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 Knowledge is Power
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Just sayin' - interesting
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/22/politics/obamacare-subsidy-ruling/index.html |
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"Heck's Coming With Me"
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Location: Kansas | I saw that on FOX this morning. Appears this could be a major monkey in the Obamacare wrench. Barack is going on a three-day fundraiser. Doubt this will be much of a concern to him just as the immigrants flooding the border isn't.
Two more years of this..............
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 Shelter Dog Lover
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| My daugher just sent me that link. Another example of many of what a mess O care is. A poorly written law. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Just once I would love to hear someone present a logical defense of ObamaCare. Keep in mind that, from it's inception, ObamaCare was designed to be merely a stepping stone to a full blown socialized healthcare system. The guy gets away with looking every American straight in the eye and lying to their face.....no consequences whatsoever. Let's hear one of our progressive BBs defend this....not deflect, but actually defend the blatant lies. |
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Shelter Dog Lover
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| White House To Ignore Court Ruling, Keep Handing Out Obamacare Subsidies 12:25 PM 07/22/2014 Share974 Tweet245 Share Email Print The Obama administration will continue handing out Obamacare subsidies to federal exchange customers despite a federal court’s ruling Tuesday that the subsidies are illegal.A D.C. Court of Appeals panel ruled Tuesday morning that customers in the 36 states that didn’t establish their own exchange and use HealthCare.gov instead cannot be given premium tax credits, according to the text of the Affordable Care Act itself. (RELATED: Federal Court Takes Down Obamacare: Subsidies In Federal Exchange Are Illegal)But the White House said in response that it will continue handing out the billions of taxpayer dollars in subsidies. White House press secretary Josh Earnest said that while the case continues to be battled out in the courts, the administration will continue to dole out billions in tax credits to federally-run exchange customers.“It’s important for people all across the country to understand that this ruling does not have any practical impact on their ability to continue to receive tax credits right now,” Earnest said in a press briefing Tuesday.A three-judge panel issued the ruling Tuesday, concluding 2-1 that the federal subsidies are illegal. The Department of Justice is seeking an en banc ruling from the appeals court, which would require all judges in the court to rule on the case. Eleven judges on the court would hear the case: seven Democrats and four Republicans.That decision will likely also be appealed to the Supreme Court.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/22/obama-administration-to-ignore-court-ruling-on-obamacare-subsidies/#ixzz38DvmvVyG |
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 Hawty & Nawty
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| I can see the bills racking up and then the whole system go down leaving hospitals and patients on the hook for billions.
Way to go, Bummer. |
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 I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Once again Obama is picking and choosing what laws he wants to enforce and ignore. I'll be so glad when this Dicktator is gone. No wonder he is pushing for Elizabeth Warren for President. She would follow in the Dicktators shoes to a T. |
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Hawty & Nawty
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| Nevertooold - 2014-07-23 11:41 AM Once again Obama is picking and choosing what laws he wants to enforce and ignore. I'll be so glad when this Dicktator is gone. No wonder he is pushing for Elizabeth Warren for President. She would follow in the Dicktators shoes to a T.
Yep. Warren is just a new puppet on an old string. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | RidenFly - 2014-07-22 1:40 PM I can see the bills racking up and then the whole system go down leaving hospitals and patients on the hook for billions.
Way to go, Bummer.
This is already happening with medicare/medicaid patients |
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I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | barrelracr131 - 2014-07-22 1:52 PM RidenFly - 2014-07-22 1:40 PM I can see the bills racking up and then the whole system go down leaving hospitals and patients on the hook for billions.
Way to go, Bummer. This is already happening with medicare/medicaid patients
That is why a medicare supplement is so important for people on medicare. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | Nevertooold - 2014-07-22 2:22 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-07-22 1:52 PM RidenFly - 2014-07-22 1:40 PM I can see the bills racking up and then the whole system go down leaving hospitals and patients on the hook for billions.
Way to go, Bummer. This is already happening with medicare/medicaid patients
YUP! And Medicare is SLOW to reimburse doctors and labs for their work, and they barely pay enough to cover costs. |
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Knowledge is Power
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Now this group voted against and another group voted for GEEEZ What mess after mess after mess with Obamacare. Meanwhile I would imagine our boarders are still being overrun. Other world events have center stage right now. Did see where Gov. Perry is sending the National Guard to the boarder on Texas' dime. Putin is spanking us again. Suicide bomber in Benghazi, and of course the Gaza strip. So much happening. I guess I am extremely old fashioned. As times like this I would like to see the president of this country in the oval office speaking to the nation. I do not care how many gadgets he has to keep informed of what is going on and in communication with whoever or how many times his head of FEMA has been to the boarder. It is not the same as him making his presence clear. Can his wife not do some of this fundraising stuff solo? If I am not mistaken, 1 week from Thursday the Senate adjourns for a break. Prehaps he has work to do at home. Just boggles the mind. |
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"Heck's Coming With Me"
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Location: Kansas | barrelracr131 - 2014-07-22 2:24 PM Nevertooold - 2014-07-22 2:22 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-07-22 1:52 PM RidenFly - 2014-07-22 1:40 PM I can see the bills racking up and then the whole system go down leaving hospitals and patients on the hook for billions.
Way to go, Bummer. This is already happening with medicare/medicaid patients
Many doctors are handling that problem by refusing Medicare patients.
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I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Frodo - 2014-07-22 3:37 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-07-22 2:24 PM Nevertooold - 2014-07-22 2:22 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-07-22 1:52 PM RidenFly - 2014-07-22 1:40 PM I can see the bills racking up and then the whole system go down leaving hospitals and patients on the hook for billions.
Way to go, Bummer. This is already happening with medicare/medicaid patients
So far my husband's doctors are still taking Medicare. For how long...who knows? He's an established patient and I do think that helps since he's been using them long before he was on Medicare. I'm sure it will be much harder for me since I don't really have a doctor. |
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  Semper Fi
Location: North Texas | Frodo - 2014-07-22 3:37 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-07-22 2:24 PM Nevertooold - 2014-07-22 2:22 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-07-22 1:52 PM RidenFly - 2014-07-22 1:40 PM I can see the bills racking up and then the whole system go down leaving hospitals and patients on the hook for billions.
Way to go, Bummer. This is already happening with medicare/medicaid patients
That is how a Free Enterprise System/Market works. A Business Owner reserves the right to refuse service to anyone.
Can't say as I disagree with this concept. Freedom is a good thing!  |
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 I'm not opinionated
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Location: Online | Oh, but ACA is so great! As long as you read the NYT...... 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/11/opinion/early-returns-on-health-care-reform.html?_r=0
Edited by rodeomom13 2014-07-22 4:06 PM
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Shelter Dog Lover
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| I was listening to MSNBC discuss a lawsuit in Virginia from someone who does not want to be forced to by insurance, someone who wants the freedom to decide for themselves. Their argument is that you are taking away others freedom to buy insurance, especially those who need the susidies to make it affordable and how immoral it is. Funny how not once did they offer the solution of making the ACA optional so everyone has the freedom to decide what insurance they want, would solve a lot of issues but then of course if they don't shove it down everyone's throats they can't pay for it. Their freedom is defined as making you do what they want and what they decide is best for you. |
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 Famous for Not Complaining
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Pure BS............it is obvious those "happy" their premiums are not increasing to $1200.00 with a $12K deductible........... |
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 Hugs to You
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Frodo - 2014-07-22 4:37 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-07-22 2:24 PM Nevertooold - 2014-07-22 2:22 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-07-22 1:52 PM RidenFly - 2014-07-22 1:40 PM I can see the bills racking up and then the whole system go down leaving hospitals and patients on the hook for billions.
Way to go, Bummer. This is already happening with medicare/medicaid patients
I actually chose a new Dr. based on the fact they didn't take Medicaid. I feel I get better service and my concerns are met with more care. |
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Semper Fi
Location: North Texas | foundation horse - 2014-07-22 3:55 PM Frodo - 2014-07-22 3:37 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-07-22 2:24 PM Nevertooold - 2014-07-22 2:22 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-07-22 1:52 PM RidenFly - 2014-07-22 1:40 PM I can see the bills racking up and then the whole system go down leaving hospitals and patients on the hook for billions.
Way to go, Bummer. This is already happening with medicare/medicaid patients That is how a Free Enterprise System/Market works. A Business Owner reserves the right to refuse service to anyone.
Can't say as I disagree with this concept. Freedom is a good thing!
"I" have such a loyal following that someone actually took the time to dislke "Freedom is a good thing"post. HA! I hope those who disagree actually have the 'previlge' of living under Socialism/Communism! Then see just how much "You" dislke "Freedom is a good thing"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | foundation horse - 2014-07-22 8:51 PM foundation horse - 2014-07-22 3:55 PM Frodo - 2014-07-22 3:37 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-07-22 2:24 PM Nevertooold - 2014-07-22 2:22 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-07-22 1:52 PM RidenFly - 2014-07-22 1:40 PM I can see the bills racking up and then the whole system go down leaving hospitals and patients on the hook for billions.
Way to go, Bummer. This is already happening with medicare/medicaid patients That is how a Free Enterprise System/Market works. A Business Owner reserves the right to refuse service to anyone.
Can't say as I disagree with this concept. Freedom is a good thing! "I" have such a loyal following that someone actually took the time to dislke "Freedom is a good thing" post. HA! I hope those who disagree actually have the 'previlge' of living under Socialism/Communism! Then see just how much "You" dislke "Freedom is a good thing" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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BHW Resident Surgeon
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | foundation horse - 2014-07-22 8:51 PM
foundation horse - 2014-07-22 3:55 PM Frodo - 2014-07-22 3:37 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-07-22 2:24 PM Nevertooold - 2014-07-22 2:22 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-07-22 1:52 PM RidenFly - 2014-07-22 1:40 PM I can see the bills racking up and then the whole system go down leaving hospitals and patients on the hook for billions.
Way to go, Bummer. This is already happening with medicare/medicaid patients That is how a Free Enterprise System/Market works. A Business Owner reserves the right to refuse service to anyone.
Can't say as I disagree with this concept. Freedom is a good thing!
"I" have such a loyal following that someone actually took the time to dislke "Freedom is a good thing" post. HA! I hope those who disagree actually have the 'previlge' of living under Socialism/Communism! Then see just how much "You" dislke "Freedom is a good thing" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't sweat it Clay. I think you probably know who the "disliker" is......at least I do. She doesn't have the nerve to speak up in defense of Obamunism, even though it is vital to her livelihood. Think about it and take a wild guess. |
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Hugs to You
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | We all said people would find a way to cheat the system and get free subsidies over and over. While this was done on purpose, you know (if you have half a brain) that people are actually doing it in real life, or they wouldn't have done the test.
Welcome to America, the land of people who don't work and scam the government at the expense of those who are honest.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/23/fake-applicants-finding-it-easy-to-sign-up-for-obamacare-investigators-say/ |
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 The Comeback Kid
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Location: lost in missouri | My question/thought is, not that it will probably ever happen because Obama and his croonies will make sure we always have ACA, but what if they r ruled to be illegal subsidy payments, we as the taxpayers are owed that money back. Do you actually think they will be forced to pay back the money they got in illegal subsidies my guess is no. it will just be wrote off. There is no way the people who got the subsidy could pay it back since they cant afford healthcare to begin with and i doubt the insurance companies will be made to cough it back up, i mean they are the main reason we have this mess. Would it not be wonderful for every business and service to be able to put enough money in campaigns to buy their way into their goods and services being made law that the American consumer must buy their goods and services. This country is really going down the drain. What really gets me to is how many people do not see ACA as an infringement on their freedom? really? a govt telling u what u have to buy is not an infringement? |
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Knowledge is Power
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | How do you interpret this?
The case centers on a brief description in the health law that says subsidies will be available "through an exchange established by the state."
This was taken from CNN's website. No matter what the "intent" of this statement to me it cleary states an exchange established by the state.
It does not say anything about the federal exchange allowing subsidies. I am sure this is one of many things not caught/read in the thousands of pages that make-up this law.
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I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I have to spend $12,000. before my healthcare kicks in. What a joke $6,000. a year in premiums and a $6,000. deductible for me alone. It's not healthcare..It's catastrophic insurance. But wait..I get a free physical once a year..LOL |
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