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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | Won't my horse run for me? I let a girl use him for HS rodeos and he runs and wins for her. Her riding style is very similar to mine. He seems to be a free runner for her. Previous owned won several rodeos and barrel races on him. But yet I can not for the life of me make him run. I can take him on one of our dirt roads and sprint him and he most defiantly runs but when we get to a arena he doesn't. He just wants to lope along all slow like a snail. Anyone have any ideas or suggestions? |
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It also could be their mindset. Maybe they are more let
'er rip than you are or something. I don't know. When you start thinking about how the horse won for someone else you start putting a lot of pressure on yourself. Try to put that aside if you can and run your horse for fun & be fearless. Easier said than done.
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | I have my saddlemaker coming next week to see about doing something different for him. The way he is built causes my current saddle to sit down hill and makes me feel like I'm going to fall forward. So I sit it up higher than I would like to. So after talking with him we think it may be preventing him from running because it may be pinching his shoulders. I'm going to leave it up to him as to whether we have him a new saddle made with a different tree or use the current one but slide it back to where it's suppose to be and use a Shim. Either way I'm having a new saddle made but changing the tree or using a Shim is completely up to him because he knows more about what he's doing than I do. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | A bad saddle fit came to mind first. Can you run him once in the saddle that she uses and see if he will run with you in hers? |
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Location: Texas | I would like to see a video comparison too. I borrowed a horse from my trainer at the time years ago… she was 2D local on her and I needed her to fill a spot for the 2008 NBHA TX state show due to my horse being hurt.. We went to a wrapn3 and I was 8th in the 1D the first day. It was a total shock. She always let her cruise to the first and apparently I sent her way harder than she ever did because she thought she would go by the 1st.. well she inhaled it and we clocked like 4 tenths off..
So at the NBHA state show...I qualified for the short round in the 2D and tipped a barrel to place 4th in the 1D finals.. we ran 2 tenths off Firewaterontherocks. I think for me it was the fact that I didn't know the horse that well, and I didn't have all the preconceived notions about how she worked and how she should be ran and I didn't really know any of her weaknesses. I ran her with a clean mental slate and I did really well.
I think that is also why I typically do really well when I first get a new horse. Everything is a clean slate and I just run and don't over think. Once I own the horse for a while I start dissecting everything and I make everything complicated.
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | Nevertooold - 2014-08-27 9:33 PM
A bad saddle fit came to mind first. Can you run him once in the saddle that she uses and see if he will run with you in hers?
Hers it's too big for me. But it's a Josey with the flex tree I believe. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | My first thoughts were……compare the videos of your runs against hers. I highly doubt that you run the horse the same. Then, if you think the saddle “may” be the problem, try borrowing other brands/models, etc from your friends to see if that helps before having a new one made. |
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Do you ride as well as they do? Is he taking care of you? Do you overthink what he is going to do? I am borrowing a mare and I can get her to run at the top of the 1D and her owner is in the bottom of the 2D on her. We have very different riding styles. I have a tendancy to throw one the reins and just ride, where he rides 2 handed and has more controlled pretty patterns. I had a gelding that would run at the top for me, but put a smaller/less secure rider on him and he would take care of them and wait for them to catch up.
Just a suggestion, don't worry about being pretty and having "nice" barrels. Just ride your horse and be fast. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I was wondering the same thing about him taking care of you, Maybe the other girl that had him was a more aggressive rider and you might be more layed back, and he knows the difference.
Did you changed out any of the tack, I know that you ride in a different saddle, but what about the bit is it the same bit he was being ran in?
I agree on the video's I would watch her running him and then have a video of you so that you can compare the two styles of riding. It just could be that you have a whole different style of riding. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-28 9:46 AM
I was wondering the same thing about him taking care of you, Maybe the other girl that had him was a more aggressive rider and you might be more layed back, and he knows the difference.
Did you changed out any of the tack, I know that you ride in a different saddle, but what about the bit is it the same bit he was being ran in?
I agree on the video's I would watch her running him and then have a video of you so that you can compare the two styles of riding. It just could be that you have a whole different style of riding.
I put a lighter bit on him becuse I was and may still be hanging on his face. It may be my mind set. She is the type if she isn't winning it isn't fun. I'm just happy to be there win or not. So I wonder if she is doing something more aggressive than me and I'm just not seeing it. |
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Location: Mansfield, Tx | Saddle
tack (bit mainly), spurs
style, aggressive , hand placement, is she sitting quitely in the saddle and maybe you are moving so
he feels you and is taking care of you...
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Location: Here | TessBelle - 2014-08-28 10:47 AM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-28 9:46 AM I was wondering the same thing about him taking care of you, Maybe the other girl that had him was a more aggressive rider and you might be more layed back, and he knows the difference.
Did you changed out any of the tack, I know that you ride in a different saddle, but what about the bit is it the same bit he was being ran in?
I agree on the video's I would watch her running him and then have a video of you so that you can compare the two styles of riding. It just could be that you have a whole different style of riding. I put a lighter bit on him becuse I was and may still be hanging on his face. It may be my mind set. She is the type if she isn't winning it isn't fun. I'm just happy to be there win or not. So I wonder if she is doing something more aggressive than me and I'm just not seeing it.
A lot of horses if you aren't aggressive they won't be either |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | TessBelle - 2014-08-28 10:47 AM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-28 9:46 AM I was wondering the same thing about him taking care of you, Maybe the other girl that had him was a more aggressive rider and you might be more layed back, and he knows the difference.
Did you changed out any of the tack, I know that you ride in a different saddle, but what about the bit is it the same bit he was being ran in?
I agree on the video's I would watch her running him and then have a video of you so that you can compare the two styles of riding. It just could be that you have a whole different style of riding. I put a lighter bit on him becuse I was and may still be hanging on his face. It may be my mind set. She is the type if she isn't winning it isn't fun. I'm just happy to be there win or not. So I wonder if she is doing something more aggressive than me and I'm just not seeing it.
And another thing I was thinking about, how long have you had this horse, sometimes it takes a while to get with a new one.  |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-28 11:24 AM
TessBelle - 2014-08-28 10:47 AM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-28 9:46 AM I was wondering the same thing about him taking care of you, Maybe the other girl that had him was a more aggressive rider and you might be more layed back, and he knows the difference.
Did you changed out any of the tack, I know that you ride in a different saddle, but what about the bit is it the same bit he was being ran in?
I agree on the video's I would watch her running him and then have a video of you so that you can compare the two styles of riding. It just could be that you have a whole different style of riding. I put a lighter bit on him becuse I was and may still be hanging on his face. It may be my mind set. She is the type if she isn't winning it isn't fun. I'm just happy to be there win or not. So I wonder if she is doing something more aggressive than me and I'm just not seeing it.
October will be 2yrs. I made some very good runs on him for a while. First show I took him to I won 2D with 180 something riders and only 7 in the 1D. |
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| TessBelle - 2014-08-28 12:57 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-28 11:24 AM TessBelle - 2014-08-28 10:47 AM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-28 9:46 AM I was wondering the same thing about him taking care of you, Maybe the other girl that had him was a more aggressive rider and you might be more layed back, and he knows the difference.
Did you changed out any of the tack, I know that you ride in a different saddle, but what about the bit is it the same bit he was being ran in?
I agree on the video's I would watch her running him and then have a video of you so that you can compare the two styles of riding. It just could be that you have a whole different style of riding. I put a lighter bit on him becuse I was and may still be hanging on his face. It may be my mind set. She is the type if she isn't winning it isn't fun. I'm just happy to be there win or not. So I wonder if she is doing something more aggressive than me and I'm just not seeing it. October will be 2yrs. I made some very good runs on him for a while. First show I took him to I won 2D with 180 something riders and only 7 in the 1D.
i know what you are going thru .if if i left barrel up i could get a check rodeo but that was a if.
i had my neighbor girl 10 get on him in augusta she barely caught the 3 leaving would should won youth on hin duriing the thanks giving my girlfrien used won several good size after i got hurt i let telittle girl ride im twice she sold him for me low 5 figures yes i gave her a nice bonus
i never rode him like those 2 as bad as it hurts to say i was almost to aggressive
bummer i feel your pain but they got great idea video but as they rode him totally different they won i didn/t as much but i did try but habits are hard to do
hope u do better than i did
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | Could also be your body position. If you are too forward or even too leaned back that can tell a horse to set up or not fire. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | I'm in my way now to a 3 day show in Mississippi. I'm gonna kick and kiss and be aggressive. If he bucks, he just bucks. I wear a helmet. Lol
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | clover girl - 2014-08-29 2:31 PM
Can't wait to see the video!
I just made a YouTube account so I'll post it to there but may be when I get back home Tuesday. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | TessBelle - 2014-08-29 2:29 PM I'm in my way now to a 3 day show in Mississippi. I'm gonna kick and kiss and be aggressive. If he bucks, he just bucks. I wear a helmet. Lol
When did he become a "bucker" ????? Your question was about him not "running" hard for you......NOW....I am confused! |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | NJJ - 2014-08-29 3:54 PM
TessBelle - 2014-08-29 2:29 PM I'm in my way now to a 3 day show in Mississippi. I'm gonna kick and kiss and be aggressive. If he bucks, he just bucks. I wear a helmet. Lol
When did he become a "bucker" ????? Your question was about him not "running" hard for you......NOW....I am confused!
When ever suitably inspired to do it. He did it Wednesday. Never has a reason. He just gets to feeling good. He may do it once a month but it's always on the way to the 1st barrel. Even bough he doesn't always do it I'm afraid he will. Maybe that's part of my problem. I got hurt on a bucker one time when I stubborn and thought I was invincible. She put me in my place so now bucking scares me
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | TessBelle - 2014-08-29 3:57 PM NJJ - 2014-08-29 3:54 PM TessBelle - 2014-08-29 2:29 PM I'm in my way now to a 3 day show in Mississippi. I'm gonna kick and kiss and be aggressive. If he bucks, he just bucks. I wear a helmet. Lol When did he become a "bucker" ????? Your question was about him not "running" hard for you......NOW....I am confused! When ever suitably inspired to do it. He did it Wednesday. Never has a reason. He just gets to feeling good. He may do it once a month but it's always on the way to the 1st barrel. Even bough he doesn't always do it I'm afraid he will. Maybe that's part of my problem. I got hurt on a bucker one time when I stubborn and thought I was invincible. She put me in my place so now bucking scares me
I think you have answered your own question......you are, more than likely, more tentative going to the first barrel......Additionally, the faster you hustle him, the less chance he has to buck....go for it....and Good Luck! |
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Location: Here | TessBelle - 2014-08-29 3:57 PM NJJ - 2014-08-29 3:54 PM TessBelle - 2014-08-29 2:29 PM I'm in my way now to a 3 day show in Mississippi. I'm gonna kick and kiss and be aggressive. If he bucks, he just bucks. I wear a helmet. Lol When did he become a "bucker" ????? Your question was about him not "running" hard for you......NOW....I am confused! When ever suitably inspired to do it. He did it Wednesday. Never has a reason. He just gets to feeling good. He may do it once a month but it's always on the way to the 1st barrel. Even bough he doesn't always do it I'm afraid he will. Maybe that's part of my problem. I got hurt on a bucker one time when I stubborn and thought I was invincible. She put me in my place so now bucking scares me
jmho if the saddle is sliding back and digging into his shoulders he just might be trying to tell you. help me.... |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | SG. - 2014-08-29 9:58 PM TessBelle - 2014-08-29 3:57 PM NJJ - 2014-08-29 3:54 PM TessBelle - 2014-08-29 2:29 PM I'm in my way now to a 3 day show in Mississippi. I'm gonna kick and kiss and be aggressive. If he bucks, he just bucks. I wear a helmet. Lol When did he become a "bucker" ????? Your question was about him not "running" hard for you......NOW....I am confused! When ever suitably inspired to do it. He did it Wednesday. Never has a reason. He just gets to feeling good. He may do it once a month but it's always on the way to the 1st barrel. Even bough he doesn't always do it I'm afraid he will. Maybe that's part of my problem. I got hurt on a bucker one time when I stubborn and thought I was invincible. She put me in my place so now bucking scares me
I agree  that saddle dont fit if its sliding back/foreward/sideways it dont fit and its hurting him.  I know it only slides back, but I had to add some extra words tonight for some reason,,,  |
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Location: Here | If it is always to the first barrel then there is something about that lead that could be bothering him. Honestly, change saddles, and get the boy a good vet check |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | SG. - 2014-08-29 10:14 PM
If it is always to the first barrel then there is something about that lead that could be bothering him. Honestly, change saddles, and get the boy a good vet check
I don't know but I wouldn't think so because we've swapped him to running left and he does it that way too. |
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Location: MD | sounds like it might be a combo to me. poor saddle fit plus maybe you're a bit more timid on him. I'll tell you I got pretty miffed someone entered my colt because I asked her to ride him for me for the weekend and I get a text message saying she won the 2D with lots of bobbles.... I wasn't even able to get him out of the 5D.
He's just the type that isn't going to go faster than you are ACTUALLY ready for. Not what you ask for. Is your horse this way? |
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Location: Here | TessBelle - 2014-08-30 2:55 AM SG. - 2014-08-29 10:14 PM If it is always to the first barrel then there is something about that lead that could be bothering him. Honestly, change saddles, and get the boy a good vet check I don't know but I wouldn't think so because we've swapped him to running left and he does it that way too.
I just found the pictures of the saddle and fit. Honestly I would not put this saddle back on him |
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This saddle is placing way too much pressure on his withers and shoulders because it doesn't fit |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | Well.... Our run was a epic fail! Had to use my trick riding skills tonight. I havnt had that bad of a run in a long time BUT he did run! Infact His get up and go got up and almost left me in the alley which made a bad approach to the first. Creamed it. Almost left me sitting at the 2nd I was on the back of my saddle almost all the way to the 3rd got back in my seat just in time to bulldoze the 3rd. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | Had even more run today. I think staying 1 handed is the key. It's just hard for me because I'm used to 2 hands. But we still bulldozed the 1st barrel |
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Why? Why? Why?