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Location: "Si Fi" Ville | I am about at the end of my rope literally. This colt double barrel kicks and kicks hard. I have broke to a lunge line. I have put a butt rope on him and he kicked it into. He ties. He isn't scared of plastic tarps, nothing. But when he gets mad he kicks and sometimes when you least expect it. I have put a cotton rope around one back leg between foot and ankle and tied it up to a neck rope just snug enough to keep him from getting some real momentum to his kicking. I have blistered his rear end till I just about give out. ???????? |
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| Me and that baby would be having a come to Jesus. Does he do it at a particular time? |
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  Ms. Marine
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Location: Texas | Sounds like he needs a come to Jesus meeting. |
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 Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Have you tried round pen working him everytime he shows bad behavior. He'd definitely get a buggy whip to his butt from me everytime and I would carry it around with me whenever I was around him, but he would, also, have to work each time he did it. I'd geld him too, if he isn't. |
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Scooters Savior
Location: "Si Fi" Ville | I wore myself out having "come to Jesus" meetings with him yesterday. And believe you me when they declare war on me, I give it right back. This one, however, is particularly hard. |
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Location: Never in one place long | treasurehunter - 2014-07-14 8:30 AM
I wore myself out having "come to Jesus" meetings with him yesterday. And believe you me when they declare war on me, I give it right back. This one, however, is particularly hard.
yikes! that sounds bad! I don't have any advice but I hope you get it figured out. :( that's dangerous!! I have one kinda simular that kicks becuase he's excited or if something scares him. I'm still working to get through that. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | I hate to say it, but as a complete last resort I'd use a horse shock collar. They do sell them. I know someone that successfully used it on a filly that was a bad kicker and cured her (supposedly) |
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Location: Deep South | When is he most likely to do it? I've used kick chains on horses that were bad about kicking in the trailer or in their stalls. They learn pretty quick with those. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | Sounds like he gets mad when he doesn't get his way.
And I second the snip snip idea |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | BamaCanChaser - 2014-07-14 8:56 AM
When is he most likely to do it? I've used kick chains on horses that were bad about kicking in the trailer or in their stalls. They learn pretty quick with those.
This is what I was thinking and working them in the round pen where they can never turn their butt to you but have to keep their front end pointed at you at all times. |
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 No Tune in a Bucket
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Location: Texas | I wish I knew the answer. We raised a colt like that and we could never trust him. His mother had the greatest personality and ground manners. We raised her also and she did not have a mean bone in her body (when it came to people), but was definitely the alpha mare in the pasture. He was never mistreated and isn't mean, just unpredictable. Maybe if we had started earlier with him he could have been broken of the habit. Good luck with your baby. |
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Thats a really hard habit to break, knew of one like that, he did grow out of it but really could not trust him, always had to keep an eye out on him when out in the public.
If hes playing I bet he will grow out of it, but if they are serious kicks, then I would be worried. I would use my meanest deep voice to let him know I dont approve of his kicks along with a buggy whip to his butt, as time gos by you can just use your voice, when my voice gos up my horses really listen and strighten up if they are being a butthead. |
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Location: Texas | I guess I'm a little confused on when he's kicking. Is it when you are lunging? Tied up messing with his feet? First I would get ahold of someone to work with you that specializes I'm difficult horses just to make sure you aren't missing something. Cut him if he's still a stud. Here's what we have done working with hard to handle horses. Horses that kick when tied get hobbled you can scotch hobble him or tie a leg up. Horse that attempts to kick at me gets his hind end and offending leg tattooed with a whip. ( as in if he's still trying to kick me when I'm spanking his rear end I don't quit until he does) Then here's the key factor let it go ( not the hobble) go back to what you were doing. Discipline and move on don't hold on to frustrations or anger etc. round penning kicking issues horse stays on a rope halter with a long lead. They are never allowed to turn their butt to me. Use leverage to make him face you when he tries to turn his butt at you and drive him forward. Really aggressive horses can be worked in the round pen from another horse. Last resort lay them down. <---- this MUST be done a certain way by someone knowledgeable supervising at least or you can get yourself and that colt in a wreak and do more damage then good. I would fix this issue ASAP while he's still small bc he will be a terror at 3 |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | Good article
http://www.thehorse.com/articles/14830/stopping-aggression-problems-with-an-equine-shock-collar |
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 Hog Tie My Mojo
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Do you rope? I would tie him up and heel him, over and over and over and over....... Use a heavier, softer calf roping type rope so the chance of rope burn is minimized, pack a lunch and heel him until he stands quietly and you can use the rope to pull his back legs around a little.
There is always a chance they kick so hard they may hurt themselves but I would rather they do that then hurt someone later on, it is a habit that needs to be stopped.
ETA I only do this after all the groundwork and desensitizing has been done and they are still being a jerk.
Edited by Barnmom 2014-07-14 12:17 PM
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 Namesless in BHW
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | I had a kicker years ago. She tried to kick my head off doctoring her leg...took her out behind the barn, turned the hose on and put water to her legs as hard as the hose would allow me. She kicked the water and herself numerous times until she decided it best to just stand there. Never had a problem after that. |
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Scooters Savior
Location: "Si Fi" Ville | I want to thank each and every one that responded. I actually feel a little better about this problem today. The colt, well not so much. He didn't have nearly the starch he had yesterday but I am sure this war isn't over yet. And, to answer someone's question about why and when he does this, at any given time he is unhappy with his situation, while tied and he no longer wants to stand, at feeding time when he feels you are taking too long, sometimes just because he felt you were interfering with him looking at something, and sometimes just because you are there. I must say he's the kickingest colt I've ever started. The last four were a cake walk compared to him. He will be the last colt I start from scratch. |
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Please help, I have a yearling that is a real bad kicker