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| I don't know many people here and I have asked a couple people. They said no problems so far with the their horses but cows and calves are always being killed.
We have been bringing them up at night into the barn yard but I'm not sure how cocky the wolves are. I do have a mini donkey but I'm sure she would be useless. I plan to find a big one at some point as additional security. |
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Location: Oklahoma | My wolf keeps all the other mongrals off our property. We used to have a horible bobcat and coyote issue. Thats the BEST investment ever. I bought him when we was 2months old. He was fairly wild when we got him, had never been handled. We raised him in the house with the other dogs and crate trained him. They aren't like normal dogs, you def have to be the 'pack leader' from early on with them, but they are the most friendly loyal things. Ours was raised around the horses and cows, and just like with our healers we taught him not to chase them and such. He will howl at night every now and then, but hes always on the move and keeps everything else out of his territory. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | It's pretty simple... Wolf eats horse... Horse cannot outrun Wolf.... One on one horse kills wolf.. More than one wolf equals a dead horse.. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Bears and wolves will eat horse meat. Get a great pyrenese or Kuvas they tend to run off preditors and just as large as a wolf. Keep your horses close at night. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | You can trap them. Check with the DNR. People I know trap them and that keeps the numbers down. The most vulnerable tend to be calves and smaller animals. I think mules will fend them off as well. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Itsme - 2014-08-22 10:46 PM buy .22 cal rifle, shoot any and all wolves in the guts.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Severy - 2014-08-21 12:21 PM I don't know many people here and I have asked a couple people. They said no problems so far with the their horses but cows and calves are always being killed. We have been bringing them up at night into the barn yard but I'm not sure how cocky the wolves are. I do have a mini donkey but I'm sure she would be useless. I plan to find a big one at some point as additional security.
Now I would be worried about the mini donkey, with it being so small I would think that's what the wolfs would target first, if you were going to have problems with them. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-22 10:56 PM
Itsme - 2014-08-22 10:46 PM buy .22 cal rifle, shoot any and all wolves in the guts.
So they hole up hopefully off your property to die, then you dont have to bury them or worry about the legality of it. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-22 10:56 PM
Itsme - 2014-08-22 10:46 PM buy .22 cal rifle, shoot any and all wolves in the guts.
Because they die slowly and in much pain.. Just like a human does.... You know what?? People like this really make me mad..... God put the wolf here for a reason...
Before we came along... the Wolf culled out the old and sick and weak and stupid so they would not propagate.. Then WE show up... We kill off nature's culling device and WE kill the trophys... The biggest most powerful bulls and bucks and rams... leaving the weak males to cover the females... Then we blame the wolves for killing off the best... PFttt!!!!
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Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-22 10:56 PM
Itsme - 2014-08-22 10:46 PM buy .22 cal rifle, shoot any and all wolves in the guts.
Because they die slowly and in much pain.. Just like a human does.... You know what?? People like this really make me mad..... God put the wolf here for a reason...
Before we came along... the Wolf culled out the old and sick and weak and stupid so they would not propagate.. Then WE show up... We kill off nature's culling device and WE kill the trophys... The biggest most powerful bulls and bucks and rams... leaving the weak males to cover the females... Then we blame the wolves for killing off the best... PFttt!!!!
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Location: SE Louisiana | Itsme - 2014-08-23 12:34 AM
komet. - 2014-08-23 12:23 AM
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Itsme - 2014-08-22 10:46 PM buy .22 cal rifle, shoot any and all wolves in the guts.
Because they die slowly and in much pain.. Just like a human does.... You know what?? People like this really make me mad..... God put the wolf here for a reason...
Before we came along... the Wolf culled out the old and sick and weak and stupid so they would not propagate.. Then WE show up... We kill off nature's culling device and WE kill the trophys... The biggest most powerful bulls and bucks and rams... leaving the weak males to cover the females... Then we blame the wolves for killing off the best... PFttt!!!!
Do you live in wolf country?
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Location: SE Louisiana | komet. - 2014-08-23 12:35 AM
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Itsme - 2014-08-22 10:46 PM buy .22 cal rifle, shoot any and all wolves in the guts.
Because they die slowly and in much pain.. Just like a human does.... You know what?? People like this really make me mad..... God put the wolf here for a reason...
Before we came along... the Wolf culled out the old and sick and weak and stupid so they would not propagate.. Then WE show up... We kill off nature's culling device and WE kill the trophys... The biggest most powerful bulls and bucks and rams... leaving the weak males to cover the females... Then we blame the wolves for killing off the best... PFttt!!!!
Do you live in wolf country?
I have in the past... I lived a long time in Idaho..
WHAT??? Nothing to say?? In case you are wondering... I lived there through the reintegration of wolves in the Sawtooth Range and Yellowstone area.. I heard all the sniveling from the sheep farmers and cattle farmers... Well... sheep and cows fall under the heading of Stupid... those are plains animals and are best raised there.. Most hated were the RICH hunters that don't seem to understand they have killed off the best males.. leaving only the weak males to breed the females... We would not do that with horses!!! Why do you think it will work with deer and elk and Moose??? Just how stupid are you??!?? |
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Location: SE Louisiana | All you wolf haters out there... I have a question for you... Just where do you think your domesticated dog came from?? Hrmmm??? |
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Location: Sebeka, MN | We live in MN, wolf country. They have never bothered our horses, but cows are another matter. They have started eating two of our cows while they were still alive. Made me sick. And as gas as them eating only the sick and weak, that's a joke, too. They like entertainment, so chasing animals until they die is fun for them. They will kill a deer, eat one or two internal organs and leave the rest. |
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Location: Sebeka, MN | And they love to grab small pets, too, and will come up in the yard and get your dog. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | betsykuschel - 2014-08-23 6:05 AM
We live in MN, wolf country. They have never bothered our horses, but cows are another matter. They have started eating two of our cows while they were still alive. Made me sick. And as gas as them eating only the sick and weak, that's a joke, too. They like entertainment, so chasing animals until they die is fun for them. They will kill a deer, eat one or two internal organs and leave the rest.
Oh you are full of crap!!! They don't hunt for fun... They hunt to eat... They will NOT run down a deer for a snack!!! Do you have any idea how many miles they have to go to run a deer to death?? |
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All you wolf haters out there... I have a question for you... Just where do you think your domesticated dog came from?? Hrmmm???
Ill shoot a domesticated dog eating fawns too... |
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Location: South of Canada and North of Mexico | komet. - 2014-08-23 6:14 AM
betsykuschel - 2014-08-23 6:05 AM
We live in MN, wolf country. They have never bothered our horses, but cows are another matter. They have started eating two of our cows while they were still alive. Made me sick. And as gas as them eating only the sick and weak, that's a joke, too. They like entertainment, so chasing animals until they die is fun for them. They will kill a deer, eat one or two internal organs and leave the rest.
Oh you are full of crap!!! They don't hunt for fun... They hunt to eat... They will NOT run down a deer for a snack!!! Do you have any idea how many miles they have to go to run a deer to death??
You're pretty much out of the loop then if you think wolves don't kill for fun! Plenty of youtube videos that will show this off as well.... |
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We live in MN, wolf country. They have never bothered our horses, but cows are another matter. They have started eating two of our cows while they were still alive. Made me sick. And as gas as them eating only the sick and weak, that's a joke, too. They like entertainment, so chasing animals until they die is fun for them. They will kill a deer, eat one or two internal organs and leave the rest.
Oh you are full of crap!!! They don't hunt for fun... They hunt to eat... They will NOT run down a deer for a snack!!! Do you have any idea how many miles they have to go to run a deer to death?? You're pretty much out of the loop then if you think wolves don't kill for fun! Plenty of youtube videos that will show this off as well....
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| To the OP, a good friend of mine deals with wolves regularly.... They stalk HER and her horses around the property. She has started to bring her horses in at night, and has found the wolves waiting 10 feet outside her barn door at dawn. Warning shots seemed to work for a while.... She got a mini donkey, and that didn't seem to deter them.... I would think a mini would be the most vulnerable. Never hurts to lock them up at night, if anything. Good luck! I still stick With the the three S's.
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Another good friend of mine had her full sized horse brutally killed by a wolf... Yes the horse was old, and not as strong. So she fit into the "cull" as some would call it... But she was a horse who should have had more years, and shouldn't have gone that way... Yes it is nature, and wolves will never change... However, I will do anything I need to in order to keep them away from my old horse, pasture pal, mini, etc... I will say again they are NASTY they will eat an animal from the A$$ up.... Or as Betsy said, eat only a few organs and leave it to die...
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Itsme - 2014-08-23 12:02 AM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-22 10:56 PM Itsme - 2014-08-22 10:46 PM buy .22 cal rifle, shoot any and all wolves in the guts. So they hole up hopefully off your property to die, then you dont have to bury them or worry about the legality of it.
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| Thank you everyone for the help. Sorry to be getting back so late but I was away. I was hoping I was being over concerned but it appears not.
If we see them on the property we do plan to kill them but of course I worry about it at night. We are renovating the barns on this place and as of yet I'm unable to stall them all at night. Hopefully within the month this won't be a worry anymore.
I had thought of one of those outdoor protective dogs but I would feel bad leaving them outside at night, especially in the winter. I know they like it outside but I know I'd be dragging it inside anyway.
I'm scared of wolves which also adds to the stress.
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | betsykuschel - 2014-08-23 6:05 AM
We live in MN, wolf country. They have never bothered our horses, but cows are another matter. They have started eating two of our cows while they were still alive. Made me sick. And as gas as them eating only the sick and weak, that's a joke, too. They like entertainment, so chasing animals until they die is fun for them. They will kill a deer, eat one or two internal organs and leave the rest.
That's very true....it's known that wolves are one of the only animal predators that WILL hunt for sport. I think there is only 2, not counting humans.
I don't live in wolf country but I do know this. I had a friend that did and she bred a daughter of Ronas Ryon to the sire of Dynas Plain Special the year he died. She got a beautiful stud colt and had full intentions of leaving him a stud. Turned down big money for him as a weanling. One morning she went out to feed and she found the parts of him they didn't like...
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Location: SE Louisiana | watchpeppydoc - 2014-08-23 8:42 AM
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We live in MN, wolf country. They have never bothered our horses, but cows are another matter. They have started eating two of our cows while they were still alive. Made me sick. And as gas as them eating only the sick and weak, that's a joke, too. They like entertainment, so chasing animals until they die is fun for them. They will kill a deer, eat one or two internal organs and leave the rest.
Oh you are full of crap!!! They don't hunt for fun... They hunt to eat... They will NOT run down a deer for a snack!!! Do you have any idea how many miles they have to go to run a deer to death?? You're pretty much out of the loop then if you think wolves don't kill for fun! Plenty of youtube videos that will show this off as well....
Sometimes the way they go about it is to attack to injure, make the quarry bleed... lie down and wait. Once the quarry is totally helpless... they eat. They are smart enough to wait for a cow like hers to weaken or die to avoid getting hurt themselves. A wolf can only eat about 20 max anyway before it has to rest and digest. They kill to eat and have no compunction about starting the meal before the animal is dead if it does not pose a threat. They are not evil, they are just wolves. If they happen across prey that looks like an easy kill they will kill it as the next meal they know they will need. Humans arriving on the scene at any point will drive them away. If there are plenty of videos on youtube showing them killing for sport... Please point one out to me.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | komet. - 2014-08-27 5:18 AM watchpeppydoc - 2014-08-23 8:42 AM komet. - 2014-08-23 6:14 AM betsykuschel - 2014-08-23 6:05 AM We live in MN, wolf country. They have never bothered our horses, but cows are another matter. They have started eating two of our cows while they were still alive. Made me sick. And as gas as them eating only the sick and weak, that's a joke, too. They like entertainment, so chasing animals until they die is fun for them. They will kill a deer, eat one or two internal organs and leave the rest. Oh you are full of crap!!! They don't hunt for fun... They hunt to eat... They will NOT run down a deer for a snack!!! Do you have any idea how many miles they have to go to run a deer to death?? You're pretty much out of the loop then if you think wolves don't kill for fun! Plenty of youtube videos that will show this off as well.... Sometimes the way they go about it is to attack to injure, make the quarry bleed... lie down and wait. Once the quarry is totally helpless... they eat. They are smart enough to wait for a cow like hers to weaken or die to avoid getting hurt themselves. A wolf can only eat about 20 max anyway before it has to rest and digest. They kill to eat and have no compunction about starting the meal before the animal is dead if it does not pose a threat. They are not evil, they are just wolves. If they happen across prey that looks like an easy kill they will kill it as the next meal they know they will need. Humans arriving on the scene at any point will drive them away. If there are plenty of videos on youtube showing them killing for sport... Please point one out to me.
I know Betsy very well. She's not "full of crap" and she doesn't make things up. I have heard many accounts from people here in MN of wolves killing and barely eating anything. Basically, I think what she is saying is food is plentiful for them here in Minnesota, so evidently they have the luxury of only eating what most appeals to them. They really are very costly predators in some areas here. |
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Location: ND--it snows, it floods, it snows, it floods | komet. - 2014-08-27 5:18 AM watchpeppydoc - 2014-08-23 8:42 AM komet. - 2014-08-23 6:14 AM betsykuschel - 2014-08-23 6:05 AM We live in MN, wolf country. They have never bothered our horses, but cows are another matter. They have started eating two of our cows while they were still alive. Made me sick. And as gas as them eating only the sick and weak, that's a joke, too. They like entertainment, so chasing animals until they die is fun for them. They will kill a deer, eat one or two internal organs and leave the rest. Oh you are full of crap!!! They don't hunt for fun... They hunt to eat... They will NOT run down a deer for a snack!!! Do you have any idea how many miles they have to go to run a deer to death?? You're pretty much out of the loop then if you think wolves don't kill for fun! Plenty of youtube videos that will show this off as well.... Sometimes the way they go about it is to attack to injure, make the quarry bleed... lie down and wait. Once the quarry is totally helpless... they eat. They are smart enough to wait for a cow like hers to weaken or die to avoid getting hurt themselves. A wolf can only eat about 20 max anyway before it has to rest and digest. They kill to eat and have no compunction about starting the meal before the animal is dead if it does not pose a threat. They are not evil, they are just wolves. If they happen across prey that looks like an easy kill they will kill it as the next meal they know they will need. Humans arriving on the scene at any point will drive them away. If there are plenty of videos on youtube showing them killing for sport... Please point one out to me.
Komet once you've been stalked by a wolf or in my case 3 wolves you can talk about how they only hunt for food, until then can it or move to a subject you know something about. In this case you are wrong...wolves will hunt for fun. Keep in mind 1 wolf will kill up to or more then 25 deer a year...have you ever seen wolves prey on moose or elk...they play with them for days until they are dead. It's not a pretty sight.
To the OP learn the S.S.S method of predator control. What the DNR does not know will not hurt them just becareful of the radio collar. If you take care of one with a collar get rid of the collar or you better have a very good case of why you shot it. The MN DNR is not the easiest agency to deal with and their lack of livestock knowledge is astounding to say the least. |
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Wolves will bite the hamstring of any animal and then eat them while still alive or leave them there to suffer! They do kill for sport!
I live in northern Utah, a rancher about 10 miles from my dad's ranch had a colt killed, they buried it before it could be looked at but the state trapper said it sounded like a wolf kill, and not 5 miles further there was a confirmed wolf kill of a calf. Neither animal was ate very much, just killed!
I am very much in favor of shoot on sight. We are a little further from the mountain than these ranches and haven't seen wolves on our place but we still keep a gun close just in case.
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komet. - 2014-08-27 5:18 AM watchpeppydoc - 2014-08-23 8:42 AM komet. - 2014-08-23 6:14 AM betsykuschel - 2014-08-23 6:05 AM We live in MN, wolf country. They have never bothered our horses, but cows are another matter. They have started eating two of our cows while they were still alive. Made me sick. And as gas as them eating only the sick and weak, that's a joke, too. They like entertainment, so chasing animals until they die is fun for them. They will kill a deer, eat one or two internal organs and leave the rest. Oh you are full of crap!!! They don't hunt for fun... They hunt to eat... They will NOT run down a deer for a snack!!! Do you have any idea how many miles they have to go to run a deer to death?? You're pretty much out of the loop then if you think wolves don't kill for fun! Plenty of youtube videos that will show this off as well.... Sometimes the way they go about it is to attack to injure, make the quarry bleed... lie down and wait. Once the quarry is totally helpless... they eat. They are smart enough to wait for a cow like hers to weaken or die to avoid getting hurt themselves. A wolf can only eat about 20 max anyway before it has to rest and digest. They kill to eat and have no compunction about starting the meal before the animal is dead if it does not pose a threat. They are not evil, they are just wolves. If they happen across prey that looks like an easy kill they will kill it as the next meal they know they will need. Humans arriving on the scene at any point will drive them away. If there are plenty of videos on youtube showing them killing for sport... Please point one out to me.
To the OP learn the S.S.S method of predator control. What the DNR does not know will not hurt them just becareful of the radio collar. If you take care of one with a collar get rid of the collar or you better have a very good case of why you shot it. The MN DNR is not the easiest agency to deal with and their lack of livestock knowledge is astounding to say the least.
Don't tell me to "can it" and I have read and watched documentaries about wolves all my life. I understand they kill cattle and sheep but hey... Try reading the post you quoted and thinking about it.. A wolf will worry a moose or an elk until it is too weak to defend itself... It's not MEANT to be pretty.. Something that large can do terrible damage to an unwary wolf. Once injured by such an animal they will usually die because they can no longer hunt. Something like a cow or a sheep is easy pickings to the wolf that has survived for eons hunting deer, elk, buffalo and moose. Everybody acknowledges how smart dogs are. Where do you think that intelligence stems from? But they only have a part of that intelligence. How many domestic dogs could survive if left alone in the wolf's environment? Not very darn many. and I'm still waiting for that video that there are supposed to be so many of. |
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We live in MN, wolf country. They have never bothered our horses, but cows are another matter. They have started eating two of our cows while they were still alive. Made me sick. And as gas as them eating only the sick and weak, that's a joke, too. They like entertainment, so chasing animals until they die is fun for them. They will kill a deer, eat one or two internal organs and leave the rest.
Oh you are full of crap!!! They don't hunt for fun... They hunt to eat... They will NOT run down a deer for a snack!!! Do you have any idea how many miles they have to go to run a deer to death??
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Location: SE Louisiana | bennie1 - 2014-08-27 4:57 PM
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We live in MN, wolf country. They have never bothered our horses, but cows are another matter. They have started eating two of our cows while they were still alive. Made me sick. And as gas as them eating only the sick and weak, that's a joke, too. They like entertainment, so chasing animals until they die is fun for them. They will kill a deer, eat one or two internal organs and leave the rest.
Oh you are full of crap!!! They don't hunt for fun... They hunt to eat... They will NOT run down a deer for a snack!!! Do you have any idea how many miles they have to go to run a deer to death??
Lots of wolves in your neck of the woods there, Komet?
Down here? No, but we had our share up in Idaho... BTY I worked for a retired Idaho Fish and Game warden while I was there... They did Raptor Rehab and I learned much about wolves and other wildlife from him. |
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| komet. - 2014-08-27 5:21 PM bennie1 - 2014-08-27 4:57 PM komet. - 2014-08-23 6:14 AM betsykuschel - 2014-08-23 6:05 AM We live in MN, wolf country. They have never bothered our horses, but cows are another matter. They have started eating two of our cows while they were still alive. Made me sick. And as gas as them eating only the sick and weak, that's a joke, too. They like entertainment, so chasing animals until they die is fun for them. They will kill a deer, eat one or two internal organs and leave the rest. Oh you are full of crap!!! They don't hunt for fun... They hunt to eat... They will NOT run down a deer for a snack!!! Do you have any idea how many miles they have to go to run a deer to death?? Lots of wolves in your neck of the woods there, Komet? Down here? No, but we had our share up in Idaho... BTY I worked for a retired Idaho Fish and Game warden while I was there... They did Raptor Rehab and I learned much about wolves and other wildlife from him.
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Location: SE Louisiana | bennie1 - 2014-08-27 5:33 PM
komet. - 2014-08-27 5:21 PM bennie1 - 2014-08-27 4:57 PM komet. - 2014-08-23 6:14 AM betsykuschel - 2014-08-23 6:05 AM We live in MN, wolf country. They have never bothered our horses, but cows are another matter. They have started eating two of our cows while they were still alive. Made me sick. And as gas as them eating only the sick and weak, that's a joke, too. They like entertainment, so chasing animals until they die is fun for them. They will kill a deer, eat one or two internal organs and leave the rest. Oh you are full of crap!!! They don't hunt for fun... They hunt to eat... They will NOT run down a deer for a snack!!! Do you have any idea how many miles they have to go to run a deer to death?? Lots of wolves in your neck of the woods there, Komet? Down here? No, but we had our share up in Idaho... BTY I worked for a retired Idaho Fish and Game warden while I was there... They did Raptor Rehab and I learned much about wolves and other wildlife from him.
Yeah well... Larry used to work with Bill Pogue and will be the first to tell you that he was not surprised someone like Claude Dallas finally killed him.. It was just a shame a rookie like Elms had to be with him.. |
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| komet. - 2014-08-27 5:43 PM
bennie1 - 2014-08-27 5:33 PM
komet. - 2014-08-27 5:21 PM bennie1 - 2014-08-27 4:57 PM komet. - 2014-08-23 6:14 AM betsykuschel - 2014-08-23 6:05 AM We live in MN, wolf country. They have never bothered our horses, but cows are another matter. They have started eating two of our cows while they were still alive. Made me sick. And as gas as them eating only the sick and weak, that's a joke, too. They like entertainment, so chasing animals until they die is fun for them. They will kill a deer, eat one or two internal organs and leave the rest. Oh you are full of crap!!! They don't hunt for fun... They hunt to eat... They will NOT run down a deer for a snack!!! Do you have any idea how many miles they have to go to run a deer to death?? Lots of wolves in your neck of the woods there, Komet? Down here? No, but we had our share up in Idaho... BTY I worked for a retired Idaho Fish and Game warden while I was there... They did Raptor Rehab and I learned much about wolves and other wildlife from him.
Yeah well... Larry used to work with Bill Pogue and will be the first to tell you that he was not surprised someone like Claude Dallas finally killed him.. It was just a shame a rookie like Elms had to be with him..
I don't know anything about that outside of the Ian Tyson song... |
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Location: Randolph, Utah | bennie1 - 2014-08-27 4:59 PM
komet. - 2014-08-27 5:43 PM
bennie1 - 2014-08-27 5:33 PM
komet. - 2014-08-27 5:21 PM bennie1 - 2014-08-27 4:57 PM komet. - 2014-08-23 6:14 AM betsykuschel - 2014-08-23 6:05 AM We live in MN, wolf country. They have never bothered our horses, but cows are another matter. They have started eating two of our cows while they were still alive. Made me sick. And as gas as them eating only the sick and weak, that's a joke, too. They like entertainment, so chasing animals until they die is fun for them. They will kill a deer, eat one or two internal organs and leave the rest. Oh you are full of crap!!! They don't hunt for fun... They hunt to eat... They will NOT run down a deer for a snack!!! Do you have any idea how many miles they have to go to run a deer to death?? Lots of wolves in your neck of the woods there, Komet? Down here? No, but we had our share up in Idaho... BTY I worked for a retired Idaho Fish and Game warden while I was there... They did Raptor Rehab and I learned much about wolves and other wildlife from him.
Yeah well... Larry used to work with Bill Pogue and will be the first to tell you that he was not surprised someone like Claude Dallas finally killed him.. It was just a shame a rookie like Elms had to be with him..
I don't know anything about that outside of the Ian Tyson song...
I was thinking about the song as I read that too! |
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Location: SE Louisiana | bennie1 - 2014-08-27 5:59 PM
komet. - 2014-08-27 5:43 PM
bennie1 - 2014-08-27 5:33 PM
komet. - 2014-08-27 5:21 PM bennie1 - 2014-08-27 4:57 PM komet. - 2014-08-23 6:14 AM betsykuschel - 2014-08-23 6:05 AM We live in MN, wolf country. They have never bothered our horses, but cows are another matter. They have started eating two of our cows while they were still alive. Made me sick. And as gas as them eating only the sick and weak, that's a joke, too. They like entertainment, so chasing animals until they die is fun for them. They will kill a deer, eat one or two internal organs and leave the rest. Oh you are full of crap!!! They don't hunt for fun... They hunt to eat... They will NOT run down a deer for a snack!!! Do you have any idea how many miles they have to go to run a deer to death?? Lots of wolves in your neck of the woods there, Komet? Down here? No, but we had our share up in Idaho... BTY I worked for a retired Idaho Fish and Game warden while I was there... They did Raptor Rehab and I learned much about wolves and other wildlife from him.
Yeah well... Larry used to work with Bill Pogue and will be the first to tell you that he was not surprised someone like Claude Dallas finally killed him.. It was just a shame a rookie like Elms had to be with him..
I don't know anything about that outside of the Ian Tyson song...
Well they tried him for 1st degree murder of 2 law enforcement officers but could only get him for manslaughter because of Pugue's reputation as an a$$hole with a badge... Then after he escaped prison and was recaptured they tried him for escape and he was acquitted because he proved the guards were trying to have him killed because he only got manslaughter. |
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| This sounds l;ke a crazy story! |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Itsme - 2014-08-27 6:41 PM
This sounds l;ke a crazy story!
Remember your comment about how things should be the way they used to be? Well this is a story right out of the early 80s and that's how it used to be. Only this time LEOs got caught doing wrong and it was proven in court. |
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| komet. - 2014-08-27 7:15 PM
Itsme - 2014-08-27 6:41 PM
This sounds l;ke a crazy story!
Remember your comment about how things should be the way they used to be? Well this is a story right out of the early 80s and that's how it used to be. Only this time LEOs got caught doing wrong and it was proven in court.
Oh Jesus Christ, if you want to give up your freedoms go ahead. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Itsme - 2014-08-27 7:20 PM
komet. - 2014-08-27 7:15 PM
Itsme - 2014-08-27 6:41 PM
This sounds l;ke a crazy story!
Remember your comment about how things should be the way they used to be? Well this is a story right out of the early 80s and that's how it used to be. Only this time LEOs got caught doing wrong and it was proven in court.
Oh Jesus Christ, if you want to give up your freedoms go ahead.
Funny you should mention Him.. I bet He was a difficult child..
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| A rancher close to where we are had 48 calves killed by wolves a couple of years ago, as well as a couple of cows and bulls didn't come home off range. There was a pack of approx 9 or 10 wolves. That is a lot of beef for that many dogs to eat if they aren't sport hunters. I realize there are also other opportunists that come along and eat on it too. We found one of our calves on range with a big hole chewed out of his butt and managed to get him home and save him, we have cows missing tails, have mysteriously not had a couple of calves come home. Wolves? The elk and moose population in the area is decreasing. A logger I know was followed and surrounded, but made it back to his truck and there was a forestry worker also in the area who thankfully had her dogs with her and the wolves surrounded her, her dogs went after the wolves and she was able to get to her truck, but one of the dogs was killed. I would be very careful if they are coming that close to your house and barn. get rid of them if you can.
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| I added my two cents in here then deleted it, but maybe I better rephrase it so I can live with it. Here goes...
I did quite a bit of research for Joseys Mountain since it touches upon this subject. You don't have to be if you use common sense.
To make a claim that a wolf won't hunt for sport because it expends too much energy running down a prey isn' t giving the full picture.
Wild prey know to run. They have developed instincts. Domesticated stock isn't half the opponent to a wolf. So once it finds how easy it is to go after domesticated stock, that's what they will do. They are highly intelligent and once you have an issue you almost can't get rid of it.
I've been asked why I didn't wrap that portion of the plot line up within the novel and the easy answer is because there is NO way to end it and still remain on the good side of the law.
Good luck if you're dealing with this. It's a huge problem and its a touchy subject. People are strongly passionate about this. So...take it easy if you can. |
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | Supertrooper and I both live in northern ontario. She I believe is closer to you turn I am. I'm in the Sault Ste. Marie area. I do have wolves around and bears. Knock on wood I have never had a problem with either. My guys are in a herd and have always been outdoors and they know how to defend themselves. I have one that's killed coyotes and will kill a stray dog that goes in the field. Bears just seem to stay away. I have had one attacked by a cougar before though and she was new and not experienced (she survived). If your worried keep them inside if I had a smaller herd and none of my aggressive ones I would. |
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| All predatory animals are going to pose more of a threat as our countries develop more land, we are taking away their hunting grounds, and driving their prey to more adequate food.
I know in our area we are getting more of an influx of cougars even sightings in cities.
One thing I was told if you can hear the coyotes howl, then you don't have wolves or cougars in the area as these two chase away the coyotes. Around my place I see this to be true with cougars.
I have also been told that both wolves and coyotes complete a 21 day cycle, so if you see them on your place they generally won't be back for 21 days. I know this is true for cougars as the past 2 years every 21 days my quiet well behaved horses were jumping on top of me if a twig broke in the trees.
I do suggest paying attention to the behaviours of your horse, as they will tell you when they are near, also pay attention to other wildlife.
If you do put them in a barn, make sure it is impenetrable as it would be slaughter if the wolf ever made it in, grizzled bears in our area are more known for going into houses or barns.
The other thing is speak with fish and wildlife and make sure they are not protected, as it could be jail time if you shoot one, more if you do the triple s and get caught.
If they are protected, I know in Alberta if they are a threat to human safety, they will sedate and relocate.
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| What's the S.S.S method? I think I've got the shoot on site but I'm missing the last "S" .
We are now living near Fort Frances and I've been told the township will compensate for wolf kills of livestock. I'm not interested in being compensated, my husband has no issues killing them first. I will have to see if we are allowed to shoot them but just as a precaution. I didn't think to ask that.
About a half a mile down the road I found out that the wolves come up into their yard and snag their goats but they've had no problems with the horses. Probably because the goats are a lot easier to grab for now. I heard a pack of them the other night and darn if I could sleep all night. I cannot wait until I have the barns set up properly and I will make sure they are secure. Moving sure has been a change in what we are used to!
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Location: SE Louisiana | Severy - 2014-08-29 1:22 AM
What's the S.S.S method? I think I've got the shoot on site but I'm missing the last "S" .
We are now living near Fort Frances and I've been told the township will compensate for wolf kills of livestock. I'm not interested in being compensated, my husband has no issues killing them first. I will have to see if we are allowed to shoot them but just as a precaution. I didn't think to ask that.
About a half a mile down the road I found out that the wolves come up into their yard and snag their goats but they've had no problems with the horses. Probably because the goats are a lot easier to grab for now. I heard a pack of them the other night and darn if I could sleep all night. I cannot wait until I have the barns set up properly and I will make sure they are secure. Moving sure has been a change in what we are used to!
Shoot, Shovel and Shut up/Silence
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| Severy - 2014-08-29 1:22 AM
What's the S.S.S method? I think I've got the shoot on site but I'm missing the last "S" .
We are now living near Fort Frances and I've been told the township will compensate for wolf kills of livestock. I'm not interested in being compensated, my husband has no issues killing them first. I will have to see if we are allowed to shoot them but just as a precaution. I didn't think to ask that.
About a half a mile down the road I found out that the wolves come up into their yard and snag their goats but they've had no problems with the horses. Probably because the goats are a lot easier to grab for now. I heard a pack of them the other night and darn if I could sleep all night. I cannot wait until I have the barns set up properly and I will make sure they are secure. Moving sure has been a change in what we are used to!
SSS= Shoot, shovel, shut up. |
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