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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | A boarders horse had a bad wound on her leg over a month ago got sutured up and did 20 days of smz's because after ten the site was still oozing a bit. So after the antibiotics she started coming in from the pasture covered in her own diarrhea not eating or drinking right and then she'd be fine for 3-4 days then bam she seems colicy again- Our regular vet said maybe she has an ulcer so she went on ulcergard ever since. Then 2 weeks ago I rushed her to ER vet he thought her flora could've been messed up from antibiotics she stayed with him for 5 fives she had been getting banamine and still was running a 101.6 temp she coliced bad with him so he tubed her and pushed fluids for 5 days sent her home on ulcergard and metronizole(Sp?) Btw her poop smelled very weird almost like if you've ever smelled parvo puppy poop. He ran a fecal and no worms we're on a strict schedule. This mare is down again tonight no temp but colicy we are at a loss her gums are on the pale side again we have no idea what it could be. I dont believe its an ulcer in my heart of hearts. Please anyone with suggestions
Oh WBC count was slightly low but all other levels were fine.
Edited by FirstFirewater 2014-08-25 6:17 PM
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The Advice Guru
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| Platinum has a product called bio sponge, I got mine from the vet, I would follow the directions on the package, it supposedly works wonders on horses with diarrhea.
Thankfully I haven't had to use mine. |
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Crazy Doggy Mommy
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | Bump.... anyone? I know its Sunday night :( |
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Location: sunny california | ulcer guard would be good if the ulcer is in the foregut but for the hindgut I would recommend equisure. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | If she were mine I would be taking her to a different vet and having blood work done on her. |
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Crazy Doggy Mommy
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | kwanatha - 2014-08-24 9:45 PM ulcer guard would be good if the ulcer is in the foregut but for the hindgut I would recommend equisure.
how do you know the difference? |
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-24 9:46 PM If she were mine I would be taking her to a different vet and having blood work done on her.
I think the owners last option is the U of I... which is where I personally would've taken her in the first place, but money wise it was a better option if she continued to progress but its an every 3-4 day thing. Her bloodwork came back fine except for WBC count slightly low or elevated I cannot remember but I do know it does matter.. This horse has never been sick before shes 16-17 yr old grade mare. current on all vax coggins etc. Shes lost 200+ lbs in the last month it is breaking my heart... The money for care I'm sure isnt truly an issue but they thought the smaller ER vet could help :( |
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | FirstFirewater - 2014-08-24 7:46 PM kwanatha - 2014-08-24 9:45 PM ulcer guard would be good if the ulcer is in the foregut but for the hindgut I would recommend equisure. how do you know the difference?
honestly afer what she has been through that would have been my first thought. runny and gasy and they can be colicy |
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | does she get to feeling better then eat and about an hour later doesn't feel good? hind gut ulcers |
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Crazy Doggy Mommy
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | Yeah the vet also said her gut sounds are moving so fast that he could stand outside her stall and hear them. Ill let the owners know to all the vet about hindgut ulcers thank you so much |
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | Her stools go from pretty normal to cow pies to pure diarrhea too. Sorry to be so gross |
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Location: Home of the World Famous "Silver Bullet" | long shot........salmonella ?? |
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Location: Texas | I have a friend whose mare would intermittently have bouts of diarrhea. They finally found that giving her a tube of electrolytes once a week or so cures her. It's the cheapish orange tube you can get at TSC.
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | I think this is more than ulcers, if it were my horse I would have her at the university first thing in the am. Smelly diarrhea, temp, colic symptoms sounds almost like the mare is trying to go septic.
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Her gut sure sounds irritated, is she still on omeprazole? If she is and it hasn't helped then I would take her off of it because it can cause problems when used too long in some horses.
I would try some Probios and BioSponge then start her on GastroPlus or Succeed. Also, no more banamine unless it is a dire emergency. |
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Location: High heels in the air... | I just went thru a colic...the vet needs to run a fecal for salmonella and pull stomach fluids (done with a long needle) to be analyzed by the lab...after a colic, the lining of the colon is weakening...sometimes causing bile to leak into the horses system therefore keeping them sick...my gelding had to have constant IV fluids with ice boots and low doses of pain killers..also given antibiotics and probiotics to stabilize the gut flora...luckily , just a slight colic, no surgery no salmonella...he stayed at the clinic two weeks and is fine now...if there is diarrhea, that is a sign of infection...she needs care ASAP...just my experience... |
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | justcruzin - 2014-08-24 10:15 PM I think this is more than ulcers, if it were my horse I would have her at the university first thing in the am. Smelly diarrhea, temp, colic symptoms sounds almost like the mare is trying to go septic.
I've been thinking like you.. completely lost though she was a completely different horse by the end of her 5day stay two weeks ago. She's typically an eating machine now she's barely eating fresh grass when we walked her around tonight outside |
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Location: High heels in the air... | Read my post...she is sick with a bacterial infection after colic... |
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | CowboyUp!!! - 2014-08-24 10:24 PM Read my post...she is sick with a bacterial infection after colic...
I couldn't find it. |
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| I work at a vet. We are currently treating a foal that has brodocaucus (sp?). Not saying that is what the horse has. She has been on antibiotics for it. She now has the runs bad, fever, not eating ect. I personally recommend bio sponge, probios, fluids, antibiotics. That would be my game plan. I cannot say which antibiotics- that would be a vets OP but definitely the fluids, bio sponge and pro bios. |
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | Update* lastnight she was given Banamine orally @ 9pm and by 11 she felt much better and today she's back to pretty much normal although she's been going for leafy alfalfa over any stems since this sickness. We are upping her omeprazole to a full tube daily because she's only been on 1/4 daily. But in 3-4days she typically shows symptoms again so we shall see. Also she has not been running a temp |
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Location: sunny california | when they have hind gut ulcers they will go for the leafy alfalfa as it makes their tummy feel better. I would soak alf and timothy pellets. No stems allowed!
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | kwanatha - 2014-08-25 7:04 PM
when they have hind gut ulcers they will go for the leafy alfalfa as it makes their tummy feel better. I would soak alf and timothy pellets. No stems allowed!
I thought no grain or pellets with ulcers? Are the hay pellets different or cubes better? |
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Location: sunny california | FirstFirewater - 2014-08-25 5:17 PM kwanatha - 2014-08-25 7:04 PM when they have hind gut ulcers they will go for the leafy alfalfa as it makes their tummy feel better. I would soak alf and timothy pellets. No stems allowed!
I thought no grain or pellets with ulcers? Are the hay pellets different or cubes better?
soak them until they are mush |
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Location: Sperry, OK | Why was this horse not put on Biosponge to reset the flora and help clear the diarreha? That would have been the first thing to do with diarreha that bad! And the smelly poop is from Salmonella, horses are natural carriers and when they get this out of whack with their gut flora, the salmonella takes over. It is very contagious to humans, too... in MPO this horse should not have left the vet until that was under control to keep anyone from being contaminated with salmonella! Get some biosponge and start adding that to the routine, but you have to give it 1 hour before or after any other meds, as it will absorb the other meds too.
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Location: Lost in the swamps | My gelding has bouts of diahreah only at horse shows, Or in times of high stress,slowly it got to where he was doing it all the time, dull coat,larhatgic, he was not reactive to trigger points for ulcers, recently tested stool for worms, he was clear,but last year he was on sweet feed, figured it was hindgut acidosis, switched him to a pelleted feed, pleanty of turn out on grass 24/7, gave him probios , and flax seed oil, at out barrel racing finals he did not have one loose stool the entire weekend! |
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Location: Lost in the swamps | And from what I have read omeprezole will not help hindgut issues. Could someone please let me know if I'm correct on this? |
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Location: Where I am happiest | This is also pretty much the same symptoms with Potomac Horse Fever. |
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-08-26 9:09 AM
Why was this horse not put on Biosponge to reset the flora and help clear the diarreha? That would have been the first thing to do with diarreha that bad! And the smelly poop is from Salmonella, horses are natural carriers and when they get this out of whack with their gut flora, the salmonella takes over. It is very contagious to humans, too... in MPO this horse should not have left the vet until that was under control to keep anyone from being contaminated with salmonella! Get some biosponge and start adding that to the routine, but you have to give it 1 hour before or after any other meds, as it will absorb the other meds too.
she was on probiotics @ the vet for a week |
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | ThreeCorners - 2014-08-26 10:52 AM
This is also pretty much the same symptoms with Potomac Horse Fever.
but do they get better every 3-4days? That's the weird thing we're trying to figure out is why dues she get better then goes down for one day then gets better and this cycle just keeps repeating |
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