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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | Mare is 14.2 ish, awesome conformation, arena record setter, and won many open barrel and speed classes. Downside, she's 14.2 and hotter than a grenade with the pin pulled. Seriously, she's a witch, but she's got more athletic ability and heart in a 1/4 of her body than most do in their entire being. When the chips are down and you need to place, she's your go-to. Not going to let you down.
I need a baby daddy who will add size and level the baby out a bit. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. :) |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Got some solid running lines in there; you can definitely work with that, esp. as she's a proven performer.
So you need something to balance out a smaller size, probably a stud between 15.2 to 16 hh but not taller or she may have more trouble carrying.
And I assume you want something with a quieter personality.
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| MP Jet to the Sun! He's gorgeous in person and his babies that I've been around are almost on the lazy side, but very smart and correct.
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | Resale is and isn't important. I could sell the baby here because everybody knows the mare, though it's my plan to keep it.
Ball park $1500 stud fee |
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Location: Texas | OK, I used to own this mare, and had several babies out of her. We are riding two.
www.allbreedpedigree.com/aunt+curly
One is by a son of Johnny Boone, and one is by Sour Mash Dash. Neither are very big, even though the sires were.
These mares are quick learners and eager to please. They are also easily rattled - and I'm guessing that came from momma. The quieter of the two is by the FDD son.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Based on your specific requirements, the following studs, as far as I know, should add some size and hopefully balance out your girls' hot streak:
Fly the Red Eye (AQHA Supreme Champion and by Mr Eye Opener)
Onthewingsofglory (Full Brother to Feature Mr Jess)
Lead the Field
Pappasito (own son of Corona Cartel and a good sized boy)
Perks Firewater Flit (I do worry just a bit about adding enough size here, but a good stud)
These are all great options but I would also personally recommend Scrutinizer. I bred him to my 14.1 hh own daughter of SB to add some size. My two year old is fairly laid back, hasn't bucked once, and should finish out at about 15 hh, a good balance. She's darn good looking too. I've got pics and video if you are interested. :) |
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| I vote On A Gator. He is back in Texas now. So far he throws size and a good attitude. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | These mares are known for crossing well on Dinkys Red man (that's where Tiny Red Woman came from) and Jet of honor, but since both of those have been dead nearly 20 years, that doesn't work. Lol
I really like Pappasito, a lot. He's on my short list but I had a friend who had a baby by him and he didn't quite amount to what we all thought he should.
Kinda like High Rate of Return too but don't know anything about his babies brains.
Would love a Tres Seis son too.. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Leo - 2014-08-25 2:52 PM
These mares are known for crossing well on Dinkys Red man (that's where Tiny Red Woman came from) and Jet of honor, but since both of those have been dead nearly 20 years, that doesn't work. Lol
I really like Pappasito, a lot. He's on my short list but I had a friend who had a baby by him and he didn't quite amount to what we all thought he should.
Kinda like High Rate of Return too but don't know anything about his babies brains.
Would love a Tres Seis son too..
You might talk to teehaha about Slim then (son of Tres Seis). I think they had frozen. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | oija - 2014-08-25 2:42 PM
Based on your specific requirements, the following studs, as far as I know, should add some size and hopefully balance out your girls' hot streak:
Fly the Red Eye (AQHA Supreme Champion and by Mr Eye Opener)
Onthewingsofglory (Full Brother to Feature Mr Jess)
Lead the Field
Pappasito (own son of Corona Cartel and a good sized boy)
Perks Firewater Flit (I do worry just a bit about adding enough size here, but a good stud)
These are all great options but I would also personally recommend Scrutinizer. I bred him to my 14.1 hh own daughter of SB to add some size. My two year old is fairly laid back, hasn't bucked once, and should finish out at about 15 hh, a good balance. She's darn good looking too. I've got pics and video if you are interested. :)
I'd love to see your video :D |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Leo - 2014-08-25 2:54 PM
oija - 2014-08-25 2:42 PM
Based on your specific requirements, the following studs, as far as I know, should add some size and hopefully balance out your girls' hot streak:
Fly the Red Eye (AQHA Supreme Champion and by Mr Eye Opener)
Onthewingsofglory (Full Brother to Feature Mr Jess)
Lead the Field
Pappasito (own son of Corona Cartel and a good sized boy)
Perks Firewater Flit (I do worry just a bit about adding enough size here, but a good stud)
These are all great options but I would also personally recommend Scrutinizer. I bred him to my 14.1 hh own daughter of SB to add some size. My two year old is fairly laid back, hasn't bucked once, and should finish out at about 15 hh, a good balance. She's darn good looking too. I've got pics and video if you are interested. :)
I'd love to see your video :D
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | oija - 2014-08-25 2:55 PM
Leo - 2014-08-25 2:54 PM
oija - 2014-08-25 2:42 PM
Based on your specific requirements, the following studs, as far as I know, should add some size and hopefully balance out your girls' hot streak:
Fly the Red Eye (AQHA Supreme Champion and by Mr Eye Opener)
Onthewingsofglory (Full Brother to Feature Mr Jess)
Lead the Field
Pappasito (own son of Corona Cartel and a good sized boy)
Perks Firewater Flit (I do worry just a bit about adding enough size here, but a good stud)
These are all great options but I would also personally recommend Scrutinizer. I bred him to my 14.1 hh own daughter of SB to add some size. My two year old is fairly laid back, hasn't bucked once, and should finish out at about 15 hh, a good balance. She's darn good looking too. I've got pics and video if you are interested. :)
I'd love to see your video :D
PM'd you.
That is a super nice baby! :D |
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Location: In a happy place | jbhoot - 2014-08-25 2:51 PM I vote On A Gator. He is back in Texas now. So far he throws size and a good attitude.
I definately agree with you as I am in love with mine. But I was told he wouldn't be standing to outside mares. Do you know anything about this? |
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| sorrel horse ranch - 2014-08-25 6:22 PM
jbhoot - 2014-08-25 2:51 PM I vote On A Gator. He is back in Texas now. So far he throws size and a good attitude.
I definately agree with you as I am in love with mine. But I was told he wouldn't be standing to outside mares. Do you know anything about this?
I have not heard that. You can check the owners FB page Beto Orsi. |
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| jbhoot - 2014-08-25 7:05 PM
sorrel horse ranch - 2014-08-25 6:22 PM
jbhoot - 2014-08-25 2:51 PM I vote On A Gator. He is back in Texas now. So far he throws size and a good attitude.
I definately agree with you as I am in love with mine. But I was told he wouldn't be standing to outside mares. Do you know anything about this?
I have not heard that. You can check the owners FB page Beto Orsi.
I just sent Beto a message and you are correct he will not be standing to out side mares. |
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| Leo - 2014-08-25 1:52 PM
These mares are known for crossing well on Dinkys Red man (that's where Tiny Red Woman came from) and Jet of honor, but since both of those have been dead nearly 20 years, that doesn't work. Lol
I really like Pappasito, a lot. He's on my short list but I had a friend who had a baby by him and he didn't quite amount to what we all thought he should.
Kinda like High Rate of Return too but don't know anything about his babies brains.
Would love a Tres Seis son too..
I bought a Pappasito yearling out ofthe same mare that my daughters mare, Vegas, is out of. This filly is extremely smart, level headed and one if the nicest yearlings I've ever seen. Quick (her dam) is a hot mess and tends to throw that into her foals with the exception of the Pappi filly. I've seen about 5 Pappi babies and all have been pretty darn fancy. If your friend has a bad one, I would say it's more of a cross not working than Pappi throwing a bad one. I sure wouldn't hesitate to breed a hot mare to him based on my experience. |
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Location: Texas | Firewater Ta Fame and FWOTR throws big babies. Firewaterontherocks is the absolute bomb! I have ridden three and they are all great! I wouldn't sell mine for next year for less than 6 figures!
I am running Royal and Famous. His first foal crop will hit the ground next year. He is amazing! Out of a 3 time NFR mare that produced the horse that set the new arena record at OKC and ran the fastest time for the American qualifier at Mesquite. Roy's full sister was on the cover of barrel horse news as well last year! She is 6. Roy is a solid 1D horse that has multiple 1D wins! There is NO way he can't produce!
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/royal+and+famous2
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Location: In a happy place | mollibtexan - 2014-08-25 7:52 PM Firewater Ta Fame and FWOTR throws big babies. Firewaterontherocks is the absolute bomb! I have ridden three and they are all great! I wouldn't sell mine for next year for less than 6 figures! I am running Royal and Famous. His first foal crop will hit the ground next year. He is amazing! Out of a 3 time NFR mare that produced the horse that set the new arena record at OKC and ran the fastest time for the American qualifier at Mesquite. Roy's full sister was on the cover of barrel horse news as well last year! She is 6. Roy is a solid 1D horse that has multiple 1D wins! There is NO way he can't produce! http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/royal+and+famous2
I would love to have a FirewaterontheRocks......if I could afford one. The ones I have seen are awesome. And Firewater Ta Fame ain't no slouch either. |
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Location: In My Own Dream Land | Tres Kings is a super nice stallion. Walker Speedhorse owns him. |
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Location: north dakota | Tres kings is a AAA son of Tres Seis and out of First Place Queen with LTE of over880,000 and is a proven producer of over a million on the track. I own him along with walker speed horse and we bought him to breed for barrel and race horses. He is 16 hands and was well mannered and didn't get shook up when we raced him. His stud fee is in your price range. First foals will hit the ground spring 2015
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | FWOTR and Firewater Ta Fame BOTH have stud fees over $1500. FWOTR is $3500 for 2015. FWTF's fee is also going up for 2015. |
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Location: Oklahoma & Texas | Shawne Bug Leo would be my pick...he'll add size..muscle..and a great mind...all the Colts I've been around of his are very trainable and good tempered... |
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Location: Central Montana | Something cow bred with less heat. Hollywood Dun It, Shining Spark, etc. |
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Location: Nebraska | GoinJettin - 2014-08-25 10:40 PM Something cow bred with less heat. Hollywood Dun It, Shining Spark, etc.
That's what I was thinking as well. What about one of the studs out of Firewater Fiesta? I haven't heard a whole lot about them. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | GoinJettin - 2014-08-25 10:40 PM
Something cow bred with less heat. Hollywood Dun It, Shining Spark, etc.
Most of the cowbreds tend to be smaller. My guy is a son of One Hot Jose but he's the same size as the mare. Not going to get the size I would like out of that cross. He's done well on my other mares, but they are all 15.3-16.1, babies are taking after their momma's in height, but if both of them are 14.2, not much size you can get from that. Lol
I can't help it. I like a BIG horse. :)
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | RacingQH - 2014-08-25 9:43 PM
FWOTR and Firewater Ta Fame BOTH have stud fees over $1500. FWOTR is $3500 for 2015. FWTF's fee is also going up for 2015.
I knew FWOTR was out of my price range and I'd heard Stitch was going up too. Thanks for reaffirming that for me. :) |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | SKM - 2014-08-25 7:44 PM
Leo - 2014-08-25 1:52 PM
These mares are known for crossing well on Dinkys Red man (that's where Tiny Red Woman came from) and Jet of honor, but since both of those have been dead nearly 20 years, that doesn't work. Lol
I really like Pappasito, a lot. He's on my short list but I had a friend who had a baby by him and he didn't quite amount to what we all thought he should.
Kinda like High Rate of Return too but don't know anything about his babies brains.
Would love a Tres Seis son too..
I bought a Pappasito yearling out ofthe same mare that my daughters mare, Vegas, is out of. This filly is extremely smart, level headed and one if the nicest yearlings I've ever seen. Quick (her dam ) is a hot mess and tends to throw that into her foals with the exception of the Pappi filly. I've seen about 5 Pappi babies and all have been pretty darn fancy. If your friend has a bad one, I would say it's more of a cross not working than Pappi throwing a bad one. I sure wouldn't hesitate to breed a hot mare to him based on my experience.
That's good to know :) thank you :) |
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Location: Midwest | El Scorcho... I believe LRQHs is standing him next year. :) This ad is old (as in I think he is more than 500, but it has all his info and the contact info)
http://www.barrelhorseworld.com/horsedetail.asp?id=113331
He's going to be inexpensive, and his babies are very very nice. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | Murphy - 2014-08-26 7:55 AM
As far as size, I have always heard to breed type to type. So if she is 14.2 hands, I wouldn't breed to a 16 hand stallion.
You are correct. You should breed two phenotypically compatible individuals, I'm not breeding her to a 16 hand horse but I do want something bigger. |
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| barrelracr131 - 2014-08-26 8:00 AM
El Scorcho... I believe LRQHs is standing him next year. :) This ad is old (as in I think he is more than 500, but it has all his info and the contact info)http://www.barrelhorseworld.com/horsedetail.asp?id=113331
He's going to be inexpensive, and his babies are very very nice.
This would be an interesting mix with Tinys Gay top and bottom .... hmmmmmmmmm .... |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | lindseylou2290 - 2014-08-26 9:28 AM
barrelracr131 - 2014-08-26 8:00 AM
El Scorcho... I believe LRQHs is standing him next year. :) This ad is old (as in I think he is more than 500, but it has all his info and the contact info)http://www.barrelhorseworld.com/horsedetail.asp?id=113331
He's going to be inexpensive, and his babies are very very nice.
This would be an interesting mix with Tinys Gay top and bottom .... hmmmmmmmmm ....
Mine is not Tinys Gay :) she's a daughter of Tiny Guy. |
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Location: Midwest | Leo - 2014-08-26 10:06 AM lindseylou2290 - 2014-08-26 9:28 AM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-26 8:00 AM El Scorcho... I believe LRQHs is standing him next year. :) This ad is old (as in I think he is more than 500, but it has all his info and the contact info)http://www.barrelhorseworld.com/horsedetail.asp?id=113331
He's going to be inexpensive, and his babies are very very nice. This would be an interesting mix with Tinys Gay top and bottom .... hmmmmmmmmm .... Mine is not Tinys Gay : ) she's a daughter of Tiny Guy.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/test63
ETA: Where are you located, and do you want to stay under 1500 with shipping? or just the stud fee itself?
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Location: Stuck in a cubicle having tropical thoughts | Leo - 2014-08-25 3:52 PM
These mares are known for crossing well on Dinkys Red man (that's where Tiny Red Woman came from) and Jet of honor, but since both of those have been dead nearly 20 years, that doesn't work. Lol
I really like Pappasito, a lot. He's on my short list but I had a friend who had a baby by him and he didn't quite amount to what we all thought he should.
Kinda like High Rate of Return too but don't know anything about his babies brains.
Would love a Tres Seis son too..
My granddaughter of Dinkys Red Man was the most ill tempered witch of a mare I've ever been around. She was also the quickest and most althletic mare I've sat on, but I couldn't deal with her trigger finger marish-ness. One day she was fine, the next day everything would set her off. She wasn't a hot head, just spooky and marish and terrified of everything. There are some nice Dinky sons standing, but in my personal experience, I wouldn't touch another Dinky horse with a ten foot pole. They are popular around here and I've seen more of them with bad minds than ones with good minds.
Redneck Jet is a grandson of Jet of Honor and consistently produces champions and most of his babies are decent size and they sell like hotcakes.
I personally love Shawne Bug Leo, Flit to Kill, Blazin Jetolena and JL Dash Ta Heaven. I also love Confederate Leader but I don't think he stands to the public. Maybe his son, Epic Leader, would be one to consider. I don't think you can go wrong with Firewaterontherocks either. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | barrelracr131 - 2014-08-26 2:07 PM
Leo - 2014-08-26 10:06 AM lindseylou2290 - 2014-08-26 9:28 AM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-26 8:00 AM El Scorcho... I believe LRQHs is standing him next year. :) This ad is old (as in I think he is more than 500, but it has all his info and the contact info)http://www.barrelhorseworld.com/horsedetail.asp?id=113331
He's going to be inexpensive, and his babies are very very nice. This would be an interesting mix with Tinys Gay top and bottom .... hmmmmmmmmm .... Mine is not Tinys Gay : ) she's a daughter of Tiny Guy.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/test63
ETA: Where are you located, and do you want to stay under 1500 with shipping? or just the stud fee itself?
Just the stud fee :) may have to add him to the list :) |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | barlracr429 - 2014-08-26 2:20 PM
Leo - 2014-08-25 3:52 PM
These mares are known for crossing well on Dinkys Red man (that's where Tiny Red Woman came from) and Jet of honor, but since both of those have been dead nearly 20 years, that doesn't work. Lol
I really like Pappasito, a lot. He's on my short list but I had a friend who had a baby by him and he didn't quite amount to what we all thought he should.
Kinda like High Rate of Return too but don't know anything about his babies brains.
Would love a Tres Seis son too..
My granddaughter of Dinkys Red Man was the most ill tempered witch of a mare I've ever been around. She was also the quickest and most althletic mare I've sat on, but I couldn't deal with her trigger finger marish-ness. One day she was fine, the next day everything would set her off. She wasn't a hot head, just spooky and marish and terrified of everything. There are some nice Dinky sons standing, but in my personal experience, I wouldn't touch another Dinky horse with a ten foot pole. They are popular around here and I've seen more of them with bad minds than ones with good minds.
Redneck Jet is a grandson of Jet of Honor and consistently produces champions and most of his babies are decent size and they sell like hotcakes.
I personally love Shawne Bug Leo, Flit to Kill, Blazin Jetolena and JL Dash Ta Heaven. I also love Confederate Leader but I don't think he stands to the public. Maybe his son, Epic Leader, would be one to consider. I don't think you can go wrong with Firewaterontherocks either.
Honestly, I've had a half a dozen of so Dinkys. Direct gets and grandgets, all of mine where athletic but I'm not looking to breed to one. Ready for something different :)
Most of the ones you listed are out of my price range :( FWOTR would be my first choice if I could afford him but there ain't no way. Lol |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | Leo - 2014-08-26 7:19 AM Murphy - 2014-08-26 7:55 AM As far as size, I have always heard to breed type to type. So if she is 14.2 hands, I wouldn't breed to a 16 hand stallion. You are correct. You should breed two phenotypically compatible individuals, I'm not breeding her to a 16 hand horse but I do want something bigger.
Personally, I don't see anything "wrong" with breeding a short mare to a taller stallion. Breeding "type to type" to ME doesn't necessarily mean they should be the same height. This is what I got when I bred my 14.2 mare to my 16 hand stallion. The 3 yo was taller thantheir dam by the time he was a 2yo.
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | RacingQH - 2014-08-27 2:33 PM
Leo - 2014-08-26 7:19 AM Murphy - 2014-08-26 7:55 AM As far as size, I have always heard to breed type to type. So if she is 14.2 hands, I wouldn't breed to a 16 hand stallion. You are correct. You should breed two phenotypically compatible individuals, I'm not breeding her to a 16 hand horse but I do want something bigger.
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| SKM - 2014-08-25 8:44 PM
Leo - 2014-08-25 1:52 PM
These mares are known for crossing well on Dinkys Red man (that's where Tiny Red Woman came from) and Jet of honor, but since both of those have been dead nearly 20 years, that doesn't work. Lol
I really like Pappasito, a lot. He's on my short list but I had a friend who had a baby by him and he didn't quite amount to what we all thought he should.
Kinda like High Rate of Return too but don't know anything about his babies brains.
Would love a Tres Seis son too..
I bought a Pappasito yearling out ofthe same mare that my daughters mare, Vegas, is out of. This filly is extremely smart, level headed and one if the nicest yearlings I've ever seen. Quick (her dam ) is a hot mess and tends to throw that into her foals with the exception of the Pappi filly. I've seen about 5 Pappi babies and all have been pretty darn fancy. If your friend has a bad one, I would say it's more of a cross not working than Pappi throwing a bad one. I sure wouldn't hesitate to breed a hot mare to him based on my experience.
Love mine too.
My mare is also small, and hot to ride, but not on the ground.
Her Pappasito filly is a long yearling, about 2 - 3" off her momma already, and really easy going. I expect that she will pass her before she turns 2. I take her pasture mate out, and she could care less.
Her momma is easy on the ground, so we shall see if that carries over to riding. I like her so much, I've been considering breeding my mare back to him. |
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