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Location: wherever my daughter's running | I just received the below message on FB. I am so taken aback. This has been discussed here as far as federal government. Really did not even see this one coming from our local governement. Apparently it was in a 15 page ordiance that was passed and this part was never really brought to light so this was not questioned. I will be at the meeting. Can anyone give me any suggestions as to key points. I am really shell shocked and not thinking clearly.
Anyone in Union County who owns livestock needs to be at the meeting at the Clemson extension office at 7 pm tonight - county council has passed an ordinance that you have to register every animal you own, get permission to move them from pasture to pasture, notify them when you sell them and also they will come out to your land and tell you how your fences must be and much much more......
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | While at the moment it is shocking, I would go to the meeting and make sure that I invite anyone and everyone that you can. Whether they have livestock or not. I would also call the local farm bureau and their agents and the state farm bureau office. This is something that must not be over looked.
Over reach by a few leads to control by a few. Don't let this happen in your neighborhood. |
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| DANG. Where are you located?? This is a little nuts ... I would DEFINITELY get Farm Bureau involved. That is what they do, stick up for livestock owner rights in government situations.
I would also get EVERYONE I knew to go to the meeting - and I do mean EVERYONE. The more people that show interest and voice their opinions the better to help the local government to "make a decision".
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | This is happening in Union County, SC. I will be at the meeting to get information. I am encouraging everyone I know to attend. I just feel violated right now. We own horses - no cattle. For over 50 years I have known most of the cattle farmers (that's what we call them here - no ranches - just farms :) in our county - the grandfathers, sons/daughters, and now their children who follow in their footsteps. All of them are hard working respectable people who care for their land and livestock. The horse owners in our county do the same. As with everywhere there are a few who get the free/cheap horse thinking they want one and have no idea how to care for it. Animal control has had no problem in the past stepping in a handling these situations. I am clueless as to what brought this on other than a possible revenue source. News of this is spreading rapidly and those sitting on certain boards and have established relationships with the agencies mentioned here to contact are doing/have done so. |
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Location: PNW | I'm speechless. That is truly terrifying.
I'd get EVERYBODY I know (livestock owner or not) and show up at that meeting. How would they plan to regulate these new policies? Is somebody going to be doing daily flyovers of property to see if stock has been moved? Will they also count your stock daily? This is total nonsense. If this actually passed, I'd pack my stuff and get the hell out of there. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | svincent - 2014-07-17 12:08 PM
I'm speechless. That is truly terrifying.
I'd get EVERYBODY I know (livestock owner or not) and show up at that meeting. How would they plan to regulate these new policies? Is somebody going to be doing daily flyovers of property to see if stock has been moved? Will they also count your stock daily? This is total nonsense. If this actually passed, I'd pack my stuff and get the hell out of there.
I'd do all this and make sure everyone arrived with every firearm they owned prepared to kill whoever signed this POS bill.   |
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| Look into The Right To Farm Act. I don't know if you can somehow make it work in your favor but it might be worth a shot. I know around here the feedlot owners use it all the time as an arguement to protect the way they do business. |
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | I got scared for a second as I just moved to Union county....OHIO lol
I would be sooo upset! Get yourself and everyone you know to that meeting!! How can they even do that and keep up with it?! You can't even move them without permission?!?! Whaaaatt?!?! |
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Location: SE Louisiana | I'm starting to think this is bogus..... There is no way anyone would pass this and expect to live through it. |
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| I don't thin kit is bogus. Something similar was tried in Texas years back. The agriculture and horse community got together and shot it down. If I remember right PETA and HSUS were somehow involved. It was quite awhile back so I can't remember exactly. I know they were wanting identification on every horse, cow, pig and sheep and wanted to track them that way. The excuse was Mad Cow disease. |
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Location: Never in one place long | This is scary, the rights of people are slowly being stripped away, government wants to control everything... if this gets passed in your county... what is next? Giving away one freedom will only lead to more being stripped away. I pray that everyone shows up and speaks out!
How will they enforce this is another thing to think about. |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | komet. - 2014-07-17 1:46 PM I'm starting to think this is bogus..... There is no way anyone would pass this and expect to live through it.
As mind blowing as this is I promise you this is not bogus. I wish it were. I live here. I have a call in to my county council member and am hoping I hear from him soon. The person that informed me of this has been my neighbor for her entire life. Her family has been in the cattle business longer than I have been alive which is 56 years. Her brother is attending the meeting tonight to represent their interest. |
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| Make sure the horse show people and trail riders know about this. It will greatly affect them too. Here they sure helped us put a stop to the madness. |
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Location: Finally horseback again.... | That is just crazy.
I think I would get an attorney involved.
it would appear to violate civil rights by telling you what you can do with your animals.
I know in municipal government ( that is where I work) there are ordinances enacted that regulates cleanliness of property such as junk and debris, high weeds and junk cars and such. We can also regulate building sizes and types as well as fence types and heights. These have to be voted on by council, posted legally and public hearings conducted.
However, Im not familiar with a county council.
So they may have the authority to regulate your fence types but I highly doubt it would be legal to try and regulate when you sell or move your animals.
In most cities, they regulate the number of animals you may have but nothing saying you have to tell them when you sell or move them.
IMO, this is pretty much a socialist type move.
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Location: SE Louisiana | GLP - 2014-07-17 12:55 PM I don't thin kit is bogus. Something similar was tried in Texas years back. The agriculture and horse community got together and shot it down. If I remember right PETA and HSUS were somehow involved. It was quite awhile back so I can't remember exactly. I know they were wanting identification on every horse, cow, pig and sheep and wanted to track them that way. The excuse was Mad Cow disease.
Exactly my point.... and Texas would be the WORST place in the country to try to float a turd like this.. |
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Location: Texas | I would also get a lawyer who specializes in property rights involved. If this truly gets put in place, I could see it negatively impacting property values and increase operating expenses for landowners. |
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| cruise - 2014-07-17 12:05 PM I just received the below message on FB. I am so taken aback. This has been discussed here as far as federal government. Really did not even see this one coming from our local governement. Apparently it was in a 15 page ordiance that was passed and this part was never really brought to light so this was not questioned. I will be at the meeting. Can anyone give me any suggestions as to key points. I am really shell shocked and not thinking clearly.
Anyone in Union County who owns livestock needs to be at the meeting at the Clemson extension office at 7 pm tonight - county council has passed an ordinance that you have to register every animal you own, get permission to move them from pasture to pasture, notify them when you sell them and also they will come out to your land and tell you how your fences must be and much much more......
hey i would get ahold of mike green of pelzer sc amd marty folgem asap
friend janell green on fb make sure she know get ahold of nbha also |
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Location: Northeast Nebraska | komet. - 2014-07-17 12:46 PM I'm starting to think this is bogus..... There is no way anyone would pass this and expect to live through it.
You seem to be unaware that we are living in a totaltarian society run by commies and koranimals. |
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| Without the public hearing that was publicly posted for 10 days prior to the meeting they cannot do this. This sounds like it may actually be the public hearing, if so, go and voice your opposition. The commissioners will generally have their mind and vote made up prior to the hearing. If they pass it, replace them with some people that will reverse it. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | GoGaited - 2014-07-17 3:13 PM
komet. - 2014-07-17 12:46 PM I'm starting to think this is bogus..... There is no way anyone would pass this and expect to live through it.
You seem to be unaware that we are living in a totaltarian society run by commies and koranimals.
...and you seem to be unaware that the public in general is still armed...
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Knowledge is Power
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Thank you all for your suggestions and comments. I really appreciate them. I located, read and printed the States' RIght-To-Farm Statutes for the State of South Carolina. The document is in my folder I am taking with me. I will update with what I do find out the meeting. After I have more facts I plan to follow up on some of the other suggestions. From what I understand council members are getting a lot of calls concerning this. I have not heard back from my council member. :( |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | My council member returned my call. The first reading was in Oct. 2013, second reading Nov. 2013. At that point for some reason it was to go back for judicial review. It passed in April 2014 and pretty much contains what was in my original post. Fine for not reporting livestock is 25.00 per head per number of days not reported. Lots of other stuff in it. SKM mentioned the State Right To Farm which he mentioned to me also. This may well make the ordiance null and void. Council has decided to not begin enforcement at this time and want to re/visit this. He was not at the meeting when the final reading was voted on. He also has re-written parts of this after meeting with mbrts of the local cattle end assoc. and others. |
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Location: Mississippi | If these are elected officials, I sure would let them know loud & clear that they will be replaced at the next election & this will be reversed. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | cruise - 2014-07-17 5:12 PM
My council member returned my call. The first reading was in Oct. 2013, second reading Nov. 2013. At that point for some reason it was to go back for judicial review. It passed in April 2014 and pretty much contains what was in my original post. Fine for not reporting livestock is 25.00 per head per number of days not reported. Lots of other stuff in it. SKM mentioned the State Right To Farm which he mentioned to me also. This may well make the ordiance null and void. Council has decided to not begin enforcement at this time and want to re/visit this. He was not at the meeting when the final reading was voted on. He also has re-written parts of this after meeting with mbrts of the local cattle end assoc. and others.
You can't just shove this under the table and ignore it... It needs to be voided so they can't use it later to slap someone down in a pinch.. |
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Location: stray dump capital of the world | You have to wonder where they will get the manpower to enforce this. Heck, my county can't keep up with animal control and strays. Are you in a small county? |
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Location: PNW | cruise - 2014-07-17 5:12 PM
My council member returned my call. The first reading was in Oct. 2013, second reading Nov. 2013. At that point for some reason it was to go back for judicial review. It passed in April 2014 and pretty much contains what was in my original post. Fine for not reporting livestock is 25.00 per head per number of days not reported. Lots of other stuff in it. SKM mentioned the State Right To Farm which he mentioned to me also. This may well make the ordiance null and void. Council has decided to not begin enforcement at this time and want to re/visit this. He was not at the meeting when the final reading was voted on. He also has re-written parts of this after meeting with mbrts of the local cattle end assoc. and others.
Did he give you a reason WHY they want to pass this? Other than just to take a giant leap over the "appropriate for government control" line. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | I looked at your county council meetings minutes. Please go back to the dates that he gave you and review what was said in those meetings. I can't do it on my phone. I had looked while I was at work. It might give you some insight. |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | The part about livestock is being taken out of this ordinance. This was decided this afternoon after our current county supervisor sought legal advice from 2 law firms. Reasons had to do with just what SKM told me to look at - States' Right To Farm. I strongly encourage each of you to check your state's out and remember this in the event you find yourself in a similar situation. Supposedly this started in 2011 when 4 cows got out and were on our 4 lane road. Took lots of law enforcement several hours to get the gathered up. Owner lived in another county, had recently passed leaving no one to take care of situation. Reason ordinance passed to begin with was it was labeled as animal control which lead people to think it had to do with our animal shelter. We are a small county and do not have the capacity to carry out what was first written. Sure there may be more to this than I know about. Just glad it is being done away with and was not and will not be enforced. This got the attention of a few hundred people who will be following county council to see this is carried out. We were reminded at the meeting that elections are in November. :). Thank you again for your advice and concern.
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| I'm glad you looked into that and the information helped you. Most people don't realize there is a Right To Farm Act and it protects farmers and livestock owners from frivolous lawsuits. |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | SKM - 2014-07-17 9:48 PM
I'm glad you looked into that and the information helped you. Most people don't realize there is a Right To Farm Act and it protects farmers and livestock owners from frivolous lawsuits.
Thank you so very, very much for telling me about this. I had no idea it existed. It is extremely valuable information. |
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| Just saw this on the 10 pm news. They never mentioned it at 6 pm. Just that they were going to start charging for exotic animals and certain kinds of dogs (viscous I believe). Glad to see it didn't happen. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | MissBlaze - 2014-07-17 9:12 PM
Just saw this on the 10 pm news. They never mentioned it at 6 pm. Just that they were going to start charging for exotic animals and certain kinds of dogs (viscous I believe). Glad to see it didn't happen.
Uh oh.... There ain't many dogs more vicious than a chihuahua or a JRT.... better get ready to pay extra for those!! |
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| Doesn't anyone remember APHIS requiring all animals including chickens etc etc to be reported all the time and they installed training programs for FFA and 4H kids and some kids could not show their animals due to not being on the APHIS program etc etc ..
APHIS and USDA went into hiding with all of this still as law and they are now coming out of the woodwork to enforce these laws they haven't been enforcing ... go do some googling to see what is coming in the future ... this is just a quick example ... pay attention to everything and then notice in the last portion nearly everything was changed just a little bit to make people think they had changed all the laws ...
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/newsroom/2012/12/pdf/traceability_final_r...
It is like this meeting in SC ... just venting meeting for citizens ... nothing will be really changed unless .... the whole place INSISTS THE ENTIRE LAW BE JUNKED AND ONE PLACED THAT INSURES THIS CRAP CAN NEVER HAPPEN .... these local politicians are working thru APHIS and USDA to start the ball rolling to do the same thing across the nation!!
Everytime the government is going to make everyone safer you know you are screwed ... this SC thing is over 4 loose cows while the other bigger rulings done by USDA and APHIS was for mad cow disease ... NOTHING BUT OVERREACH OF GOVERNMENT ...
Good luck SC ... if you don't get the entire law retracted it will surface again when they start arresting people for taking animals to the vet or sale barns etc etc etc ..
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Since many of you were so helpful with this situation I thought I would share the article from our local newspaper concerning this ordinance. The picture of the crowd attending was made early before they had to start bringing out additional chairs and still there was standing room only when I got there at 7:00
http://www.uniondailytimes.com/news/home_top-news/5315119/Livestock-section-to-be-removed-from-county-ordinance
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Location: ND--it snows, it floods, it snows, it floods | I am guessing that with the EPA and the Clean Water Act and all that crap coming into play the county is trying to push some boundries OR they are gearing up to STOP larger feedlots and hog operations. Unfortunatly this is the climate of todays world and livestock people need to step up and band together. I'm sorry but horses are not pets in the general populations eye they are considered livestock. This may also be a step in trying to control breeding operations and/or puppy mills. |
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