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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Just totally random, for no reason, question. But how often do your local shows, of any sanction or jackpot, drag? After 5? After 10? |
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 Texas Lone Star
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Location: where ever my L/Q trl is parked | I personally would like to see them rake after every horse then drag after say 20/25. I've had horses that run better in fresh ground (no tracks) and have a few that ran good after one horse. I seem to get the bottom of the ground (last one in my draw) where ever I enter, so guess it doesn't matter. |
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Miracle in the Making
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| i know every arena different dirt is different but my pen we can drag on 10 and the ground beas good for 1 as its for last but for nbha it was 5. my pen is good ole ga red dirt we had a revel
and my son was good at it.
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Damn Yankee
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I'm catching not so good attitudes from a small handful of ppl because I am refusing to attend a district show that is Co sanctioned with another NBHA district that drags every ten. I don't like it even though I prefer bottom ground. My theory is if I personally don't like it then I just don't go. I never argued with them on it. There's too many other races to attend that drag every 5. I guess when you have a nice 1D horse or you are someone like me who worries even if it's a 4D horse, you get a little pickier |
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Location: Nebraska | Aqhaczy - 2014-08-31 5:07 PM I personally would like to see them rake after every horse then drag after say 20/25. I've had horses that run better in fresh ground (no tracks) and have a few that ran good after one horse. I seem to get the bottom of the ground (last one in my draw) where ever I enter, so guess it doesn't matter.
that would take forever to get through the barrel race! The one I go to the most rakes after every 5 and can run about 50 an hour. I couldn't imagine doing it after every one plus every 20-25. |
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 More bootie than waist!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Around here it's mostly every 10. Every once in a while they do 6 or 7 but never 10. |
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 Not Afraid to Work
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| Its common to do every 5 or 7 around here |
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 A Lady with Fight
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Location: NC | 5 for NBHA shows. 8 for another local association but that ground holds up pretty well to 8 horses. |
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Location: Montana | Here it depends on the number of entries. The place I go to most usually only has about 18-20 runners usually fewer, but if there is 18 runners, they usually rake/drag every 6. Our NBHA shows tend to rake/drag every 5. Here I'm not sure they know the difference between a rake and a drag...I always just say drag because they get the tractor out each time and go over it with the barrels gone. |
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 Making the post season
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Location: your guess is as good as mine | Every 5 is standard for around here...big or little jackpots. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | Most smaller races by me do every 1o
Our bigger arena neaby did every 7 last weekend. For the "big" shows they get two tractors and drag after 5. |
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 Own It and Move On
Location: The edge of no where | Cant remember the last time I saw more than 5 go on a drag at a barrel race. We've got tons of large shows to pick from......I think if they didn't drag every 5, attendance would be hurt. Nbha isn't a huge deal here, went to the moonshine run in glen rose this wknd....nbha people were running it, it was very poorly run. |
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| MS2011 - 2014-09-01 9:18 AM
Cant remember the last time I saw more than 5 go on a drag at a barrel race. We've got tons of large shows to pick from......I think if they didn't drag every 5, attendance would be hurt. Nbha isn't a huge deal here, went to the moonshine run in glen rose this wknd....nbha people were running it, it was very poorly run.
same here, I don't think I've been to a race in years that didn't drag after every 5, big drag every 50. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | Problem is with some of the shows, if they drug every 5 it would be a tractor show instead of a horse show... our local saddle clubs often don't have the best equipment and never have two tractors.
The ground holds up in most pens but in some, it doesn't, and it does hurt attendence at those places.
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 Witty Enough
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Location: CTX | Wow, didn't even know there was another option. I've been running for 7 years now and around here (Central TX) they always drag at 5, and most shows have a big drag at 50.
Edited by cranky B4 10am 2014-09-01 9:44 AM
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | cranky B4 10am - 2014-09-01 9:42 AM Wow, didn't even know there was another option. I've been running for 7 years now and around here (Central TX) they always drag at 5, and most shows have a big drag at 50.
Same here, every 5 drag, 50 big drag do the whole area and alley way and the bigger shows when they get to a 100 the really big drags, most time 3 tractors working the bigger shows they work the ground really nice making sure all is level. |
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Location: Silex, MO | Ok, I understand wanting more drags at the larger shows however at the smaller shows when your already getting crap that the shows take to long and you can NOT get help with setting up barrels, dragging every 5 is only going to make your shows longer. Don't get me wrong would love the drag every 5 thing or 7. However, looking at a view point of someone that has to get help at each and every show NOT so much fun. All you hear on the PA system is we need help, we need barrel setters. NOT everyone is so quick to get up and help or off their horses but they are quick to witch about it. The only good thing about these shows is I don't have to go to a gym for a work out I get one every weekend. The I laugh when people ask how do you stay so thin. I might be looking at this the wrong way but I am looking at this on the other side of the fence. |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Gryphon - 2014-09-01 10:12 AM
Ok, I understand wanting more drags at the larger shows however at the smaller shows when your already getting crap that the shows take to long and you can NOT get help with setting up barrels, dragging every 5 is only going to make your shows longer. Don't get me wrong would love the drag every 5 thing or 7. However, looking at a view point of someone that has to get help at each and every show NOT so much fun. All you hear on the PA system is we need help, we need barrel setters. NOT everyone is so quick to get up and help or off their horses but they are quick to witch about it. The only good thing about these shows is I don't have to go to a gym for a work out I get one every weekend. The I laugh when people ask how do you stay so thin. I might be looking at this the wrong way but I am looking at this on the other side of the fence.
Most of the shows here have people that are willing to work and good tractor drivers, and most of the time there are 2 tractors working the arena so it gos by alot faster. |
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Own It and Move On
Location: The edge of no where | I've never been to a wknt jackpot that didn't drag every 5. Its not just big shows. Within an hour of me there are jackpots Mon-Thurs that will draw anywhere from 40 to 170 runners.
Id run for more $$$$ and hold out a bit to cover expenses. |
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 Texas Tenderheart
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Location: Red Raiderland | MS2011 - 2014-09-01 11:24 AM I've never been to a wknt jackpot that didn't drag every 5. Its not just big shows. Within an hour of me there are jackpots Mon-Thurs that will draw anywhere from 40 to 170 runners.
Id run for more $$$$ and hold out a bit to cover expenses.
Same here. I would think it strange to not drag every 5 no matter how many entries. I am in N.E. Texas and the shows whether big or small are run the same. I go to shows in Oklahoma and they are run the same. Now at ANHA(Waco), this weekend, they don't big drag every 50 which is a bit different but the ground was awesome.
One thing I have noticed in recent years is that the big shows are not taking 15-20 mins for big drags anymore. If they are longer than 8-9 mins it is rare. |
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Damn Yankee
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | NBHA rule book does allow up to 10 between drags. When I first started running 10 was the norm. You might see 7 or 8, but never 5. I was just curious because in the last ten years I've not seen more then 5. I guess I'm aggravated that some folks want to get rude with me for asking how they are doing the drag. I could care less that they drag every 10. Rules allow it. Ground will probably be fine. I just needed to know because I don't want to go if it's every ten and there was another race I could enter that doesn't take late entries. I was able to get in the other race |
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Rad Dork
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Location: Oklahoma | mtcanchazer - 2014-08-31 11:12 PM Here it depends on the number of entries. The place I go to most usually only has about 18-20 runners usually fewer, but if there is 18 runners, they usually rake/drag every 6. Our NBHA shows tend to rake/drag every 5. Here I'm not sure they know the difference between a rake and a drag...I always just say drag because they get the tractor out each time and go over it with the barrels gone.
When you say rake/drag what are you suggesting is the difference? When you say rake are you meaning specifically moving the dirt by hand with yard rakes? Not trying to be snarky, just curious! I've never been to a show where they rake (meaning by hand inbetween each runner), but I think I've watched it on a webcast before.
Around here they drag after every 5, but I've never been to a weeknight jackpot that did a big drag after 50 entries. They will on weekend/added money events, but not for the run of the mill weekly race.
Old Fort Days finals drug after every three. That was tedious to watch, but I know that it's better for the horses.
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Married to a Louie Lover
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| Big shows around here are every 5, big drags at 50 and the tractor drivers know how to put it in gear and get it done.
Our local jackpots we typically go every 5-7 depending on entries and make sure we have good tractor driver's.
I was at a jackpot this weekend I'd consider to between the big shows and our local ones and the tractor was waaaaaay too slow. Nice tractor, good drag, just needed to shift it up a gear and go a bit IMO. |
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Location: iowa | i appreciate good ground and i do understand what it takes to get it good. so i dont complain ever about the dragging or how long it takes. i appreciate any show committee who cares enough to ensure the ground is good. i was at the same show that Oh Max was at this weekend. the ground stayed great for the entire race. that pen does not always have good ground so i was thrilled with the efforts made to keep it safe and even for everyone. |
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Location: Blissfully happy Giants fan!!! | In the three years I have been in Texas I am not sure I have seen anything but an every 5 drag. And I have yet to see either an every 50 or an every 100 big drag...until this weekend. I pre-entered and asked for every 50 between by three and assumed a big drag would occur. Nope! That is what happens when you assume!!!! But like kaycee said, the ground was so awesome they didn't need to.
I am fine with being patient with a tractor driver as long as they don't drag the entire friggin arena. Drag where the girls are running, get in and get out. I have been to pens where they drag the entire place and that will keep me from coming back for sure. |
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 Miss Laundry Misshap
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| Most of the pens I run at need it every 5. There are a select few that are ok at 7, but I think 10 is too many.
But I still find it exceptionally amusing that we used to run 100 head (over the course of a night) at open shows and they never would drag!! Now the horses and/or people can't handle that! We are SO spoiled with dragging every 5!! |
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Location: Kentucky | We drag after 10 here. I can't imagine dragging after 5.... shows already end late enough here. |
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 Living within my means
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Location: Randolph, Utah | Most of the bigger races here drag every 5, and big drag every 50 or 75 depending on the conditions. The weekly races usually rake every 7.
I did go to a rodeo series this year that hand raked between every barrel racer. |
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Own It and Move On
Location: The edge of no where | Murphy - 2014-09-02 9:29 AM We drag after 10 here. I can't imagine dragging after 5.... shows already end late enough here.
Just kinda curious, trying to figure out if it's a regional thing. What kind of shows do you have in your area? What's an ave turnout? |
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 Husband Spoiler
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Location: North Dakota | Our state show this past weekend did every 10. It was a lake for the beginning runners and by the end it was dry but getting deeper and deeper. The arena didn't have lights so they tried to get it done before we ran out of daylight. I definitely would have liked to see them dig it at least every 7 especially with the conditions we had to deal with due to the rain. My horse is a lefty and when he got into the backside of his first barrel he hit a huge deep burm and got stuck and practically had to trot out! Luckily the draw was reversed the 2nd day. |
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 Tough Patooty
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Location: Sperry, OK | Longneck - 2014-09-01 3:36 PM mtcanchazer - 2014-08-31 11:12 PM Here it depends on the number of entries. The place I go to most usually only has about 18-20 runners usually fewer, but if there is 18 runners, they usually rake/drag every 6. Our NBHA shows tend to rake/drag every 5. Here I'm not sure they know the difference between a rake and a drag...I always just say drag because they get the tractor out each time and go over it with the barrels gone. When you say rake/drag what are you suggesting is the difference? When you say rake are you meaning specifically moving the dirt by hand with yard rakes? Not trying to be snarky, just curious! I've never been to a show where they rake (meaning by hand inbetween each runner), but I think I've watched it on a webcast before.
Around here they drag after every 5, but I've never been to a weeknight jackpot that did a big drag after 50 entries. They will on weekend/added money events, but not for the run of the mill weekly race.
Old Fort Days finals drug after every three. That was tedious to watch, but I know that it's better for the horses.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=579298852192836
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=310526775799459
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 If you knew me you would want to be me
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Location: Utah | My hubby is a tractor man at alot of the races we run at including hs rodeos. HS rodeos around here drag every ten. Races drag every five. He says it is quicker to drag every five than it is every ten if you want the ground even for all the runners. Extra passes are needed with the tractor when 10 are run. He also says that the ground has to be different for 10 runs than for 5 runs so it will hold 10 horses safely. Most places around here are 5 runs to a drag. 7 drives me nuts because it is hard to figure which drag you are in, lol. Who came up with 7 anyway. |
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Location: Kentucky | MS2011 - 2014-09-02 1:33 PM Murphy - 2014-09-02 9:29 AM We drag after 10 here. I can't imagine dragging after 5.... shows already end late enough here. Just kinda curious, trying to figure out if it's a regional thing. What kind of shows do you have in your area? What's an ave turnout?
We mainly have IBRA and NBHA. It's nothing to have over 100 in open. |
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Own It and Move On
Location: The edge of no where | Murphy - 2014-09-03 8:01 AM MS2011 - 2014-09-02 1:33 PM Murphy - 2014-09-02 9:29 AM We drag after 10 here. I can't imagine dragging after 5.... shows already end late enough here. Just kinda curious, trying to figure out if it's a regional thing. What kind of shows do you have in your area? What's an ave turnout?
Maybe it's what people are used to running in regionally.... I'd consider an open with less than 100 to be small on a wknd.... I'd be ticked if they didn't drag every 5. Most of the weeknight jackpots are anywhere from 60-170. Depending on the producer run anywhere from 35-70 an hour. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Nateracer - 2014-09-02 9:19 AM Most of the pens I run at need it every 5. There are a select few that are ok at 7, but I think 10 is too many.
But I still find it exceptionally amusing that we used to run 100 head (over the course of a night) at open shows and they never would drag!! Now the horses and/or people can't handle that! We are SO spoiled with dragging every 5!!
I remember those days too. Even the big, prestigious barrel races would only drag every 10 and our open shows dragged before it started. LOL. Now I don't remember the last time I saw them drag on 10 outside of a rodeo. Even the small barrel races are dragging every 5 these days because we have gotten spoiled and expect it. |
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Midget Lover
Location: Kentucky | MS2011 - 2014-09-03 9:16 AM Murphy - 2014-09-03 8:01 AM MS2011 - 2014-09-02 1:33 PM Murphy - 2014-09-02 9:29 AM We drag after 10 here. I can't imagine dragging after 5.... shows already end late enough here. Just kinda curious, trying to figure out if it's a regional thing. What kind of shows do you have in your area? What's an ave turnout?
I am sure there are more barrel horses/races in Texas than there are in Kentucky :) |
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Rad Dork
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Location: Oklahoma | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-09-02 1:49 PM Longneck - 2014-09-01 3:36 PM mtcanchazer - 2014-08-31 11:12 PM Here it depends on the number of entries. The place I go to most usually only has about 18-20 runners usually fewer, but if there is 18 runners, they usually rake/drag every 6. Our NBHA shows tend to rake/drag every 5. Here I'm not sure they know the difference between a rake and a drag...I always just say drag because they get the tractor out each time and go over it with the barrels gone. When you say rake/drag what are you suggesting is the difference? When you say rake are you meaning specifically moving the dirt by hand with yard rakes? Not trying to be snarky, just curious! I've never been to a show where they rake (meaning by hand inbetween each runner), but I think I've watched it on a webcast before.
Around here they drag after every 5, but I've never been to a weeknight jackpot that did a big drag after 50 entries. They will on weekend/added money events, but not for the run of the mill weekly race.
Old Fort Days finals drug after every three. That was tedious to watch, but I know that it's better for the horses.
Well, that's awesome!! |
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Husband Spoiler
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Location: North Dakota | There is a small rodeo association I run in that doesn't drag at all! They run about 15 jrs and 15 sr barrel racers during the perf and then usually have another 15 sr girls in slack after the rodeo and they don't drag once! We are lucky they finally agreed to get an electric eye this year!!! lol It's a fun little rodeo association to season young horses at though. They definitely get use to different ground since most of the rodeos are in their portable arena that they set up in a dug up area in some small town. It's a small pen so the horses get use to crowds being right at the fence next to the barrels, loud music, announcer, bulls in the chutes, people all around in the way of the gate, etc. Definitely a good place to get the horses use to the rodeo environment for a cheap entry fee and most are local towns. I usually make $90-$100 after entry fee and gate fee is taken out. Not a ton but hell $100 is $100 plus it's a fun time in small local towns. |
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 You get what you give
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Location: Texas | When I started running we would drag 5, 7, or 10 depending on the arena. That was in 2002, and I remember running every 7 at some pens and even every 10. That ended not long after I started running.
Now our local shows and big shows alike drag every 5, big drag every 50, and we have a random 1-5 drawing before the race to set when we drag, so people can't get there and pick top of the ground before everyone else.
Rodeos drag every 10 and it is what it is… I thnk we could get away with more horses in the drag but when you do that and go against the industry standard you are basically begging for people to complain about your race. |
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| Longneck - 2014-09-03 9:22 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-09-02 1:49 PM Longneck - 2014-09-01 3:36 PM mtcanchazer - 2014-08-31 11:12 PM Here it depends on the number of entries. The place I go to most usually only has about 18-20 runners usually fewer, but if there is 18 runners, they usually rake/drag every 6. Our NBHA shows tend to rake/drag every 5. Here I'm not sure they know the difference between a rake and a drag...I always just say drag because they get the tractor out each time and go over it with the barrels gone. When you say rake/drag what are you suggesting is the difference? When you say rake are you meaning specifically moving the dirt by hand with yard rakes? Not trying to be snarky, just curious! I've never been to a show where they rake (meaning by hand inbetween each runner), but I think I've watched it on a webcast before.
Around here they drag after every 5, but I've never been to a weeknight jackpot that did a big drag after 50 entries. They will on weekend/added money events, but not for the run of the mill weekly race.
Old Fort Days finals drug after every three. That was tedious to watch, but I know that it's better for the horses.
I saw a PRCA/WPRA rodeo recently and they didn't hand rake around each barrel after each run...... or at least I don't remember it. Is this something that is being done at every PRCA/WPRA rodeo. Also, if they do hand rake after each run, do they also hand rake after each during the slack? It would seem to be fair they would. |
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| We drag every ten around our neck of the woods. I put on a show about two weeks ago that had just under 90 in the open. We drug every 10, I honestly think people would have gotten mad if we drug every 5.
Around here people want to be in and out, and home! Now if we were consistently putting on larger shows and people asked me to drag less then 10 I would likely consider it...as I just try to do what the majority of people want.
Now personally-the shows I have NOT put on and gone to the only time that I noticed they were not dragging 10 is the larger arenas and bigger super shows, but I feel as if they didn't drag every 5, it was more like every 7.
I don't really mind either way, I want to try to develop a horse that can handle top and bottom of the ground all the way to rodeo footing, so number of horses between drags doesn't really cross my mind. It is the number of big drags and the overall condition of the arena I keep my eyes on throughout the show. |
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Damn Yankee
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I'm just glad to know that there are in fact other places that still drag every ten.
I don't necessarily have an issue with it because it is allowed, and it is common, and quite frankly, if you are going to run rodeos (which I used to) then you better be prepared for anything.
I just opt not to attend when I have so many other shows to choose from......until my jerk of a horse pulls a shoe again two days out..... |
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 Off the Wall Wacky
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Location: Louisiana | casualdust07 - 2014-09-03 12:25 PM When I started running we would drag 5, 7, or 10 depending on the arena. That was in 2002, and I remember running every 7 at some pens and even every 10. That ended not long after I started running. Now our local shows and big shows alike drag every 5, big drag every 50, and we have a random 1-5 drawing before the race to set when we drag, so people can't get there and pick top of the ground before everyone else. Rodeos drag every 10 and it is what it is… I thnk we could get away with more horses in the drag but when you do that and go against the industry standard you are basically begging for people to complain about your race.
I don't get it, can you explain what you're talking about? |
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Damn Yankee
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | dashnlotti - 2014-09-03 11:44 PM casualdust07 - 2014-09-03 12:25 PM When I started running we would drag 5, 7, or 10 depending on the arena. That was in 2002, and I remember running every 7 at some pens and even every 10. That ended not long after I started running. Now our local shows and big shows alike drag every 5, big drag every 50, and we have a random 1-5 drawing before the race to set when we drag, so people can't get there and pick top of the ground before everyone else. Rodeos drag every 10 and it is what it is… I thnk we could get away with more horses in the drag but when you do that and go against the industry standard you are basically begging for people to complain about your race. I don't get it, can you explain what you're talking about?
Alot of shows I have been to let you pick where you want to run. You just write your name down on the sheet.
To prevent ppl from always picking top ground etc, they will pull a number 1-5. Say that number is 3....they will run the first three horses, then start the drags at every 5 from that point. So 4-8 then drag, 9-13 then drag, and so on..... |
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Off the Wall Wacky
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Location: Louisiana | missroselee - 2014-09-03 10:58 PM dashnlotti - 2014-09-03 11:44 PM casualdust07 - 2014-09-03 12:25 PM When I started running we would drag 5, 7, or 10 depending on the arena. That was in 2002, and I remember running every 7 at some pens and even every 10. That ended not long after I started running. Now our local shows and big shows alike drag every 5, big drag every 50, and we have a random 1-5 drawing before the race to set when we drag, so people can't get there and pick top of the ground before everyone else. Rodeos drag every 10 and it is what it is… I thnk we could get away with more horses in the drag but when you do that and go against the industry standard you are basically begging for people to complain about your race. I don't get it, can you explain what you're talking about?
To prevent ppl from always picking top ground etc, they will pull a number 1-5. Say that number is 3....they will run the first three horses, then start the drags at every 5 from that point. So 4-8 then drag, 9-13 then drag, and so on.....
Gotcha! I've never been to a show that offers anything like that, always random draw.
To contribute to the discussion, pretty much every show around here drags every 5. Added money shows typically do big drags. In my opinion, it's more important that the tractor driver know what he's doing that how often the ground is worked. I've seen the ground go from good to terrible because the tractor driver(one of the HS kids that works for the arena) had no clue what he was doing. If you have a big added money show, bring someone in that knows how to work the ground.
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