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Location: Prosser, WA | What are some known cowhorse bloodlines that cross well into barrel racing? I like Playgun but have heard they are buckers. I'm trying to figure out what breeding to look for in a mare to cross with my racebred stud. I think he would cross really well on a cowbred mare. So I want bloodlines known for being good cowhorses and barrel horses, trainability, personality, etc. Thanks. |
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Location: Washington | Tell us how your stud is bred first. |
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Strong Willed Woman
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Location: Prosser, WA | He is by First Down Dash out of Classic Canyon. :) |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | A full brother to A Classic Dash. Nice. Colonel Freckles and Playgun. You can never go wrong. After riding some of the nicest bloodlines in the cutting business, those 2 are my favorites as well as Smart Chic Olena. I'm actually a fan of the race lines myself and don't like to cross on cow BUT after riding a few Smart Chic mares, I told my husband I would love to have been able to cross a Smart Chic mare that was out of a Colonel Freckles daughter (one of his best crosses) back to First Down Dash himself. That would have been a heck of a baby!!! |
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Strong Willed Woman
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Location: Prosser, WA | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-08-27 7:27 PM
A full brother to A Classic Dash. Nice. Colonel Freckles and Playgun. You can never go wrong. After riding some of the nicest bloodlines in the cutting business, those 2 are my favorites as well as Smart Chic Olena. I'm actually a fan of the race lines myself and don't like to cross on cow BUT after riding a few Smart Chic mares, I told my husband I would love to have been able to cross a Smart Chic mare that was out of a Colonel Freckles daughter (one of his best crosses) back to First Down Dash himself. That would have been a heck of a baby!!!
There was a grandson of Playgun that ran in the futurities around here last year that was so nice. My stud has been crossed on daughters of Frenchmans Guy and Captain Biankus and I really like those crossed on him. I've always loved the cow/run cross so just trying to decide which bloodlines to seek out. |
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| Docs Prescription is one of my favorite bloodlines. I also like Peppy San Badger, they can be pissy and many believe them to be buckers but I've never had that issue but they are sassy. Freckles Playboy also produces some really gritty horses. |
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Location: Central Montana | I like Freckles Playboy and Genuine Doc.
I personally don't think you can go wrong with proven Doc Bar bloodlines though, they are technically speed bred.
We've also had a couple of Peppy San Badger horses and they were are not buckers........they are workers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwmDTVbeUkE
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| The Peppy San Badgers that I have had have never been anything but honest and willing and holy cow can those suckers turn! Too fast for me sometimes.
That and while not strictly "cow bred," Miss n Cash foals are fabulous for both barrels and cows. http://missncash.com/missncash.htm
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Location: GA | With all of the suggestions of Peppy San Badger, take a look at the horses being ridden by the great competitors and breeders of the Fulton family. You'll find several are sired by son of Peppy San Badger, Paddys Irish Whiskey. Lisa Fulton is a super nice lady and told me the cross of A Streak Of Fling on their daughters of Paddys Irish Whiskey is one of their favorites. I wish I had taken a photo of the pages of the Fulton's sale catalog that featured their sons and their personal horses (almost every one had Paddy or Irish or Whiskey in it's name LOL)
Definitely check out both the Fulton's and the Myers' (owners of Frenchmans Guy) broodmare programs on their websites. You'll see the name Paddys Irish Whiskey several times.
There is a super nice futurity colt for sale here on BHW that recently set an arena record that is sired by A Streak Of Fling and out of a daughter of Paddys Irish Whiskey.
If you click on the ad link in my signature, the fourth picture in the ad is a 2 month old filly by our son of Paddys Irish Whiskey out of a Panther Mountain/First Down Dash mare.
I love cow breds and am excited to hear of your interest in crossing your stallion on some of this blood!  |
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Location: NM...the Land of Manana | stayceem - 2014-08-27 9:29 PM Docs Prescription is one of my favorite bloodlines. I also like Peppy San Badger, they can be pissy and many believe them to be buckers but I've never had that issue but they are sassy. Freckles Playboy also produces some really gritty horses.
Ditto on the PSB. I love my "pissy litle bucker" he is Mr. Personality. Very trainable and athletic. |
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Strong Willed Woman
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Location: Prosser, WA | Thanks for the ideas. I don't know that I want a bloodline known for bucking. LOL. Can anyone tell me more about the Paddy Irish Whiskey's?
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | kakbarrelracer - 2014-08-28 9:54 AM
Thanks for the ideas. I don't know that I want a bloodline known for bucking. LOL. Can anyone tell me more about the Paddy Irish Whiskey's?
broncy lol. Some are...of course there are going to be people that say that about every bloodline. |
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Location: Prosser, WA | Are there any cow horse bloodlines not known for being broncy? LOL |
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Location: Finally horseback again.... | kakbarrelracer - 2014-08-28 10:54 AM Thanks for the ideas. I don't know that I want a bloodline known for bucking. LOL. Can anyone tell me more about the Paddy Irish Whiskey's?
I have an own son of Paddys Irish Whiskey out of a daughter of Tanguery Gin, he is four, been rode about 30 days. Hasnt bucked other than the first saddling and that was minor.
he is super soft, athletic and learns quick.
he is a bit on the lazy side. Very, very laid back. Nothing bothers him at all. I just started hauling him to see the sights and nothing has ruffled his feathers yet. Ive been riding him in the warm up areas and even horses running all directions hasnt phased him.
I have to say though, he has the biggest hiney ive ever seen on a cutter!!!
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| I agree with what the others have said. Some of my favorite "cow" lines include Docs Stylish Oak, and Smart Chic Olena. I have not seen a Playgun yet that I didnt like, but dont have much personal experience with them. I know a couple people who have had luck on the barrels with Highbrow Cat horses as well. I have seen some Hancocks that were pretty speedy as well and made good barrel horses. We have to remember that all the cow lines came from the foundation lines, and most all of them were runners. |
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Location: Kansas | Peptoboonsmal for sure is one of my favorites. I especially love an own son of his that is a red roan. |
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| Canchasr1 - 2014-08-28 11:59 AM kakbarrelracer - 2014-08-28 10:54 AM Thanks for the ideas. I don't know that I want a bloodline known for bucking. LOL. Can anyone tell me more about the Paddy Irish Whiskey's?
I have an own son of Paddys Irish Whiskey out of a daughter of Tanguery Gin, he is four, been rode about 30 days. Hasnt bucked other than the first saddling and that was minor.
he is super soft, athletic and learns quick.
he is a bit on the lazy side. Very, very laid back. Nothing bothers him at all. I just started hauling him to see the sights and nothing has ruffled his feathers yet. Ive been riding him in the warm up areas and even horses running all directions hasnt phased him.
I have to say though, he has the biggest hiney ive ever seen on a cutter!!!
I am finding myself more and more interested in these PIW horses. Nice hip on this guy! |
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| koi322 - 2014-08-28 9:04 AM With all of the suggestions of Peppy San Badger, take a look at the horses being ridden by the great competitors and breeders of the Fulton family. You'll find several are sired by son of Peppy San Badger, Paddys Irish Whiskey. Lisa Fulton is a super nice lady and told me the cross of A Streak Of Fling on their daughters of Paddys Irish Whiskey is one of their favorites. I wish I had taken a photo of the pages of the Fulton's sale catalog that featured their sons and their personal horses (almost every one had Paddy or Irish or Whiskey in it's name LOL ) Definitely check out both the Fulton's and the Myers' (owners of Frenchmans Guy ) broodmare programs on their websites. You'll see the name Paddys Irish Whiskey several times. There is a super nice futurity colt for sale here on BHW that recently set an arena record that is sired by A Streak Of Fling and out of a daughter of Paddys Irish Whiskey. If you click on the ad link in my signature, the fourth picture in the ad is a 2 month old filly by our son of Paddys Irish Whiskey out of a Panther Mountain/First Down Dash mare. I love cow breds and am excited to hear of your interest in crossing your stallion on some of this blood!
I just noticed your picture. You own the stud whos add I can not help but drool over on BHW. He is BEAUTIFUL!!! |
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Location: Finally horseback again.... | scwebster - 2014-08-28 12:02 PM Canchasr1 - 2014-08-28 11:59 AM kakbarrelracer - 2014-08-28 10:54 AM Thanks for the ideas. I don't know that I want a bloodline known for bucking. LOL. Can anyone tell me more about the Paddy Irish Whiskey's?
I have an own son of Paddys Irish Whiskey out of a daughter of Tanguery Gin, he is four, been rode about 30 days. Hasnt bucked other than the first saddling and that was minor.
he is super soft, athletic and learns quick.
he is a bit on the lazy side. Very, very laid back. Nothing bothers him at all. I just started hauling him to see the sights and nothing has ruffled his feathers yet. Ive been riding him in the warm up areas and even horses running all directions hasnt phased him.
I have to say though, he has the biggest hiney ive ever seen on a cutter!!!
Another horse off the 6666 that I love is Sixes Pick. He is an athlete!!
I had a choice on a Sixes Pick or my colt but that particular colt just didnt have the disposition that I wanted.
I also love Tanguery Gin bred horses. Every horse I own some how goes back to Ed Echols in their pedigree. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | yes :) The ones we enjoyed the most were anything Smart Little Lena, just watch for them to have decent bone as most were very tiny. Somebody Smart sired a favorite filly I rode. Liked anything that went back to Smart Chic Olena except Chics Achey Breaky. They had some attitude and bronc in them. Highbrow Cats were smart and pretty easy. Freckles Playboy, easy as well. Ran as fast as we could from anything Duel Pep. Gallo Del Cielo's were on the hot blooded side. Anything with the name Merada were much loved. Master Merada, Freckles Merada etc. Hollywood Dun Its were small but pretty easy to train.
These are ones we rode enough of that we could actually form an honest opinion about them and their sire lines. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Reminics were either REALLY easy or REALLY fragile. Didn't seem to matter what the dam was, just an individual thing. Grays Starlight are great. Miss N Cash are some of the best, but hard to find and we never actually rode an own son/daughter. Most anything "Fritz/Bueno Chex" bred had great minds and work ethic-Bueno Fritzi Nic. Docs Oak are AWESOME too. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Reminics were either REALLY easy or REALLY fragile. Didn't seem to matter what the dam was, just an individual thing. Grays Starlight are great. Miss N Cash are some of the best, but hard to find and we never actually rode an own son/daughter. Most anything "Fritz/Bueno Chex" bred had great minds and work ethic-Bueno Fritzi Nic. Docs Oak are AWESOME too. |
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Location: GA | scwebster - 2014-08-28 1:06 PM
koi322 - 2014-08-28 9:04 AM With all of the suggestions of Peppy San Badger, take a look at the horses being ridden by the great competitors and breeders of the Fulton family. You'll find several are sired by son of Peppy San Badger, Paddys Irish Whiskey. Lisa Fulton is a super nice lady and told me the cross of A Streak Of Fling on their daughters of Paddys Irish Whiskey is one of their favorites. I wish I had taken a photo of the pages of the Fulton's sale catalog that featured their sons and their personal horses (almost every one had Paddy or Irish or Whiskey in it's name LOL ) Definitely check out both the Fulton's and the Myers' (owners of Frenchmans Guy ) broodmare programs on their websites. You'll see the name Paddys Irish Whiskey several times. There is a super nice futurity colt for sale here on BHW that recently set an arena record that is sired by A Streak Of Fling and out of a daughter of Paddys Irish Whiskey. If you click on the ad link in my signature, the fourth picture in the ad is a 2 month old filly by our son of Paddys Irish Whiskey out of a Panther Mountain/First Down Dash mare. I love cow breds and am excited to hear of your interest in crossing your stallion on some of this blood!
Thank you so much! We love him :)
I've heard people say Frenchmans Guy's are broncy about as many times as I've heard them say Peppy San Badger's/Paddys Irish Whiskey's are broncy. You won't see me stop riding/breeding either bloodline ;-) |
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| I am working with a super nice 2yo gelding right now, and he is Dual Pep (Peppy San Badger) x Docs Prescription bred. He is super smart, athletic, and hard working. I wish he had some more racebred just for some more downright speed, but what he lacks in outright speed, he makes up for in his athletic ability and grit. Plus he just hit a growth spurt so he's finally 15 hands tall. |
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| Skipper W, Dry Doc, Bob Acre Doc. Are some of my favorites. |
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Location: Prosser, WA | Thanks for all the ideas. I appreciate it. :)
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| I just got a grandson of high brow cat and rocket wrangler and Passem up on the bottom side. He has some size he's 16 hands and he's the cattiest 16 hand horse ive ever seen he can rip around a barrel and has a huge stride. He's pretty laid back and lazy when it comes to warming up but put a barrel out there and he runs. |
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Location: the high desert | I just want to say, that i LOVE your stud. Colonel freckels seem to do well in the barrel pen. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Topsails Rein Maker has been sireing some bang up barrel horses! He is also the worlds winningiest reined cowhorse in history. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-08-28 10:09 AM yes :) The ones we enjoyed the most were anything Smart Little Lena, just watch for them to have decent bone as most were very tiny. Somebody Smart sired a favorite filly I rode. Liked anything that went back to Smart Chic Olena except Chics Achey Breaky. They had some attitude and bronc in them. Highbrow Cats were smart and pretty easy. Freckles Playboy, easy as well. Ran as fast as we could from anything Duel Pep. Gallo Del Cielo's were on the hot blooded side. Anything with the name Merada were much loved. Master Merada, Freckles Merada etc. Hollywood Dun Its were small but pretty easy to train.
These are ones we rode enough of that we could actually form an honest opinion about them and their sire lines.
Anyone know if there are more similaraties (sp) or differences between the Paddys Irish Whiskeys and the Gallo Del Cielos since PIW and Rooster are full brothers? And while we're at it, what about offspring of the other (well known) full brother, Grays Starlight? |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | RacingQH - 2014-08-28 5:49 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-08-28 10:09 AM yes :) The ones we enjoyed the most were anything Smart Little Lena, just watch for them to have decent bone as most were very tiny. Somebody Smart sired a favorite filly I rode. Liked anything that went back to Smart Chic Olena except Chics Achey Breaky. They had some attitude and bronc in them. Highbrow Cats were smart and pretty easy. Freckles Playboy, easy as well. Ran as fast as we could from anything Duel Pep. Gallo Del Cielo's were on the hot blooded side. Anything with the name Merada were much loved. Master Merada, Freckles Merada etc. Hollywood Dun Its were small but pretty easy to train.
These are ones we rode enough of that we could actually form an honest opinion about them and their sire lines. Anyone know if there are more similaraties (sp) or differences between the Paddys Irish Whiskeys and the Gallo Del Cielos since PIW and Rooster are full brothers? And while we're at it, what about offspring of the other (well known) full brother, Grays Starlight?
I was around more Gallo's and very much disliked them. They were very reactive, especially the fillies. Grays Starlight seemed to be the most level headed. I can't remember one doing a thing wrong and was around a few standing stallions and they were kind hearted too. Paddy's seemed "ranchy" if that makes sense. I also see a lot of the northern country ranchers standing sons of Paddy. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Wasn't Grays Starlight one of the first "well known" stallions to die of west nile when it first started to come out? |
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Location: Texas | Look at the breeding on the Louie,
www.allbreedpedigree.com/an+okie+with+cash
Docs Lynx and Docs Oak. In fact, there is a stallion bred very similarly close to me. I may take a detour from my usual race breeding and go to him. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-08-28 4:54 PM
Wasn't Grays Starlight one of the first "well known" stallions to die of west nile when it first started to come out?
Don't remember when the while WNV thing really got going. But, yes G.S.did get it and was put down in OCT 2002 when he was 18yo. |
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Strong Willed Woman
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Location: Prosser, WA | Lots of good ideas. Thanks! |
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Location: The South | Woo hoo, y'all are making me excited about my new mare we picked up this weekend. She's a reining cull out that they trained for mounted shooting. She rode great and they said she's got a pretty big motor if you ask her for speed. I really like her personality so far.
I recognized Shining Spark from my reiner friends back in the day, but I wondered if everything else I recognized was too far back to mean anything. The Doc Bar, Colonel Freckles, Freckles Playboy, etc.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/new+chex+to+shine |
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Location: austin, arkansas | I can't believe no one has said doc o Lena ..his name pops up all the time in pedigrees and one of the hottest studs is a grandson of him..
Blazin Jetolena!!!
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| Peppy San Badger for sure! I have one that's now 20 and I'd give anything to have another just like him! |
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| LindsayJordan84 - 2014-08-29 12:53 AM
Woo hoo, y'all are making me excited about my new mare we picked up this weekend. She's a reining cull out that they trained for mounted shooting. She rode great and they said she's got a pretty big motor if you ask her for speed. I really like her personality so far.
I recognized Shining Spark from my reiner friends back in the day, but I wondered if everything else I recognized was too far back to mean anything. The Doc Bar, Colonel Freckles, Freckles Playboy, etc. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/new+chex+to+shine
Nu Chex To Cash was pretty big in both reining and cowhorse if I remember. |
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Location: Central Montana | I've been looking at reiners for sale and I prefer not to have tiny/pony sized horses. Most speed/cow crosses I have come across have a lot more size to them.
For the reining pen though I've not yet found a speed/cow cross that is super competitive......which is unfortunately why I have my mare for sale right now. She is speed/cow cross but not quite catty enough............ |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | cwbynark - 2014-08-29 6:52 AM I can't believe no one has said doc o Lena ..his name pops up all the time in pedigrees and one of the hottest studs is a grandson of him.. Blazin Jetolena!!!
Due to age it is usually so far back and honestly, there is hardly a cow bred horse that DOESNT have his name...so I went for the other known names. |
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| Both my broodmares are out of daughters of freckles playboy and by sons of peptoboonsmal. I love that cross, so im a little partial lol.
The roans going to LDS unleashed next year (very excited about that)
The sorrel im hoping to take to a son of first down dash.
Other cow lines I like are playgun highbrow cat (I find the cats to be very easy to train but very smart and senstive so maybe not good for some people) smart little leana, dry doc theres so many i love im drawing a blank.
Miss n cash who sired a ton of top cowhorse and cutters and is by dash for cash (my one mare has a full sister of his on her maternal side) so you can get "cowbreed" with some run influance as well. Some reining mares might be a nice cross to.
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| Not an attempt to hijack the message but I have a 3 year old own daughter of Reminic we are just now starting. She seems brilliant but too early to tell for sure. What do you mean by "fragile"? Is there something particular I should look for? |
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Location: Finally horseback again.... | Blake Russell - 2014-08-29 12:02 PM Not an attempt to hijack the message but I have a 3 year old own daughter of Reminic we are just now starting. She seems brilliant but too early to tell for sure. What do you mean by "fragile"? Is there something particular I should look for?
By "fragile" they mean fragile minded, cant handle alot of pressure or change.
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Location: Finally horseback again.... | SpottedT - 2014-08-29 8:10 AM LindsayJordan84 - 2014-08-29 12:53 AM Woo hoo, y'all are making me excited about my new mare we picked up this weekend. She's a reining cull out that they trained for mounted shooting. She rode great and they said she's got a pretty big motor if you ask her for speed. I really like her personality so far.
I recognized Shining Spark from my reiner friends back in the day, but I wondered if everything else I recognized was too far back to mean anything. The Doc Bar, Colonel Freckles, Freckles Playboy, etc.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/new+chex+to+shine Nu Chex To Cash was pretty big in both reining and cowhorse if I remember.
Love the pedigree.
Nu Chex To Cash is still a big name.
Doc Wilson was a nice cutter and producer, particularly brood mare producer. He stood about 45 minutes from us most of his life. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Blake Russell - 2014-08-29 11:02 AM
Not an attempt to hijack the message but I have a 3 year old own daughter of Reminic we are just now starting. She seems brilliant but too early to tell for sure. What do you mean by "fragile"? Is there something particular I should look for?
Oh you would know by now. The first time they were ever saddled or rode, they would just kind of skit around wild. Didn't matter how much ground work you did and we did a lot. kind of scatter brained. Not crazy get you off their back, just goofy. Then the other ones would act like kid broke 10yr old been there done that, right from day one. |
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