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Location: Peach State | If you have any experience with horses out of this line please share. I have a 5 year old out of Lowry Super Star (goes back to lowry hancock jr) and pretty Prill hancock (back to blue valentine). He's got a motor and athletic build but anytime he gets 4-5 days he wants to buck. Not bad just throwing a fit bc he doesn't want to have to do something. I've heard these hancocks typically have better attitudes once they have a job, but wanted some more input. |
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| Mine that I have was like that until he was about 7 he literally had to have the snot rode out of him almost everyday and then one day in the spring he just turned completely into a different horse in the fact my husbands team roping partner has one as well and he was the same way its like all of a sudden maturity hits them overnight and they turn into dreams that will work themselves into the ground for you. I always view it as they are testing you to see if you will stick it out with them. |
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| I love my Hancock gelding. He did mature late but was always very laid back and easy to train. I would get another. He is built like a house and is super handy. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Most horses do better with a job. And plenty of hancock/blue valentine horses are known to be buckers. Doesn't make them bad horses or people wouldn't keep breeding them. They tend to be hard workers and have nerves of steel. You can't beat one into the ground if you try. Had one in high school. Great animal. However, now that I'm a bit older . . . I like my butt in the saddle lol. |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | I have a nine year old Hancock/driftwood bred mare. She does need to be used consistently. Otherwise she becomes an antsy fart. Never has bucked. But very go go go. However, she is the hardest working, most people-pleasing horse I have ever had the pleasure of owning. I would breed her in a heartbeat(for myself) if I put effort in to knowing what she would cross well with. |
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Location: NC | I have a 4 yr old I bought this winter green broke. I just had a baby in Feb and I only get to ride her like once every month or 2, but each time she does the same no young silliness or overly fresh. In fact I rode her on a big sanctioned trail with like 800 horses and she did great crossed water and everything. She seems to be smart and catch on fast. I am hoping to send her to a training soon who can put constant time on her and look forward to seeing how she does. :)
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Location: Oxford, Kansas | I have a 2 yr old that has Blue Valentine in three different places and another Hancock bred mare in his pedigree. He bucked like a crack house the first 3 or 4 times saddled but now has a solid 30 days on him and he has never tried to buck with a rider. It's so strange how the switch flipped immediately, I now trust him completely not to buck at all he is VERY quiet but sweet, hard working, and so so smart! I think he is going to make me a very nice horse and I would love to have another! |
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Location: Peach State | The more I ride him the better he does, but it just seems everytime I give him just a little break he goes back to being green broke with a very unwilling attitude. I have hopes of making him a rodeo horse but I'd prefer for barrels not broncs lol |
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Location: lone star state | They are generally very tough horses both physically and mentally. If you ever get past the buck they are usually great horses. They do require more riding than some other bloodlines due to their toughness. Working cowboys love them because they are tough and cowy. My colt trainer told me their attitude comes from the mare so depending on how broncy tough his mama was has an influence on the colt. |
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| I have had my gelding since he was 3 he is 15 now. He never ever offered to buck or rear and is not spooky at all. He is tough and loves people. I know everyone's experience is different. He is out of a Hancock stud and a rip rip mare |
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Location: South | I own a daughter of Joe Hancocks Drifter. I'll be the first to tell you that she was "contrary" to put it in a nice way :) After several months of intensive ranch work, like everyone else one day it's like the light bulb clicked on! I absolutely love her! She is one of the most hardest working horses I've every owned. I bought her as a 6 year old barrel prospect and have since started her on the pattern. She now is 9 years old and is clocking 4D times with very limited hauling. She loves cattle, and will pen, cut, sort, them all day long. I would own 5 more if my husband would let me. She is also the type that I can go run barrels and she drops her head walks out like quite cutting horse. I can also let an inexperience rider on her and she will take good care of them.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/plr+sunday+jewel
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Location: Kansas | I like blue valentine horses, but you really need to give them a job to keep their mind busy. Good horses, I wouldn't hesitate to own another one. |
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Location: SW MO | We have bred Blue Valentine horses for years Our senior sire has 22 crosses to Joe Hancock & is about 30% Blue Valentine. A lot of his foals have over 40 crosses to Joe Hancock. We have never had any problem with them bucking, most of them never even buck the first time you saddle them. Rafter the stallion has never bucked. You can go months without riding him saddle him up get on and ride off. He doesn't need warmed up. He is athletic and quick, he is very soft in the mouth, gives easy to pressure & is very level head nothing shakes him up. He has produced several performance & speed event horses. A few years ago one of his offspring was resv. Champion in the MO state timed events.
But I have know a lot of people who have had trouble with Lowry Star horses they are super horses, but you have to really be a rider to get them there.
Even though we breed Hancock horses there are lines of Hancock we stay away from Lowry Star is one of them.
Please don't think I'm knocking them I'm not, they can as I said make super horses |
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Location: Somewhere in the middle of nowhere | I could brag on my guy all day long...he is a big horse with a strong work ethic. I bought him as a yearling and he is now 7...he is the nicest, best horse I have ever sat on. |
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Location: Oxford, Kansas | http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/cinsational+bailey
This is my colt, granted I understand how far back the Hancock is probably plays a role but also there is ALOT of Hancock so I would think even though it is so far back alot of the characteristics are still there. My colt is almost lazy to a fault lol I wish he was a bit more lively/spooky, shoot I rode him at a new indoor arena the other night with cows in the back and two big fans blowing right at the gate and he walked right up to the fans without a care in the world. NOTHING has spooked this colt but he is a little untrusting until he gets to know you. I picked him up for $100 at a cattle auction as an untouched stud colt about 90 days ago and I'm sure glad I did, I believe he's going to be the nicest, cheapest horse I've ever bought! |
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Location: South | I like the cross of that colt. Mine is very lazy too!
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Location: The barn...where else? SW Missouri | I have a 4 year old mare that is double bred Hancocks Blue Boy on top and Gooseberry, Blue Valentine on the bottom. She is the sweetest most willing horse I've ever ridden. She only has about 120 rides on her and she has never ever bucked, even after not being ridden for weeks at a time. I've only owned her since last December. It took her a little bit to trust me, but now that she does she searches me out when she sees me or hears me outside. She is my buddy. My mom has a 1/2 sister to her out of the same sire and she is super sweet and willing also. Mom loves her. I would own a whole field full of them bred like these mares.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/w+lady+drift+dandy
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Location: Louisiana | Can't say enough about my Playgun/Hancock gelding - 8 years old had him since he was three - no buck what so ever. Solid 3d barrel horse as well as a jam up heading and heeling horse.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/hank+n+hancock
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Location: NC | This is my girl. She is super friendly always meets you in the pasture. If she sees my car pull up she heads to the fence. and boy oh boy is she a cookie monster!!! haha My only complaint is I wish she were a little taller she is about 14.3 and I don't think she will get much taller... :-/
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Location: SE KS | This is my filly's pedigree, she's only a yearling, but seems laid back & tough. Easy to handle & get along with, she's had her feet trimmed 3 times, the farrier remarked how well she stood for him!!! Can't wait to start her!!!
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Location: Peach State |
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/speed+super+star
Here's his full pedigree. We have start him in the roping pen but like I said I would also like to run barrels on him too. |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | Hancock is my fav bloodline actually... I have 3 out of 4 horses in my pasture that go back to Hancock. I have had had about 3 others and loved them all and all went on to do really well for their new owners.
None of mine have been buckers... Now mine will spook lol... but mine all LOVE to have jobs...
I take my time with them as young horses and drill it in there right, and you won't have to retrain um...
I had a mare (who had NOT 1 ounce of hancock) that was COLD BACKED if given 1 day off or 5, lol I learned with her, it was just her thing, I saddled her first and rode her last, that helped a bunch, and if it had been a couple days, I just ponied her for about 5 min and she rode right off. Are you saddling and just getting on? or giving him a little time with the saddle and the thinkin tree?
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Location: Carpenter, WY | Rocky went to Blue Valentine 5 x http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/polecats+shadow
After Dan had broken his back and had a total hip replacement out of all the horses on this place this 3 yr old ranch broke gelding was the horse he chose to ride for his first time back in the saddle. Dan mounted from the back of a flat bed trailer and this gelding took great care of him. He never, ever offered to buck even after weeks of layoff and is the 3rd or 4th BV we've had. We ended up selling him to a ranch lady up north who had broken her back and wanted something safe to ride and Rocky is doing as welll for her as he did for us.
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | teehaha - 2014-07-31 3:07 PM Rocky went to Blue Valentine 5 x http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/polecats+shadow
After Dan had broken his back and had a total hip replacement out of all the horses on this place this 3 yr old ranch broke gelding was the horse he chose to ride for his first time back in the saddle. Dan mounted from the back of a flat bed trailer and this gelding took great care of him. He never, ever offered to buck even after weeks of layoff and is the 3rd or 4th BV we've had. We ended up selling him to a ranch lady up north who had broken her back and wanted something safe to ride and Rocky is doing as welll for her as he did for us.
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Location: Carpenter, WY | Rock was a pretty cool dude Cindy and quite a character :) I'm so glad this lady feels safe enough on him to take off by herself and just cover some ground! |
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Location: In a happy place | I had a Blue Valentine and won a bunch on him. I wish I had never sold him! |
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Location: Somewhere around here | I honestly don't know too much about Blue Valentine horses but Hancock I do. Definitely need a consistent job otherwise they will start pulling crap, bucking, or running off. Or at least that's what my husbands horse is like lol. Once they are going consistently though they will work until the day is done. |
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Location: Texas | My son has 2 geldings that are Hancock bred. Full brothers. One is bay roan and the other a red roan and these boys are huge. They have never been ridden very much with any consistancy and spend most of there time being pasture ornaments but are easy to handle, come right to you in the pasture. My son has a target set up in the pasture and likes to shoot. These horses don't flinch and are afraid of nothing. Stace Smith has to furnish 25 saddle horses for the Cheyenne Rodeo to use for the introduction of officials at the beginning of each rodeo performance and these boys have gone the last two years. If you went to this year you may have seen the bay roan used to carry the American flag. As far as I know, he had never carried a flag before. |
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| I owned one and have ridden a few. Maybe it was the cross but they have been heavy footed and I almost have to train them where to put their feet and how to use their body. The one I owned is just now good at 8 years old with his new owners. He bucked my a$$ off 5 times. I've ridden a lot of horses and only been bucked off a few one time each before him. I don't mind cold backed but I could be riding for an hour and bam. |
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Location: where ever my L/Q trl is parked | Neighbor down the road here has a really nice grulla roan stud. He's 5 yr old and built like a brick house. She bred 2 of her mare and they both had fillies... one palomino and the other line back dun.... they have both now started shedding out- a grulla with black points and face and they other a gray/grulla line back.
Beautiful and very friendly from the first day on the ground.
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Location: fun meter pegged OK | The 4 yr old filly in my avatar has Blue Valentine and plenty of Hancock breeding. Outside of the fact that she is highly impatient (has to be moving all the time) she has never once offered to buck. Very light and to smart for her own good. Cow horse through and through. 
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/blue+fire+azul
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Location: NC | teehaha - 2014-07-31 3:07 PM Rocky went to Blue Valentine 5 x http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/polecats+shadow
After Dan had broken his back and had a total hip replacement out of all the horses on this place this 3 yr old ranch broke gelding was the horse he chose to ride for his first time back in the saddle. Dan mounted from the back of a flat bed trailer and this gelding took great care of him. He never, ever offered to buck even after weeks of layoff and is the 3rd or 4th BV we've had. We ended up selling him to a ranch lady up north who had broken her back and wanted something safe to ride and Rocky is doing as welll for her as he did for us.
I just saw Rocky's dam was out of the same stud as my mare, hope thats a good sign for my mare. :) |
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| crossspur - 2014-07-31 11:19 AM
We have bred Blue Valentine horses for years Our senior sire has 22 crosses to Joe Hancock & is about 30% Blue Valentine. A lot of his foals have over 40 crosses to Joe Hancock. We have never had any problem with them bucking, most of them never even buck the first time you saddle them. Rafter the stallion has never bucked. You can go months without riding him saddle him up get on and ride off. He doesn't need warmed up. He is athletic and quick, he is very soft in the mouth, gives easy to pressure & is very level head nothing shakes him up. He has produced several performance & speed event horses. A few years ago one of his offspring was resv. Champion in the MO state timed events.
But I have know a lot of people who have had trouble with Lowry Star horses they are super horses, but you have to really be a rider to get them there.
Even though we breed Hancock horses there are lines of Hancock we stay away from Lowry Star is one of them.
Please don't think I'm knocking them I'm not, they can as I said make super horses
THIS ^^^
Lowry Star = prepare to be ground pounded and become a lawn dart more often than not :) At least in my experience with 'em. |
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Location: Peach State | lindseylou2290 - 2014-08-01 9:30 AM
crossspur - 2014-07-31 11:19 AM
We have bred Blue Valentine horses for years Our senior sire has 22 crosses to Joe Hancock & is about 30% Blue Valentine. A lot of his foals have over 40 crosses to Joe Hancock. We have never had any problem with them bucking, most of them never even buck the first time you saddle them. Rafter the stallion has never bucked. You can go months without riding him saddle him up get on and ride off. He doesn't need warmed up. He is athletic and quick, he is very soft in the mouth, gives easy to pressure & is very level head nothing shakes him up. He has produced several performance & speed event horses. A few years ago one of his offspring was resv. Champion in the MO state timed events.
But I have know a lot of people who have had trouble with Lowry Star horses they are super horses, but you have to really be a rider to get them there.
Even though we breed Hancock horses there are lines of Hancock we stay away from Lowry Star is one of them.
Please don't think I'm knocking them I'm not, they can as I said make super horses
THIS ^^^
Lowry Star = prepare to be ground pounded and become a lawn dart more often than not : ) At least in my experience with 'em.
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Location: Texas | Hancocks are hard headed and can be broncs but I have heard they are awesome if you can get past that part. I personally do not like Blue Valentines at all they all want to trip and fall down they are so unathletic. |
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| Roan Horse Ranch has several yearling bay and blue roans, and several 2014 colts and fillies for sale. They are all roans. If interested in pics or other info please email roanhorseranch@yahoo.com. They are big soggy horses up to 16+ hands |
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Location: Texas | I have a 9 year old gelding that is Oklahoma fuel on the top out of a mare that goes back to Lowry Star. He is awsome. Good minded, athletic, fast. Turn him out for months, same horse next time you get on him. Like him so much gonna buy his momma and hopefully make another just like him.
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