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Location: midwest mama | I have a friend whose toes point downward and she kind of rolls forward over her ankle when she turns around a barrel during a run. That makes her feet go behind her.
She is driving herself crazy trying to figure out what she needs to adjust to make that not happen.
Are her stirrups too long? Should she try different stirrups? She is using the wider aluminum ones with the grip in the bottom right now.
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| It could be one of two things. Either her stirrups are too long or her saddle seat is too small. Stirrups too long---you reach for the stirrup. Seat too small you cannot get your feet out in front of you. Sit on a bar stool and put your feet slightly behind you. It is impossible to get your toes up or even with your foot. I don't care what size seat you have, if you cannot get your feet in front of you it is too small. Also the size of the seat is not what holds you in. It is your weight on the stirrups |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | streakysox - 2014-08-31 8:52 PM It could be one of two things. Either her stirrups are too long or her saddle seat is too small. Stirrups too long---you reach for the stirrup. Seat too small you cannot get your feet out in front of you. Sit on a bar stool and put your feet slightly behind you. It is impossible to get your toes up or even with your foot. I don't care what size seat you have, if you cannot get your feet in front of you it is too small. Also the size of the seat is not what holds you in. It is your weight on the stirrups
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| All the barrel horse trainers and clinicians tell you to never look down at the barrel & look where you are going, but almost every picture of every winning barrel racers shows their eyes looking toward the barrel...... and their feet are not always heels down, toes up or toes level.
Of course poor body position does effect the success of the run. Your friend's issue may be as simple as her placement of her foot in the stirrup before the run. If she can't easily put her foot in a proper placement when not in a run, she should be able to make the adjustment & know what needs to be done....... length of stirrup, foot placement, seat, etc.
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-31 10:14 PM streakysox - 2014-08-31 8:52 PM It could be one of two things. Either her stirrups are too long or her saddle seat is too small. Stirrups too long---you reach for the stirrup. Seat too small you cannot get your feet out in front of you. Sit on a bar stool and put your feet slightly behind you. It is impossible to get your toes up or even with your foot. I don't care what size seat you have, if you cannot get your feet in front of you it is too small. Also the size of the seat is not what holds you in. It is your weight on the stirrups If that were true, no one could stay on after losing stirrups.
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| Let me correct what I said--yes you do stay in the saddle by weight on your stirrups, but more important you maintain proper balance. I probably have taken 20,000 barrel racing pictures so I went back through a few for examples. I will tell you that 1D horses take spectacular pictures and all the others are good. If you understand what I am saying. Note their toes are NOT pointed down. The gal on the gray horse has overall perfect form. To get this you have to have your weight on your outside stirrup. The little girl on the bay is about 6 years old and since she is Josey trained she was started right. The other one has good form too. I did include one picture where the girl's feet are pointed down and overall form is not that good. Her legs are in the correct position though. The paint horse is my horse at the APHA world show ridden by my trainer. Her feet are not pointed down either. (He is Reserve World Champion) What I am trying to say is that correct balance will make your horse work better. If you want to settle for mediocre and what you are doing works for you don't change. I think the person in question is trying to improve.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | When I see people with their toes down they are usually tipped forward out of their saddle and are not in balance. Because they are forward the only place their toes can go is down. |
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| streakysox - 2014-08-31 10:38 PM
Let me correct what I said--yes you do stay in the saddle by weight on your stirrups, but more important you maintain proper balance. I probably have taken 20,000 barrel racing pictures so I went back through a few for examples. I will tell you that 1D horses take spectacular pictures and all the others are good. If you understand what I am saying. Note their toes are NOT pointed down. The gal on the gray horse has overall perfect form. To get this you have to have your weight on your outside stirrup. The little girl on the bay is about 6 years old and since she is Josey trained she was started right. The other one has good form too. I did include one picture where the girl's feet are pointed down and overall form is not that good. Her legs are in the correct position though. The paint horse is my horse at the APHA world show ridden by my trainer. Her feet are not pointed down either. (He is Reserve World Champion) What I am trying to say is that correct balance will make your horse work better. If you want to settle for mediocre and what you are doing works for you don't change. I think the person in question is trying to improve.
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| OldSchoolCowgirl - 2014-08-31 8:26 PM
I have a friend whose toes point downward and she kind of rolls forward over her ankle when she turns around a barrel during a run. That makes her feet go behind her.
She is driving herself crazy trying to figure out what she needs to adjust to make that not happen.
Are her stirrups too long? Should she try different stirrups? She is using the wider aluminum ones with the grip in the bottom right now.
Can anyone help?
If its both toes, I think shes probably not using her core and shes likely riding on her crotch vs her seat bones when sitting around a barrel. without a picture, its hard to tell though |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | stayceem - 2014-08-31 11:05 PM OldSchoolCowgirl - 2014-08-31 8:26 PM I have a friend whose toes point downward and she kind of rolls forward over her ankle when she turns around a barrel during a run. That makes her feet go behind her. She is driving herself crazy trying to figure out what she needs to adjust to make that not happen. Are her stirrups too long? Should she try different stirrups? She is using the wider aluminum ones with the grip in the bottom right now. Can anyone help? If its both toes, I think shes probably not using her core and shes likely riding on her crotch vs her seat bones when sitting around a barrel. without a picture, its hard to tell though
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | OK now I'm going over some of my pictures to see if I'm doing that pointing toe thingy,lol.. So far so good. |
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Location: Oklahoma | sodapop - 2014-08-31 11:16 PM Technically the balls of your feet should be on the stirrup. Most folks push their feet in further. Most of the pictures posted above show the feet further in the stirrups than we are supposed to ride...... The true heels down, balls of feet on the stirrup.
If you are having success, then keep on trucking. If you aren't then make adjustments as needed.
I know that when I band my feet it's impossible to get my toes up just because my foot seems to be shoved up in th stirrup and secured there. |
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Location: IN MY OWN LITTLE WORLD AT LEAST THEY KNOW ME HERE | My Dad was a PRCA calf roper n broke horses. He led w one foot forward n one foot back slightly.
He taught me to point inside toe down n slightly forward n lock my leg.
My out side foot slightly back n slightly pointed n locked.
Weight pushed down in both stirrups. Pelvis pushed to the front of saddle bears the body weight.
My heels r never down as this is counter productive n will lose a stirrup.
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Let me correct what I said--yes you do stay in the saddle by weight on your stirrups, but more important you maintain proper balance. I probably have taken 20,000 barrel racing pictures so I went back through a few for examples. I will tell you that 1D horses take spectacular pictures and all the others are good. If you understand what I am saying. Note their toes are NOT pointed down. The gal on the gray horse has overall perfect form. To get this you have to have your weight on your outside stirrup. The little girl on the bay is about 6 years old and since she is Josey trained she was started right. The other one has good form too. I did include one picture where the girl's feet are pointed down and overall form is not that good. Her legs are in the correct position though. The paint horse is my horse at the APHA world show ridden by my trainer. Her feet are not pointed down either. (He is Reserve World Champion) What I am trying to say is that correct balance will make your horse work better. If you want to settle for mediocre and what you are doing works for you don't change. I think the person in question is trying to improve.
I see the girl on the gray with her inside toe pointing down?....
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| redmansmyman11 - 2014-09-01 12:02 AM stayceem - 2014-08-31 10:03 PM streakysox - 2014-08-31 10:38 PM Let me correct what I said--yes you do stay in the saddle by weight on your stirrups, but more important you maintain proper balance. I probably have taken 20,000 barrel racing pictures so I went back through a few for examples. I will tell you that 1D horses take spectacular pictures and all the others are good. If you understand what I am saying. Note their toes are NOT pointed down. The gal on the gray horse has overall perfect form. To get this you have to have your weight on your outside stirrup. The little girl on the bay is about 6 years old and since she is Josey trained she was started right. The other one has good form too. I did include one picture where the girl's feet are pointed down and overall form is not that good. Her legs are in the correct position though. The paint horse is my horse at the APHA world show ridden by my trainer. Her feet are not pointed down either. (He is Reserve World Champion) What I am trying to say is that correct balance will make your horse work better. If you want to settle for mediocre and what you are doing works for you don't change. I think the person in question is trying to improve. I see the girl on the gray with her inside toe pointing down?.... I don't think her toe is down so much as she's really using that inside leg on her horse and her foot is level in the stirrup
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redmansmyman11 - 2014-09-01 12:02 AM stayceem - 2014-08-31 10:03 PM streakysox - 2014-08-31 10:38 PM Let me correct what I said--yes you do stay in the saddle by weight on your stirrups, but more important you maintain proper balance. I probably have taken 20,000 barrel racing pictures so I went back through a few for examples. I will tell you that 1D horses take spectacular pictures and all the others are good. If you understand what I am saying. Note their toes are NOT pointed down. The gal on the gray horse has overall perfect form. To get this you have to have your weight on your outside stirrup. The little girl on the bay is about 6 years old and since she is Josey trained she was started right. The other one has good form too. I did include one picture where the girl's feet are pointed down and overall form is not that good. Her legs are in the correct position though. The paint horse is my horse at the APHA world show ridden by my trainer. Her feet are not pointed down either. (He is Reserve World Champion) What I am trying to say is that correct balance will make your horse work better. If you want to settle for mediocre and what you are doing works for you don't change. I think the person in question is trying to improve. I see the girl on the gray with her inside toe pointing down?.... I don't think her toe is down so much as she's really using that inside leg on her horse and her foot is level in the stirrup
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| sodapop - 2014-09-01 12:08 AM
redmansmyman11 - 2014-09-01 12:02 AM stayceem - 2014-08-31 10:03 PM streakysox - 2014-08-31 10:38 PM Let me correct what I said--yes you do stay in the saddle by weight on your stirrups, but more important you maintain proper balance. I probably have taken 20,000 barrel racing pictures so I went back through a few for examples. I will tell you that 1D horses take spectacular pictures and all the others are good. If you understand what I am saying. Note their toes are NOT pointed down. The gal on the gray horse has overall perfect form. To get this you have to have your weight on your outside stirrup. The little girl on the bay is about 6 years old and since she is Josey trained she was started right. The other one has good form too. I did include one picture where the girl's feet are pointed down and overall form is not that good. Her legs are in the correct position though. The paint horse is my horse at the APHA world show ridden by my trainer. Her feet are not pointed down either. (He is Reserve World Champion) What I am trying to say is that correct balance will make your horse work better. If you want to settle for mediocre and what you are doing works for you don't change. I think the person in question is trying to improve. I see the girl on the gray with her inside toe pointing down?.... I don't think her toe is down so much as she's really using that inside leg on her horse and her foot is level in the stirrup
Yeah my toe tips down when I use my leg I guess is my point. My outside toe is up... i think thats common which I guess was what i was trying to say...
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Someone should tell this lady that she's riding poorly. I wonder if you would consider this horse a true 1D horse.
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| I watched an episode of Horse Country USA on RFD-TV with Kendra Dickson. She gave quite a long talk and explanation of proper foot placement in the stirrup. It was interesting. Her comments about those who do not put their foot in the stirrup properly were interesting as well. I can't find any video of her episode online anywhere or I would post it.
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| sodapop - 2014-08-31 11:16 PM Technically the balls of your feet should be on the stirrup. Most folks push their feet in further. Most of the pictures posted above show the feet further in the stirrups than we are supposed to ride...... The true heels down, balls of feet on the stirrup.
If you are having success, then keep on trucking. If you aren't then make adjustments as needed.
this is how my feet are. if we are out riding all day I will have the worst knee aches from constanty pushing down in the stirrup. I have a habit of tipping my toes out and i think from pointing them out and pushing my heels down I tweek my knees. I can tell when i'm out of position in a turn because i'll lose a stirrup in a run, I think its because I only have my toes in(i don't use rubber bands) and if im sitting wrong or have my weight balanced wrong they'll come out everytime.
In this picture my outside foot is to far in the stirrup but... we do what we can to be as close to perfect as possible
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| CYA Ranch - 2014-09-01 8:30 AM Someone should tell this lady that she's riding poorly. I wonder if you would consider this horse a true 1D horse.
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| FlyingJT - 2014-09-01 9:39 AM sodapop - 2014-08-31 11:16 PM Technically the balls of your feet should be on the stirrup. Most folks push their feet in further. Most of the pictures posted above show the feet further in the stirrups than we are supposed to ride...... The true heels down, balls of feet on the stirrup.
If you are having success, then keep on trucking. If you aren't then make adjustments as needed. this is how my feet are. if we are out riding all day I will have the worst knee aches from constanty pushing down in the stirrup. I have a habit of tipping my toes out and i think from pointing them out and pushing my heels down I tweek my knees. I can tell when i'm out of position in a turn because i'll lose a stirrup in a run, I think its because I only have my toes in (i don't use rubber bands ) and if im sitting wrong or have my weight balanced wrong they'll come out everytime. In this picture my outside foot is to far in the stirrup but... we do what we can to be as close to perfect as possible
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | sodapop - 2014-09-01 9:54 AM FlyingJT - 2014-09-01 9:39 AM sodapop - 2014-08-31 11:16 PM Technically the balls of your feet should be on the stirrup. Most folks push their feet in further. Most of the pictures posted above show the feet further in the stirrups than we are supposed to ride...... The true heels down, balls of feet on the stirrup.
If you are having success, then keep on trucking. If you aren't then make adjustments as needed. this is how my feet are. if we are out riding all day I will have the worst knee aches from constanty pushing down in the stirrup. I have a habit of tipping my toes out and i think from pointing them out and pushing my heels down I tweek my knees. I can tell when i'm out of position in a turn because i'll lose a stirrup in a run, I think its because I only have my toes in (i don't use rubber bands ) and if im sitting wrong or have my weight balanced wrong they'll come out everytime. In this picture my outside foot is to far in the stirrup but... we do what we can to be as close to perfect as possible
I was just reaching for my glasses, I thought those were bells but couldn't see well enough. LOL
I love the dislikes I get for posting pictures of CJ with "gasp" her toes down!!! Gee wonder who gave me those. To the OP...I don't think its a matter of your friends toes being down I think she needs to look at the fact that her feet are getting behind her. I'd try shortening her stirrups a tad and see if it helps.
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| sodapop - 2014-09-01 9:54 AM
FlyingJT - 2014-09-01 9:39 AM sodapop - 2014-08-31 11:16 PM Technically the balls of your feet should be on the stirrup. Most folks push their feet in further. Most of the pictures posted above show the feet further in the stirrups than we are supposed to ride...... The true heels down, balls of feet on the stirrup.
If you are having success, then keep on trucking. If you aren't then make adjustments as needed. this is how my feet are. if we are out riding all day I will have the worst knee aches from constanty pushing down in the stirrup. I have a habit of tipping my toes out and i think from pointing them out and pushing my heels down I tweek my knees. I can tell when i'm out of position in a turn because i'll lose a stirrup in a run, I think its because I only have my toes in (i don't use rubber bands ) and if im sitting wrong or have my weight balanced wrong they'll come out everytime. In this picture my outside foot is to far in the stirrup but... we do what we can to be as close to perfect as possible
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | CYA Ranch - 2014-09-01 9:59 AM sodapop - 2014-09-01 9:54 AM FlyingJT - 2014-09-01 9:39 AM sodapop - 2014-08-31 11:16 PM Technically the balls of your feet should be on the stirrup. Most folks push their feet in further. Most of the pictures posted above show the feet further in the stirrups than we are supposed to ride...... The true heels down, balls of feet on the stirrup.
If you are having success, then keep on trucking. If you aren't then make adjustments as needed. this is how my feet are. if we are out riding all day I will have the worst knee aches from constanty pushing down in the stirrup. I have a habit of tipping my toes out and i think from pointing them out and pushing my heels down I tweek my knees. I can tell when i'm out of position in a turn because i'll lose a stirrup in a run, I think its because I only have my toes in (i don't use rubber bands ) and if im sitting wrong or have my weight balanced wrong they'll come out everytime. In this picture my outside foot is to far in the stirrup but... we do what we can to be as close to perfect as possible
I love the dislikes I get for posting pictures of CJ with "gasp" her toes down!!! Gee wonder who gave me those. To the OP...I don't think its a matter of your friends toes being down I think she needs to look at the fact that her feet are getting behind her. I'd try shortening her stirrups a tad and see if it helps.
That one special disliker has been hitting all the threads,lol, they have nothing better to do... 
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | OldSchoolCowgirl - 2014-08-31 8:26 PM I have a friend whose toes point downward and she kind of rolls forward over her ankle when she turns around a barrel during a run. That makes her feet go behind her. She is driving herself crazy trying to figure out what she needs to adjust to make that not happen. Are her stirrups too long? Should she try different stirrups? She is using the wider aluminum ones with the grip in the bottom right now. Can anyone help?
But the point was her feet are also going backwards so I stand with what I said. I know girls that ride in a long stirrup and their toes are down but they are still balanced. They have strong cores and if your feet are going backwards most likely you are getting tipped forward. You will see this in many older riders as they lose their upper body strength. After not running a horse for 4 years, I felt like whiplash as I felt I had no control of my body. If I decide to run again I will be hitting the gym to get my upper body strength strong again. There's a real missing link in my core strength..LOL |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-31 11:10 PM stayceem - 2014-08-31 11:05 PM OldSchoolCowgirl - 2014-08-31 8:26 PM I have a friend whose toes point downward and she kind of rolls forward over her ankle when she turns around a barrel during a run. That makes her feet go behind her. She is driving herself crazy trying to figure out what she needs to adjust to make that not happen. Are her stirrups too long? Should she try different stirrups? She is using the wider aluminum ones with the grip in the bottom right now. Can anyone help? If its both toes, I think shes probably not using her core and shes likely riding on her crotch vs her seat bones when sitting around a barrel. without a picture, its hard to tell though
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CYA Ranch - 2014-09-01 8:30 AM Someone should tell this lady that she's riding poorly. I wonder if you would consider this horse a true 1D horse.
If you look closely her inside foot is not pointing down. Since she has her foot deep in the stirrup and has so much weight on her out side foot the boot is actually down.
It just so happened that that Ken McNabb was in RFD last night talking about foot placement in the stirrup. He was working with a girl and told her to get more on the ball of her foot to keep her toes from pointing down and help with her seat. He did say that he prefers to ride with his feet deeper in the stirrup but that wasn't going to work for her. Yes, you do ride on the balls of your foot in W Pleasure, and English classes--that is pretty much a requirement and you train yourself to keep your heels down and toes pointed in. Foot placement in the stirrup in barrel racing is a whole other story. That is personal choice. |
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Let me correct what I said--yes you do stay in the saddle by weight on your stirrups, but more important you maintain proper balance. I probably have taken 20,000 barrel racing pictures so I went back through a few for examples. I will tell you that 1D horses take spectacular pictures and all the others are good. If you understand what I am saying. Note their toes are NOT pointed down. The gal on the gray horse has overall perfect form. To get this you have to have your weight on your outside stirrup. The little girl on the bay is about 6 years old and since she is Josey trained she was started right. The other one has good form too. I did include one picture where the girl's feet are pointed down and overall form is not that good. Her legs are in the correct position though. The paint horse is my horse at the APHA world show ridden by my trainer. Her feet are not pointed down either. (He is Reserve World Champion) What I am trying to say is that correct balance will make your horse work better. If you want to settle for mediocre and what you are doing works for you don't change. I think the person in question is trying to improve.
I see the girl on the gray with her inside toe pointing down?....
Her inside toe is actually pointed OUT. When a horse is leaning that much yeah it will be pointed toward the ground.
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| sodapop - 2014-09-01 12:08 AM
redmansmyman11 - 2014-09-01 12:02 AM stayceem - 2014-08-31 10:03 PM streakysox - 2014-08-31 10:38 PM Let me correct what I said--yes you do stay in the saddle by weight on your stirrups, but more important you maintain proper balance. I probably have taken 20,000 barrel racing pictures so I went back through a few for examples. I will tell you that 1D horses take spectacular pictures and all the others are good. If you understand what I am saying. Note their toes are NOT pointed down. The gal on the gray horse has overall perfect form. To get this you have to have your weight on your outside stirrup. The little girl on the bay is about 6 years old and since she is Josey trained she was started right. The other one has good form too. I did include one picture where the girl's feet are pointed down and overall form is not that good. Her legs are in the correct position though. The paint horse is my horse at the APHA world show ridden by my trainer. Her feet are not pointed down either. (He is Reserve World Champion) What I am trying to say is that correct balance will make your horse work better. If you want to settle for mediocre and what you are doing works for you don't change. I think the person in question is trying to improve. I see the girl on the gray with her inside toe pointing down?.... I don't think her toe is down so much as she's really using that inside leg on her horse and her foot is level in the stirrup
Redman can you read? I posted in my original post that the girl in that picture had her feet pointed down. |
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10D Crack Champion
| streakysox - 2014-09-01 1:55 PM bennie1 - 2014-09-01 9:53 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-09-01 8:30 AM Someone should tell this lady that she's riding poorly. I wonder if you would consider this horse a true 1D horse.
If you look closely her inside foot is not pointing down. Since she has her foot deep in the stirrup and has so much weight on her out side foot the boot is actually down. It just so happened that that Ken McNabb was in RFD last night talking about foot placement in the stirrup. He was working with a girl and told her to get more on the ball of her foot to keep her toes from pointing down and help with her seat. He did say that he prefers to ride with his feet deeper in the stirrup but that wasn't going to work for her. Yes, you do ride on the balls of your foot in W Pleasure, and English classes--that is pretty much a requirement and you train yourself to keep your heels down and toes pointed in. Foot placement in the stirrup in barrel racing is a whole other story. That is personal choice.
Look at pictures of Kendra Dickson. She barely puts her foot in the stirrup. On the Horse Country USA tv show she basically instructed the heels down, balls of the foot in the stirrup while barrel racing as well. She was very specific about foot placement in the stirrup. I just can't find it online anywhere or I would post it.
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Sock Snob
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| My opinion is,that when you go into a barrel you use you leg to lift the rib cage and when go into a barrel you also go from fast to gathered which will tip you forward. Therfore you a
So drop you weight. So, toes down is not a bad thing in, y opinion. I have riden for 45 years and english for the first 20 at home and at a college also did aqha and those girls hated me as i could do some equiatation just did not have the best horse. I did learn a lot how to be soft on a horses back something some engish people cant do today as they clutch with there body and hands. I just wish i was 20 years younger. I looked around at my house at all the pictures and my toe is down on all of them and for many years never had to use rubber bands. And picture of a lot of different horses. Over 30years of barrel racing and different horses, bits and saddles my toe is always down. i think that is a natural position. Go back and look at all barrel racing pic in barrel horse news and you will find out. |
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Location: midwest mama | OH MY GOSH............
Thank you all for your replies. Great information for my friend.
Update - she ran at a race today and the same thing happened. I watched it.
She set her feet before she took off to the first barrel, they got behind her coming around #1 and by the time she got to #2 barrel she was pitched forward and her feet were WAY back behind her. Not good.
Anyway, there was a lady there who specializes in and sells a lot of the Contender saddles, and she said that her saddle seat is too big for her. Also, the stirrups/leathers are stretched out and are able to go back way too far. So what she thinks is happening is that she is tipping forward toward the swells because of the slack in the seat, and then with the stirrups/leathers being so sloppy her feet go behind her. Or visa versa.
Does that make sense to you all? |
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