safe as any other major city. Just watch where you wander off too... you don't want to take a wrong turn in certain areas. We used to hit the bars in the downtown area when I was younger frequently, and we never had any issues with safety. But then again, we were in the nicer, safe areas of the city.... which are a far cry from the "bad" areas.
PREACH :) I agree 100%. Laws don't do anything unless you have infrastructure, funding, and police to support them along with an economy that can or will support the growth and change. I agree that poverty and criminal actions go hand in hand. They have since history has been recorded. I'm not trying to say that crime doesn't happen in "better" communities but that there is a strong correlation between crime and the amount of money household's bring home.

The Dems created many of the ghetto's in Chicago through welfare. When they needed more room for building they flattened Cabrini Green and dispersed about 4,000 of Chicago's problems Throughout Illinois. Chicago's crime rate went down for a short time and it grew around towns in other parts of Illinois. Most of those dispersed have been replenished since having illegitimate babies are rewarded and is a way of life with welfare people and the cycle continues. 
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 Just saw this post......an AR-15 is just a semi auto rifle.......I have a Colt tactical AR 15 modified for competition, a Glock 34 competition 9mm pistol, and a Mossberg 930 JM Pro shotgun...all designed to be accurate and load fast.....I'm practicing for ladies 3 gun competitions, so yes, I do practice...have to.....Anyone can buy from individuals on Armslist for cash, anonymous, no background check.......I'm a patriot, and like that sign said, my door is locked for your protection.......
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musikmaker - 2014-07-07 11:13 PM
VonDigger - 2014-07-07 8:33 PM
HotbearLVR - 2014-07-07 12:07 PM "We're sending assault weapons to rebels in Syria to confront a regime that does not represent them." - Barack Hussein Obama "There is no reason any American should own an assault weapon." - Barack Hussein Obama Really, Mr President? Hmmmm.....let's examine these statements together.
Back to the original point.  Barry been sending weapons of all sorts, through Eric Holder, into conflcts that really have nothing to do with us and usually in the wrong side of things ayway.  because he was he side he is supplying to have a "legitimate shot at freedom."  In that same vein he does not want us to have them because with the populace having access to them, it makes a governmental take over of this country next to immpossible reguardless of how good our military is.  And a quick news flash on that, the 4 major branches of he military is on our side.   
Can we say the same thing about the 'UN' military?

Thje UN military, oh h-e-double hockey sticks no, and the national guard is iffy too.  But the Army, Navy, Air force and marines are behind us. 
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Cindy Hamilton - 2014-07-08 7:52 PM

 Just saw this post......an AR-15 is just a semi auto rifle.......I have a Colt tactical AR 15 modified for competition, a Glock 34 competition 9mm pistol, and a Mossberg 930 JM Pro shotgun...all designed to be accurate and load fast.....I'm practicing for ladies 3 gun competitions, so yes, I do practice...have to.....Anyone can buy from individuals on Armslist for cash, anonymous, no background check.......I'm a patriot, and like that sign said, my door is locked for your protection.......

You go woman!!
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I think it's fair to say that there's no correlation between strict gun control and the number of gun-related crimes and homicides.  If you want to see an explosion in gun related crimes, eliminate the 2nd Ammendment, and watch the sparks fly.  
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This video is a classic on gun control, in my opinion.  Many of the women who have posted on this thread could easily say what she said.
This sums it up perfectly, especially her last parting comment.  Gutsy.
You have to C&P this, but it's well worth watching:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgrIsuO5PLc
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HotbearLVR - 2014-07-08 10:42 PM

This video is a classic on gun control, in my opinion.  Many of the women who have posted on this thread could easily say what she said.
This sums it up perfectly, especially her last parting comment.  Gutsy.
You have to C&P this, but it's well worth watching:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgrIsuO5PLc

I've seen this before.... and I agree with her very last line. Here is a live link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgrIsuO5PLc
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Cindy Hamilton - 2014-07-08 7:52 PM  Just saw this post......an AR-15 is just a semi auto rifle.......I have a Colt tactical AR 15 modified for competition, a Glock 34 competition 9mm pistol, and a Mossberg 930 JM Pro shotgun...all designed to be accurate and load fast.....I'm practicing for ladies 3 gun competitions, so yes, I do practice...have to.....Anyone can buy from individuals on Armslist for cash, anonymous, no background check.......I'm a patriot, and like that sign said, my door is locked for your protection.......

I knew I liked you! 
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barrelracr131 - 2014-07-08 3:39 PM Chicago is such a mess because there is such a large number of high poverty areas, period. Those areas have huge drug and gang issues. 



Anyone who thinks gun control laws, including background checks, do ANYTHING to stop CRIMINALS from getting weapons is living under a rock. It's not difficult to find someone selling drugs or illegal weapons in Illinois in a bad area, and CRIMINALS know all the right people to get all the guns they want or need.



The state of IL is BROKE. They don't have the money to pay enough police officers to patrol these "bad neighborhoods", ie the ghettos, which is where all this violence occurs. For the most part, the downtown areas and nicer residential neighborhoods are pretty safe, even at night, or at least as safe as any other major city. Just watch where you wander off too... you don't want to take a wrong turn in certain areas. We used to hit the bars in the downtown area when I was younger frequently, and we never had any issues with safety. But then again, we were in the nicer, safe areas of the city.... which are a far cry from the "bad" areas.

My niece lives in Chicago and this is what she says too.  However, bless her heart, she is also a bleeding heart.  While I commend her, she does try and do alot in the inner city to help some of these kids.  I worry about her safety.   
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Cindy Hamilton - 2014-07-08 7:52 PM  Just saw this post......an AR-15 is just a semi auto rifle.......I have a Colt tactical AR 15 modified for competition, a Glock 34 competition 9mm pistol, and a Mossberg 930 JM Pro shotgun...all designed to be accurate and load fast.....I'm practicing for ladies 3 gun competitions, so yes, I do practice...have to.....Anyone can buy from individuals on Armslist for cash, anonymous, no background check.......I'm a patriot, and like that sign said, my door is locked for your protection.......

 3 Gun is a blast. Do you shoot USPSA or IMGA?
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HotbearLVR - 2014-07-08 10:33 PM I think it's fair to say that there's no correlation between strict gun control and the number of gun-related crimes and homicides.  If you want to see an explosion in gun related crimes, eliminate the 2nd Ammendment, and watch the sparks fly.  

 There is a correlation, Doc.  The cities with the strictest gun control laws have the highest crime rates.
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barrelracr131 - 2014-07-08 2:39 PM Chicago is such a mess because there is such a large number of high poverty areas, period. Those areas have huge drug and gang issues. 



Anyone who thinks gun control laws, including background checks, do ANYTHING to stop CRIMINALS from getting weapons is living under a rock. It's not difficult to find someone selling drugs or illegal weapons in Illinois in a bad area, and CRIMINALS know all the right people to get all the guns they want or need.



The state of IL is BROKE. They don't have the money to pay enough police officers to patrol these "bad neighborhoods", ie the ghettos, which is where all this violence occurs. For the most part, the downtown areas and nicer residential neighborhoods are pretty safe, even at night, or at least as safe as any other major city. Just watch where you wander off too... you don't want to take a wrong turn in certain areas. We used to hit the bars in the downtown area when I was younger frequently, and we never had any issues with safety. But then again, we were in the nicer, safe areas of the city.... which are a far cry from the "bad" areas.
PREACH :) I agree 100%. Laws don't do anything unless you have infrastructure, funding, and police to support them along with an economy that can or will support the growth and change. I agree that poverty and criminal actions go hand in hand. They have since history has been recorded. I'm not trying to say that crime doesn't happen in "better" communities but that there is a strong correlation between crime and the amount of money household's bring home.
The Dems created many of the ghetto's in Chicago through welfare. When they needed more room for building they flattened Cabrini Green and dispersed about 4,000 of Chicago's problems Throughout Illinois. Chicago's crime rate went down for a short time and it grew around towns in other parts of Illinois. Most of those dispersed have been replenished since having illegitimate babies are rewarded and is a way of life with welfare people and the cycle continues. 

 True.  The crime rate is as much about the family breakdown as it is money.
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Cindy Hamilton - 2014-07-08 7:52 PM

 Just saw this post......an AR-15 is just a semi auto rifle.......I have a Colt tactical AR 15 modified for competition, a Glock 34 competition 9mm pistol, and a Mossberg 930 JM Pro shotgun...all designed to be accurate and load fast.....I'm practicing for ladies 3 gun competitions, so yes, I do practice...have to.....Anyone can buy from individuals on Armslist for cash, anonymous, no background check.......I'm a patriot, and like that sign said, my door is locked for your protection.......

Sweet!! I love 3 gun. My SO is practicing and shooting 3 gun this year. I love going to watch! If I can find a shotgun I like, I'm gonna shoot 3 gun next year. I have the AR and a sweet 9 mm both set up for competition right now. I run mounted shooting and LOVE it too.

ETA - spelling, sorry.

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barrelracr131 - 2014-07-08 2:39 PM

Chicago is such a mess because there is such a large number of high poverty areas, period. Those areas have huge drug and gang issues. 

Anyone who thinks gun control laws, including background checks, do ANYTHING to stop CRIMINALS from getting weapons is living under a rock. It's not difficult to find someone selling drugs or illegal weapons in Illinois in a bad area, and CRIMINALS know all the right people to get all the guns they want or need.

The state of IL is BROKE. They don't have the money to pay enough police officers to patrol these "bad neighborhoods", ie the ghettos, which is where all this violence occurs. For the most part, the downtown areas and nicer residential neighborhoods are pretty safe, even at night, or at least as safe as any other major city. Just watch where you wander off too... you don't want to take a wrong turn in certain areas. We used to hit the bars in the downtown area when I was younger frequently, and we never had any issues with safety. But then again, we were in the nicer, safe areas of the city.... which are a far cry from the "bad" areas.

PREACH :) I agree 100%. Laws don't do anything unless you have infrastructure, funding, and police to support them along with an economy that can or will support the growth and change. I agree that poverty and criminal actions go hand in hand. They have since history has been recorded.

I'm not trying to say that crime doesn't happen in "better" communities but that there is a strong correlation between crime and the amount of money household's bring home.

I like you.

Ha! well, thank you :)
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TXBO - 2014-07-09 7:59 AM

HotbearLVR - 2014-07-08 10:33 PM I think it's fair to say that there's no correlation between strict gun control and the number of gun-related crimes and homicides.  If you want to see an explosion in gun related crimes, eliminate the 2nd Ammendment, and watch the sparks fly.  

 There is a correlation, Doc.  The cities with the strictest gun control laws have the highest crime rates.

Yes, TXBO, you are right.
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lindseylou2290 - 2014-07-09 9:19 AM
Cindy Hamilton - 2014-07-08 7:52 PM  Just saw this post......an AR-15 is just a semi auto rifle.......I have a Colt tactical AR 15 modified for competition, a Glock 34 competition 9mm pistol, and a Mossberg 930 JM Pro shotgun...all designed to be accurate and load fast.....I'm practicing for ladies 3 gun competitions, so yes, I do practice...have to.....Anyone can buy from individuals on Armslist for cash, anonymous, no background check.......I'm a patriot, and like that sign said, my door is locked for your protection.......
Sweet!! I love 3 gun. My SO is practicing and shooting 3 gun this year. I love going to watch! If I can find a shotgun I like, I'm gonna shoot 3 gun next year. I have the AR and a sweet 9 mm both set up for competition right now. I run mounted shooting and LOVE it too. ETA - spelling, sorry.

I used to shoot skeet, so I'm decent with a shotgun.....I recently went from my trusty Mossberg 500 tactical 6 shot 18.5" barrel (had this for years, love it) to the Mossberg 930 10 shot, 2 lbs. heavier and 6" longer (no comment yet...not crazy about the weight, length or fiber optic sight for some reason, it's distracting)....you'll love the feel of the 500, but it doesn't hold enough shells and you have to reload too often (fun but not competitive)...I'm getting used to the 930, but unless I stay serious about this 3 gun competition, I feel better using the 500, but reloading is where the time is gained....I changed sights on my Glock to Warren all black, but everything else is stock, no fiber optics there either.  Since I need rifle practice, I won't enter anything until I feel confident I can go from gun to gun and feel comfortable with it.

I haven't shot in a match yet.....3 gun can be intimidating for a beginner to the sport...I might start with Tac-Ops and get a better feel for the rifle......a sheriff in my county has Tac-Ops stages near me for practice with instructors to help you get better....July 20 is Tac Ops day at his place again all day.....no, I won't wear camo...LOL...I just like a challenge and thought I'd give this a try since I've always liked to shoot...never done mounted shooting though, I bet it's fun.



 
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TXBO - 2014-07-09 7:54 AM
Cindy Hamilton - 2014-07-08 7:52 PM  Just saw this post......an AR-15 is just a semi auto rifle.......I have a Colt tactical AR 15 modified for competition, a Glock 34 competition 9mm pistol, and a Mossberg 930 JM Pro shotgun...all designed to be accurate and load fast.....I'm practicing for ladies 3 gun competitions, so yes, I do practice...have to.....Anyone can buy from individuals on Armslist for cash, anonymous, no background check.......I'm a patriot, and like that sign said, my door is locked for your protection.......
 3 Gun is a blast. Do you shoot USPSA or IMGA?

No time today...the IFYR is in Shawnee and we are busy....the matches here are USPCA, but they use multi gun scoring for some reason....can't wait for my first one...individual guns...ok...but all 3 will be fun but challenging, I'm going to emphasize accuracy and safety, not speed...I'll have to stop and think because I don't get to practice on a stage like some of them do....LOL
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I had a friend that lives in the UK.  She was telling me that when they banned gun in th country, by the nest year crime went up something like 381% 
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VonDigger - 2014-07-09 8:57 PM

I had a friend that lives in the UK.  She was telling me that when they banned gun in th country, by the nest year crime went up something like 381% 

....and that was just in the government...
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