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Location: where the wind blows | A patient with the E-boli virus is being shipped to an American hospital? Atlanta I think? Is this not absolutely assinine if it's true? Anyone heard anything? |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | I actually heard two of them on the news this morning. Being flown by special plane. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | I think there are actually 2 of them coming. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Yep....seems pretty asinine to me......why not treat them there? |
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Location: Sperry, OK | NJJ - 2014-08-01 12:20 PM Yep....seems pretty asinine to me......why not treat them there?
Becaue they don't have the state of the art quarantine/biomedical procedures nor first class medicines. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Dock a ship off shore over there and treat away is my feeling. We are leaving a Marine in Mexico and bringing THIS back to the states??? |
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Location: NC | I feel for the individuals and their families.... but does make me nervous.... |
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Location: Sperry, OK | GLP - 2014-08-01 12:42 PM They are americans aren't they?
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Yes, you heard correctly. They are bringing them to Emory Hospital in Atlanta, GA. It is supposed to be one of only I think 4 hospitals in the country that have the isolation facilities claimed to able to care for this person(s). I have read several articles and they are not being clear on which on of the Drs. , or if both of the Drs. are coming - citing HIPPA as the reason. I saw a segment on the plane they sent last night to fly them to the US. It has an isolation room (looked like a plastic greenhouse). Inside is the bed for the person which is also covered in a smaller version of the isolation room. All contact with the person with the disease is done by reaching arms in openings. All of which are covered/sealed. Any wasted from the person is baged and sealed and left in the isolation chamber over the bed. Still very scary to me. One slip up and it could be bad. |
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Location: Midwest | Think about it... if you were American, you'd want to be back here too...
Honestly, the CDC is all over this I assume. An outbreak would be more likely to come from someone who slips under the radar because they are not yet showing symptoms, not these folks. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | barrelracr131 - 2014-08-01 2:15 PM Think about it... if you were American, you'd want to be back here too...
Honestly, the CDC is all over this I assume. An outbreak would be more likely to come from someone who slips under the radar because they are not yet showing symptoms, not these folks.
Since they are coming to Atlanta, we might be getting a little more info locally.
I would want to be home and in America getting treated. However, it is one of the risks you take when you volunteer to work in other countries.
I still feel skeptical and realize it will only take one extremely small mistake to have big consequences. |
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Location: California | I believe it will make its way to the US via an infected person not showing symptoms yet. |
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Location: Midwest | Bankroll - 2014-08-01 1:19 PM I believe it will make its way to the US via an infected person not showing symptoms yet.
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Location: Midwest | 3canstorun - 2014-08-01 1:18 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-01 2:15 PM Think about it... if you were American, you'd want to be back here too...
Honestly, the CDC is all over this I assume. An outbreak would be more likely to come from someone who slips under the radar because they are not yet showing symptoms, not these folks. Since they are coming to Atlanta, we might be getting a little more info locally.
I would want to be home and in America getting treated. However, it is one of the risks you take when you volunteer to work in other countries.
I still feel skeptical and realize it will only take one extremely small mistake to have big consequences.
That is true, but honestly, the folks dealing with this have extensive experience working with infectious diseases. This will not be taken lightly. Even at the hospital I work at, there are emergency plans and procedures for handling worse more contagious diseases than this virus (IE Tuberculosis, which is in fact airbourne). They have great isolation technology these days. It's much different from the olden days of the plagues.
I would be more concerned about world travelers coming in from the hot zones, as the incubation period is something like up to 21 days I think before they show symptoms. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | What makes me mad is they tried to do it secretly and only an unnamed source got the news out as soon as the special plane left the USA last night. These will be the 1st two known cases in the USA excluding the ones near DC several years ago that only killed monkeys.. Reston... I think that variety was Ebola Reston.
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Also, this organization is sending 60 non-essential people back to the US. They are scheduled to arrive by the end of next week. Not sure what procdures are being followed for these 60.
http://www.wistv.com/story/26171115/charlotte-missionary-samaritans-purse-doctor-with-ebola-coming-back-to-us
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Location: North Dakota | komet. - 2014-08-01 1:31 PM What makes me mad is they tried to do it secretly and only an unnamed source got the news out as soon as the special plane left the USA last night. These will be the 1st two known cases in the USA excluding the ones near DC several years ago that only killed monkeys.. Reston... I think that variety was Ebola Reston. Well I guess why wouldn't they want to do it secretly? Look at all the fuss that is being stirred up. Do you not think they anticipated this? I'm sure they were trying to avoid hysteria. I guess I'm not real sure why it is any of my business that another American gets brought back here to be cared for. There are people that know much more about this disease and are more equipped to handle it than myself that are making the decision. I guess if I was ill I would want to be back home being treated without the whole country up in arms over it. Sure there is risk but lets not turn against one of our own.
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Location: Broxton, Ga | I would rather them not come............just saying I think the risk is to great........... |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Just Bring It - 2014-08-01 1:42 PM
komet. - 2014-08-01 1:31 PM What makes me mad is they tried to do it secretly and only an unnamed source got the news out as soon as the special plane left the USA last night. These will be the 1st two known cases in the USA excluding the ones near DC several years ago that only killed monkeys.. Reston... I think that variety was Ebola Reston. Well I guess why wouldn't they want to do it secretly? Look at all the fuss that is being stirred up. Do you not think they anticipated this? I'm sure they were trying to avoid hysteria. I guess I'm not real sure why it is any of my business that another American gets brought back here to be cared for. There are people that know much more about this disease and are more equipped to handle it than myself that are making the decision. I guess if I was ill I would want to be back home being treated without the whole country up in arms over it. Sure there is risk but lets not turn against one of our own.
It's not like it was a secret that these two people had it and where they have been located. As far as treatment goes, the people over there have a lot more experience treating this than anybody in our country and in this outbreak the mortality rate has been lowered from the normal 90% to somewhere in the 60% range. Why move them away from the experts? |
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Location: Florida | The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | This is the least of our problems. Wait until all the diseases that the illegals are bringing in spreads like wildfire. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Nevertooold - 2014-08-01 3:09 PM This is the least of our problems. Wait until all the diseases that the illegals are bringing in spreads like wildfire.
As said before - Bingo! |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM
The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
They know how to handle it in a test tube or under a microscope... and this is like level 4 or level 5 stuff.. But a case of this has never been treated anywhere in this country before. There has never been anybody infected with this here before. As far as the CDC being the gold standard, perhaps the people here have not heard of several lapses they have made in just the last several months.
Investigators found that scientists had transported dangerous biological materials in Ziploc bags and once sent a live sample of bird flu to a low-security lab ill-equipped to handle the virus.
Then there was the anthrax that was sent to CDC headquarters offices without being deactivated by the lab. I have my doubts about this plan to bring this monster here in a living host. |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Just saw an interview with one of the 60 non essentials coming home to the US. The procedure for these 60 according to him is they are asked about symptoms and their temp is taken. This is done by a person fully suited up for protection from the disease. Procedure relies on the honesty of the person. Incubation for this virus is 21 days. Personally, I would feel better if they were held in quarantine for 21 days before flying on commercial planes back to the US. I don't think that is unreasonable. I am truly very sorry for the two people that have this virus. I hope they have a full recovery. I also feel they were fully aware of the risk associated with their decision to go to Africa. What I have not heard is how they contracted this disease. Was it exposure due to improper use of equipment, did they contract it 21 days ago by exposure to someone...?
As for what is being brought in through our Mexican boarders for starters we have TB, chicken pox, lice and scabies. They also do not know how to properly use our restroom facilities which adds to the problem. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | One of the docs that treated Ebola patients over in Africa is already back home in Tennessee under home quarantine. He's got another 10 days before he's clear. |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Fairweather - 2014-08-01 6:33 PM
One of the docs that treated Ebola patients over in Africa is already back home in Tennessee under home quarantine. He's got another 10 days before he's clear.
Good to know. Prayers he did not contract the virus. Perhaps this is what will be done with these 60. Thank you for your post. |
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Location: North Dakota | The Dr's coming back know what to do and how serious it is to prevent this from spreading. It is the people traveling from Africa and those areas that don't care if they have anything while flying here!!!! |
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Location: Midwest | komet. - 2014-08-01 3:05 PM Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
They know how to handle it in a test tube or under a microscope... and this is like level 4 or level 5 stuff.. But a case of this has never been treated anywhere in this country before. There has never been anybody infected with this here before. As far as the CDC being the gold standard, perhaps the people here have not heard of several lapses they have made in just the last several months. Investigators found that scientists had transported dangerous biological materials in Ziploc bags and once sent a live sample of bird flu to a low-security lab ill-equipped to handle the virus. Then there was the anthrax that was sent to CDC headquarters offices without being deactivated by the lab. I have my doubts about this plan to bring this monster here in a living host.
These people are being treated at a hospital, not by the CDC. The hospital is near a cdc lab so that all the information and research is centralized and scientists ca
n work with the doctors.
ALL hospitals train staff extensively in isolation procedures, even for such scenarios as massive outbreaks. I have no doubt this specialized hospital will be able to treat these people without causing an outbreak.
Tb is much more contagious, and our hospitals handle several cases a year without compromising public safety.
Btw these "experts" you speak of have no resources or money in west African hospitals. If you look at cdc reports or who reports on Ebola, they note that the African hospitals actually spread the disease further during past outbreaks due to reusing syringes and needles (because they are poor and lacking in supplies).
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Location: SE Louisiana | barrelracr131 - 2014-08-01 7:07 PM komet. - 2014-08-01 3:05 PM Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
They know how to handle it in a test tube or under a microscope... and this is like level 4 or level 5 stuff.. But a case of this has never been treated anywhere in this country before. There has never been anybody infected with this here before. As far as the CDC being the gold standard, perhaps the people here have not heard of several lapses they have made in just the last several months. Investigators found that scientists had transported dangerous biological materials in Ziploc bags and once sent a live sample of bird flu to a low-security lab ill-equipped to handle the virus. Then there was the anthrax that was sent to CDC headquarters offices without being deactivated by the lab. I have my doubts about this plan to bring this monster here in a living host.
n work with the doctors.
ALL hospitals train staff extensively in isolation procedures, even for such scenarios as massive outbreaks. I have no doubt this specialized hospital will be able to treat these people without causing an outbreak.
Tb is much more contagious, and our hospitals handle several cases a year without compromising public safety.
Btw these "experts" you speak of have no resources or money in west African hospitals. If you look at cdc reports or who reports on Ebola, they note that the African hospitals actually spread the disease further during past outbreaks due to reusing syringes and needles (because they are poor and lacking in supplies).
....and yet they have Still lowered the mortality rate of this outbreak almost 30%. If these people have to come here I'd rather see them go to USAMRIID where at least we could count on military precision when it comes to attention to detail. |
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Just Bring It - 2014-08-01 1:42 PM
komet. - 2014-08-01 1:31 PM What makes me mad is they tried to do it secretly and only an unnamed source got the news out as soon as the special plane left the USA last night. These will be the 1st two known cases in the USA excluding the ones near DC several years ago that only killed monkeys.. Reston... I think that variety was Ebola Reston. Well I guess why wouldn't they want to do it secretly? Look at all the fuss that is being stirred up. Do you not think they anticipated this? I'm sure they were trying to avoid hysteria. I guess I'm not real sure why it is any of my business that another American gets brought back here to be cared for. There are people that know much more about this disease and are more equipped to handle it than myself that are making the decision. I guess if I was ill I would want to be back home being treated without the whole country up in arms over it. Sure there is risk but lets not turn against one of our own.
It's not like it was a secret that these two people had it and where they have been located. As far as treatment goes, the people over there have a lot more experience treating this than anybody in our country and in this outbreak the mortality rate has been lowered from the normal 90% to somewhere in the 60% range. Why move them away from the experts?
Gotta agree with Komet on this one. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | cruise - 2014-08-01 6:04 PM
Fairweather - 2014-08-01 6:33 PM
One of the docs that treated Ebola patients over in Africa is already back home in Tennessee under home quarantine. He's got another 10 days before he's clear.
Good to know. Prayers he did not contract the virus. Perhaps this is what will be done with these 60. Thank you for your post.
They can pull blood and look at it under a microscope and see it before symptoms start to show. |
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| Nevertooold - 2014-08-01 2:09 PM
This is the least of our problems. Wait until all the diseases that the illegals are bringing in spreads like wildfire.
I didn't even think about that. Scary! |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | komet. - 2014-08-01 9:15 PM cruise - 2014-08-01 6:04 PM Fairweather - 2014-08-01 6:33 PM One of the docs that treated Ebola patients over in Africa is already back home in Tennessee under home quarantine. He's got another 10 days before he's clear. Good to know. Prayers he did not contract the virus. Perhaps this is what will be done with these 60. Thank you for your post. They can pull blood and look at it under a microscope and see it before symptoms start to show.
Another good to know fact. If they are doing blood draws on these 60 individuals this young man didn't mention it. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | cruise - 2014-08-02 5:46 AM
komet. - 2014-08-01 9:15 PM cruise - 2014-08-01 6:04 PM Fairweather - 2014-08-01 6:33 PM One of the docs that treated Ebola patients over in Africa is already back home in Tennessee under home quarantine. He's got another 10 days before he's clear. Good to know. Prayers he did not contract the virus. Perhaps this is what will be done with these 60. Thank you for your post. They can pull blood and look at it under a microscope and see it before symptoms start to show.
Of course not!!! They have orders not to speak!! |
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Location: Midwest | komet. - 2014-08-01 7:54 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-01 7:07 PM komet. - 2014-08-01 3:05 PM Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
They know how to handle it in a test tube or under a microscope... and this is like level 4 or level 5 stuff.. But a case of this has never been treated anywhere in this country before. There has never been anybody infected with this here before. As far as the CDC being the gold standard, perhaps the people here have not heard of several lapses they have made in just the last several months. Investigators found that scientists had transported dangerous biological materials in Ziploc bags and once sent a live sample of bird flu to a low-security lab ill-equipped to handle the virus. Then there was the anthrax that was sent to CDC headquarters offices without being deactivated by the lab. I have my doubts about this plan to bring this monster here in a living host.
n work with the doctors.
ALL hospitals train staff extensively in isolation procedures, even for such scenarios as massive outbreaks. I have no doubt this specialized hospital will be able to treat these people without causing an outbreak.
Tb is much more contagious, and our hospitals handle several cases a year without compromising public safety.
Btw these "experts" you speak of have no resources or money in west African hospitals. If you look at cdc reports or who reports on Ebola, they note that the African hospitals actually spread the disease further during past outbreaks due to reusing syringes and needles (because they are poor and lacking in supplies).
....and yet they have Still lowered the mortality rate of this outbreak almost 30%. If these people have to come here I'd rather see them go to USAMRIID where at least we could count on military precision when it comes to attention to detail.
I'd like to see a source on that one.
Btw, the mortality rates vary but outbreak. The data I've seen shows rates from 100% to 20-30% for different outbreaks. This was via a cdc or who organization report (I don't remember which) |
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Location: SE Louisiana | barrelracr131 - 2014-08-02 6:14 AM
komet. - 2014-08-01 7:54 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-01 7:07 PM komet. - 2014-08-01 3:05 PM Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
They know how to handle it in a test tube or under a microscope... and this is like level 4 or level 5 stuff.. But a case of this has never been treated anywhere in this country before. There has never been anybody infected with this here before. As far as the CDC being the gold standard, perhaps the people here have not heard of several lapses they have made in just the last several months. Investigators found that scientists had transported dangerous biological materials in Ziploc bags and once sent a live sample of bird flu to a low-security lab ill-equipped to handle the virus. Then there was the anthrax that was sent to CDC headquarters offices without being deactivated by the lab. I have my doubts about this plan to bring this monster here in a living host.
n work with the doctors.
ALL hospitals train staff extensively in isolation procedures, even for such scenarios as massive outbreaks. I have no doubt this specialized hospital will be able to treat these people without causing an outbreak.
Tb is much more contagious, and our hospitals handle several cases a year without compromising public safety.
Btw these "experts" you speak of have no resources or money in west African hospitals. If you look at cdc reports or who reports on Ebola, they note that the African hospitals actually spread the disease further during past outbreaks due to reusing syringes and needles (because they are poor and lacking in supplies).
....and yet they have Still lowered the mortality rate of this outbreak almost 30%. If these people have to come here I'd rather see them go to USAMRIID where at least we could count on military precision when it comes to attention to detail.
Btw, the mortality rates vary but outbreak. The data I've seen shows rates from 100% to 20-30% for different outbreaks. This was via a cdc or who organization report (I don't remember which)
Sure they vary.. It is a given average. An average is taken from extremes and it depends on the strain... If you want to see a source on those numbers go look at the CDC website you're so proud of... I'm getting tired of hearing this monster "does not spread by casual contact"... Neither does HIV, but look where that is today!!! In case you have not heard... HIV cannot be passed with a simple kiss.... Ebola CAN...
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Location: SE Louisiana | barrelracr131 - 2014-08-02 6:14 AM
komet. - 2014-08-01 7:54 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-01 7:07 PM komet. - 2014-08-01 3:05 PM Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
They know how to handle it in a test tube or under a microscope... and this is like level 4 or level 5 stuff.. But a case of this has never been treated anywhere in this country before. There has never been anybody infected with this here before. As far as the CDC being the gold standard, perhaps the people here have not heard of several lapses they have made in just the last several months. Investigators found that scientists had transported dangerous biological materials in Ziploc bags and once sent a live sample of bird flu to a low-security lab ill-equipped to handle the virus. Then there was the anthrax that was sent to CDC headquarters offices without being deactivated by the lab. I have my doubts about this plan to bring this monster here in a living host.
n work with the doctors.
ALL hospitals train staff extensively in isolation procedures, even for such scenarios as massive outbreaks. I have no doubt this specialized hospital will be able to treat these people without causing an outbreak.
Tb is much more contagious, and our hospitals handle several cases a year without compromising public safety.
Btw these "experts" you speak of have no resources or money in west African hospitals. If you look at cdc reports or who reports on Ebola, they note that the African hospitals actually spread the disease further during past outbreaks due to reusing syringes and needles (because they are poor and lacking in supplies).
....and yet they have Still lowered the mortality rate of this outbreak almost 30%. If these people have to come here I'd rather see them go to USAMRIID where at least we could count on military precision when it comes to attention to detail.
Btw, the mortality rates vary but outbreak. The data I've seen shows rates from 100% to 20-30% for different outbreaks. This was via a cdc or who organization report (I don't remember which)
Look at it like this: An outbreak can be 3 people come down with it in one place at the same time... Two of them live.... That is a 30% mortality rate... It's against the odds.. just like Mine That Bird.. but it happens.... |
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Location: Midwest | komet. - 2014-08-02 2:03 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-02 6:14 AM komet. - 2014-08-01 7:54 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-01 7:07 PM komet. - 2014-08-01 3:05 PM Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
They know how to handle it in a test tube or under a microscope... and this is like level 4 or level 5 stuff.. But a case of this has never been treated anywhere in this country before. There has never been anybody infected with this here before. As far as the CDC being the gold standard, perhaps the people here have not heard of several lapses they have made in just the last several months. Investigators found that scientists had transported dangerous biological materials in Ziploc bags and once sent a live sample of bird flu to a low-security lab ill-equipped to handle the virus. Then there was the anthrax that was sent to CDC headquarters offices without being deactivated by the lab. I have my doubts about this plan to bring this monster here in a living host.
n work with the doctors.
ALL hospitals train staff extensively in isolation procedures, even for such scenarios as massive outbreaks. I have no doubt this specialized hospital will be able to treat these people without causing an outbreak.
Tb is much more contagious, and our hospitals handle several cases a year without compromising public safety.
Btw these "experts" you speak of have no resources or money in west African hospitals. If you look at cdc reports or who reports on Ebola, they note that the African hospitals actually spread the disease further during past outbreaks due to reusing syringes and needles (because they are poor and lacking in supplies).
....and yet they have Still lowered the mortality rate of this outbreak almost 30%. If these people have to come here I'd rather see them go to USAMRIID where at least we could count on military precision when it comes to attention to detail.
Btw, the mortality rates vary but outbreak. The data I've seen shows rates from 100% to 20-30% for different outbreaks. This was via a cdc or who organization report (I don't remember which) Look at it like this: An outbreak can be 3 people come down with it in one place at the same time... Two of them live.... That is a 30% mortality rate... It's against the odds.. just like Mine That Bird.. but it happens....
You have to come in contact with fluids (usually saliva, vomit, poop, etc) to get sick. These patients have been transferred to a level 4 facility (which inculdes airlocks and no direct contact with caregivers, haz-mat suits, and thorough decontamination procedures). The conditions which facilitate outbreaks in other nations simply are not present in the US. (Ie we don't live in huts, bathe in our drinking water, etc).
The rate of mutation in Ebola is pretty low, and if the virus were to mutate to become airbourne, it loses its ability to cause disease (Ebola Reston). I'm not saying mutation is impossible, but at this stage of the game it is pretty unlikely to happen from two people who are present in airlocks at this moment.
Personally, I would have a much greater fear of Influenza, a virus that kills thousands per year... yet folks are pretty blase about it.
Here is a link to mortality rates from the various outbreaks in other nations.
For you to make the claim that organizations in Africa "brought the mortality rate down from 90% to 60%", well, that is simply not correct if you look at the data, which can be found here (I tried to C&P the chart, but no dice):
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/resources/outbreak-table.html
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Location: SE Louisiana | barrelracr131 - 2014-08-02 2:16 PM
komet. - 2014-08-02 2:03 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-02 6:14 AM komet. - 2014-08-01 7:54 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-01 7:07 PM komet. - 2014-08-01 3:05 PM Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
They know how to handle it in a test tube or under a microscope... and this is like level 4 or level 5 stuff.. But a case of this has never been treated anywhere in this country before. There has never been anybody infected with this here before. As far as the CDC being the gold standard, perhaps the people here have not heard of several lapses they have made in just the last several months. Investigators found that scientists had transported dangerous biological materials in Ziploc bags and once sent a live sample of bird flu to a low-security lab ill-equipped to handle the virus. Then there was the anthrax that was sent to CDC headquarters offices without being deactivated by the lab. I have my doubts about this plan to bring this monster here in a living host.
n work with the doctors.
ALL hospitals train staff extensively in isolation procedures, even for such scenarios as massive outbreaks. I have no doubt this specialized hospital will be able to treat these people without causing an outbreak.
Tb is much more contagious, and our hospitals handle several cases a year without compromising public safety.
Btw these "experts" you speak of have no resources or money in west African hospitals. If you look at cdc reports or who reports on Ebola, they note that the African hospitals actually spread the disease further during past outbreaks due to reusing syringes and needles (because they are poor and lacking in supplies).
....and yet they have Still lowered the mortality rate of this outbreak almost 30%. If these people have to come here I'd rather see them go to USAMRIID where at least we could count on military precision when it comes to attention to detail.
Btw, the mortality rates vary but outbreak. The data I've seen shows rates from 100% to 20-30% for different outbreaks. This was via a cdc or who organization report (I don't remember which) Look at it like this: An outbreak can be 3 people come down with it in one place at the same time... Two of them live.... That is a 30% mortality rate... It's against the odds.. just like Mine That Bird.. but it happens....
The rate of mutation in Ebola is pretty low, and if the virus were to mutate to become airbourne, it loses its ability to cause disease (Ebola Reston). I'm not saying mutation is impossible, but at this stage of the game it is pretty unlikely to happen from two people who are present in airlocks at this moment.
Personally, I would have a much greater fear of Influenza, a virus that kills thousands per year... yet folks are pretty blase about it.
Here is a link to mortality rates from the various outbreaks in other nations.
For you to make the claim that organizations in Africa "brought the mortality rate down from 90% to 60%", well, that is simply not correct if you look at the data, which can be found here (I tried to C&P the chart, but no dice):http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/resources/outbreak-table.htmlPersonally, I got 99 problems but worrying about Ebola ain't one
Well... that's a nice chart... BUT I notice it does not contain the strain we are talking about here... Ebola Zaire... This link to the CDC who will freely admit that the numbers are only what they KNOW about and they understand there are a lot more they never hear about... Folks.. Meet what they are bringing to our country, Ebola Zaire!!
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/resources/distribution-map.html
Do you still wanna talk about numbers???
Oh and the Reston strain?? While 3 people finally tested positive, none of them ever got sick... It was fatal only to the monkeys that came here with it.. You should look at it under a microscope... It has a few of the same loops... but is clearly not the same 'Shepherd's Hook' you see in Hemorrhagic Fever.
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Location: Midwest | komet. - 2014-08-02 2:30 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-02 2:16 PM komet. - 2014-08-02 2:03 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-02 6:14 AM komet. - 2014-08-01 7:54 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-01 7:07 PM komet. - 2014-08-01 3:05 PM Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
They know how to handle it in a test tube or under a microscope... and this is like level 4 or level 5 stuff.. But a case of this has never been treated anywhere in this country before. There has never been anybody infected with this here before. As far as the CDC being the gold standard, perhaps the people here have not heard of several lapses they have made in just the last several months. Investigators found that scientists had transported dangerous biological materials in Ziploc bags and once sent a live sample of bird flu to a low-security lab ill-equipped to handle the virus. Then there was the anthrax that was sent to CDC headquarters offices without being deactivated by the lab. I have my doubts about this plan to bring this monster here in a living host.
n work with the doctors.
ALL hospitals train staff extensively in isolation procedures, even for such scenarios as massive outbreaks. I have no doubt this specialized hospital will be able to treat these people without causing an outbreak.
Tb is much more contagious, and our hospitals handle several cases a year without compromising public safety.
Btw these "experts" you speak of have no resources or money in west African hospitals. If you look at cdc reports or who reports on Ebola, they note that the African hospitals actually spread the disease further during past outbreaks due to reusing syringes and needles (because they are poor and lacking in supplies).
....and yet they have Still lowered the mortality rate of this outbreak almost 30%. If these people have to come here I'd rather see them go to USAMRIID where at least we could count on military precision when it comes to attention to detail.
Btw, the mortality rates vary but outbreak. The data I've seen shows rates from 100% to 20-30% for different outbreaks. This was via a cdc or who organization report (I don't remember which) Look at it like this: An outbreak can be 3 people come down with it in one place at the same time... Two of them live.... That is a 30% mortality rate... It's against the odds.. just like Mine That Bird.. but it happens....
The rate of mutation in Ebola is pretty low, and if the virus were to mutate to become airbourne, it loses its ability to cause disease (Ebola Reston). I'm not saying mutation is impossible, but at this stage of the game it is pretty unlikely to happen from two people who are present in airlocks at this moment.
Personally, I would have a much greater fear of Influenza, a virus that kills thousands per year... yet folks are pretty blase about it.
Here is a link to mortality rates from the various outbreaks in other nations.
For you to make the claim that organizations in Africa "brought the mortality rate down from 90% to 60%", well, that is simply not correct if you look at the data, which can be found here (I tried to C&P the chart, but no dice):
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/resources/outbreak-table.html
Personally, I got 99 problems but worrying about Ebola ain't one Well... that's a nice chart... BUT I notice it does not contain the strain we are talking about here... Ebola Zaire... This link to the CDC who will freely admit that the numbers are only what they KNOW about and they understand there are a lot more they never hear about... Folks.. Meet what they are bringing to our country, Ebola Zaire!! http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/resources/distribution-map.html Do you still wanna talk about numbers??? Oh and the Reston strain?? While 3 people finally tested positive, none of them ever got sick... It was fatal only to the monkeys that came here with it.. You should look at it under a microscope... It has a few of the same loops... but is clearly not the same 'Shepherd's Hook' you see in Hemorrhagic Fever.
Yes, the chart I posted includes the current strain as well as others. The current outbreak is at the bottom. (Where they admit the numbers are unknown).
Ebola Reston was referenced as a non pathogenic mutated strain, not what they are dealing with now.
In terms of diagnosis, microscopic examination is not really used. Elisa testing and pcr are the usual methods.
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Location: SE Louisiana | barrelracr131 - 2014-08-02 2:55 PM
komet. - 2014-08-02 2:30 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-02 2:16 PM komet. - 2014-08-02 2:03 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-02 6:14 AM komet. - 2014-08-01 7:54 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-01 7:07 PM komet. - 2014-08-01 3:05 PM Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
They know how to handle it in a test tube or under a microscope... and this is like level 4 or level 5 stuff.. But a case of this has never been treated anywhere in this country before. There has never been anybody infected with this here before. As far as the CDC being the gold standard, perhaps the people here have not heard of several lapses they have made in just the last several months. Investigators found that scientists had transported dangerous biological materials in Ziploc bags and once sent a live sample of bird flu to a low-security lab ill-equipped to handle the virus. Then there was the anthrax that was sent to CDC headquarters offices without being deactivated by the lab. I have my doubts about this plan to bring this monster here in a living host.
n work with the doctors.
ALL hospitals train staff extensively in isolation procedures, even for such scenarios as massive outbreaks. I have no doubt this specialized hospital will be able to treat these people without causing an outbreak.
Tb is much more contagious, and our hospitals handle several cases a year without compromising public safety.
Btw these "experts" you speak of have no resources or money in west African hospitals. If you look at cdc reports or who reports on Ebola, they note that the African hospitals actually spread the disease further during past outbreaks due to reusing syringes and needles (because they are poor and lacking in supplies).
....and yet they have Still lowered the mortality rate of this outbreak almost 30%. If these people have to come here I'd rather see them go to USAMRIID where at least we could count on military precision when it comes to attention to detail.
Btw, the mortality rates vary but outbreak. The data I've seen shows rates from 100% to 20-30% for different outbreaks. This was via a cdc or who organization report (I don't remember which) Look at it like this: An outbreak can be 3 people come down with it in one place at the same time... Two of them live.... That is a 30% mortality rate... It's against the odds.. just like Mine That Bird.. but it happens....
The rate of mutation in Ebola is pretty low, and if the virus were to mutate to become airbourne, it loses its ability to cause disease (Ebola Reston). I'm not saying mutation is impossible, but at this stage of the game it is pretty unlikely to happen from two people who are present in airlocks at this moment.
Personally, I would have a much greater fear of Influenza, a virus that kills thousands per year... yet folks are pretty blase about it.
Here is a link to mortality rates from the various outbreaks in other nations.
For you to make the claim that organizations in Africa "brought the mortality rate down from 90% to 60%", well, that is simply not correct if you look at the data, which can be found here (I tried to C&P the chart, but no dice):
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/resources/outbreak-table.html
Personally, I got 99 problems but worrying about Ebola ain't one Well... that's a nice chart... BUT I notice it does not contain the strain we are talking about here... Ebola Zaire... This link to the CDC who will freely admit that the numbers are only what they KNOW about and they understand there are a lot more they never hear about... Folks.. Meet what they are bringing to our country, Ebola Zaire!! http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/resources/distribution-map.html Do you still wanna talk about numbers??? Oh and the Reston strain?? While 3 people finally tested positive, none of them ever got sick... It was fatal only to the monkeys that came here with it.. You should look at it under a microscope... It has a few of the same loops... but is clearly not the same 'Shepherd's Hook' you see in Hemorrhagic Fever.
Ebola Reston was referenced as a non pathogenic mutated strain, not what they are dealing with now.
In terms of diagnosis, microscopic examination is not really used. Elisa testing and pcr are the usual methods.
Anywho, I'm off to the rest of my weekend adventures. Happy Saturday!
Yes.. I am aware of the quick tests for ebola... but they still do a MS check for the strain.. Have a good weekend!!  |
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Location: WYOMING | Im not an Ebola expert... I just play one on TV... no I dont even play one on TV but I did read the book Hot Zone so that kinda makes me an expert.
These are wonderful giving people who care enough about others to go into a hot zone and try to help even knowing the risks. We need more people like them in this world.. so I welcome them home and hope they get the best chance they can have.
IMO your chances of getting killed by a non caring, non giving, non wonderful, non ebola having person or even dying from cancer is much greater than catching Ebola spread from these people.
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Location: Georgia | geronabean - 2014-08-02 4:16 PM Im not an Ebola expert... I just play one on TV... no I dont even play one on TV but I did read the book Hot Zone so that kinda makes me an expert.
These are wonderful giving people who care enough about others to go into a hot zone and try to help even knowing the risks. We need more people like them in this world.. so I welcome them home and hope they get the best chance they can have.
IMO your chances of getting killed by a non caring, non giving, non wonderful, non ebola having person or even dying from cancer is much greater than catching Ebola spread from these people.
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Location: Northeast Nebraska | Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
Sure, the cdc is always right on top of things. We can trust them with this too, right? Those people chose to go over there and play in the slime, let them live or die there. There is NO treatment, there is NO reason to deliberately bring this plague here. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/cdc-lost-anthrax-ziplo...
http://www.listenedition.com/2014/07/23/cdc-loses-track-of-contagious-viruses-increases-focus-on-lab-safety/
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Location: SE Louisiana | GoGaited - 2014-08-02 3:26 PM
Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
Sure, the cdc is always right on top of things. We can trust them with this too, right? Those people chose to go over there and play in the slime, let them live or die there. There is NO treatment, there is NO reason to deliberately bring this plague here. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/cdc-lost-anthrax-ziplo...http://www.listenedition.com/2014/07/23/cdc-loses-track-of-contagious-viruses-increases-focus-on-lab-safety/ Walking Dead is becoming a documentary.
That's a little harsh.... This IS a Virus.... and the number of viruses we can cure totals up to ZERO... |
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Location: PNW | geronabean - 2014-08-02 3:16 PM
Im not an Ebola expert... I just play one on TV... no I dont even play one on TV but I did read the book Hot Zone so that kinda makes me an expert.
These are wonderful giving people who care enough about others to go into a hot zone and try to help even knowing the risks. We need more people like them in this world.. so I welcome them home and hope they get the best chance they can have.
IMO your chances of getting killed by a non caring, non giving, non wonderful, non ebola having person or even dying from cancer is much greater than catching Ebola spread from these people.
Totally AGREE!!! Everyone just needs to take a deep breath and calm down.
PS: it is totally safe to take that recommended deep breath, since ya know, Ebola isn't airborne. 
I'll get worried about it when my aunt does - who is an actual viral pathologist with a Ph.D. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | geronabean - 2014-08-02 3:16 PM
Im not an Ebola expert... I just play one on TV... no I dont even play one on TV but I did read the book Hot Zone so that kinda makes me an expert.
These are wonderful giving people who care enough about others to go into a hot zone and try to help even knowing the risks. We need more people like them in this world.. so I welcome them home and hope they get the best chance they can have.
IMO your chances of getting killed by a non caring, non giving, non wonderful, non ebola having person or even dying from cancer is much greater than catching Ebola spread from these people.
I read Hot Zone... and Outbreak by Robin Cook and Executive Orders by Tom Clancy.. and The Stand by Stephen King. then I went looking to separate fact from fiction... I don't claim to be an expert but I have a basic understanding.. |
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Location: Midwest | This is a pretty informative article from a decent website. Feel free to check it out. Figured I would throw it up here since I had a minute.
http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/ten-things-you-really-should-know-about-ebola |
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| GoGaited - 2014-08-02 3:26 PM
Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
Sure, the cdc is always right on top of things. We can trust them with this too, right? Those people chose to go over there and play in the slime, let them live or die there. There is NO treatment, there is NO reason to deliberately bring this plague here. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/cdc-lost-anthrax-ziplo...http://www.listenedition.com/2014/07/23/cdc-loses-track-of-contagious-viruses-increases-focus-on-lab-safety/ Walking Dead is becoming a documentary.
Then I have to ask since this was their choice
For all the non immunizers who contract measles, mumps, chicken pox, pertussis, should health care be refused and these infected children die because it was their families choice no to immunize.
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| geronabean - 2014-08-02 3:16 PM Im not an Ebola expert... I just play one on TV... no I dont even play one on TV but I did read the book Hot Zone so that kinda makes me an expert.
These are wonderful giving people who care enough about others to go into a hot zone and try to help even knowing the risks. We need more people like them in this world.. so I welcome them home and hope they get the best chance they can have.
IMO your chances of getting killed by a non caring, non giving, non wonderful, non ebola having person or even dying from cancer is much greater than catching Ebola spread from these people.
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Location: SE Louisiana | cheryl makofka - 2014-08-02 8:08 PM
GoGaited - 2014-08-02 3:26 PM
Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
Sure, the cdc is always right on top of things. We can trust them with this too, right? Those people chose to go over there and play in the slime, let them live or die there. There is NO treatment, there is NO reason to deliberately bring this plague here. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/cdc-lost-anthrax-ziplo...http://www.listenedition.com/2014/07/23/cdc-loses-track-of-contagious-viruses-increases-focus-on-lab-safety/ Walking Dead is becoming a documentary.
Then I have to ask since this was their choice
For all the non immunizers who contract measles, mumps, chicken pox, pertussis, should health care be refused and these infected children die because it was their families choice no to immunize.
Same thing
Not that I agree with what she said.. but there are a number of differences here. For one thing it is not the child that chooses. For another, we already Have all that stuff here while we didn't have ebola here till today except in laboratory specimens and animals they have infected so they could study it.
Currant numbers..
The World Health Organization reports that the outbreak in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea is believed to have infected 1,323 people and killed more than 729 this year, as of July 27.
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