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Location: Texas | I have just started following this story and am so saddened for our country. I have heard as much as has been released about the autopsy and most of the other info that has been released and will wait for further details before I form an opinion. If the officer was at fault he should be tried In a court of law and held accountable if the facts support that. If he did not wrong he should be left a lone. I am all for peoples right to speak their mind And have organized peaceful protests, but this is crazy. All day long the protestors are peaceful But at night all heck breaks loose. The officer is said to be in hiding, yesterday they were people calling for his death which is crazy Looting and violence , throwing rocks at reporters don't people realize that those actions are not helping their cause. I am just saddened at the state of our country! |
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Location: SE Louisiana | As most people here know, normally I doubt the cops... But not this time. I saw the full video from the store and it speaks much about Brown's attitude at the time. That attitude was "I'm bigger than you, (6'4" 300 pounds) and I'll do what I want to." This was further proven when he refused to get out of the middle of the street at the officers direction. Despite what the family lawyers are saying today, the results from the autopsy show all 6 gunshot wounds were from the front, which proves Mr Johnson lied about him being shot in the back. Mr Johnson is also the one that stated Brown had his hands up in surrender when the cop opened fire and that Brown never hit the cop. What we don't know yet... how many times did the cop shoot? The rest of the story about the shot fired when the cop was still in the car (which everyone agrees happened) and we still have not seen pics of the cop's face after the altercation. One other thing...
I PROMISE you!! Someone has a video of the altercation... There were too many people Tweeting while it was going on for nobody to have filmed it via cell phone. Who has the video now or if it will ever come to light, we'll just have to wait to see. I support the police officer in this one.
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Location: Harrisonville, Missouri | I live on the other side of the state and have been following this. I don't understand why this has been allowed to continue this long. Their schools are closed, businesses are closed, looted, etc. Members of their community are not able to make a living, their children aren't being educated and they will forever be remembered for this. I don't see that they are going to change anything. All the looting, shooting, robbing and violence does nothing to further their cause. I would think it would be embarrassing. Wouldn't you want to have all the facts before doing all this? As much as they have a right to protest, this officer is innocent until proven guilty. |
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Location: Texas | I have been watch Fox News on the live coverage. I hate to say this but I believe many more people are going to get hurt and even possibly killed before this is over. Personally I just don't get the riot mentality. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | engravedinvitation - 2014-08-18 10:41 PM
I live on the other side of the state and have been following this. I don't understand why this has been allowed to continue this long. Their schools are closed, businesses are closed, looted, etc. Members of their community are not able to make a living, their children aren't being educated and they will forever be remembered for this. I don't see that they are going to change anything. All the looting, shooting, robbing and violence does nothing to further their cause. I would think it would be embarrassing. Wouldn't you want to have all the facts before doing all this? As much as they have a right to protest, this officer is innocent until proven guilty.
The reports I've seen say most of the people arrested after curfew hours are people from other areas... Showing up to stir the pot.
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Location: Harrisonville, Missouri | komet. - 2014-08-18 10:52 PM
engravedinvitation - 2014-08-18 10:41 PM
I live on the other side of the state and have been following this. I don't understand why this has been allowed to continue this long. Their schools are closed, businesses are closed, looted, etc. Members of their community are not able to make a living, their children aren't being educated and they will forever be remembered for this. I don't see that they are going to change anything. All the looting, shooting, robbing and violence does nothing to further their cause. I would think it would be embarrassing. Wouldn't you want to have all the facts before doing all this? As much as they have a right to protest, this officer is innocent until proven guilty.
The reports I've seen say most of the people arrested after curfew hours are people from other areas... Showing up to stir the pot.
Also, I'm waiting for the 'Tox' report on Brown... but those normally take a while.
Me too, on the Tox screen. I've been watching on CNN. Yes, I keep hearing the word "Plant" when they start talking about those who are causing problems. |
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Location: Kansas | I found it amazing that many were / are now complaining about tear gas and the "families peacefully protesting". If you are going to be protesting in any way WHY in the world would you bring your children?? There has already been gun fire and yet you bring kids....stay home, leave the streets to the unlawful and let it get brought under control. Oh and quit trashing your own neighborhood and businesses. However, I believe those doing the damage are not the good folks who live there, but the opportunists. |
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Location: Arkansas | I'm watching it now on CNN. Peaceful protest has turned ugly with the bad actor's. Police, tear gas, the whole nine yards. What a freaking mess! |
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Location: Harrisonville, Missouri | I guess they are going to protest until the officer is arrested. I wonder how much of Ferguson will be left if and when that ever happens. |
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Location: Harrisonville, Missouri | runnin hard - 2014-08-18 11:08 PM
I found it amazing that many were / are now complaining about tear gas and the "families peacefully protesting". If you are going to be protesting in any way WHY in the world would you bring your children?? There has already been gun fire and yet you bring kids....stay home, leave the streets to the unlawful and let it get brought under control. Oh and quit trashing your own neighborhood and businesses. However, I believe those doing the damage are not the good folks who live there, but the opportunists.
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Location: Kentucky | SKM - 2014-08-19 8:04 AM All I will say is I worked for a company that handed out "Obama phones". As a customer Care rep and then as a supervisor, I was NEVER treated as poorly by white people as I was black people. The mind set I saw (and actually was told this by more than one black person) was "This is Obamas world now. We can do whatever we want. You people have a job. I don't so you get to pay for me". Yet the media claims the white people are the racists.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
It's amazing how blinded by the media people are and they truly think that white people are the racists. When you work in these atmospheres, you see what's really happening. There is no such thing as "reverse racism". Racism IS racism.
I work downtown and see this crap every day. If you say something though, you are labeled a racist. You have to keep your mouth shut and get trampled on. They showed a clip on MSN yesterday where a white reporter was there with a newscrew and black protesters were throwing ROCKS at him. Now what the hell does that do? How does that help any situation? But he couldn't say anything to them or he would have been thrown to the wolves. It's like they are daring white people to say something to them. |
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Location: Silex, MO | I don't live very far from this mess but far enough, however I can tell you that of the 32 first arrest none of them where from Ferguson. They all came in and started looting and messing up stuff just to cause trouble. The young man is not as innocent as his family is trying to make him out to be and now you have so many groups here just stirring the pot each and every night because its unfair. You have to ask unfair to who? The business owners that your trashing, the kids that can not go to school. When the local stations interview someone its a joke they blame the white people and slavery. HUH???? That has nothing to do with what has happen.
That young man tried to take that cops gun when he stopped him and his friend after they had robbed a store. That much has come out. Now I don't know how much of that has come out on CNN, or any stations pass St. Louis. Of coarse they family lawyers are yelling that that is made up crap but the video tape date/time don't lie. He knew he had done something wrong when this all started. I am not saying he needed to die but crap happens in the heat of a moment when your a cop. |
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| Itsme - 2014-08-19 12:13 AM Both sides are jackasses, imagine being stopped by police all the time for little to no reason, im sure I would be doing more than looting.
Spoken just as much as a jackass as the rest of them!
How in the heck do you support looting and violence and expect good to come of it? Oh right...I think your one of the pot stirrers around here as well...why don't you go to Ferguson and jump right in.
On another note, I don't understand the "he's innocent, guaranteed" mentality. I don't understand how looting and throwing Molintov cocktails solves anything. I feel sorry for those people, and anyone who's become a victim down there. I don't feel sorry for the people who are being completely assinine and doing illegal things and getting gassed. Read this morning 2 were shot last night...didn't mention fatalities. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | The media shares blame in this mess. They need to STOP using the inflammatory headline " Black unarmed teenager killed by white cop" and actually report what we know to be true "6'4" 300# robbery suspect with violent crime history killed by officer during altercation that occured shortly after the strong arm robbery/assault of a shop owner was committed by the suspect." But...they won't do that as it doesn't get the ratings that the other angle does. Riots make for great live TV coverage.
The entitlement and false outrage of these people disgusts me. Most don't care what the truth or facts of the case might be. They see this as an opportunity to put it to the white people. Darn Racist sons of *#^&#*$&#&$. THEY are the racists and they somehow get a free pass. Worse yet they are destroying their own communities and eliminate any sympathy they might have garnered from folks like me if they had waited for the facts to come out and shown the restraint necessary until such time as justice could be served. No...they don't care about facts...they are looking for a payday...something for nothing...and an excuse to behave like animals.
Blacks are killing blacks daily all over...and yet that doesn't seem to matter one whit to these folks. It's not the white man keeping them down...it's their own actions that put them where they are today....and those same actions are going to keep them there...in their burned out looted neighborhood. So what if a lot of the looting etc is now being done by a bunch of outsiders. They are black outsiders and are doing this to other blacks. Where is the outrage from the black Furgeson folks and Al Sharpton over this? They are responsible for their own actions. |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | 1. The media needs to leave period. Too many people trying to grab their 5 minutes of fame that are not residents there and will leave and go on about their business at some point and the residents of Ferguson will be left to deal.
2. How do these people have the time to demonstrate peacefully or otherwise for over a week? I could not do that and still have my job.
3. Anyone checked the census data for Ferguson? I heard someone speak to the number of blacks vs. the number of whites arrested in Ferguson. There are about 40% more blacks than whites in Ferguson according to the 2010 census data. Do the math.
4. Looting does nothing to express concern over what happened in Ferguson.
5. There are gaping holes in all of this that are yet to be filled in. I totally agree with Komet. I really believe someone got the whole thing on video and someone has it.
6. If this were not constantly being portrayed as a race issue it would never have been mentioned on CNN. FOX, etc. They do not give the same attention to the blacks killing blacks several times a week in Chicago.
8. There are many, many, innocent victims in this - all the way down to the owner of the beauty supply store where looting took place and she has decided to close her shop and leave. Her daily life was disrupted and will never be the same.
9. If the officer is in the wrong I hope he faces the maximum penalty. Everyone agrees there was an altercation at the officer's car involving a gun. If the man charged the officer the officer had rite to protect himself - people do not have to have to be armed with a weapon to kill someone - people are beat to death every day.
10. Listen to the guy that was with the man when he robbed to store. Listen to him closely - look at his lawyer's face while he is speaking - the puppeteer grins big when the puppet performs well.
11. FINALLY - who is benefiting from all of this??????? The lawyers - everyone you see with any involvement in the case has one. Don't think they are not being advised what to say and what not to say????? Don't think they are being groomed for their day in court?????
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This is exactly what our govt wants. These shop owners are too afraid to protect their own buildings due to lawsuits and jail time so they become dependent on govt to come to the rescue. We need the shop owners to hole up and shoot anyone coming into their shops with bad intentions, if they did this it would be over in one night.
How can you guys dislike this? Too much truth?
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Location: NE Texas | Honestly if I were the law enforcement people in that area right now, I would shoot first and ask questions later. If these protestors want to act like it's the wild, wild west, then that's how it should be treated. If they want to peacefully protest, fine, but if you want to destroy things, throw flaming bottles, carry guns and knives, then you shall be treated as a criminal no questions asked. I'm so tired of the entitlement people feel and who everyone is always wronged or mistreated.....our kids never do anything wrong, etc. These people have no respect for themselves, so to assume they have any respect for authority is simply ludicrous.
Bottom line, show respect, get respect. Act like a criminal and be treated like a criminal. Create havoc and destruction, expect it to be returned.
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Murphy - 2014-08-19 5:09 AM SKM - 2014-08-19 8:04 AM All I will say is I worked for a company that handed out "Obama phones". As a customer Care rep and then as a supervisor, I was NEVER treated as poorly by white people as I was black people. The mind set I saw (and actually was told this by more than one black person) was "This is Obamas world now. We can do whatever we want. You people have a job. I don't so you get to pay for me". Yet the media claims the white people are the racists. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
It's amazing how blinded by the media people are and they truly think that white people are the racists. When you work in these atmospheres, you see what's really happening. There is no such thing as "reverse racism". Racism IS racism.
I work downtown and see this crap every day. If you say something though, you are labeled a racist. You have to keep your mouth shut and get trampled on. They showed a clip on MSN yesterday where a white reporter was there with a newscrew and black protesters were throwing ROCKS at him. Now what the hell does that do? How does that help any situation? But he couldn't say anything to them or he would have been thrown to the wolves. It's like they are daring white people to say something to them.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | The only people that have been hurt during the protests have been policemen and yet some of the race baiters are saying the police have been too forceful...Really? Then why are they the only ones that have been hurt? Thye weren't forceful enough and is why buildings were burnt and stores looted.
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Location: Midwest | Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:32 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 12:15 AM This is exactly what our govt wants. These shop owners are too afraid to protect their own buildings due to lawsuits and jail time so they become dependent on govt to come to the rescue. We need the shop owners to hole up and shoot anyone coming into their shops with bad intentions, if they did this it would be over in one night. How can you guys dislike this? Too much truth? Y'all want big govt to save you from the scary blackman?
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Location: SE Louisiana | crossspur - 2014-08-19 6:47 AM
This is nothing new remember Rodney King
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Location: Finally horseback again.... | It is sad that our country has sank to this level....
We had a young black man shot in the head by an older white gentleman that was taking a walk with his dog at the park. The media put the story out about how this was such a great young man, good grades, band student ect.
But the real story was that the punk and his three punk buddies attempted to rob this elderly man at gunpoint with four pistols pointed at him and one shot at him. He defends himself with a legally registed handgun and had his concealed handgun license . He caught the punk in the back of the head when he was running when he found out the man could defend himself.
That man recieved death threats while they put on a honoring memorial service for a criminal at our local high school.
Our society has gone so far wrong it is pathetic to watch. The norm now is that the criminals have more rights than law abiding citizens and the people who work are punished with exorbant taxes and fees while the lazy, thieving, drug dealing scum are rewarded with welfare, paid housing, paid phones, free insurance, interest free loans and who knows what else. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | So do you think that white people should start protesting everytime a black kills a white person? The problem is that would be a full time job. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | Nevertooold - 2014-08-19 3:04 PM So do you think that white people should start protesting everytime a black kills a white person? The problem is that would be a full time job.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-08-19 3:10 PM Nevertooold - 2014-08-19 3:04 PM So do you think that white people should start protesting everytime a black kills a white person? The problem is that would be a full time job. Then we would just be accused of racial profiling! It's a lose/lose for us!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | My thought is they need to dig a huge hole and throw all those so called classless protestors in it and cover.. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | All these protestors dont even live in that county I heard, these are pot stirrers and are living off the system, they all need there butts kicked. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-19 3:15 PM My thought is they need to dig a huge hole and throw all those so called classless protestors in it and cover..
They have made over 32 arrests and non of them were from Ferguson. I would guess they are gang members and took an opportunity to loot. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Nevertooold - 2014-08-19 3:23 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-19 3:15 PM My thought is they need to dig a huge hole and throw all those so called classless protestors in it and cover..
They need to use the 3 S's for these worthless bunch of pukes, Shoot Shovel and Shutup... |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Holder needs to investigate the IRS, Benghazi and the border...Sending 40 FBI men to Ferguson is a slap into the face of America. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Itsme - 2014-08-19 3:28 PM I just trad LEOs shot another guy in St Louis...
I feel so sorry for the good people that have to live there and have to put up with all this mess. I can not picture having to live in this horror worrying about my family while the looters run the streets.. |
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Location: The edge of no where | Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:32 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 12:15 AM This is exactly what our govt wants. These shop owners are too afraid to protect their own buildings due to lawsuits and jail time so they become dependent on govt to come to the rescue. We need the shop owners to hole up and shoot anyone coming into their shops with bad intentions, if they did this it would be over in one night. How can you guys dislike this? Too much truth? Y'all want big govt to save you from the scary blackman?
I'm having difficulty following your train of thought. You post once seeming to support the looters, but then again saying the store owners should take things into their own hands? Which is it?
For the record, the scariest black man we've seen yet is sitting in the white house. I don't give a damn about color, you act like a thug, then expect to get treated as such.
I really don't think the cop made a mistake, he was justified in shooting a low life criminal.
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A guy with a knife 3 feet from the officer coming at him, hand raised to strike with the knife. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-19 3:35 PM Itsme - 2014-08-19 3:28 PM I just trad LEOs shot another guy in St Louis... I feel so sorry for the good people that have to live there and have to put up with all this mess. I can not picture having to live in this horror worrying about my family while the looters run the streets..
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Nevertooold - 2014-08-19 4:27 PM Holder needs to investigate the IRS, Benghazi and the border...Sending 40 FBI men to Ferguson is a slap into the face of America.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | My thoughts are that the National Guard should have been called in after the first night of looting and stationed on the roof tops. They should have made it known....If you loot......WE SHOOT !!!!! I don't care what color you are......I feel bad for the honest hardworking shop owners that are taking the brunt of this fiasco.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | rodeomom3 - 2014-08-19 3:45 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-19 3:35 PM Itsme - 2014-08-19 3:28 PM I just trad LEOs shot another guy in St Louis... I feel so sorry for the good people that have to live there and have to put up with all this mess. I can not picture having to live in this horror worrying about my family while the looters run the streets..
What would happen to a family man if he did shot one of these looters while protecting his family or store? These protestors are asking for trouble and want trouble, many prayers for the people of Ferguson. |
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| MS2011 - 2014-08-19 3:35 PM
Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:32 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 12:15 AM This is exactly what our govt wants. These shop owners are too afraid to protect their own buildings due to lawsuits and jail time so they become dependent on govt to come to the rescue. We need the shop owners to hole up and shoot anyone coming into their shops with bad intentions, if they did this it would be over in one night. How can you guys dislike this? Too much truth? Y'all want big govt to save you from the scary blackman?
For the record, the scariest black man we've seen yet is sitting in the white house. I don't give a damn about color, you act like a thug, then expect to get treated as such.
I really don't think the cop made a mistake, he was justified in shooting a low life criminal.
I dont support the looters, but if I were always harassed for frivolous bs my entire life I too would take to the street at some point , but I would use force...
I guess im just a little different than most, I dont want leos to protect me from looters and sure as hell dont want the national guard involved, thats why we have the 2nd...Like I SAID BEFORE, the govt loves it when we are helpless and dependent on them. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-19 3:58 PM
rodeomom3 - 2014-08-19 3:45 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-19 3:35 PM Itsme - 2014-08-19 3:28 PM I just trad LEOs shot another guy in St Louis... I feel so sorry for the good people that have to live there and have to put up with all this mess. I can not picture having to live in this horror worrying about my family while the looters run the streets..
He should be given a medal, but who knows in todays America, it might be illegal to protect yourself and property in ferguson. |
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| NJJ - 2014-08-19 3:58 PM
My thoughts are that the National Gaurd should have been called in after the first night of looting and stationed on the roof tops. They should have made it known....If you loot......WE SHOOT !!!!! I don't care what color you are......I feel bad for the honest hardworking shop owners that are taking the brunt of this fiasco.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Itsme - 2014-08-19 4:19 PM NJJ - 2014-08-19 3:58 PM My thoughts are that the National Guard should have been called in after the first night of looting and stationed on the roof tops. They should have made it known....If you loot......WE SHOOT !!!!! I don't care what color you are......I feel bad for the honest hardworking shop owners that are taking the brunt of this fiasco. Thats not American! You guys would have loved Nazi Germany....
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Itsme - 2014-08-19 4:22 PM I did just read ISIS cut off the head of an American journalist and posted the video for all to see...
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Location: oklahoma | They're slaves to the handouts and don't even realize that that's where their entitlement attitude comes from. Everyone needs a purpose in life and when you don't work for anything and receive a paycheck for your efforts, there's no sense of pride and your beholden to the system. Generation after generation,it's a crutch, an excuse to loot and steal and destroy other peoples livelihoods because they ( looters/thieves) don't own anything so what difference does it make when it gets destroyed? I think that evidence is pretty damning that this shooting was justified in that the policeman was in fear of his life. How would any of us handle this? Hopefully well never know. I haven't formed much of an opinion until today simply waiting on reports to come in and as far as the looters, they need to crack down on them. Jail etc is going to be more effective rather that reasoning with thugs. Lastly, lol. The media needs to leave. None of us need minute by minute reports. Keeps people pissed and in turmoil.... |
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| NJJ - 2014-08-19 4:30 PM
Itsme - 2014-08-19 4:22 PM I did just read ISIS cut off the head of an American journalist and posted the video for all to see...
That reporter (Foley) has been missing since November of 2012.....
I read he "walked in" in 2012...
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Itsme - 2014-08-19 4:19 PM NJJ - 2014-08-19 3:58 PM My thoughts are that the National Guard should have been called in after the first night of looting and stationed on the roof tops. They should have made it known....If you loot......WE SHOOT !!!!! I don't care what color you are......I feel bad for the honest hardworking shop owners that are taking the brunt of this fiasco. Thats not American! You guys would have loved Nazi Germany....
Im not getting into a copy and paste contest over this, protect yourself and dont rely upon the govt to do it. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | ....but the police just keep screwing up....
Three journalists from German newspapers were taken into custody on Monday evening. Two of them, Ansgar Graw and Frank Herrmann of the newspaper Die Welt, were detained for three hours and then released without any charges.
"This was a very new experience," Graw wrote, according to an English-language translation of his German-language account. "I've been in several conflict zones: I was in the civil war regions in Georgia, the Gaza strip, illegally visited the Kaliningrad region when travel to the Soviet Union was still strictly prohibited for westerners, I've been in Iraq, Vietnam and in China, I've met Cuba dissidents. But to be arrested and yelled at and be rudely treated by police? For that I had to travel to Ferguson and St. Louis in the United States of America."  |
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| komet. - 2014-08-19 4:46 PM
....but the police just keep screwing up....
Three journalists from German newspapers were taken into custody on Monday evening. Two of them, Ansgar Graw and Frank Herrmann of the newspaper Die Welt, were detained for three hours and then released without any charges.
"This was a very new experience," Graw wrote, according to an English-language translation of his German-language account. "I've been in several conflict zones: I was in the civil war regions in Georgia, the Gaza strip, illegally visited the Kaliningrad region when travel to the Soviet Union was still strictly prohibited for westerners, I've been in Iraq, Vietnam and in China, I've met Cuba dissidents. But to be arrested and yelled at and be rudely treated by police? For that I had to travel to Ferguson and St. Louis in the United States of America."
With this I have to agree with you Komet. No leadership by anyone in this whole thing from the Police all the way to the Governor. Now the AG is coming to town to add fuel to the fire. |
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Location: oklahoma | jbhoot - 2014-08-19 4:58 PM With this I have to agree with you Komet. No leadership by anyone in this whole thing from the Police all the way to the Governor. Now the AG is coming to town to add fuel to the fire.
Why is holder involved in a local issue? I'd think that they had bigger fish to fry. Rome is burning |
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Location: oklahoma | NJJ - 2014-08-19 4:30 PM Itsme - 2014-08-19 4:22 PM I did just read ISIS cut off the head of an American journalist and posted the video for all to see... That reporter (Foley) has been missing since November of 2012.....
There's reports from today that he was beheaded. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | CurlyQ - 2014-08-19 5:04 PM jbhoot - 2014-08-19 4:58 PM With this I have to agree with you Komet. No leadership by anyone in this whole thing from the Police all the way to the Governor. Now the AG is coming to town to add fuel to the fire.
Because Sharpton and "Civil Rights" leaders are screaming that his civil rights have been violated........ |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | CurlyQ - 2014-08-19 5:09 PM NJJ - 2014-08-19 4:30 PM Itsme - 2014-08-19 4:22 PM I did just read ISIS cut off the head of an American journalist and posted the video for all to see... That reporter (Foley) has been missing since November of 2012.....
The video was "shown" today......still unknown when the execution happened. There was another journalist in the pictures. That journalist has been missing since 2013. |
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Location: oklahoma | NJJ - 2014-08-19 5:12 PM CurlyQ - 2014-08-19 5:09 PM NJJ - 2014-08-19 4:30 PM Itsme - 2014-08-19 4:22 PM I did just read ISIS cut off the head of an American journalist and posted the video for all to see... That reporter (Foley) has been missing since November of 2012.....
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Location: SE Louisiana | CurlyQ - 2014-08-19 5:04 PM
jbhoot - 2014-08-19 4:58 PM With this I have to agree with you Komet. No leadership by anyone in this whole thing from the Police all the way to the Governor. Now the AG is coming to town to add fuel to the fire.
Holder is involved because Obozo sent him there.. Make no mistake. No mater what the grand jury return, the feds will come down on this cop in some form or another. |
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| I am sorry but this whole thing ticks me off... working within law enforcement, its sad how little respect they have. So many people are throwing stones at LE yet then they need help, who do they call? These officers have families, friends, children, pets to go home to and they have to articulate every move they make and put themselves in danger everday for others. I had an officer who ran into a fully englufed home and drug the home owners out. Do you think it made news? nope.
Racism goes both ways and I can tell you, I take calls from african american males frequently and i cant tell you how hateful they are towards white people. Racism goes both ways and you bet your ass LE profiles. HOWEVER, people are mistaken that its goes both ways. If you are white in a primarily black, hispanic neighborhood you are going to be suspicious.
I pray for this officer and his agency. His career will forever change. You ask any officer, opening fire and killing someone isnt easy on your conscious no matter how big of a scum bag they are. |
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| Wait! How can these peaceful "folks" be protesting (rioting/looting/bombing) during the day, don't they all have jobs to go to?
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | stayceem - 2014-08-19 5:23 PM I am sorry but this whole thing ticks me off... working within law enforcement, its sad how little respect they have. So many people are throwing stones at LE yet then they need help, who do they call? These officers have families, friends, children, pets to go home to and they have to articulate every move they make and put themselves in danger everday for others. I had an officer who ran into a fully englufed home and drug the home owners out. Do you think it made news? nope. Racism goes both ways and I can tell you, I take calls from african american males frequently and i cant tell you how hateful they are towards white people. Racism goes both ways and you bet your ass LE profiles. HOWEVER, people are mistaken that its goes both ways. If you are white in a primarily black, hispanic neighborhood you are going to be suspicious. I pray for this officer and his agency. His career will forever change. You ask any officer, opening fire and killing someone isnt easy on your conscious no matter how big of a scum bag they are.
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Location: SE Louisiana | Scootch - 2014-08-19 5:31 PM
Wait! How can these peaceful "folks" be protesting (rioting/looting/bombing) during the day, don't they all have jobs to go to?
Oh......
The same way you can work all day then come home to feed and ride your horses, clean the barn or maybe dash off to a quick race in the evening. Oh wait... |
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| komet. - 2014-08-19 5:38 PM Scootch - 2014-08-19 5:31 PM Wait! How can these peaceful "folks" be protesting (rioting/looting/bombing) during the day, don't they all have jobs to go to?
Oh...... The same way you can work all day then come home to feed and ride your horses, clean the barn or maybe dash off to a quick race in the evening. Oh wait...
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Location: oklahoma | komet. - 2014-08-19 5:18 PM CurlyQ - 2014-08-19 5:04 PM jbhoot - 2014-08-19 4:58 PM With this I have to agree with you Komet. No leadership by anyone in this whole thing from the Police all the way to the Governor. Now the AG is coming to town to add fuel to the fire. Holder is involved because Obozo sent him there.. Make no mistake. No mater what the grand jury return, the feds will come down on this cop in some form or another.
I know, lol i kinda answered my own question. Makes me angry that these hate mongers are adding fuel. |
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Location: oklahoma | Whomever the black man is on Brett Baier right now is spot on... He said 'instead of Holder and Obama using the race card when it benefits their agenda, they should be examples of how to succeed to young blacks and tell them to pull their pants up, get an education.' (Paraphrased).
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Location: SE Louisiana | I was really pizzed at Jay Nixon the other day when he said he was appalled at the actions of the police because "I've been there almost every day" he said... I sent a comment to the governors office saying if he would instead of visiting almost every day, he should visit almost every night to see what these cops have to deal with 1st hand. Then he might not be so appalled.. |
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Location: oklahoma | komet. - 2014-08-19 6:02 PM I was really pizzed at Jay Nixon the other day when he said he was appalled at the actions of the police because "I've been there almost every day" he said... I sent a comment to the governors office saying if he would instead of visiting almost every day, he should visit almost every night to see what these cops have to deal with 1st hand. Then he might not be so appalled..
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | komet. - 2014-08-19 6:02 PM I was really pizzed at Jay Nixon the other day when he said he was appalled at the actions of the police because "I've been there almost every day" he said... I sent a comment to the governors office saying if he would instead of visiting almost every day, he should visit almost every night to see what these cops have to deal with 1st hand. Then he might not be so appalled..
It's called getting the black vote. Many of the political bufoons are using this for their re-election. Shameful. |
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| cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM
and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism.
Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Itsme - 2014-08-19 9:44 PM
cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM
and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism.
Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO
In the 1st place... The cops don't have tanks.... and those of you that care to remember the drug wars when the cops were outgunned will realize why the cops are armed so heavily now. The problem we have here is they got military style equipment without the training that should have gone with it. It takes military training to be able to use military equipment in a practicable manner. That's why it used to be restricted to the military.. |
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Location: fun meter pegged OK | I haven't read all 4 pages, so if it's been said already I'm just repeating it again. I am sick of all the news coverage trying to justify people behaving badly. I'm tired of the POTUS and US AG interjecting race into everything just for political points and now this at the cost of a persons life.
MLK Jr is rolling in his grave. Obama, Holder, New Black Panther Party, ACLU, Sharpton, and Jackson have done more damage to the race relations in this country setting it back decades. Where is the out cry of all the black on black crime/killings in Chicago, NYC, LA, etc frrom these same individuals?
What has happened to the rights of the police officer? What about innocent until proven guilty? How can a Grand Jury be convened before all the evidence is in? What will happen next when a store owner who is protecting his property/way of living because the police can't fires on someone?
How close are we to another civil war? 
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:04 PM LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE NOT MILITARY AND SHOULDN'T ACT MILITARIZED!
And protestors shouldn't act like animals so what is your point? How about you join the police and go out in shorts and flip flops and let us know how that works out for you. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | yankeeredneck - 2014-08-19 10:28 PM I haven't read all 4 pages, so if it's been said already I'm just repeating it again. I am sick of all the news coverage trying to justify people behaving badly. I'm tired of the POTUS and US AG interjecting race into everything just for political points and now this at the cost of a persons life.
MLK Jr is rolling in his grave. Obama, Holder, New Black Panther Party, ACLU, Sharpton, and Jackson have done more damage to the race relations in this country setting it back decades. Where is the out cry of all the black on black crime/killings in Chicago, NYC, LA, etc frrom these same individuals?
What has happened to the rights of the police officer? What about innocent until proven guilty? How can a Grand Jury be convened before all the evidence is in? What will happen next when a store owner who is protecting his property/way of living because the police can't fires on someone?
How close are we to another civil war?
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Nevertooold - 2014-08-19 10:30 PM yankeeredneck - 2014-08-19 10:28 PM I haven't read all 4 pages, so if it's been said already I'm just repeating it again. I am sick of all the news coverage trying to justify people behaving badly. I'm tired of the POTUS and US AG interjecting race into everything just for political points and now this at the cost of a persons life.
MLK Jr is rolling in his grave. Obama, Holder, New Black Panther Party, ACLU, Sharpton, and Jackson have done more damage to the race relations in this country setting it back decades. Where is the out cry of all the black on black crime/killings in Chicago, NYC, LA, etc frrom these same individuals?
What has happened to the rights of the police officer? What about innocent until proven guilty? How can a Grand Jury be convened before all the evidence is in? What will happen next when a store owner who is protecting his property/way of living because the police can't fires on someone?
How close are we to another civil war?
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Location: SE Louisiana | I was looking at the autopsy report and had another thought... We know Brown's friend lied about the shot in the back.... Well he also said Brown had his hands in the air when the cop shot him... Yet he was shot 4 times in the right arm... Does anyone really think the cop was shooting at the arm raised in the air? |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO
Well then .... How about they call all LEO's in this morning and have them turn in all their gear. Then on their way out the door they get one sheet of notebook paper,because a pack would be excessive force, and one straw. They can protect themselves with spit balls and when one is killed and if he is white it will be called justice. If he is black killed by a black we will never hear about it. Apparently they have had some training. It takes training to be able to not react when someone is in your face yelling at you. I was alive in the 60's and 70's and officers were armed with riot gear them and the National Guard had tanks to use if necessary. This is nothing new. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | SKM - 2014-08-20 5:51 AM I saw where the cop had a fractured eye socket from the struggle. Last night on the news, a white journalist asked a black male protester if he thought Brown was 100% innocent still given the new facts. The protesters responce? "My people are always innocent no matter what they do". They don't care about the truth. Their minds are already made up.
That right there. It's the mentality of "it doesn't matter what he did, because the white man had it coming for enslaving my people and holding us down." I feel like we have time traveled backwards 50 years around here, just in the last 6. |
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| cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM
Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO
How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment?
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Itsme - 2014-08-20 8:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment?
Because the SAME thing (riots) would start if it "happened" to be a white shop keeper that killed a black robber......Then you would just have more MOB RULE...... |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Itsme - 2014-08-20 8:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment?
Because they want to pretend that we live in a more civilized time when such things are not necessary. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment?
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| 3canstorun - 2014-08-20 8:48 AM
Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment?
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Itsme - 2014-08-20 8:57 AM 3canstorun - 2014-08-20 8:48 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment? I think ol'whitey can handle himself...
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Itsme - 2014-08-20 8:57 AM 3canstorun - 2014-08-20 8:48 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment? I think ol'whitey can handle himself...
Its never ending with you guys, let govt protect you from your neighbors, you know, the govt thats so great at everything they do... |
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Been doing a little reading on deindividuation and how it relates to violence. First- the definition of deindividuation
-Deindividuation is the perceived loss of individuality and personal responsibility that can occur when someone participates as part of a group-
Ok, there has been several studies done correlating deindividuation and violence, suggesting that warriors who paint faces, wear masks or obscure their identity become significantly more violent in battle. One was done by Robert Watson(Harvard) and here is a quick synopsis of it
-Tested P. Zimbardo's hypothesis that the process of deindividuation leads to aggressive behavior using a worldwide sample selected from the cultures found in the Human Relations Area files. The variable of aggression was determined using Slater's code on "killing, torturing, or mutilating the enemy," which produced 37 cultures coded as high and medium and 47 coded as low. This sample was then reduced to avoid contamination. A comparison of linguistic groups and geographic locations was made, and those cultures that were too similar were eliminated. A code for deindividuation before going into battle was written and applied to the remaining 27 cultures. A significant positive relationship was found between deindividuation and aggressiveness in this sample.-
http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1973-24736-001
Ok so assuming this is true, we have SWAT Teams that have drastically increased in number and use since the 1970s (here is some info on SWAT)
Kraska estimates that total number of SWAT raids in America jumped from just a few hundred per year in the 1970s, to a few thousand by the early 1980s, to around 50,000 by the mid-2000s.
The vast majority of those raids are to serve warrants on people suspected of nonviolent drug crimes. Police forces were no longer reserving SWAT teams and paramilitary tactics for events that presented an immediate threat to the public. They were now using them mostly as an investigative tool in drug cases, creating violent confrontations with people suspected of nonviolent, consensual crimes.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/06/aclu-police-militarization...
also we have Zimbardos experiment with prison guards and prisoners where the guards were deindividuated with reflective glasses and uniforms-
The experiment, originally planned to span over two weeks, ended after only six days because of the sadistic treatment of the prisoners from the guards. Zimbardo attributed this behavior to deindividuation due to immersion within the group and creation of a strong group dynamic. Several elements added to the deindividuation of both guards and prisoners. Prisoners were made to dress alike, wearing stocking caps and hospital dressing gowns, and also were identified only by a number assigned to them rather than by their name. Guards were also given uniforms and reflective glasses which hid their faces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deindividuation
The government is handing out all this military equipment and SWAT raids are going through the roof for drug crimes and search warrants.
Is the government trying to actively deindividuate the police even further? It seems to have been proven that taking away individuality while giving someone power and having an authority figure that the individual can shift responsibility for the bad behavior to (for example whoever thought it was a good idea to increase SWAT raids by 10,000%) has led to extreme violence in psychology studies and that seems to be exactly what our gov is doing to the police. Increasing their deindividuation as much as possible while simultaneously forcing violent conflicts with the public for no apparent reason. Seems to be like Zimbardo's experiment but with lots of weapons involved. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:21 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-20 9:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 8:57 AM 3canstorun - 2014-08-20 8:48 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment? I think ol'whitey can handle himself... Its never ending with you guys, let govt protect you from your neighbors, you know, the govt thats so great at everything they do...
That's not it at all and this circumstance is much different than a run of the mill robbery. To think that defending your property against hoards of looters wouldn't result in a full scale violent race war, even if it stayed local, is naive. This culture does not value human life. Not their own and sure as heck no one else's. So if the mobs come knocking and you start shooting, be prepared for ugly to run rampant. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | " Increasing their deindividuation as much as possible while simultaneously forcing violent conflicts with the public for no apparent reason. "
Uhhh...well I do believe Officer Wilson was in standard police uniform in a standard car not SWAT not militarized...not driving a tank. He certainly didn't FORCE a violent conflict witha member of "the public" for no apparent reason. I firmly believe that the violence, looting and mob rule would have occurred following that shooting even if the police came in wearing pink tutus and handing out balloons and lollipops.
Your referenced study lends itself very well to the mob mentality of the violent protesters...moreso than the cops. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:28 AM See what military equipment your police bought... http://www.freep.com/interactive/article/20140817/NEWS06/140726001/...
My county wasn't on the list, so apparently none. So I looked up one nearby that is a hotbed for gang activity (and home of the town known as Crime Bluff. LOL)AR JEFFERSON LAUNCHER,GRENADE 1 Each $720.00 7/11/2006 AR JEFFERSON PISTOL,CALIBER .45,AUTOMATIC 1 Each $58.71 4/10/2009 AR JEFFERSON PISTOL,CALIBER .45,AUTOMATIC 1 Each $58.71 4/10/2009 AR JEFFERSON PISTOL,CALIBER .45,AUTOMATIC 1 Each $58.71 4/10/2009 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 and so on, and so forth. Interesting on the grenade launcher. Edited by Three 4 Luck 2014-08-20 9:45 AM
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment?
...... and that would solve what in this particular situation? Have you ever in your life been in a situation where you felt threatened enough to shoot someone? Have you ever shot someone? Much easier said than done. The property owners have the right to protect themselves and thankfully they have the good sense to know that doing so in this particular situation would cause a already volatile situation to erupt. It would not be the threat/fear of imprisionment that would prevent me from protecting my property in this situation - it would be the fear of being permanantly maimed or killed by someone there with a gun other than LEOs. I honestly feel I would survie my date in court. Not that it really matters - but I do have my CWP and am a pretty good shot. My gun is even registered. You spoke of training - how much training do you think the guy with the knife that charged the police had in the proper handling of a knife? How many of those out protesting and firing shots do you think are trained in gun safety and caring a registered gun? |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Itsme - 2014-08-20 10:28 AM See what military equipment your police bought... http://www.freep.com/interactive/article/20140817/NEWS06/140726001/... Did you look at St. Louis County, MO? Saw some utility trucks - no tanks and no granade launchers. A lot of monitors, computers, some guns, robot for explosives, washcloths, 1 set of elbow pads, some type of coveralls, etc. It may be different in Michigan that was referenced in the artile in your link - but St. Loius looked pretty run of the mill to me and that is the area this thread is about. I will say the cost of the 1 wash cloth threw me for a loop. Must be a really nice one - not like the cheap ones I have a my house. :) That is something you normally hear someone talking about in situations such as the one in Ferguson. Has anyone had there had the time to even begin to compile the cost of over a week of unrest? Edited by cruise 2014-08-20 9:57 AM
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | cruise - 2014-08-20 8:35 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment?
I haven't read all of this, just want to say that I agree that it's our personal resposibility and DUTY to protect ourselves if need be. To roll over, play dead or allow ourselves to be bullied and terrorized...is foolish. That's why we have 'Sheriff's Possee', search & rescue...and even militias. We have not only the right but the duty to uphold the law of our land as citizens.
People are controlled by fear.
I've been in 'situations' many times...thankfully, 'my' side became the ones to fear! Lol...and not because we're terrorists, rather because we refuse to be terrorized. We have an oath to each other & a plan...count to 3 & go @ 2 1/2. We are on the side of the law. Always have been, always will be.
I realize that most ppl have never had to know themselves this way & I hope never do...it's good to have a plan, though.
If the good people of Ferguson would stand up to the looters I guarantee it would stop with less violence than what is happening now.
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Location: Sperry, OK | Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:21 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-20 9:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 8:57 AM 3canstorun - 2014-08-20 8:48 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment? I think ol'whitey can handle himself... Its never ending with you guys, let govt protect you from your neighbors, you know, the govt thats so great at everything they do...
Well I tell you what... why don't you take your single shot sod off 12 guage and go down there and see how successful you are against 200! Do you really think the "average" american citizen can hold their own (with the normal types and quantities of guns the "average" american has) against a whole town, and the neighboring towns with their endless supply of automatic weapons? And it is not just 1 person at a time that goes into a store when looting/rioting.. its swarms of them. SERIOUSLY YOU HAVE A PROBLEM! |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-08-20 9:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:21 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-20 9:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 8:57 AM 3canstorun - 2014-08-20 8:48 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment? I think ol'whitey can handle himself... Its never ending with you guys, let govt protect you from your neighbors, you know, the govt thats so great at everything they do...
Just remember...when people gang up they're usually cowards...none of them want to be 'the one' that gets shot...they'll hide like the cockroaches they are when you turn on the lights.
If I'm gonna die I'm going down fighting & will take a few with me when I go...
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Location: Sperry, OK | musikmaker - 2014-08-20 10:10 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-08-20 9:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:21 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-20 9:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 8:57 AM 3canstorun - 2014-08-20 8:48 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment? I think ol'whitey can handle himself... Its never ending with you guys, let govt protect you from your neighbors, you know, the govt thats so great at everything they do...
If I'm gonna die I'm going down fighting & will take a few with me when I go...
Fear sux.
I agree with your statement.. but my point is: you are not going to be able to stop the masses and stop the rioting/looting with taking out 1 or 2 with you. You need assistance from a larger mass ... The National Guard, would be that mass. That is all I am trying to say. The National Guard is a state invoked militia to portect the citizens from internal uprisings (such as what is going on in Ferguson). They are also now incorporated with the Federal military. Once they started to accept equimpent and machinery from the Armed Forces to help them in their quest to protect us.. the Federal Military envoked a clause stating that if deemed neccessary, they could then be called up into action with our National Armed Forces.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-08-20 9:20 AM musikmaker - 2014-08-20 10:10 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-08-20 9:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:21 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-20 9:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 8:57 AM 3canstorun - 2014-08-20 8:48 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment? I think ol'whitey can handle himself... Its never ending with you guys, let govt protect you from your neighbors, you know, the govt thats so great at everything they do...
If I'm gonna die I'm going down fighting & will take a few with me when I go...
Fear sux.
I understand the sentiment...I hope it works, too! 'Martial Law' is a scary prospect & I think that part of our problem today is the thought process that 'cops' are there to protect us...they should if they can, but, seriously, do we hire them to take the bullet? That's crazy to me...mostly they're there to write up the report...after the fact. People cause problems then want someone else to clean it up...we need to start acting like adults & facing the consequences of our own actions.
We have a huge separation between the public & the law right now that needs healed...it starts at home.
Ferguson is just an example of the oppression we all live under...I sure hope some good comes of it.
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Location: CA | Our country is in transistion. We are going from a capitalist societ to a socialist society. It can't be stopped now without civil war. We have been like frogs put in a pot on the stove. At first it wasn't so bad, yeah we can be forced to wear seat belts, helments. Yes we can allow people to spill coffee on themselves and sue for millions of dollars. On and on. In California we have more people on assistance than work. That can't go on. The border situation has gotten out of control. They brought in Eboli. It is in Sacramento now. The kids that "showed up" that walked across Mexico (cough... my ass... cough) are what opened up the gates. The pot is boiling. We will submit. The govt. has been sending tanks and other supplies by rail all over the US. I have had many folks send me pictures. I am not sure what to do about any of it. |
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| ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-08-20 10:20 AM
musikmaker - 2014-08-20 10:10 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-08-20 9:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:21 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-20 9:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 8:57 AM 3canstorun - 2014-08-20 8:48 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment? I think ol'whitey can handle himself... Its never ending with you guys, let govt protect you from your neighbors, you know, the govt thats so great at everything they do...
If I'm gonna die I'm going down fighting & will take a few with me when I go...
Fear sux.
Wrong, wrong, wrong! One store with multiple gunmen could easily take out dozens of looters if it came to that, multiply that by 20+ stores and its game over in one night. Right now we are just empowering the losers by letting them feel as though they can push us around and nothing happens.
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| T turning 3 - 2014-08-20 10:38 AM
Our country is in transistion. We are going from a capitalist societ to a socialist society. It can't be stopped now without civil war. We have been like frogs put in a pot on the stove. At first it wasn't so bad, yeah we can be forced to wear seat belts, helments. Yes we can allow people to spill coffee on themselves and sue for millions of dollars. On and on. In California we have more people on assistance than work. That can't go on. The border situation has gotten out of control. They brought in Eboli. It is in Sacramento now. The kids that "showed up" that walked across Mexico (cough... my ass... cough) are what opened up the gates. The pot is boiling. We will submit. The govt. has been sending tanks and other supplies by rail all over the US. I have had many folks send me pictures. I am not sure what to do about any of it.
All (most) the people on here claim to be proud republicans and are strongly against liberalism, but want big govt to bail them out at a drop of a hat. |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | T turning 3 - 2014-08-20 9:38 AM Our country is in transistion. We are going from a capitalist societ to a socialist society. It can't be stopped now without civil war. We have been like frogs put in a pot on the stove. At first it wasn't so bad, yeah we can be forced to wear seat belts, helments. Yes we can allow people to spill coffee on themselves and sue for millions of dollars. On and on. In California we have more people on assistance than work. That can't go on. The border situation has gotten out of control. They brought in Eboli. It is in Sacramento now. The kids that "showed up" that walked across Mexico (cough... my ass... cough) are what opened up the gates. The pot is boiling. We will submit. The govt. has been sending tanks and other supplies by rail all over the US. I have had many folks send me pictures. I am not sure what to do about any of it.
So true. Sadly.
What really concerns me is how we're all so divided & fighting each other instead of the oppressors.
I've watched, as many of us have, for years how it's been done & am at a complete loss of how to make a difference. Most of us with 'western' roots try to mind our own business, yet, we're losing due to the continued 'push' of those who want socialism/communism. They wore us down. I mostly feel helpless & hopeless.
The strength of a people is in land ownership...and the federal reserve bank needs to be abolished.
Yesterday! It's all connected...
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Itsme - 2014-08-20 10:44 AM T turning 3 - 2014-08-20 10:38 AM Our country is in transistion. We are going from a capitalist societ to a socialist society. It can't be stopped now without civil war. We have been like frogs put in a pot on the stove. At first it wasn't so bad, yeah we can be forced to wear seat belts, helments. Yes we can allow people to spill coffee on themselves and sue for millions of dollars. On and on. In California we have more people on assistance than work. That can't go on. The border situation has gotten out of control. They brought in Eboli. It is in Sacramento now. The kids that "showed up" that walked across Mexico (cough... my ass... cough) are what opened up the gates. The pot is boiling. We will submit. The govt. has been sending tanks and other supplies by rail all over the US. I have had many folks send me pictures. I am not sure what to do about any of it. All (most ) the people on here claim to be proud republicans and are strongly against liberalism, but want big govt to bail them out at a drop of a hat.
What I want is for people to raise their kids to be decent human beings. And for people to take responsibility for their situation and their actions. I blame the situation in Ferguson on the culture that teaches victimhood, hatred, and thuggery. It's culture and resultant behavior, not skin color, that causes most so-called racism, but they refuse to see that. |
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Enough said!
Edited by ACEINTHEHOLE 2014-08-20 11:13 AM
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Location: NE Texas | This group of people has absolutely no respect for themselves, for authority, for any other human (including their family), or any other thing. They have zero to lose if they get in trouble with the law, they have never had any structure in their life or any purpose. This group of people have no dreams, no goals, no aspirations, and no ethics. It is absolutely a cultural thing and not necessarily a color thing. I have many black friends who I love dearly and they too are appalled by this.
There will never be resolution here, and this officer is screwed no matter what. If they don't prosecute him, he will be killed anyway. it's a no win for him, i'm afraid. The arms of this type of hatred reach far and wide. This is absolutely not what racial equality is about. I want to make up a bunch of t-shirts with MLK's picture on it that say I HAD a dream, but this is a nightmare. This is absolutely not the goal any of the people who worked so hard to get equality for black people had in mind. So very sad that it has come to this and so many see their actions as acceptable.
What concerns me most is that I see the beginnings of this type of behavior in young people of all races today. They have a sense of entitlement, zero work ethic, a huge lack of respect, and no responsibility for their actions. On the same note, parents will stand up for this lack of responsibility in saying that little Johnny was wronged...bullied.....taken advantage of.....instead of busting little Johnny's butt and sending him outside to do some physical labor and work off his bad behavior. I see kids who are 10 years old that can't tell you what they want to be when they grow up. They sit inside, play video games until they are zombies, and play on their cell phones. They have access to anything on the internet and it's scary. We are creating these monsters, and until parents change and hold their kids accountable, teach them right and wrong, and make them work for the things they receive, we will continue to create a next generation that is headed toward what we are seeing in Ferguson right now.
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However, most won't listen to him. Most will still continue to blame the ships that sailed from Africa a few hundred years ago.
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Location: CA | Herbie - 2014-08-20 11:15 AM This group of people has absolutely no respect for themselves, for authority, for any other human (including their family), or any other thing. They have zero to lose if they get in trouble with the law, they have never had any structure in their life or any purpose. This group of people have no dreams, no goals, no aspirations, and no ethics. It is absolutely a cultural thing and not necessarily a color thing. I have many black friends who I love dearly and they too are appalled by this.
There will never be resolution here, and this officer is screwed no matter what. If they don't prosecute him, he will be killed anyway. it's a no win for him, i'm afraid. The arms of this type of hatred reach far and wide. This is absolutely not what racial equality is about. I want to make up a bunch of t-shirts with MLK's picture on it that say I HAD a dream, but this is a nightmare. This is absolutely not the goal any of the people who worked so hard to get equality for black people had in mind. So very sad that it has come to this and so many see their actions as acceptable.
What concerns me most is that I see the beginnings of this type of behavior in young people of all races today. They have a sense of entitlement, zero work ethic, a huge lack of respect, and no responsibility for their actions. On the same note, parents will stand up for this lack of responsibility in saying that little Johnny was wronged...bullied.....taken advantage of.....instead of busting little Johnny's butt and sending him outside to do some physical labor and work off his bad behavior. I see kids who are 10 years old that can't tell you what they want to be when they grow up. They sit inside, play video games until they are zombies, and play on their cell phones. They have access to anything on the internet and it's scary. We are creating these monsters, and until parents change and hold their kids accountable, teach them right and wrong, and make them work for the things they receive, we will continue to create a next generation that is headed toward what we are seeing in Ferguson right now.
True. How hard it was to make my kids build their own projects for school, while parents of the other kids were spending tons of money to build things for the class project. How hard it was to tell my kids, yes being honest will get you in trouble sometimes, and you have to pay the piper. But they did, worried it was the wrong thing to do. Now my kids are the youngest managers at their workplace because they know how to work, they know right from wrong and they are amazed at how clueless kids their age are about the simplest things. It is cool to have your kids say "thank you" for being so tough on me. They turned out to be awesome people. I am blessed. But I know many parents here are getting their kids perscriptions for pot, so if they get caught with it, they won't get in trouble. This is what they call parenting. It is messed up. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Herbie - 2014-08-20 11:15 AM This group of people has absolutely no respect for themselves, for authority, for any other human (including their family), or any other thing. They have zero to lose if they get in trouble with the law, they have never had any structure in their life or any purpose. This group of people have no dreams, no goals, no aspirations, and no ethics. It is absolutely a cultural thing and not necessarily a color thing. I have many black friends who I love dearly and they too are appalled by this.
There will never be resolution here, and this officer is screwed no matter what. If they don't prosecute him, he will be killed anyway. it's a no win for him, i'm afraid. The arms of this type of hatred reach far and wide. This is absolutely not what racial equality is about. I want to make up a bunch of t-shirts with MLK's picture on it that say I HAD a dream, but this is a nightmare. This is absolutely not the goal any of the people who worked so hard to get equality for black people had in mind. So very sad that it has come to this and so many see their actions as acceptable.
What concerns me most is that I see the beginnings of this type of behavior in young people of all races today. They have a sense of entitlement, zero work ethic, a huge lack of respect, and no responsibility for their actions. On the same note, parents will stand up for this lack of responsibility in saying that little Johnny was wronged...bullied.....taken advantage of.....instead of busting little Johnny's butt and sending him outside to do some physical labor and work off his bad behavior. I see kids who are 10 years old that can't tell you what they want to be when they grow up. They sit inside, play video games until they are zombies, and play on their cell phones. They have access to anything on the internet and it's scary. We are creating these monsters, and until parents change and hold their kids accountable, teach them right and wrong, and make them work for the things they receive, we will continue to create a next generation that is headed toward what we are seeing in Ferguson right now.
Amen to that. If I didn't know better, I would think you snooped on my FB posts from Friday evening. LOL I had one of those "parenting sucks eggs" days...it was worth the angst and embarrassment tho because my kid was scared poopless when we got done.   |
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Location: NE Texas | Well we need more like you, T4L and T Turning 3!!! I'm not a parent but am a step parent and i'm so thankful that we are all on the same page for the most part when it comes to disciplining the girls. And one of them is reeeeeeally gonna need alot of disciplining to get her to adulthood i'm afraid.
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Some need to clean up their own house before they start trying to clean up someone elses. Don't except some one else to clean it up for you.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Herbie - 2014-08-20 11:37 AM Well we need more like you, T4L and T Turning 3!!! I'm not a parent but am a step parent and i'm so thankful that we are all on the same page for the most part when it comes to disciplining the girls. And one of them is reeeeeeally gonna need alot of disciplining to get her to adulthood i'm afraid.
I may need to borrow that voodoo doll, T4L!
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Location: SE Missouri | Herbie - 2014-08-20 11:15 AM This group of people has absolutely no respect for themselves, for authority, for any other human (including their family), or any other thing. They have zero to lose if they get in trouble with the law, they have never had any structure in their life or any purpose. This group of people have no dreams, no goals, no aspirations, and no ethics. It is absolutely a cultural thing and not necessarily a color thing. I have many black friends who I love dearly and they too are appalled by this.
There will never be resolution here, and this officer is screwed no matter what. If they don't prosecute him, he will be killed anyway. it's a no win for him, i'm afraid. The arms of this type of hatred reach far and wide. This is absolutely not what racial equality is about. I want to make up a bunch of t-shirts with MLK's picture on it that say I HAD a dream, but this is a nightmare. This is absolutely not the goal any of the people who worked so hard to get equality for black people had in mind. So very sad that it has come to this and so many see their actions as acceptable.
What concerns me most is that I see the beginnings of this type of behavior in young people of all races today. They have a sense of entitlement, zero work ethic, a huge lack of respect, and no responsibility for their actions. On the same note, parents will stand up for this lack of responsibility in saying that little Johnny was wronged...bullied.....taken advantage of.....instead of busting little Johnny's butt and sending him outside to do some physical labor and work off his bad behavior. I see kids who are 10 years old that can't tell you what they want to be when they grow up. They sit inside, play video games until they are zombies, and play on their cell phones. They have access to anything on the internet and it's scary. We are creating these monsters, and until parents change and hold their kids accountable, teach them right and wrong, and make them work for the things they receive, we will continue to create a next generation that is headed toward what we are seeing in Ferguson right now.
This is a great post girl! We actually have been talking about this issue at church. We MUST raise the bar and start expecting the next generation to do the same. We have to tell them (like we were told) that they CAN do anything IF they work hard enough. Not one person in this country is stuck in their current environment if they don't want to. Yes, they will have to be focused. Yes they will probably have to do many chores/jobs that they feel are "beneath" them. Yes, they will have to raise the standard by which they conduct themselves. Yes, they will probably not get to hang out with other people that aren't focused on changing their environment. Yes, they will probably have people that may not treat them the way they "should" be treated. GET OVER IT, it happens to everyone regardless of race. Don't act stupid and you'll probably be just freaking fine. To say that race holds you back is just not the same as it used to be. Too many VERY successful people of every race throughout our country's history!! Dr Ben Carson, Condalezza Rice, Collin Powell, Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindall, Obama (for crying out loud)
I am completely appalled at the mindset of people my age and younger. It seems that each generation by wanting to give more to their children have created this insane entitlement mindset. I never thought my parents or ANYONE would support me, it was on me. We have to get back to that with the next generation.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | All I can say Is WOW, this guy has a powerfull way of getting to the point...Scott and everybody else needs to watch this Video. It gave me chills and I feel so proud that hes an american just like me and you. 
God bless you Johnathan
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Location: ND | black american culture at its finest.......we are getting to the point in our society where many are leaving these communities behind...... |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | It has now been confirmed that the police officer suffered an orbital blowout fracture of his eye socket during the scuffle with Michael Brown, gentle giant my a$$. I guess that explains why he had to shoot so many times, he couldn't see very well.
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| The common sense factor is what really riles me up... does anyone truly believe that officer woke up that morning and said "hey today i think ill kill a black man?" or when he responded to that incident, do you think he thought "hey, hes black, i think I should shoot him because no one will care." HONESTLY.... everyone knows the racial claims that are made, they are spread across the media constantly.
Does anyone truly believe this man was being a an upstanding citizen and this officer shot him for giggles?
Do they believe that a full investigation does not go forward regardless of color? EVERY time there is a weapon involved, a full investigation by ANOTHER agency is done.
Obviously this officer felt threatened and did what he needed to do... as I said in my previous post. Whenever our officers have had to use that kind of force... even on the biggest scum bag, it lives with them forever.
I am not a political person... therefore, Im not gonna respond to all those posts... but I just wish someone asked these questions to those rioting. If they truly believe those things after it being laid out to them, ive lost a lot of faith in the human race.
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| Barnmom - 2014-08-20 3:53 PM
It has now been confirmed that the police officer suffered an orbital blowout fracture of his eye socket during the scuffle with Michael Brown, gentle giant my a$$. I guess that explains why he had to shoot so many times, he couldn't see very well.
I just want to know where all these protesters and parents were when these kids first started going down the wrong path in life.
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Location: SE Louisiana | Barnmom - 2014-08-20 3:53 PM
It has now been confirmed that the police officer suffered an orbital blowout fracture of his eye socket during the scuffle with Michael Brown, gentle giant my a$$. I guess that explains why he had to shoot so many times, he couldn't see very well.
I just want to know where all these protesters and parents were when these kids first started going down the wrong path in life.
It is 'reported via unnamed sources'... Not confirmed yet.. tho I have no doubt it is true.. along with that also comes a report via the same sources that at least 12 witnesses give the same account as the cop. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | They let this go too far. I remember when they had the riots in Chicago in the late 1960's and when Mayor Daley finally said if you loot we shoot and all the BS ended.
Al Sharpton needs to be arrested for inciting a riot.
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Itsme - 2014-08-18 1:13 AM Both sides are jackasses, imagine being stopped by police all the time for little to no reason, im sure I would be doing more than looting.
Really...........why didn't they just move out of the street......like they were ask.......instead of having a attitude....that attitude was displayed in the store when he stole the cigars and shoved that store owner...........which is what got this boy killed the thug attitude.......... |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | NJJ - 2014-08-18 4:58 PM My thoughts are that the National Guard should have been called in after the first night of looting and stationed on the roof tops. They should have made it known....If you loot......WE SHOOT !!!!! I don't care what color you are......I feel bad for the honest hardworking shop owners that are taking the brunt of this fiasco.
Think of the cost of insurance now to start up a business in that area...........listening to talk radio many blacks consider the looting their justice................... |
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Location: SE Louisiana | CJE - 2014-08-20 7:15 PM
Itsme - 2014-08-18 1:13 AM Both sides are jackasses, imagine being stopped by police all the time for little to no reason, im sure I would be doing more than looting.
Really...........why didn't they just move out of the street......like they were ask.......instead of having a attitude....that attitude was displayed in the store when he stole the cigars and shoved that store owner...........which is what got this boy killed the thug attitude..........
Well if you stop and think about it.... This man had no way of knowing the cop didn't know about what he had just done in the store.. I saw somewhere he did still have the cigars in his hand... You have to wonder what was going through his head at the time.. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | komet. - 2014-08-19 5:09 AM I was looking at the autopsy report and had another thought... We know Brown's friend lied about the shot in the back.... Well he also said Brown had his hands in the air when the cop shot him... Yet he was shot 4 times in the right arm... Does anyone really think the cop was shooting at the arm raised in the air?
A friend of mine made a observation.........to the gunshot wounds to the arm was they were not kill shots but when he did not stop his charge the shots to the head were fired......... |
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Location: SE Louisiana | CJE - 2014-08-20 7:51 PM
komet. - 2014-08-19 5:09 AM I was looking at the autopsy report and had another thought... We know Brown's friend lied about the shot in the back.... Well he also said Brown had his hands in the air when the cop shot him... Yet he was shot 4 times in the right arm... Does anyone really think the cop was shooting at the arm raised in the air?
A friend of mine made a observation.........to the gunshot wounds to the arm was they were not kill shots but when he did not stop his charge the shots to the head were fired.........
Well... My observation was if he had his hands in the air as witnesses said... why was the cop shooting at raised arms.... Then the thought hit me that many of the shots to the arm went through into the body.... Hard to do if the arms were up.. The problem is both of the head shots came in from the top of the head.... So either he was charging head down at the cop... or the cop shot him twice when he was on the ground.. Trajectory on the one that went in the eye and came out and went into the collarbone could be damming..
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Location: oklahoma | komet. - 2014-08-20 7:40 PM CJE - 2014-08-20 7:15 PM Itsme - 2014-08-18 1:13 AM Both sides are jackasses, imagine being stopped by police all the time for little to no reason, im sure I would be doing more than looting. Really...........why didn't they just move out of the street......like they were ask.......instead of having a attitude....that attitude was displayed in the store when he stole the cigars and shoved that store owner...........which is what got this boy killed the thug attitude.......... Well if you stop and think about it.... This man had no way of knowing the cop didn't know about what he had just done in the store.. I saw somewhere he did still have the cigars in his hand... You have to wonder what was going through his head at the time..
He's a bully. Because of his size, he thought that he could strong arm anyone and get his way. That's why he pushed the clerk around and punched the officer. They should taser lock up the rioters and keep them till they work off bail money, from day one. They have a lot of cleaning to do in ferguson that they caused and innocents will have to clean up...they should be forced to do it. Pay to play so to speak. There's no consequences so why not tear up someone else's property. The business owners and employees aren't bringing home a check because of these thieves. Keep the people pissed off and angry and the mob mentality rules. Meanwhile, our American journalist is beheaded and our Pastor Saeed is threatened by ISIS and obummer can't be bothered to quit inciting hatred to save them. |
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| komet. - 2014-08-20 7:40 PM CJE - 2014-08-20 7:15 PM Itsme - 2014-08-18 1:13 AM Both sides are jackasses, imagine being stopped by police all the time for little to no reason, im sure I would be doing more than looting. Really...........why didn't they just move out of the street......like they were ask.......instead of having a attitude....that attitude was displayed in the store when he stole the cigars and shoved that store owner...........which is what got this boy killed the thug attitude.......... Well if you stop and think about it.... This man had no way of knowing the cop didn't know about what he had just done in the store.. I saw somewhere he did still have the cigars in his hand... You have to wonder what was going through his head at the time..
On a side note, bravo to the residents of Ferguson who volunteer each morning to clean up after the looters. A huge round of applause for booing and running Jesse Jackson out after the race baiting scumbag starting asking for donations when done with his speech.
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| dhdqhllc - 2014-08-20 4:50 PM black american culture at its finest.......we are getting to the point in our society where many are leaving these communities behind......
obama ophra even holder all could have taken a different path show black and white how HARD work and try can get you there especially ophra
and i don/t like anyof them but they could show them success by hard work
i love bill crobsy he has been saying this for yrs
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| CJE - 2014-08-20 7:51 PM komet. - 2014-08-19 5:09 AM I was looking at the autopsy report and had another thought... We know Brown's friend lied about the shot in the back.... Well he also said Brown had his hands in the air when the cop shot him... Yet he was shot 4 times in the right arm... Does anyone really think the cop was shooting at the arm raised in the air? A friend of mine made a observation.........to the gunshot wounds to the arm was they were not kill shots but when he did not stop his charge the shots to the head were fired.........
I've got a different theory on the arm shots.
The most common miss when shooting is low and to the left. It's commonly referred to as a "flinch" or "pull". It's caused by jerking the trigger when trying to shoot too fast or anticipating recoil. It's also very common over-pull when adreniline is flowing through your body under stress.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | CJE - 2014-08-20 7:20 PM NJJ - 2014-08-18 4:58 PM My thoughts are that the National Guard should have been called in after the first night of looting and stationed on the roof tops. They should have made it known....If you loot......WE SHOOT !!!!! I don't care what color you are......I feel bad for the honest hardworking shop owners that are taking the brunt of this fiasco. Think of the cost of insurance now to start up a business in that area...........listening to talk radio many blacks consider the looting their justice...................
Insurance doesn't cover damage done by riots. I doubt the business owners will see any money and is why some have said on TV that they are out of business. Sad. It's seems that in Obama's new world it's the innocent people that get hurt.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | TXBO - 2014-08-21 10:23 AM CJE - 2014-08-20 7:51 PM komet. - 2014-08-19 5:09 AM I was looking at the autopsy report and had another thought... We know Brown's friend lied about the shot in the back.... Well he also said Brown had his hands in the air when the cop shot him... Yet he was shot 4 times in the right arm... Does anyone really think the cop was shooting at the arm raised in the air? A friend of mine made a observation.........to the gunshot wounds to the arm was they were not kill shots but when he did not stop his charge the shots to the head were fired.........
The most common miss when shooting is low and to the left. It's commonly referred to as a "flinch" or "pull". It's caused by jerking the trigger when trying to shoot too fast or anticipating recoil. It's also very common over-pull when adreniline is flowing through your body under stress.
Seems like the officer wasn't aiming to kill..He was aiming to stop him which is evident that didn't work very well as they said the last shots were to the head. The officer also had to be disorientated by the hard blow to his eye. I guess all of this will come out in the trial. Once again the bad guy is the victim and the good guy is the bad guy in Obamaland. Holder hates cops and white people so he will charge him with something. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | TXBO - 2014-08-21 10:23 AM
CJE - 2014-08-20 7:51 PM komet. - 2014-08-19 5:09 AM I was looking at the autopsy report and had another thought... We know Brown's friend lied about the shot in the back.... Well he also said Brown had his hands in the air when the cop shot him... Yet he was shot 4 times in the right arm... Does anyone really think the cop was shooting at the arm raised in the air? A friend of mine made a observation.........to the gunshot wounds to the arm was they were not kill shots but when he did not stop his charge the shots to the head were fired.........
The most common miss when shooting is low and to the left. It's commonly referred to as a "flinch" or "pull". It's caused by jerking the trigger when trying to shoot too fast or anticipating recoil. It's also very common over-pull when adreniline is flowing through your body under stress.
I guess this depends on if you are shooting right or left handed... I pull low and to my right which would have put the rounds to HIS left side.. and I shoot right handed.. |
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| komet. - 2014-08-21 12:52 PM TXBO - 2014-08-21 10:23 AM CJE - 2014-08-20 7:51 PM komet. - 2014-08-19 5:09 AM I was looking at the autopsy report and had another thought... We know Brown's friend lied about the shot in the back.... Well he also said Brown had his hands in the air when the cop shot him... Yet he was shot 4 times in the right arm... Does anyone really think the cop was shooting at the arm raised in the air? A friend of mine made a observation.........to the gunshot wounds to the arm was they were not kill shots but when he did not stop his charge the shots to the head were fired.........
The most common miss when shooting is low and to the left. It's commonly referred to as a "flinch" or "pull". It's caused by jerking the trigger when trying to shoot too fast or anticipating recoil. It's also very common over-pull when adreniline is flowing through your body under stress. I guess this depends on if you are shooting right or left handed... I pull low and to my right which would have put the rounds to HIS left side.. and I shoot right handed..
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komet. - 2014-08-21 12:52 PM TXBO - 2014-08-21 10:23 AM CJE - 2014-08-20 7:51 PM komet. - 2014-08-19 5:09 AM I was looking at the autopsy report and had another thought... We know Brown's friend lied about the shot in the back.... Well he also said Brown had his hands in the air when the cop shot him... Yet he was shot 4 times in the right arm... Does anyone really think the cop was shooting at the arm raised in the air? A friend of mine made a observation.........to the gunshot wounds to the arm was they were not kill shots but when he did not stop his charge the shots to the head were fired.........
The most common miss when shooting is low and to the left. It's commonly referred to as a "flinch" or "pull". It's caused by jerking the trigger when trying to shoot too fast or anticipating recoil. It's also very common over-pull when adreniline is flowing through your body under stress. I guess this depends on if you are shooting right or left handed... I pull low and to my right which would have put the rounds to HIS left side.. and I shoot right handed..
Prolly because I don't have a right eye... so I take a left handed stance to aim with the left eye while still holding it in a double handed right handed hold... I know it sounds odd but that's the way I do best.. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | TXBO - 2014-08-21 1:15 PM
komet. - 2014-08-21 12:52 PM TXBO - 2014-08-21 10:23 AM CJE - 2014-08-20 7:51 PM komet. - 2014-08-19 5:09 AM I was looking at the autopsy report and had another thought... We know Brown's friend lied about the shot in the back.... Well he also said Brown had his hands in the air when the cop shot him... Yet he was shot 4 times in the right arm... Does anyone really think the cop was shooting at the arm raised in the air? A friend of mine made a observation.........to the gunshot wounds to the arm was they were not kill shots but when he did not stop his charge the shots to the head were fired.........
The most common miss when shooting is low and to the left. It's commonly referred to as a "flinch" or "pull". It's caused by jerking the trigger when trying to shoot too fast or anticipating recoil. It's also very common over-pull when adreniline is flowing through your body under stress. I guess this depends on if you are shooting right or left handed... I pull low and to my right which would have put the rounds to HIS left side.. and I shoot right handed..
I wonder if that has to with eye dominance. I'm right handed/left eye dominant, which is not fun shooting a rifle/shotgun bigger than a .22. I'm not aware of it affecting my handgun patterns, but I'm not really into that stuff. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-21 1:27 PM
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komet. - 2014-08-21 12:52 PM TXBO - 2014-08-21 10:23 AM CJE - 2014-08-20 7:51 PM komet. - 2014-08-19 5:09 AM I was looking at the autopsy report and had another thought... We know Brown's friend lied about the shot in the back.... Well he also said Brown had his hands in the air when the cop shot him... Yet he was shot 4 times in the right arm... Does anyone really think the cop was shooting at the arm raised in the air? A friend of mine made a observation.........to the gunshot wounds to the arm was they were not kill shots but when he did not stop his charge the shots to the head were fired.........
The most common miss when shooting is low and to the left. It's commonly referred to as a "flinch" or "pull". It's caused by jerking the trigger when trying to shoot too fast or anticipating recoil. It's also very common over-pull when adreniline is flowing through your body under stress. I guess this depends on if you are shooting right or left handed... I pull low and to my right which would have put the rounds to HIS left side.. and I shoot right handed..
I wonder if that has to with eye dominance. I'm right handed/left eye dominant, which is not fun shooting a rifle/shotgun bigger than a .22. I'm not aware of it affecting my handgun patterns, but I'm not really into that stuff.
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| komet. - 2014-08-21 1:26 PM TXBO - 2014-08-21 1:15 PM komet. - 2014-08-21 12:52 PM TXBO - 2014-08-21 10:23 AM CJE - 2014-08-20 7:51 PM komet. - 2014-08-19 5:09 AM I was looking at the autopsy report and had another thought... We know Brown's friend lied about the shot in the back.... Well he also said Brown had his hands in the air when the cop shot him... Yet he was shot 4 times in the right arm... Does anyone really think the cop was shooting at the arm raised in the air? A friend of mine made a observation.........to the gunshot wounds to the arm was they were not kill shots but when he did not stop his charge the shots to the head were fired.........
The most common miss when shooting is low and to the left. It's commonly referred to as a "flinch" or "pull". It's caused by jerking the trigger when trying to shoot too fast or anticipating recoil. It's also very common over-pull when adreniline is flowing through your body under stress.
I guess this depends on if you are shooting right or left handed... I pull low and to my right which would have put the rounds to HIS left side.. and I shoot right handed.. Prolly because I don't have a right eye... so I take a left handed stance to aim with the left eye while still holding it in a double handed right handed hold... I know it sounds odd but that's the way I do best..
LOL Komet. You are unique. That makes sense but that's a sight alignment issue.... much different from the common "flinch". |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-21 1:27 PM TXBO - 2014-08-21 1:15 PM komet. - 2014-08-21 12:52 PM TXBO - 2014-08-21 10:23 AM CJE - 2014-08-20 7:51 PM komet. - 2014-08-19 5:09 AM I was looking at the autopsy report and had another thought... We know Brown's friend lied about the shot in the back.... Well he also said Brown had his hands in the air when the cop shot him... Yet he was shot 4 times in the right arm... Does anyone really think the cop was shooting at the arm raised in the air? A friend of mine made a observation.........to the gunshot wounds to the arm was they were not kill shots but when he did not stop his charge the shots to the head were fired.........
The most common miss when shooting is low and to the left. It's commonly referred to as a "flinch" or "pull". It's caused by jerking the trigger when trying to shoot too fast or anticipating recoil. It's also very common over-pull when adreniline is flowing through your body under stress.
I guess this depends on if you are shooting right or left handed... I pull low and to my right which would have put the rounds to HIS left side.. and I shoot right handed.. I wonder if that has to with eye dominance. I'm right handed/left eye dominant, which is not fun shooting a rifle/shotgun bigger than a .22. I'm not aware of it affecting my handgun patterns, but I'm not really into that stuff.
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Location: Broxton, Ga | And as evidence comes forward a broke eye socket would certainly be a factor in aim and also reflex pertaining to Adrenaline.... |
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Location: Midwest | CJE - 2014-08-21 2:19 PM And as evidence comes forward a broke eye socket would certainly be a factor in aim and also reflex pertaining to Adrenaline....
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| CJE - 2014-08-21 2:19 PM And as evidence comes forward a broke eye socket would certainly be a factor in aim and also reflex pertaining to Adrenaline....
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komet. - 2014-08-21 1:26 PM TXBO - 2014-08-21 1:15 PM komet. - 2014-08-21 12:52 PM TXBO - 2014-08-21 10:23 AM CJE - 2014-08-20 7:51 PM komet. - 2014-08-19 5:09 AM I was looking at the autopsy report and had another thought... We know Brown's friend lied about the shot in the back.... Well he also said Brown had his hands in the air when the cop shot him... Yet he was shot 4 times in the right arm... Does anyone really think the cop was shooting at the arm raised in the air? A friend of mine made a observation.........to the gunshot wounds to the arm was they were not kill shots but when he did not stop his charge the shots to the head were fired.........
The most common miss when shooting is low and to the left. It's commonly referred to as a "flinch" or "pull". It's caused by jerking the trigger when trying to shoot too fast or anticipating recoil. It's also very common over-pull when adreniline is flowing through your body under stress.
I guess this depends on if you are shooting right or left handed... I pull low and to my right which would have put the rounds to HIS left side.. and I shoot right handed.. Prolly because I don't have a right eye... so I take a left handed stance to aim with the left eye while still holding it in a double handed right handed hold... I know it sounds odd but that's the way I do best..
I guess maybe I picture it wrong... I'm still holding it right handed... So if I pull the trigger instead of squeezing it the barrel comes to my right and downward... I must be all messed up.. |
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| komet. - 2014-08-21 2:24 PM I guess maybe I picture it wrong... I'm still holding it right handed... So if I pull the trigger instead of squeezing it the barrel comes to my right and downward... I must be all messed up..
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Location: Broxton, Ga | TXBO - 2014-08-20 3:22 PM CJE - 2014-08-21 2:19 PM And as evidence comes forward a broke eye socket would certainly be a factor in aim and also reflex pertaining to Adrenaline.... Any reports on which eye was injured?
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Now what do we think the Grand Jury will decide....you've got the governor coming out basically calling for justice as if the cop is guilty.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | If the policeman was black and the thug was white, what do you think would have happen then?
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Location: SE Louisiana | Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-21 3:41 PM
If the policeman was black and the thug was white, what do you think would have happen then?
The same thing if the cop was brought brought up on charges.. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | komet. - 2014-08-21 3:50 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-21 3:41 PM If the policeman was black and the thug was white, what do you think would have happen then? The same thing if the cop was brought brought up on charges..
But do you think all the riots and looting would have happen? |
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komet. - 2014-08-21 3:50 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-21 3:41 PM If the policeman was black and the thug was white, what do you think would have happen then? The same thing if the cop was brought brought up on charges..
Of Course not...Did you see rioting and looting in the streets when OJ got off??? |
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Location: SE Louisiana | CJE - 2014-08-21 3:39 PM
Now what do we think the Grand Jury will decide....you've got the governor coming out basically calling for justice as if the cop is guilty.
It depends on the conclusions drawn upon the bullet trajectories... I think they will bring back a No True Bill... But then the Feds will jump in and slam him with something just to quell the riots that are sure to happen.. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Tallarico - 2014-08-21 3:55 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-21 3:52 PM komet. - 2014-08-21 3:50 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-21 3:41 PM If the policeman was black and the thug was white, what do you think would have happen then? The same thing if the cop was brought brought up on charges.. Of Course not...Did you see rioting and looting in the streets when OJ got off???
I was just thinking with my fingers..if all this rioting and looting would have happen, if it was the other way around. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-21 4:15 PM
Tallarico - 2014-08-21 3:55 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-21 3:52 PM komet. - 2014-08-21 3:50 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-21 3:41 PM If the policeman was black and the thug was white, what do you think would have happen then? The same thing if the cop was brought brought up on charges.. Of Course not...Did you see rioting and looting in the streets when OJ got off???
I can't remember if white people ever behaved like that. (excluding the civil war) |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | komet. - 2014-08-21 4:21 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-21 4:15 PM Tallarico - 2014-08-21 3:55 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-21 3:52 PM komet. - 2014-08-21 3:50 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-21 3:41 PM If the policeman was black and the thug was white, what do you think would have happen then? The same thing if the cop was brought brought up on charges.. Of Course not...Did you see rioting and looting in the streets when OJ got off??? I can't remember if white people ever behaved like that. (excluding the civil war )
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Location: oklahoma | Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-21 4:27 PM
komet. - 2014-08-21 4:21 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-21 4:15 PM Tallarico - 2014-08-21 3:55 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-21 3:52 PM komet. - 2014-08-21 3:50 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-21 3:41 PM If the policeman was black and the thug was white, what do you think would have happen then? The same thing if the cop was brought brought up on charges.. Of Course not...Did you see rioting and looting in the streets when OJ got off??? I can't remember if white people ever behaved like that. (excluding the civil war )
This very thing just happened in Dallas. A blogger wrote, people in dallas went to work as usual although some showed up late as a sign of protest. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | CurlyQ - 2014-08-21 5:39 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-21 4:27 PM komet. - 2014-08-21 4:21 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-21 4:15 PM Tallarico - 2014-08-21 3:55 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-21 3:52 PM komet. - 2014-08-21 3:50 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-21 3:41 PM If the policeman was black and the thug was white, what do you think would have happen then? The same thing if the cop was brought brought up on charges.. Of Course not...Did you see rioting and looting in the streets when OJ got off??? I can't remember if white people ever behaved like that. (excluding the civil war ) This very thing just happened in Dallas. A blogger wrote, people in dallas went to work as usual although some showed up late as a sign of protest.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | TXBO - 2014-08-21 2:22 PM CJE - 2014-08-21 2:19 PM And as evidence comes forward a broke eye socket would certainly be a factor in aim and also reflex pertaining to Adrenaline.... Any reports on which eye was injured?
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Nevertooold - 2014-08-21 5:56 PM
TXBO - 2014-08-21 2:22 PM CJE - 2014-08-21 2:19 PM And as evidence comes forward a broke eye socket would certainly be a factor in aim and also reflex pertaining to Adrenaline.... Any reports on which eye was injured?
I see a fracture of the floor of his left orbit, with a lot of blood and edema around the eye. What are they reporting? |
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Nevertooold - 2014-08-21 5:56 PM
TXBO - 2014-08-21 2:22 PM CJE - 2014-08-21 2:19 PM And as evidence comes forward a broke eye socket would certainly be a factor in aim and also reflex pertaining to Adrenaline.... Any reports on which eye was injured?
I see a fracture of the floor of his left orbit, with a lot of blood and edema around the eye. What are they reporting?
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| You people still want to tell me 5 armed guys in that store couldnt accomplish anything?
Then 5 in the next store then the next...
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Location: Opelousas, LA | HotbearLVR - 2014-08-21 9:10 PM Nevertooold - 2014-08-21 5:56 PM TXBO - 2014-08-21 2:22 PM CJE - 2014-08-21 2:19 PM And as evidence comes forward a broke eye socket would certainly be a factor in aim and also reflex pertaining to Adrenaline.... Any reports on which eye was injured? I see a fracture of the floor of his left orbit, with a lot of blood and edema around the eye. What are they reporting?
They are reporting that a white cop shot an unarmed black kid in cold blood and thats all you need to know. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | HotbearLVR - 2014-08-21 9:10 PM
Nevertooold - 2014-08-21 5:56 PM
TXBO - 2014-08-21 2:22 PM CJE - 2014-08-21 2:19 PM And as evidence comes forward a broke eye socket would certainly be a factor in aim and also reflex pertaining to Adrenaline.... Any reports on which eye was injured?
I see a fracture of the floor of his left orbit, with a lot of blood and edema around the eye. What are they reporting?
I see an X-ray... is there a name attached?? |
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Location: Here | komet. - 2014-08-21 9:40 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-08-21 9:10 PM Nevertooold - 2014-08-21 5:56 PM TXBO - 2014-08-21 2:22 PM CJE - 2014-08-21 2:19 PM And as evidence comes forward a broke eye socket would certainly be a factor in aim and also reflex pertaining to Adrenaline.... Any reports on which eye was injured? I see a fracture of the floor of his left orbit, with a lot of blood and edema around the eye. What are they reporting? I see an X-ray... is there a name attached??
 It has been reported to be that of the officer |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Itsme - 2014-08-21 9:23 PM
HotbearLVR - 2014-08-21 9:10 PM
Nevertooold - 2014-08-21 5:56 PM
TXBO - 2014-08-21 2:22 PM CJE - 2014-08-21 2:19 PM And as evidence comes forward a broke eye socket would certainly be a factor in aim and also reflex pertaining to Adrenaline.... Any reports on which eye was injured?
I see a fracture of the floor of his left orbit, with a lot of blood and edema around the eye. What are they reporting?
The left or the right?
It's the left |
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Location: SE Louisiana | SG. - 2014-08-21 9:47 PM
komet. - 2014-08-21 9:40 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-08-21 9:10 PM Nevertooold - 2014-08-21 5:56 PM TXBO - 2014-08-21 2:22 PM CJE - 2014-08-21 2:19 PM And as evidence comes forward a broke eye socket would certainly be a factor in aim and also reflex pertaining to Adrenaline.... Any reports on which eye was injured? I see a fracture of the floor of his left orbit, with a lot of blood and edema around the eye. What are they reporting? I see an X-ray... is there a name attached?? It has been reported to be that of the officer
Key word... "reported"... I feel for this man... Don't get me wrong.. But someone is talking out of turn... and I'm not sure it is in his best interest... |
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Location: Here | komet. - 2014-08-21 9:50 PM SG. - 2014-08-21 9:47 PM komet. - 2014-08-21 9:40 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-08-21 9:10 PM Nevertooold - 2014-08-21 5:56 PM TXBO - 2014-08-21 2:22 PM CJE - 2014-08-21 2:19 PM And as evidence comes forward a broke eye socket would certainly be a factor in aim and also reflex pertaining to Adrenaline.... Any reports on which eye was injured? I see a fracture of the floor of his left orbit, with a lot of blood and edema around the eye. What are they reporting? I see an X-ray... is there a name attached?? It has been reported to be that of the officer Key word... "reported"... I feel for this man... Don't get me wrong.. But someone is talking out of turn... and I'm not sure it is in his best interest...
well i am sure it was from more reliable resources than the ones at mcdonalds.
I truly hate this for this man, I hate this for Ferguson. I really hate it for the store owners in that area.
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Location: Kansas | Al Sharpton is going to do the eulogy at Brown's funeral. Just when you think things couldn't get any stupider.
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Location: Arkansas | Frodo - 2014-08-22 8:40 AM Al Sharpton is going to do the eulogy at Brown's funeral. Just when you think things couldn't get any stupider.
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Location: oklahoma | I don't know if we're going to find out the truth until the trial. Heard yesterday that the officer didn't suffer an orbital fracture and dorian, the eye witness, is a convicted liar and thief. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | All of the above speculation is why evidence shouldn't be brought out until the trial. In our once civilized world that is how it worked. In Obamaland, our civilized world has been turned upside down. Very sad.
How does one person that is protesting get arrested 3 times without consequences? I was wondering if the looters were going to move on to Napa, California since they have a lot better stuff to loot.
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Suspended St. Louis Police Officer: "I'm Into Diversity, I Kill Everybody"
Officer Suspended for Pointing Gun at Ferguson Protester
? Officer Suspended for Pointing Gun at Ferguson Protester
“I personally believe in Jesus Christ as my lord and savior, but I’m also a killer,” said officer Dan Page, a 35-year veteran, in the video. “I’ve killed a lot. And if I need to, I’ll kill a whole bunch more. If you don’t want to get killed, don’t show up in front of me. I have no problems with it. God did not raise me to be a coward." Page added, “I’m into diversity — I kill everybody. I don’t care."
St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said Page has been suspended, pending a review by the internal affairs unit, which will begin Monday. The video was brought to Belmar’s attention by CNN's Don Lemon.
“With the comments on killing, that was obviously something that deeply disturbed me immediately,” Belmar told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.
The comments, which were made before members of the Christian organization, the Oath Keepers, also included his story of going to Kenya in search of "undocumented president," Barack Obama. “I flew to Africa, right there, and I went to our undocumented president’s home,” Page said, holding a picture of him in Kenya. “He was born in Kenya.”
Page has been ordered to take a psychiatric exam, according to Belmar, who issued a public apology for Page's remarks. “He does not represent the rank-and-file of [the] St. Louis County Police Department,” Belmar told CNN in a Friday on-air interview. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Research has confirmed this story.... Should be interesting to find out how he slipped through the cracks.. |
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Location: Midwest | So some random thoughts,
One crazy police officer (dude above talking about killing on camera....duh) does not mean all police officers are nuts.
I feel for the town of Ferguson. I really don't understand the thinking of "sticking it to the man" by looting out the town's privately owned businesses... They are stealing from their own neighbors! How does that "stick it" to the police????
This whole thing really reminds me of April 29, 1992 (Miami) by Sublime. The song sort of explains the mixed mentality of the looting which varies between personal greed and the mentality of the people that they are "standing up" to police and calling one out for murder (as in the Rodney King case, the riots started AFTER the jury aquitted the officers). In the song, the situation mentions the fact that it wasn't perhaps about King alone, but the culture of a people who feel they are living under an oppressive police force (which makes sense, because while I like some Sublime songs, they were totes criminals who had previously spent time in jail for dealing drugs among other things... all of which are detailed in their music LOL).
It also lists a number of criminal acts perpetuated by the various band members, and contains real samples of LAPD police radio communications. Plus it goes through a long list of cities where rioting occured. |
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| Im not anti LEO and im not pro-looters, but the problem goes WAYYY deeper than this Michael Brown BS.
Imagine if they had a stop and frisk law in the midwest like they had in NY, white people wouldnt put up with that and would be at war with LEOs way sooner than the blacks. If you dont know about this constitution trampling law look it up.... |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Itsme - 2014-08-25 1:04 PM
Im not anti LEO and im not pro-looters, but the problem goes WAYYY deeper than this Michael Brown BS.
Imagine if they had a stop and frisk law in the midwest like they had in NY, white people wouldnt put up with that and would be at war with LEOs way sooner than the blacks. If you dont know about this constitution trampling law look it up....
They don't have "Stop and Frisk" in affluent white neighborhoods where there is no crime... Because...(GASP) Crime is not a problem in those areas....... Certainly not on the scale that you find it in Harlem and Watts and other ghettos around the country.. I have a real problem with people that are prepared to use the US Constitution as a license to commit crimes. (Just like our federal government does) |
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| komet. - 2014-08-25 6:57 PM
Itsme - 2014-08-25 1:04 PM
Im not anti LEO and im not pro-looters, but the problem goes WAYYY deeper than this Michael Brown BS.
Imagine if they had a stop and frisk law in the midwest like they had in NY, white people wouldnt put up with that and would be at war with LEOs way sooner than the blacks. If you dont know about this constitution trampling law look it up....
They don't have "Stop and Frisk" in affluent white neighborhoods where there is no crime... Because... (GASP ) Crime is not a problem in those areas....... Certainly not on the scale that you find it in Harlem and Watts and other ghettos around the country.. I have a real problem with people that are prepared to use the US Constitution as a license to commit crimes. (Just like our federal government does )
Catch them the good'ol fashioned way, hard work, not by making up some new BS laws.
We make hundreds of laws every year to prevent people from breaking current laws...What a joke. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Itsme - 2014-08-25 7:48 PM
komet. - 2014-08-25 6:57 PM
Itsme - 2014-08-25 1:04 PM
Im not anti LEO and im not pro-looters, but the problem goes WAYYY deeper than this Michael Brown BS.
Imagine if they had a stop and frisk law in the midwest like they had in NY, white people wouldnt put up with that and would be at war with LEOs way sooner than the blacks. If you dont know about this constitution trampling law look it up....
They don't have "Stop and Frisk" in affluent white neighborhoods where there is no crime... Because... (GASP ) Crime is not a problem in those areas....... Certainly not on the scale that you find it in Harlem and Watts and other ghettos around the country.. I have a real problem with people that are prepared to use the US Constitution as a license to commit crimes. (Just like our federal government does )
Catch them the good'ol fashioned way, hard work, not by making up some new BS laws.
We make hundreds of laws every year to prevent people from breaking current laws...What a joke.
Maybe we should go back to the old fashioned way..... when they just beat the crap out of them or shot them first and asked questions later.. Is that what you want? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | So let me get this straight. Margaret Thatcher may be the greatest British Prime Minister in history, and was a staunch ally of the US. When she died, the Obama adminstration didn't send anyone. Is this correct? Yet they sent 3 people to this man's funeral?
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Location: SE Louisiana | HotbearLVR - 2014-08-25 8:56 PM
So let me get this straight. Margaret Thatcher may be the greatest British Prime Minister in history, and was a staunch ally of the US. When she died, the Obama adminstration didn't send anyone. Is this correct? Yet they sent 3 people to this man's funeral?
Is this actually true?
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | komet. - 2014-08-25 9:12 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-08-25 8:56 PM So let me get this straight. Margaret Thatcher may be the greatest British Prime Minister in history, and was a staunch ally of the US. When she died, the Obama adminstration didn't send anyone. Is this correct? Yet they sent 3 people to this man's funeral?
Is this actually true? Lets not turn this into another Obozo hate thread.... We all agree he is a bad man....
I'm just asking whether or not it's true. I can't even imagine. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | HotbearLVR - 2014-08-25 9:21 PM
komet. - 2014-08-25 9:12 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-08-25 8:56 PM So let me get this straight. Margaret Thatcher may be the greatest British Prime Minister in history, and was a staunch ally of the US. When she died, the Obama adminstration didn't send anyone. Is this correct? Yet they sent 3 people to this man's funeral?
Is this actually true? Lets not turn this into another Obozo hate thread.... We all agree he is a bad man....
You can read the news just as well as everyone else.. You know it's true.. To Thatcher was sent former secretaries of State George Schultz and James Baker III -- as well as the charge d'affaires to the U.K. and the former U.S. ambassador.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | komet. - 2014-08-25 9:28 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-08-25 9:21 PM komet. - 2014-08-25 9:12 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-08-25 8:56 PM So let me get this straight. Margaret Thatcher may be the greatest British Prime Minister in history, and was a staunch ally of the US. When she died, the Obama adminstration didn't send anyone. Is this correct? Yet they sent 3 people to this man's funeral?
Is this actually true? Lets not turn this into another Obozo hate thread.... We all agree he is a bad man.... You can read the news just as well as everyone else.. You know it's true.. To Thatcher was sent former secretaries of State George Schultz and James Baker III -- as well as the charge d'affaires to the U.K. and the former U.S. ambassador.
So, I guess it's not true then, huh? I just think it sounded odd that people from this administration were sent to this man's funeral, yet nobody from this administration attended Thatcher's funeral. This was a great woman.....one of the greatest female leaders in modern history, if not THE greatest. I would have expected at least the VP or Secretary of State would have attended. By the looks of things, the Obamunists felt his death was more important, in the grand scheme of things. |
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“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
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”Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.”
”He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.”
”He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.”
”People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.”
”If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both.”
”Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”
”He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither.”
”Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither.”
”Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security.”
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | It really comes down to how people think they want to live...a jungle or a zoo?
In the zoo the animals all get fed no matter what, sure...they're not really 'free', they are contained to an area & can't live a natural existance...but, they don't have to worry about it either. This is what most Americans think they want. This is whats at stake. Freedom to fail. To die because you didn't put any effort into your own survival. Blame it on the zoo keepers. Who, exactly, are they? Why do we continue to fund this madness?
Me? Hmmm...I'll take the jungle.
This entire issue is just a symptom of 'fighting the fence'. Trying to get the heck out of the grasp of the zoo keepers. It's time we supported independence & freedom while realizing that those things have a cost (hard work) and success is not guaranteed.
Don't be afraid of the jungle...it's where we find everything that has meaning.
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Location: SE Louisiana | HotbearLVR - 2014-08-25 10:07 PM
komet. - 2014-08-25 9:28 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-08-25 9:21 PM komet. - 2014-08-25 9:12 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-08-25 8:56 PM So let me get this straight. Margaret Thatcher may be the greatest British Prime Minister in history, and was a staunch ally of the US. When she died, the Obama adminstration didn't send anyone. Is this correct? Yet they sent 3 people to this man's funeral?
Is this actually true? Lets not turn this into another Obozo hate thread.... We all agree he is a bad man.... You can read the news just as well as everyone else.. You know it's true.. To Thatcher was sent former secretaries of State George Schultz and James Baker III -- as well as the charge d'affaires to the U.K. and the former U.S. ambassador.
Oh No.. It's quite true... For Monday's funeral, the White House sent two officials with the White House Office of Public Engagement as well as Broderick Johnson, chairman of the My Brother's Keeper Task Force.
However, No White House officials were part of the presidential delegation sent to Thatcher's funeral. The Brits felt snubbed by this and I have to sympathize with them... She Was, as you say, a great lady, a great leader and a great friend to our country...
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Location: North Dakota | I don't care who's fault it is, the behavior of the people of Ferguson is DISGUSTING. There is NO EXCUSE to go looting innocent businesses, mobbing, setting fires, and whatever the heck else they're doing. I know not everyone is involved, there are a lot of innocent citizens being terrorized by these worthless, shameful thugs. I can almost guarantee this will be another Trayvon Martin case, where the little punk was being a threat and deserved what they had coming. But the media and idiot liberals will side with them ONLY because they're black. If they were white nobody would hear a thing. That is not equality, that is racism.
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THAT is how I was raised. That we are all Americans...and that is the only distinction that I should pay attention to and take pride in. I held firm to that belief and treated all decent people the same and felt comfortable as a young white girl in a nearly all black school when I moved to Texas in the 4th grade. They were not white or black..they were my friends.
As I've grown older I have become more and more jaded and cynical. Hearing more and more hate from the black community. I wasn't raised around any white racists. But I have darn sure experienced more and more "minorities" that are openly racist twards whites. It makes me sick.
I don't know if "Black" or "White" are the accepted terms...maybe I'm supposed to say caucasian or African American...but to me there is no such thing as an "African American"...you are either African...OR you are American. Let's just stick with American. The rest shouldn't matter. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | HotbearLVR - 2014-08-26 5:19 AM
That was excellent! I hope people watched it. What he said was 100% true.
Sorry... For those that don't have Facebork.... this is the same thing on Youtube.
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Location: SE Louisiana | Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-21 3:41 PM
If the policeman was black and the thug was white, what do you think would have happen then?
To answer your question.. No.... about the same time as the Ferguson shooting, an unarmed 20 year old white man (Dillon Taylor) was shot and killed in SLC.... a white/Hispanic shot by???? Well, they won't call him black, they just say the cop is not white. The cop also had a body camera. The cops there are being even tighter than the cops in Ferguson with the information... There have been some protests but no riots.
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Location: North Texas | Ya'll are correct! Morgan Freeman absolutely NAILED IT in this video clip.
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komet don/t know how you find those but spot on. bill crosby been saaying the same for yrs
every word is so true but them people like al sharton and other rabble rousers would be out of the lime light but that so called bapbist church in ks is just has bad
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I agree, Morgan did a good job on saying how we should not be bringing up a persons skin color. We are all humans |
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Location: North Dakota | All of this is nothing compared to what isis will do when they walk across our boarder to kill Americans! Lets see if our government will wake up and build a real border before we are nuked!!!!!! |
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Location: SE Louisiana | vjls - 2014-08-30 9:24 AM
komet don/t know how you find those but spot on. bill crosby been saaying the same for yrs every word is so true but them people like al sharton and other rabble rousers would be out of the lime light but that so called bapbist church in ks is just has bad was a reporter looking in to his juvenile records?
Oh I'm a treasure trove of useless trivia... But that just happened to come across my Facebork page while this thread was happening.... and I was a big fan of his even before I watched him drop back 50 years in vernacular and do a perfect chauffeur in Driving Miss Daisy. |
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Location: oklahoma | angelica - 2014-08-30 11:39 AM
All of this is nothing compared to what isis will do when they walk across our boarder to kill Americans! Lets see if our government will wake up and build a real border before we are nuked!!!!!!
I'd venture a guess that they're already here. The 2 Americans killed last week fighting for them in Syria, lived in Minneapolis. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | We can all breathe easy now that the UN has condemned the police brutality in the USA. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | HotbearLVR - 2014-08-31 12:07 PM
We can all breathe easy now that the UN has condemned the police brutality in the USA.
Someone needs to...There is an awful lot of it going on.. Here is another story I bet you never heard about... Back in March a 22 year old black man arrested for about 2 joints of pot the police found in a pat-down search. Hands cuffed behind his back the police claim he produced a semi-auto handgun while he sat in the cop car and killed himself... Cops claim he shot himself in the back but the coroner says the bullet entered his right chest and exited under his left armpit...and he was left handed.. Yeah.. sounds legit... Victor White re/Iberia Parish |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | komet. - 2014-08-31 8:43 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-08-31 12:07 PM We can all breathe easy now that the UN has condemned the police brutality in the USA. Someone needs to...There is an awful lot of it going on.. Here is another story I bet you never heard about... Back in March a 22 year old black man arrested for about 2 joints of pot the police found in a pat-down search. Hands cuffed behind his back the police claim he produced a semi-auto handgun while he sat in the cop car and killed himself... Cops claim he shot himself in the back but the coroner says the bullet entered his right chest and exited under his left armpit...and he was left handed.. Yeah.. sounds legit... Victor White re/Iberia Parish
That wasn't my point. It's none of their business. They need to focus on bigger things. Because they are worthless, they want to feel good by sticking their nose in a domestic affair. |
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Location: oklahoma | There was an Australian kid killed by 3 young blacks last year , 20 miles from my home in Duncan Oklahoma, because they were bored. No rioting, looting, president sent no one to investigate or attend this kids funeral, who wax out jogging. We can keep adding cases but the truth is, 'minorities' have more rights than us Caucasians. Everyone feels sorry for them and that does no one favors, ever, at anytime. Entitlement...... They feel entitled to get off or get out of a situation because we feel sorry for them. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | HotbearLVR - 2014-08-31 8:50 PM
komet. - 2014-08-31 8:43 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-08-31 12:07 PM We can all breathe easy now that the UN has condemned the police brutality in the USA. Someone needs to...There is an awful lot of it going on.. Here is another story I bet you never heard about... Back in March a 22 year old black man arrested for about 2 joints of pot the police found in a pat-down search. Hands cuffed behind his back the police claim he produced a semi-auto handgun while he sat in the cop car and killed himself... Cops claim he shot himself in the back but the coroner says the bullet entered his right chest and exited under his left armpit...and he was left handed.. Yeah.. sounds legit... Victor White re/Iberia Parish
...and my point is SOMEONE needs address the problem because OUR government doesn't seem to care.. Murder is supposed to be a felony no mater WHO does it. Is not everything that happens in the world somebodies domestic affair? |
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