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Location: Wide open spaces, Canada. | I know this post will stir up differences in opinions but I need to hear others thoughts on the matter. When a relatively young horse cripples up, what do you do with them? Keep them forever as a pasture ornament, put them down.....?
Long story short, we have a 11 year old mare that we paid a good amount of money for. We purchased her 3 years ago for my husband to calf rope on, she was also a nice heel horse and within merely weeks on barrels she was top of the 1 d . We only got 6 months on her and then she came up very sore. I've taken her to multiple equine lameness vets and spend thousands trying to diagnose her but none can pin point her lameness. She is supposedly papered but I have been unable to track down her papers , so although she is proven, I do not feel comfortable breeding a " grade " mare. So now after giving her 3 years off she has shown no improvements, if anything she is more sore....not even trail rideable. The discussion has come up between my husband and I , what do we do with her....???? He is old school cattle boy and he says if we can't do anything with her we should put her down. I'm not happy about feeding her for the next 20 years but I don't feel right about putting her down.........but I also find myself thinking about horse ppl who are in it as a business.....they can't keep crippled horses around, it just doesn't work that way in business.
Please feel free to post what you would do, or have done in similar situations to help me gain some clarity on the situation.
Here is a short video of her moving .....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vKNAXTaGtCQ
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | if she can carry a foal comfortably, sell her or give her away as a recip mare. Most live cushy lives being baby mamas. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-07-25 11:16 PM if she can carry a foal comfortably, sell her or give her away as a recip mare. Most live cushy lives being baby mamas.
Thats a really good ideal, my friend and neighbor down the road raise's some of the best Running QH's out there and his recip mares are just beautiful. |
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | First, I'm sorry you have to go through this!
Second, I'm not in this for the business, but because I love them and it's my hobby.
I bought my gelding as a 6 year old that had 60 days on the pattern and just needed finished out. Over the next year I worked with a trainer and got him going really nice and started hauling him quite a bit. Then he started going lame. Over the next 5 years he was sound off and on with different treatments, injections. Just about every vet we went to had a different theory on what was going on and it would work for a few months(give or take) and then he would be hurting again. 2 years ago we finally got an answer, he has navicular! At that point he was dead lame almost every day. Sometimes had days where he didn't want to do anything because he hurt. We tried lots of meds, injections, powders, and finally getting his feet shod a certain way made him comfortable but not sound enough to ride or compete on but enough to keep him comfortable and happy. Before we got him comfortable we really considered putting him down. He is 14 now and will live out his life here with me as long as I can financially provide for him(and all my others). I don't like the uncertainty there is when giving him away as a pasture pet or something like that because he really is "worthless". But to me, I feel that I purchased him and promised to give him a home and love him. It's not his fault he is hurt. Not his fault he can't be ridden anymore. That's how I see it, if from a "business" type position I am sure it's way different. And I can see their side of it as well.
I think you need to decide if your willing to pay to feed a pasture pet of of putting her down is better especially if she isn't comfortable, then putting her down would be the best for her. |
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-07-26 12:16 AM
if she can carry a foal comfortably, sell her or give her away as a recip mare. Most live cushy lives being baby mamas.
This is great too!! I never even thought about that!! |
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| Now first off I have several who were never sound to ride due to injury as babies but they were nicely papered and have given me wonderfull foals. I did have a mare we raised who had a very bad knee due to a nutritional problem with the mare after she foaled. I raised one foal out of her and then gave her to a lady as a recip mare. She was living the good life. |
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Location: The edge of no where | I'm so sorry. Tough road. If I wasn't good with just keeping her as a pasture ornament, then I would put her down. I wouldn't take the chance of sending her down the road. |
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| Kudos to you for asking such a difficult question, a lot of people only think what is best for them and not for the horse. Is she comfortable as a pasture puff or is she still in pain? I had an awesome barrel mare that developed navicular. We had it manageable for a couple years, and then she went downhill. This was a mare that loved to work and it wasn't fair to her to limp around in the pasture all the time, so we put her down last year. It was hard and I miss her a lot, but it was time to go. In my case, that was the best choice. She's running free of pain somewhere up there now. :) |
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| Very similar situation happened to me twice. One was with a mare and about 2 months out she was very lame. Navicular. Too lame to be a trail horse even. Luckily she had foaled a 1D horse and was papered so she went on to be a broodmare. I loved her and it broke my heart to let her go. Bought a gelding who was a head horse and got him going on barrels. Loved him, but about 6 months out he would turn up lame after working patterns, then be sound a couple days later. Any time you worked patterns he was lame the next day. He was diagnosed with navicular. He was 9. He was pretty sound if you just rode lightly and he was very broke, so luckily we found him a home with a little girl and her family loves him. It was hard to let him go as well, I loved him. I just can't afford to keep one around that can't be competed on. I was lucky to find good homes for both. Maybe someone needs a recip mare or just needs a companion horse. Best of luck. I know it's difficult |
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| I think its a case by case situation.
Is the mare stable? Meaning is her condition getting worse? If shes slowly worsening personaly I would not breed her. Depending on the issue I wouldent breed a lame horse at all, preagincy is hard on a body, and at the end its alot of weight to cary around 24/7 and a spunky colt to keep up to.
Does she have a quality of life? Is she happy and thriving?
I have lots of room and pasture so I can keep an "unproductive" animal if I want to. I would keep her if she was comftrotable and happy, if not I would end her pain. |
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| Personally, I am in a position where I may be facing the same thing. Mine is 5 and registered. In this horses case I will keep her til the day she dies. She was my first horse that I did all by myself and my baby. Now that being said if any of my others were to do this and they weren't breeding worthy I would try to find a companion home with an agreement that if they ever want rid of the horse to contact me first and that I would come get it. I don't want a horse I took under my care to go to a kill buyer but if I can avoid having them put down by finding a good home with an easy life I would. That being said if the horse could not easily be kept comfortable (meaning if it took a butt load of $ to keep the horse comfortable) I would have it put down because I won't out that $ into a pasture ornament and I know no one else truly would either.
As for the recip suggestion I would make sure she goes to a great home. I mean really check it out. Recip lives aren't as cushy as some might think. I work at a vet that is 85% repro and I deal with recips everyday. 9 out of 10 don't get anything but fed. Meaning they don't get their feet done, they don't get handled well, they don't get treated if they are injured and not Prego or have a baby on them. The recips I deal with are 99% race recips. Could be different with other disciplines.
Prayers for your decision. I'm very sorry. |
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Location: Wide open spaces, Canada. | della - 2014-07-26 5:10 AM
I think its a case by case situation.
Is the mare stable? Meaning is her condition getting worse? If shes slowly worsening personaly I would not breed her. Depending on the issue I wouldent breed a lame horse at all, preagincy is hard on a body, and at the end its alot of weight to cary around 24/7 and a spunky colt to keep up to.
Does she have a quality of life? Is she happy and thriving?
I have lots of room and pasture so I can keep an "unproductive" animal if I want to. I would keep her if she was comftrotable and happy, if not I would end her pain.
Her condition does appear to be worsening . She moves sore all the time and points her front right foot. She is out on 80 acres with 6 others and keeps up fine with them , I even see her sprinting around with them sometimes , even though she moves funny. She seems quite happy. |
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Location: where ever my L/Q trl is parked | I took a super nice grade 1d mare ( she was 7)up to Royal Vista Ranch in Purcell, Oklahoma several years ago to be used as a receiptant mare. She came up with what they call benched knees... I knew it would come a day she wouldn't be able to run and I didn't want to put her down. They will take healthy mares just for that and they do take care of them. Considering some are carrying or will be carrying high $$$$ babies. |
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| The recip mare is a great idea! But I would caution you about "giving" any horse away, unless you make a specific contract stating that the mare would be returned to you when she is no longer fit as a recipient. And unfortunately, even a contract doesn't guarantee anything these days.
Otherwise, when her days as a recip mare are done, she could find herself on a ONEWAY, OVERCROWDED semi trailer to a MEXICAN or CANADIAN slaughter house.
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Location: Around here somewhere... | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-07-25 10:16 PM
if she can carry a foal comfortably, sell her or give her away as a recip mare. Most live cushy lives being baby mamas.
This is what I would do... But I'd use her myself lol I'm actually in a very similar situation myself. |
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| There is a lot worse thing then being put down humanly. If she is getting worse and lame all the time then I would say that her quality of life isn't all that great. Carrying a foal would only make her more miserable. Think about how bad you hurt when you have a sore foot or something, would you want to carry extra weight around. Think about what is in the horses best interest not your feelings. |
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| MS2011 - 2014-07-25 11:55 PM
I'm so sorry. Tough road. If I wasn't good with just keeping her as a pasture ornament, then I would put her down. I wouldn't take the chance of sending her down the road.
I have to agree. |
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| HorseMommyFiveO - 2014-07-26 12:32 PM
MS2011 - 2014-07-25 11:55 PM
I'm so sorry. Tough road. If I wasn't good with just keeping her as a pasture ornament, then I would put her down. I wouldn't take the chance of sending her down the road.
I have to agree.
This. So sorry. |
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| I guess I have a case by case opinion... but I had a gelding I gave away to a "rescue/pasture home." Worst thing I could have done for him, long story short he was starved there, then handed to someone else who is now riding him. He's NOT sound to ride... Lots more to the story, but I would have rather put him down then see him go through what he has since I decided to give him away. Have tried getting him back several times, but I had no contract beyond his first home and was impossible. |
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Location: Florida.. | classicpotatochip - 2014-07-26 1:34 PM
HorseMommyFiveO - 2014-07-26 12:32 PM
MS2011 - 2014-07-25 11:55 PM
I'm so sorry. Tough road. If I wasn't good with just keeping her as a pasture ornament, then I would put her down. I wouldn't take the chance of sending her down the road.
I have to agree.
This. So sorry.
I agree I'm sorry you have this decision to make. Its so hard. Prayers |
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Location: Wide open spaces, Canada. | Here is a short video of her moving .......
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Well I see that she does have a problem, I would let her live her life out in pasture or find someone that wants a pasture pet/companion horse. I have a gelding in the same shape, his is King of his pasture, will live his days out here. |
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Location: Florida.. | Southtxponygirl - 2014-07-26 4:52 PM Well I see that she does have a problem, I would let her live her life out in pasture or find someone that wants a pasture pet/companion horse. I have a gelding in the same shape, his is King of his pasture, will live his days out here.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bibliafarm - 2014-07-26 4:00 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-07-26 4:52 PM Well I see that she does have a problem, I would let her live her life out in pasture or find someone that wants a pasture pet/companion horse. I have a gelding in the same shape, his is King of his pasture, will live his days out here.
She does look very happy and healthy.  My gelding broke his coffin bone as a 2 year old, hes 14 this year. Some days he really sore and most days he's chasing someone around letting the others know hes the boss. |
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Location: Phoenix | We had a crippled yearling gelding....like really crippled. Sometime was messed up in his hips. We gave him away to someone. She owned a rescue facility and we knew he'd have a good forever home. If we didn't do that, dad was ready to send him on the slaughter truck or put him down ourselves. It's sad but practical. |
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Location: North Dakota | I'm in the same place with one of mine. She's been lame for a year, and I've gotten to the point where I'm not going to keep dumping money into expiramenting. I recently decided to turn her out on 80 acres with a small herd, since she is comfortable just wandering around getting fat. I'll pull her out in a year and see if time has healed anything. If not...I don't know....I wouldn't trust her with kids. She has papers but I sure as heck am not breeding her. I can't bear the thought of putting her down. She's only 7. The idea of spending $150/month on her board sucks, but she's my responsibility, so there's really no winning in this situation. |
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Location: Central Montana | Ok guys, I'm in the same boat. I have an 8yr old finished reiner that has navicular (you can see the holes on the xrays) and bone spurs next to the suspensories. I have over $2,000 in vet bills since March diagnosing him and treating him with Tildren.
The Tildren helped but not as much as I was hoping, he is pasture sound and when injected would be riding sound, sound enough to show western pleasure, trail, or just trail ride. I love the horse to death, he has a one in a million personality, therefore I would not ever consider putting him through the roles, drills, practice, to rein him at a competitive level.
Just being shod correctly with no injections he is pefectly pasture sound - also - when shod correctly and on good days riding sound, once again with no injections. I've had two different vets tell me that once you de-nerve the clock starts ticking and you have about 1 1/2 years to expect to have the horse be in good shape before all kinds of other foot issues start happening. With all of the threads on de-nerving on here, no one has ever mentioned anything like that.
I'm out of money to spend on any more treatments. Especially since I know I'm looking at the fact there is no way it is going to get better. I can't afford to keep a horse I can't use because we have to feed hay all year round at over $200/ton.
One of my friends thinks if I should just put him down and not try to find another home for him, because there is no guarantee that he is going to be taken care of. I totally agree with her. I know how hard it would be to home a horse with issues and be guaranteed that someone would keep up with the shoeing and injecting if they wanted to ride him.
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Location: The edge of no where | GoinJettin - 2014-07-27 5:42 PM
Ok guys, I'm in the same boat. I have an 8yr old finished reiner that has navicular (you can see the holes on the xrays) and bone spurs next to the suspensories. I have over $2,000 in vet bills since March diagnosing him and treating him with Tildren.
The Tildren helped but not as much as I was hoping, he is pasture sound and if injected would probably be riding sound, sound enough to show western pleasure, trail, or just trail ride. I love the horse to death, he has a one in a million personality, therefore I would not ever consider putting him through the roles, drills, practice, to rein him at a competitive level.
Just being shod correctly he is pefectly pasture sound when shod correctly and on good days riding sound. He is not going to show again though. I've had two different vets tell me that once you de-nerve the clock starts ticking and you have about 1 1/2 years to expect to have the horse be in good shape before all kinds of other foot issues start happening. With all of the threads on de-nerving on here, no one has ever mentioned anything like that.
I'm out of money to spend on any more treatments. Especially since I know I'm looking at the fact there is no way it is going to get better. I can't afford to keep a horse I can't use because we have to feed hay all year round at over $200/ton.
One of my friends thinks if I should just put him down and not try to find another home for him, because there is no guarantee that he is going to be taken care of. I totally agree with her. I know how hard it would be to home a horse with issues and be guaranteed that someone would keep up with the shoeing and injecting if they wanted to ride him.
I would put him down. You've given him a great life, tried everything possible to get him usable.... I understand not being able to just keep a pasture ornament. We have a few acres, but everything is fed alfalfa twice a day....it's not cheap.
If he was mine, I would be more ok with knowing he didn't suffer and is running around on 4 good legs in heaven (yes, horses do go to heaven). I couldn't deal with worrying about someone else making sure he got the treatment he requires to stay comfortable. |
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| I had a filly I bought as a weanling and had an accident in the pasture right before her second year (slipped or fell never saw it) I spent thousands trying to get her sound....Our only option was stall rest that was so strict she could not even leave her stall for at least 1 year. ..then it would be a big if she would ever be sound and the lameness vet said if she were to be sound it would be a small amount of time. Still makes me sick. She was papered well enough to make a decent broodmare eventually so last I knew she went to Alabama. ..just makes me sick. |
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Location: Wide open spaces, Canada. | It's such a horrible scenario for so many of us . I just wish they could fix them all, but I know that's not realistic. |
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