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Location: louisiana | i have a friend that uses it on her mare, that has spurs on her back and hock ......she has made a complete turn around highly recommend this! |
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Location: Central Montana | Wow, $130 for ten days worth.......that puts it out of my reach. I have a gelding with bone spurs on his front feet near the suspensorys (?) and I'm looking for something that might help but no way could I afford this. |
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| help educate me, how would a paste help with a spur ? |
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I was wondering that too and asked on facebook and they gave me their number and said to call and I haven't had the time. When I do I'll post it though |
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| Silver Lining has feet and bone and kidney. I have used them to dissolve spurs and it runs about 150.00 for. 60 days worth. |
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Location: Choctaw, Oklahoma | I believe in the product 100%
I owned a mare with horrid gate issues. So I traded the mare for a gelding. The new owner had her vetted and they found a very bad old stifle injury. She then used ECJR on the mare. She has made a COMPLETE RECOVERY! And is being hauled and entered as we speak. I would not have believed it before. But I would recommend this product to anyone and everyone who has a horse with ANY joint or soundness issue. It is expensive, but for what it does I would have to say it is well worth it.
It is embryonic cell joint repair. Yes it is a paste but it contains much more than just paste. It's a miracle in a tube!
It also comes in a human form.
http://www.equidite.com/ecjr/ |
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Location: stumbling around BHW | Do you have to use it every 10 days, or is it a dosing formula that will clear it up after several doses?
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| You are supposed to use it every day for a month. I have had better luck with Silver Lining Herbs or Horse Power Herbs. |
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| Can I give the silver lining to a prego mare?
I have ordered the ECJR. I figure I'll give it 2 months and re-xray. They said it is 100% safe for prego horses. If I don't see any change I'll try something else. If people are seeing a change in 1 month then I'll give it 2 and see what happens.
I cant do surgery so I have to find something or she's a 5yo brood mare. |
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| Does this have to be given every month or is it a one month deal? I'm confused. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | Ingredients:
Vitamin E Supplement, Sucrose, Salt, Vegetable Oil, Guar Gum, Xanthan Gum, Wheat Germ Oil, Dried Active Yeast, Calcium Citrate, Zinc Methionine Complex, Egg Shell Meal, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product, Natural and Artificial Flavorings.
I would like to know how this product works.... |
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| barrelracr131 - 2014-07-21 8:52 AM
Ingredients:
Vitamin E Supplement, Sucrose, Salt, Vegetable Oil, Guar Gum, Xanthan Gum, Wheat Germ Oil, Dried Active Yeast, Calcium Citrate, Zinc Methionine Complex, Egg Shell Meal, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product, Natural and Artificial Flavorings.
I would like to know how this product works....
Sounds fishy. Sort of like something to spend a ton of money on to feel like you're doing something, while time heals the injury....
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Location: Midwest | I'm pretty sure there are not any embryonic stem cells in this product...per the ingredients
Also, eating stem cells won't repair anything.... that's like saying you could repair a joint injury in a person by eating stem cells. Actual stem cells only will grow and repair tissue if it is implanted into the body.
So I would love for someone to explain to me how this product works in terms of biological pathways.... |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | More quackery. It must be good.....sure costs plenty. I am going to go into naturopathy and set up shop if I can talk Alison to go in with me. I would be interested to know if anyone posting on this is selling it. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I heard it also works well on rusty surfaces. All you need to do is spread a thin film and leave it for to minutes. Wipe it off and ll the rust is gone. It works great on stubborn stains, all the while boosting the immune system by removing toxins. That's not all....try it on toast, or add it to your favorite BBQ sauce for some extra kick. It reinvigorates you and is a popular tool used for wrinkles by plastic surgeons. If you act now, they will throw in a free t-shirt and Ginsu knife. Get this....they also offer a money back guarantee! |
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| Come on y'all. Really? I'm seriously trying to find a way other than an $8000 surgery to save my mare from being a broodmare. I'm glad you guys could find humor in my attempt because from this angle it's not very fun. |
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Location: Midwest | RoaniePonie11 - 2014-07-21 10:21 AM
Come on y'all. Really? I'm seriously trying to find a way other than an $8000 surgery to save my mare from being a broodmare. I'm glad you guys could find humor in my attempt because from this angle it's not very fun.
Look, I've been in your place and tried lots of things that I regret spending my money on. I'm not trying to make light of your situation. If anything, we were making fun of the company rather then you. I understand the desperation and financial limitations! I retired my good horse as a teen because I could not afford to treat him with what he needed to be sound to run.
A good lameness vet should be able to give you the best diagnosis and potential treatment plan, and I would put faith in what they tell you.
I feel your pain because I think a lot of these supplement companies promise the world, but don't deliver the goods, but still charge an arm and a leg. (JMO)
Can you inject her or do anything else besides the stifle surgery? Have you tried maintaining her on Adequan or Legend, or other injectables like Pentosan? How lame is she, and how advanced is the spur?
Injectibles would be my first course of action, or to get a second opinion or send x-rays to various clinics and get quotes on the surgery. You might be able to find a much more reasonably priced avenue. Honestly the loading dose of Adequan is the same cost as the ECJR and it is FDA approved...meaning it has withstood the rigor of clinical trials to show it works.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | RoaniePonie11 - 2014-07-21 10:21 AM
Come on y'all. Really? I'm seriously trying to find a way other than an $8000 surgery to save my mare from being a broodmare. I'm glad you guys could find humor in my attempt because from this angle it's not very fun.
I think things like this are preying upon people in your predicament, Roanie. To my way of thinking, if a product is that good, I would want some good evidence, before spending $300 a month on it. Endorsements and testimonials need to be looked at more critically. Oftentimes when a thread like this pops up, it turns out being nothing more than a cyber infomercial. People desperate for a miracle cure are ripe for the picking. |
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Location: louisiana | RoaniePonie11 - 2014-07-21 10:21 AM
Come on y'all. Really? I'm seriously trying to find a way other than an $8000 surgery to save my mare from being a broodmare. I'm glad you guys could find humor in my attempt because from this angle it's not very fun.
IF YOU HAVE FB, find colton black he is the owner and will give you all the info you would like to know about the product. I love it and wont use anything else |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jw1990 - 2014-07-21 10:38 AM
RoaniePonie11 - 2014-07-21 10:21 AM
Come on y'all. Really? I'm seriously trying to find a way other than an $8000 surgery to save my mare from being a broodmare. I'm glad you guys could find humor in my attempt because from this angle it's not very fun.
IF YOU HAVE FB, find colton black he is the owner and will give you all the info you would like to know about the product. I love it and wont use anything else
Why the mystery? This stinks to high heaven. |
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Location: North Texas | Where is this Colton Black's Testimonials and Scientific Evidence to validate this concoction he is peddling? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Google: How to recognize quackery, pseudoscience, and scams. There is a lot of helpful information out there for anyone interested in spending their money wisely. |
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Location: louisiana | HotbearLVR - 2014-07-21 10:44 AM
jw1990 - 2014-07-21 10:38 AM
RoaniePonie11 - 2014-07-21 10:21 AM
Come on y'all. Really? I'm seriously trying to find a way other than an $8000 surgery to save my mare from being a broodmare. I'm glad you guys could find humor in my attempt because from this angle it's not very fun.
IF YOU HAVE FB, find colton black he is the owner and will give you all the info you would like to know about the product. I love it and wont use anything else
Why the mystery? This stinks to high heaven.
there is no mystery..... I just figured he can explain everything more detail better than anyone of us |
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Location: louisiana | foundation horse - 2014-07-21 11:05 AM
Where is this Colton Black's Testimonials and Scientific Evidence to validate this concoction he is peddling?
http://www.equidite.com/ |
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Location: Midwest | jw1990 - 2014-07-21 11:20 AM foundation horse - 2014-07-21 11:05 AM Where is this Colton Black's Testimonials and Scientific Evidence to validate this concoction he is peddling? http://www.equidite.com/
Testimonials are not considered reliable scientific evidence. I don't see anything else posted on how the product works or any studies regarding efficacy. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | No useful information on that web site. Shrouded in mystery...a mystery concoction, like witch's brew. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jw1990 - 2014-07-21 11:18 AM
HotbearLVR - 2014-07-21 10:44 AM
jw1990 - 2014-07-21 10:38 AM
RoaniePonie11 - 2014-07-21 10:21 AM
Come on y'all. Really? I'm seriously trying to find a way other than an $8000 surgery to save my mare from being a broodmare. I'm glad you guys could find humor in my attempt because from this angle it's not very fun.
IF YOU HAVE FB, find colton black he is the owner and will give you all the info you would like to know about the product. I love it and wont use anything else
Why the mystery? This stinks to high heaven.
there is no mystery..... I just figured he can explain everything more detail better than anyone of us
What was his explanation to you, jw? |
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Location: relocated to Texas | Roanie - you already bought the stuff so I guess you just try it. Curious as to why you ask for opinions after you purchase and not before? |
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Location: louisiana | HotbearLVR - 2014-07-21 11:44 AM
jw1990 - 2014-07-21 11:18 AM
HotbearLVR - 2014-07-21 10:44 AM
jw1990 - 2014-07-21 10:38 AM
RoaniePonie11 - 2014-07-21 10:21 AM
Come on y'all. Really? I'm seriously trying to find a way other than an $8000 surgery to save my mare from being a broodmare. I'm glad you guys could find humor in my attempt because from this angle it's not very fun.
IF YOU HAVE FB, find colton black he is the owner and will give you all the info you would like to know about the product. I love it and wont use anything else
Why the mystery? This stinks to high heaven.
there is no mystery..... I just figured he can explain everything more detail better than anyone of us
What was his explanation to you, jw?
I bought it for my barrel horse I run now and also my hauling partner has tried it on her mare that has bone spurs in her back and on one leg from an old injury we have seen phenomenal results, I have also tried the TMD on my horse and I saw results within a week, each tube is a 10 day supply recommend I buy 3 tubes for the loading dose then its just 20 cc a week so one tube lasts you about 2 months so its really not that expensive compared to most things |
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| Sorry, nobody is making fun of you. We're seriously doubting the product. Have you explored shockwave? Tildren? Injections? Why is the surgery 8,000? I had a full blown kissing spine case with 6 vertebrae nearly cut in half with Dr Honnas and it was less than $4000, plus they had him for a week. |
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Location: Florida.. | . If it sounds to good to be true then it is. If surgery costs 8000 and this cost 150 think about it. The ones that it cured. I would guess its other things like time .their own body fighting it. Etc. Feed thru can go to a spur and dissolve it ? Explain I would like yo know then might consider it. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jw1990 - 2014-07-21 11:49 AM
HotbearLVR - 2014-07-21 11:44 AM
jw1990 - 2014-07-21 11:18 AM
HotbearLVR - 2014-07-21 10:44 AM
jw1990 - 2014-07-21 10:38 AM
RoaniePonie11 - 2014-07-21 10:21 AM
Come on y'all. Really? I'm seriously trying to find a way other than an $8000 surgery to save my mare from being a broodmare. I'm glad you guys could find humor in my attempt because from this angle it's not very fun.
IF YOU HAVE FB, find colton black he is the owner and will give you all the info you would like to know about the product. I love it and wont use anything else
Why the mystery? This stinks to high heaven.
there is no mystery..... I just figured he can explain everything more detail better than anyone of us
What was his explanation to you, jw?
I bought it for my barrel horse I run now and also my hauling partner has tried it on her mare that has bone spurs in her back and on one leg from an old injury we have seen phenomenal results, I have also tried the TMD on my horse and I saw results within a week, each tube is a 10 day supply recommend I buy 3 tubes for the loading dose then its just 20 cc a week so one tube lasts you about 2 months so its really not that expensive compared to most things
Exactly what they want.....someone to tell their "story".
This is what the makers of Garcinia Cambogia do to promote their product. They use testimonials, including one from Dr. Oz. They claim "amazing" results of this "natural", "fat burning" supplement. As far as I know, there is no scientific data to support these claims. In fact, in one double-blind study, the subjects who received a placebo actually lost more weight. BUT....here's the deal.....it's worth a try, because they are now offering, for a limited time" a free second months supply of the fat burner, with each one month order for the low price of $49.95. The reality is they don't care if nobody places a second order. If enough people decide "it's worth a try", they will make a mint. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I'm also questioning the cost of the surgery. I had stifle surgery done on one of mine and it cost $1400 for each stifle...they only did one the first time, but ended up having to do the other later. It was OCD removal, and I would think it would be similar to a spur because they originally thought that's what he had...where are you going to get this surgery done and where do you live? Maybe get some different opinions on vets and call for pricing? |
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| I have a friend that used the ECJR. It seemed like it helped for a while and then quit working. I use Silver Lining Herbs. They do work . I had X-rays done and the spurs were gone. I don't know if you could use it on a pregnant mare. From what i understand Equidite is a oxygen company . So you might try to contact Dr. Jacks who owns oxygen. |
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Location: Muskogee, OK | I would call around and price shop on stifle arthoscopy and spur removal.. $8000 sounds way high to me, especially if it is just one stifle. Arthoscopy at OSU runs about $2000-3000 I believe. I can;t see a stifle arthroscopy and spur removal being much more than that. Did they say what your mares prognosis would be with surgery? It really depends on where the spur is, how much cartilage damage, etc. But if you are really wanting this mare to recover then surgery is your best option. I would not be relying on a supplement to "dissolve" anything, especially an unproven one. |
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| You should ask ifmthey have a money back guarantee. I had a mare that tore her one of,her stifle ligamnets and also her mensicus, could have fixed it but she was 16 and we injected her and she was much improved got her in shape tye next spring and reinjected her carried her to,a big show had a nice first run and themsecond run she comes out,lame on other side i told myself that she done aboutm3 months later she blows a monster absess. Probably could,have fixed her. I,have a nice yearling byma corona cartel son and she is rebred but wint know,til next week,if we are preggo. We had a wierd spring all mares where wierd cycle. |
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| Take you studies and call around, somebody may have a better idea. Stem cell is something like 2300.00. You can do tildren or shockwave or prp. There are a lot of avenues you can visit. |
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| First off sorry I was really tired this morning when I responded so butt hurt. I had been at work all night and then rode that morning so I was exhausted and "touchy"
I'll try to remember everyone's questions. Thanks everyone by the way.
I have her on adequan, did the loading dose.
I have her on Pentosan Gold, has been on pentosan but not the gold for a long time.
I have her on THE MM Special Blend with joint & arthritis.
I injected her stifle April 1 and had acupuncture done (unrelated).
She was good for about 3 months like that and then started hit & miss. One run she was in the bottom 2- top 3. A week later she was 4-5D because she would BLOW the first barrel not being able to support herself with her outside hind to launch from the barrel.
(When she was diagnosed) I took her to Dr. Hague at Oakridge and he immediately saw the issue, blocked it, x-rayed it and injected her. He said he couldn't see the amount of cartilage damage and the amount of time the injection lasts will tell how much damage she's got. The spur is right where the cruciate ligaments cross.
Unfortunately it didn't last. He said if it lasts less than 5-6 mos than surgery is really the only option. I was quoted at least 5K by them and more (8) by the vet I work at (they would take payments so it's kinda my only option).
Someone ask why I was asking for OPs after purchasing instead of before. I did ask before it just never got replied to and I had a few friends of friends on Facebook message me with good experiences with the product and had the $$ at the time. I'm in that financial situation where if you have it extra to do it with, do it because it won't be there next week.
The first tube I bought I got really cheap because a lady wanted rid of it because she was sponsored by a competitor company and didn't want to be using the Equidite products. The second tube I just bought off the site because I sold a colt and had the cash.
Even if I could figure out how to afford the surgery it scares the crap out of me. I have heard more horror stories than good about going into a joint like that.
Wow that was long. Again sorry I got so butt hurt this am. |
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| There is also a generic stem cell called a cell, which the studies have proven just as effective as the fat stem cells. It costs 200/bottle |
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Location: sunny california | surgery fixed mine. I don't think it was anywhere near that price. I think it was 3,000 |
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| I can't explain how this stuff works but I have a 6 year old made that was born with awful hind legs. We did everything to get her on her feet and eventually things turned out. Then at age 3 we broke her and although she seemed to be OK her hind stifles and pasterns would snap and she felt from time to time as though she would go down. Aculife patches helped but didn't stop the popping or snapping feeling. A friend told us about ECJR we used it and this little girl is amazing !!!! I for 1 don't care how it works I just know that our girl is a smoking barrel racing babe , better than her mama (r.i.p Lil) and those where some big horses shoes to fill!! ECJR worth the price for our girl and my piece of mind, the proof is in her healthy joints and the pay window. |
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Location: Texas | I know nothing about the product.. Is the egg shell meal supposed to be the "embryo" part? I know multiple studies have shown that oral joint supplements are for the most part ineffective (other than the anti inflammatory ingredients) because the molecules in glucosamine, HA, etc, etc are HUGE and are nearly completely digested or just go right through without being absorbed by the body. I use oral anti inflammatories but all my joint supplements are injectible. These products are proven to go where whey're needed and can actually heal the injury.
Either way.... I had a horse get laproscopic surgery on both stifles at Oakridge and stayed for 3 days and it was like ... 3000. He was the same way... couldn't see all the damage on ultrasound so decided to just go in and see for sure what was going on and try to fix it. Same horse had colic surgery at ESMS and stayed a week and it was still only like 5-6000. I'd check around and compare prices at some different clinics.
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| fifteenflat - 2014-07-21 11:40 PM
I know nothing about the product.. Is the egg shell meal supposed to be the "embryo" part? I know multiple studies have shown that oral joint supplements are for the most part ineffective (other than the anti inflammatory ingredients) because the molecules in glucosamine, HA, etc, etc are HUGE and are nearly completely digested or just go right through without being absorbed by the body. I use oral anti inflammatories but all my joint supplements are injectible. These products are proven to go where whey're needed and can actually heal the injury.
Either way.... I had a horse get laproscopic surgery on both stifles at Oakridge and stayed for 3 days and it was like ... 3000. He was the same way... couldn't see all the damage on ultrasound so decided to just go in and see for sure what was going on and try to fix it. Same horse had colic surgery at ESMS and stayed a week and it was still only like 5-6000. I'd check around and compare prices at some different clinics.
Actually HA IV has not been proven to go to the joint, my understanding is they have tired attaching radio graphic isotopes to the HA and none of the isotopes were found in the joint.
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Location: Midwest | No worries. We all have our days!
I personally would look into qualifying for care credit. Lots of clinics will take it.
Otherwise I would just give her a year off while I save for the surgery, much as it would suck for me. |
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Location: Florida.. | adollarforannie - 2014-07-22 12:28 AM I can't explain how this stuff works but I have a 6 year old made that was born with awful hind legs. We did everything to get her on her feet and eventually things turned out. Then at age 3 we broke her and although she seemed to be OK her hind stifles and pasterns would snap and she felt from time to time as though she would go down. Aculife patches helped but didn't stop the popping or snapping feeling. A friend told us about ECJR we used it and this little girl is amazing !!!! I for 1 don't care how it works I just know that our girl is a smoking barrel racing babe , better than her mama (r.i.p Lil) and those where some big horses shoes to fill!! ECJR worth the price for our girl and my piece of mind, the proof is in her healthy joints and the pay window.
Probraby had "nothing " to do with the stuff.. glad shes better though..
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| I'm not criticizing, just curious, but why if injections are lasting 90 days or so, are you upset and ready to retire your mare? That seems about right, actually, for bone spurs.
I would definitely be saving to do surgery, but I would be keeping her injected to keep her comfortable at the very least.
I would also be hunting down a teaching hospital, sounds like you could save oodles of money by going road tripping and getting the surgery done for less in a different region. Just a thought. |
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| Bibliafarm - 2014-07-22 9:05 AM
adollarforannie - 2014-07-22 12:28 AM I can't explain how this stuff works but I have a 6 year old made that was born with awful hind legs. We did everything to get her on her feet and eventually things turned out. Then at age 3 we broke her and although she seemed to be OK her hind stifles and pasterns would snap and she felt from time to time as though she would go down. Aculife patches helped but didn't stop the popping or snapping feeling. A friend told us about ECJR we used it and this little girl is amazing !!!! I for 1 don't care how it works I just know that our girl is a smoking barrel racing babe , better than her mama (r.i.p Lil) and those where some big horses shoes to fill!! ECJR worth the price for our girl and my piece of mind, the proof is in her healthy joints and the pay window.
Probraby had "nothing " to do with the stuff.. glad shes better though..
Agree. Stifles usually work themselves out in young horses with excercise and maturation.
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