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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | If I am not allowed to post this due to it's sensitive nature, please delete it but I can't even tell you how upset I am about this whole case. I don't live in Steubenville, OH (thank God) but I do work there and that town believes football begins and ends with Big Red and it's coach Reno. It has been KNOWN for years how corrupt the whole school system is and what lengths will be gone to in order to protect their worshiped football. I don't want to post on here openly what two ball players did to a WVa girl (just encase little eyes are reading anything) but it was horrible and made national news after the group "Anonymous" broke the case open. After only nine months, Richmond was released and now this:
http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/08/convicted_steube...
I know where I stand on this but I would really like to hear the opinions of people no familiar with this area or history. Does he deserve a "second" chance on the football field? I will say I totally support a true reform system for this young man but putting him back out on the football field and allowing him to attend a public school?
Let me add the other convicted teen, Mayas, lives in a neighboring town but was recruited by Big Red to play with for them. As soon as they were told they had to pay for his continuing education (he is still in prison), they threw him back to his original school district and said he was their responsibility not theirs.
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| Absolutely not. This makes me sad for society today. He should not be able to be within miles of a school. He should have to register everywhere he moves. Ect.
"Hey a$$hole, welcome to life as a sex offender. You earned it."
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | After rereading my post and then the article attached, I guess it could possibly be taken that I support the decision to let him back on the ball field. Which I don't in any way, shape or form but it is such a heated subject around here that I would like to hear from people who are not from this area. If you are anti- Big Red around here then you are clearly just judgmental and hateful, that really is the thinking of way to many. | |
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| Oh I did not get that at all. I am just one of those "feel strongly about moral issues" people and to me, this is a definite moral issue. | |
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| It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation.
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 5:46 PM
It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation.
Professional sports still have convicted criminals in contracts, no one questions this, so why a double standard?
I agree about policies. The coach isnt in the wrong if he there's no policy againist it. he could be sued and the school if he didnt allow him to.
However, most school have some form of policy for sports. I would be interested to know what theirs is. I had to maintain a certain GPA to play and if we were caught drinking/drugs/etc we were benched for x amount of him. This guy sounds like he may not be the most upstanding student so if they cant get him on the sex offender status alone, then I wonder if hes meeting the other criteria.
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | RoaniePonie11 - 2014-08-17 5:41 PM
Oh I did not get that at all. I am just one of those "feel strongly about moral issues" people and to me, this is a definite moral issue.
Totally agree with you, it comes down to a moral issue for me too.
Your post had nothing to do with why I posted my second comments, I just thought after rereading it, it may have been confusing to some but I tend to overthink things sometimes.  | |
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 5:46 PM It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation. Professional sports still have convicted criminals in contracts, no one questions this, so why a double standard? Yes, you are technically right but it is a sad statement when a student can be suspended for academics but not rape. Most sports clubs have moral and academic standards that must be met. The lack of morals or interpretation of it, is very disturbing but in relation to high school football, I don't think looking the other way for the sake of the team is anything new, that has been going on for generations. I don't think it is a double standard to enforce morals and ethics in high school. Maybe if it were done then they wouldn't end up as criminals as adults. Lessons have to be taught regardless of the bad examples set by professional athletes, , lets not let their behavior dictact our standards.
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Location: In a happy place | rodeomom3 - 2014-08-17 6:21 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 5:46 PM It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation. Professional sports still have convicted criminals in contracts, no one questions this, so why a double standard? Yes, you are technically right but it is a sad statement when a student can be suspended for academics but not rape. Most sports clubs have moral and academic standards that must be met. The lack of morals or interpretation of it, is very disturbing but in relation to high school football, I don't think looking the other way for the sake of the team is anything new, that has been going on for generations. I don't think it is a double standard to enforce morals and ethics in high school. Maybe if it were done then they wouldn't end up as criminals as adults. Lessons have to be taught regardless of the bad examples set by professional athletes, , lets not let their behavior dictact our standards.
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | stayceem - 2014-08-17 6:14 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 5:46 PM
It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation.
Professional sports still have convicted criminals in contracts, no one questions this, so why a double standard?
I agree about policies. The coach isnt in the wrong if he there's no policy againist it. he could be sued and the school if he didnt allow him to.
However, most school have some form of policy for sports. I would be interested to know what theirs is. I had to maintain a certain GPA to play and if we were caught drinking/drugs/etc we were benched for x amount of him. This guy sounds like he may not be the most upstanding student so if they cant get him on the sex offender status alone, then I wonder if hes meeting the other criteria.
Personally, I think playing sports is a privledge and this kid has now become a liability. Not only due to his behavior but what other student may do to him on the field.
This whole thing is a HOT mess. If you are ever have free time google "Steubenville Rape Case." This second part all comes down to the bones of the OVAC (governing athletic conference) does not come right out and say felons can not play but they talk about moral conduct... The OVAC has basically turned it back to it and left it to the school district's decision. The same school district who's superintendent is going to court tomorrow for obstructing justice, tampering with evidence and other felonies (all directly related to this case). It is also very questionable how much the coach was involved, knew and tried to help cover-up, although no criminal charges have been brought against him.
Technically, no laws have been broken by allowing him back into the school or on the team but I guess, for me I don't understand why there is not and how a convict sex offender can still attend a public school. Especially in this day and age when there are so many other school options. | |
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cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 5:46 PM It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation. Professional sports still have convicted criminals in contracts, no one questions this, so why a double standard? Yes, you are technically right but it is a sad statement when a student can be suspended for academics but not rape. Most sports clubs have moral and academic standards that must be met. The lack of morals or interpretation of it, is very disturbing but in relation to high school football, I don't think looking the other way for the sake of the team is anything new, that has been going on for generations. I don't think it is a double standard to enforce morals and ethics in high school. Maybe if it were done then they wouldn't end up as criminals as adults. Lessons have to be taught regardless of the bad examples set by professional athletes, , lets not let their behavior dictact our standards.
But wasn't the lesson learned by the individual serving his sentence? Why should he be penalized after serving his sentence and being rehabilitated?
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | Here is another issue I have with all of this. This school district has been known for years to try and "pick" players from other school districts. The other young man involved, T Mays, lives in the neighboring town over however, he attended Steubenville HS so he could play football for them and "yes" I have been told Steubenville approached him to play there. From everything I have heard, he was an OK player but not one of their best. Richmond I have heard is a very good player and they have had high hopes for him for years. Mays is still in prison but when the courts said Steubenville would still be financially responsible for his education, they dropped him like a hot cake and said he was Indian Creeks responsibility because he lived there (of course they won in court).
Now Richmond "deserves a second chance" but they sure were not worried about Mays education. 
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cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 5:46 PM It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation. Professional sports still have convicted criminals in contracts, no one questions this, so why a double standard? Yes, you are technically right but it is a sad statement when a student can be suspended for academics but not rape. Most sports clubs have moral and academic standards that must be met. The lack of morals or interpretation of it, is very disturbing but in relation to high school football, I don't think looking the other way for the sake of the team is anything new, that has been going on for generations. I don't think it is a double standard to enforce morals and ethics in high school. Maybe if it were done then they wouldn't end up as criminals as adults. Lessons have to be taught regardless of the bad examples set by professional athletes, , lets not let their behavior dictate our standards.
But wasn't the lesson learned by the individual serving his sentence? Why should he be penalized after serving his sentence and being rehabilitated?
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 6:50 PM
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cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 5:46 PM It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation. Professional sports still have convicted criminals in contracts, no one questions this, so why a double standard? Yes, you are technically right but it is a sad statement when a student can be suspended for academics but not rape. Most sports clubs have moral and academic standards that must be met. The lack of morals or interpretation of it, is very disturbing but in relation to high school football, I don't think looking the other way for the sake of the team is anything new, that has been going on for generations. I don't think it is a double standard to enforce morals and ethics in high school. Maybe if it were done then they wouldn't end up as criminals as adults. Lessons have to be taught regardless of the bad examples set by professional athletes, , lets not let their behavior dictact our standards.
But wasn't the lesson learned by the individual serving his sentence? Why should he be penalized after serving his sentence and being rehabilitated?
OK lets say he was "rehabilitated" in the 9 short months that he served. The article mentioned above directly talks about texts between Mays and Richmond referring to their coach "taking care of things" (not the actual words but along those lines) So basically their mentality was "we are ok because the football team will protect us." This came out several times during the court case also. So do you think it is right to put this young man right back into the SAME environment that he already had an entitlement complex with? What is he really learning or taking good from that? If we want to truly reform this young man why put him right back with the same people that did try to cover up the crime? There are several good ways to earn an education these days and they don't have to involve public school and football. | |
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cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 5:46 PM It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation. Professional sports still have convicted criminals in contracts, no one questions this, so why a double standard? Yes, you are technically right but it is a sad statement when a student can be suspended for academics but not rape. Most sports clubs have moral and academic standards that must be met. The lack of morals or interpretation of it, is very disturbing but in relation to high school football, I don't think looking the other way for the sake of the team is anything new, that has been going on for generations. I don't think it is a double standard to enforce morals and ethics in high school. Maybe if it were done then they wouldn't end up as criminals as adults. Lessons have to be taught regardless of the bad examples set by professional athletes, , lets not let their behavior dictate our standards.
But wasn't the lesson learned by the individual serving his sentence? Why should he be penalized after serving his sentence and being rehabilitated?
Are you willing to extend this olive branch out to all sex offenders? Or just a few pretty ones?
This is our society, they get convicted got to jail, become rehabilitated get out early for good behaviour, and we hope they don't reoffend.
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| Rolling J - 2014-08-17 6:31 PM
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cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 5:46 PM
It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation.
Professional sports still have convicted criminals in contracts, no one questions this, so why a double standard?
I agree about policies. The coach isnt in the wrong if he there's no policy againist it. he could be sued and the school if he didnt allow him to.
However, most school have some form of policy for sports. I would be interested to know what theirs is. I had to maintain a certain GPA to play and if we were caught drinking/drugs/etc we were benched for x amount of him. This guy sounds like he may not be the most upstanding student so if they cant get him on the sex offender status alone, then I wonder if hes meeting the other criteria.
Personally, I think playing sports is a privledge and this kid has now become a liability. Not only due to his behavior but what other student may do to him on the field.
This whole thing is a HOT mess. If you are ever have free time google "Steubenville Rape Case." This second part all comes down to the bones of the OVAC (governing athletic conference ) does not come right out and say felons can not play but they talk about moral conduct... The OVAC has basically turned it back to it and left it to the school district's decision. The same school district who's superintendent is going to court tomorrow for obstructing justice, tampering with evidence and other felonies (all directly related to this case ). It is also very questionable how much the coach was involved, knew and tried to help cover-up, although no criminal charges have been brought against him.
Technically, no laws have been broken by allowing him back into the school or on the team but I guess, for me I don't understand why there is not and how a convict sex offender can still attend a public school. Especially in this day and age when there are so many other school options.
I am not arguing with you. However, the school district should have guidelines for all sports. It states on the OVAC website that a students eligibility is determined by the school district. Thats how it was when I played sports also. Regardless of the superintendents legal issues referencing this case, there should still be by-laws/rules/regulations put in place in that school district to determine this person's eligibility. If he is meeting those requirements, they could be sued for denying him because this isnt in their rules. (maybe some schools will add this now, many districts dont expect this to happen so its never addressed, many things fall through the cracks this way).
Now if hes not meeting those requirements and they're allowing him to play, then its a different issue. I agree I think there needs to be legal standpoint listed in their rules/regs/by-laws for sports. Some schools have it, some dont. This would be a good opportunity for that district to add/adjust if they havent already done so. that way this cant happen again. | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 7:21 PM
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cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 5:46 PM It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation. Professional sports still have convicted criminals in contracts, no one questions this, so why a double standard? Yes, you are technically right but it is a sad statement when a student can be suspended for academics but not rape. Most sports clubs have moral and academic standards that must be met. The lack of morals or interpretation of it, is very disturbing but in relation to high school football, I don't think looking the other way for the sake of the team is anything new, that has been going on for generations. I don't think it is a double standard to enforce morals and ethics in high school. Maybe if it were done then they wouldn't end up as criminals as adults. Lessons have to be taught regardless of the bad examples set by professional athletes, , lets not let their behavior dictate our standards.
But wasn't the lesson learned by the individual serving his sentence? Why should he be penalized after serving his sentence and being rehabilitated?
Are you willing to extend this olive branch out to all sex offenders? Or just a few pretty ones?
This is our society, they get convicted got to jail, become rehabilitated get out early for good behaviour, and we hope they don't reoffend.
It doesn't sound like any conditions were placed on his release.
Well.. he does have to register as a sex offender for the next 20 years... I'm not sure justice was reached in this case. The other one convicted only said he was sorry pictures were taken and sent around. But this ain't over yet..
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 7:21 PM
komet. - 2014-08-17 7:05 PM
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rodeomom3 - 2014-08-17 6:21 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 5:46 PM It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation. Professional sports still have convicted criminals in contracts, no one questions this, so why a double standard? Yes, you are technically right but it is a sad statement when a student can be suspended for academics but not rape. Most sports clubs have moral and academic standards that must be met. The lack of morals or interpretation of it, is very disturbing but in relation to high school football, I don't think looking the other way for the sake of the team is anything new, that has been going on for generations. I don't think it is a double standard to enforce morals and ethics in high school. Maybe if it were done then they wouldn't end up as criminals as adults. Lessons have to be taught regardless of the bad examples set by professional athletes, , lets not let their behavior dictate our standards.
But wasn't the lesson learned by the individual serving his sentence? Why should he be penalized after serving his sentence and being rehabilitated?
Are you willing to extend this olive branch out to all sex offenders? Or just a few pretty ones?
This is our society, they get convicted got to jail, become rehabilitated get out early for good behaviour, and we hope they don't reoffend.
It doesn't sound like any conditions were placed on his release.
He is a CONVICTED "Tier 2" sex offender and has to check in every 6 months. I also believe he is 18 (adult age), so how can it be justified him attending PUBLIC school and being allowed in play football? The school district does have to by law to provide his education but no where is it written into law that he should be given the privilege to play ball.
Technically, there was not any court order restrictions about if he can attend public school, sports... those decisions were left in the hands of already corrupt school district. | |
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| Rolling J - 2014-08-17 7:49 PM
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cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 5:46 PM It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation. Professional sports still have convicted criminals in contracts, no one questions this, so why a double standard? Yes, you are technically right but it is a sad statement when a student can be suspended for academics but not rape. Most sports clubs have moral and academic standards that must be met. The lack of morals or interpretation of it, is very disturbing but in relation to high school football, I don't think looking the other way for the sake of the team is anything new, that has been going on for generations. I don't think it is a double standard to enforce morals and ethics in high school. Maybe if it were done then they wouldn't end up as criminals as adults. Lessons have to be taught regardless of the bad examples set by professional athletes, , lets not let their behavior dictate our standards.
But wasn't the lesson learned by the individual serving his sentence? Why should he be penalized after serving his sentence and being rehabilitated?
Are you willing to extend this olive branch out to all sex offenders? Or just a few pretty ones?
This is our society, they get convicted got to jail, become rehabilitated get out early for good behaviour, and we hope they don't reoffend.
It doesn't sound like any conditions were placed on his release.
He is a CONVICTED "Tier 2" sex offender and has to check in every 6 months. I also believe he is 18 (adult age ), so how can it be justified him attending PUBLIC school and being allowed in play football? The school district does have to by law to provide his education but no where is it written into law that he should be given the privilege to play ball.
Technically, there was not any court order restrictions about if he can attend public school, sports... those decisions were left in the hands of already corrupt school district.
As I've said I dont agree with it but unless their rules/regs for sports states otherwise and he meets those rules/regs he can play until otherwise stated or the school would face legal battles. Its just like cyber bullying wasnt a law... people had to fight to get those laws implimented because it just never was an issue before.
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 6:50 PM rodeomom3 - 2014-08-17 6:21 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 5:46 PM It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation. Professional sports still have convicted criminals in contracts, no one questions this, so why a double standard? Yes, you are technically right but it is a sad statement when a student can be suspended for academics but not rape. Most sports clubs have moral and academic standards that must be met. The lack of morals or interpretation of it, is very disturbing but in relation to high school football, I don't think looking the other way for the sake of the team is anything new, that has been going on for generations. I don't think it is a double standard to enforce morals and ethics in high school. Maybe if it were done then they wouldn't end up as criminals as adults. Lessons have to be taught regardless of the bad examples set by professional athletes, , lets not let their behavior dictact our standards. But wasn't the lesson learned by the individual serving his sentence? Why should he be penalized after serving his sentence and being rehabilitated?
You lose a lot of different privileges or rights when you are convicted of a felony, depending on the state it's in.
For instance, you lose your right to own a firearm.
If you are a public official you are removed from office and prohibited from holding public office again for a period of time.
You can having driving privileges revoked for a period of time.
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Location: Dubach, LA | Glad to know that this isn't confined to Louisiana. Football and coaches set the climate and run the schools. The good players have no rules. The bench warmers have very few. If it happens on the court or the diamond, there may be consequences. If it happens on the field, you're good. | |
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Location: Sperry, OK | Nevertooold - 2014-08-17 8:59 PM Once again the criminals rights trumps common sense.
And also trumps the rights of the victim. I personally think, once you have violated someone's rights (in such a heinous manor as this or murder, ect.) you shouldn't have any rights. His personal interests (playing football, allowing him on the team for fear of a law suit from him) should be null and void. He should be made to either be home schooled or enrolled in the districst school for misfits! Any other teir II sex offender isn't allowed within so many feet of schools, churches, parks, ect., even if they have been rehabilitated, but this kid is right in the smack dab middle of one. How is that even allowed?
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | CanCan - 2014-08-18 7:47 AM
Glad to know that this isn't confined to Louisiana. Football and coaches set the climate and run the schools. The good players have no rules. The bench warmers have very few. If it happens on the court or the diamond, there may be consequences. If it happens on the field, you're good.
It is horrible the football mentality in Steubenville. There has been other questionable actions in the past by players and the coach and everything keeps getting sweep under the rug. I am not kidding that a lot of people from Steubenville think if you are NOT a Big Red fan then you are a "hater" and "judgmental" and don't dare say anything about their mighty coach, Reno. I wish more of them would worship God as they do that man. Both the boys involved believed they would be safe because Reno knew and "would take care of this s***" (this has been reported in several respectable new sources). | |
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Location: OH | I am from just North of Steubenville and everything Rolling is saying is completely on point. Reno, the head football coach RUNS THAT TOWN. It is completely out of control and has been for some time, everyone and everything is tied to the football program. They pack the stadium with 10,000 people every Friday, they rarely have an away game and there is SO much tied to that program financially that they will do almost anything to keep it going. They recruit---BIG TIME and bring kids in from out of town and set them up with apartments under there parents names, like it is their residence, then the kids will stay there--UNSUPERVISED and have big parties. We played them one year in the playoffs, and the Sheriff lierally brought the star running back to the game in a police cruiser, unloaded him, let him play the game and then took him back to jail. He had robbed a place earlier in the week, but heaven forbid---we cannot let Big Red lose. Disgraceful. | |
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| I read a few articles on the rape, it said the individual served his sentence in juvenile detention centre, so was he under the age of 18 when the criminal activity occurred?
If he was under age, it does change things.
Also since the victim was intoxicated, were the accused individuals also intoxicated?
I never found any information on the race or ethnic origin of the female involved, in a perfect world it shouldn't matter, but one does wonder.
Too many details left out, as it sounds like tier 2 sex offender is a serious offence, how many juveniles are convicted of the same offence in the state, and how many complete the same crime and are not charged to the extent of this individual?
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | cheryl makofka - 2014-08-19 10:37 AM
I read a few articles on the rape, it said the individual served his sentence in juvenile detention centre, so was he under the age of 18 when the criminal activity occurred?
If he was under age, it does change things.
Also since the victim was intoxicated, were the accused individuals also intoxicated?
I never found any information on the race or ethnic origin of the female involved, in a perfect world it shouldn't matter, but one does wonder.
Too many details left out, as it sounds like tier 2 sex offender is a serious offence, how many juveniles are convicted of the same offence in the state, and how many complete the same crime and are not charged to the extent of this individual?
Richmond (African American) was 16 at the time of the rape. Mays (Caucasian) was 17 and Jane Doe (Caucasian) was also 16.
***Interesting fact Jane Doe was the ex-girlfriend of Cody Saltwalter who was a friend of Richmond and Mays. Cody posted an UTube video that would make you want to vomit about the what occurred that night. It was very much questioned how much this friendship had to do with what occurred.
Yes, there was a lot of partying that night and by all reports Jane Doe was intoxicated but I do not know how much Richmond and Mays drank but to the best of my knowledge that never really was a factor in the court case.
Tier II Sex Offender: An adult or juvenile classified as a Tier II sex offender has been convicted of [adult] or found delinquent by reason of [juvenile] one or more sexually oriented offense[s]. Tier II sex offenders must register, every six months for twenty-five years with the Sheriff of the County in which the offender lives, works and attends school. Also, whenever the registered sex offender changes residence.
I don't have evidence or facts to answer your questions how many complete the same crime and are not charged.
Edited to add: Mays got a longer sentence than Richmond. In my opinion though 1 year (got out in 9 months) and 2 years were nothing more than a slap on the wrist.
Edited by Rolling J 2014-08-19 6:29 PM
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OK let's get some non-bias opinions on this heated topic (mature topic)...