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Location: NY | Does anybody know what the temperament of horses out of High Brow Hickory are like? My horse has Hollywood Dun It as his sire's grandsire and High Brow Hickory (sire of High Brow Cat) is my horse's grandsire. The reason im asking is because my horse started out calm and when he turned 5, he went crazy! I love him to death but I kinda wanna know if it's just him or if other High Brow horses are the same way. Oakley (my horse) used to have a bucking problem, but now its a rearing problem (sometimes so high we almost flip over) He is not in a harsh bit (snaffle) because hes really light in the mouth. He's also really really really herd/barn sour. |
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Location: Freestone TX | I just sold a Highbrow CD 4 yr old today....and she was REALLY, REALLY, REALLY buddy sour. It was the reason I sold her. I didn't want to go to the barn and listen to all that screaming and watch her act like she was going to jump out of her pen. |
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| Ive always found the high brow horses to be senstive, not in a soft mind way but it dosent take much to get a HUGE response. Ive also found them to be pretty watchie.
Ive never gotten in trouble with one, but I feel like they would not handle bad luck (a odd wreck for example) very well.
However a good horse falling apart dosent have much to do with pedigree IMO.
Did anything happen to him? |
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Location: NY | When he was five the main problem was being buddy sour and he would buck when I asked him to lope (I worked him out of it). But then we moved from Georgia to upstate NY and that's when he turned AWFUL. He can't be kept in a herd because he tries to kill everybody, he turned super studdy, and he has very little respect for me. He turned into a complete jerk. He keeps throwing himself out (chiropractor has to come out often) he kicks fences, gets "excited" every time a mare walks by him at a show, and he tore down the electric fencing the other day. I don't know what has gotten into him. Maybe he just hates the farm he's at now. I'm about to move him to another farm because he is causing too much damage at this one and the barn owner hates him with a passion. I had to quit training him for barrels because I can't trust him and I don't want him to kill me. Since January all I have done with him is English stuff and slow work. |
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Location: Okla | I have a mare that is also bred high brow and I love love her, but my grand daughter who runs her in barrels and poles hates her. She doesn't do anything bad, just a personality conflict . Mine to has to be kept in a pasture by herself as she does not want any friends, but yet can be tied next to another horse and she is fine. She gives 100 percent every time she is ridden and totally depends on me and just hearing my voice makes everything in her world seem ok-if that makes sense to you. Other people have told me you either love the breeding or hate it, just know it works for me. Sorry you are having so much problems with yours and I hope things work out for you.. |
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Location: Central Montana | I've ridden a few Hollywood Dun It horses and I none of them have been that way, but have not rode any High Brow horses. |
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Location: Kansas | My husband's heel horse is a High Brow Cat grandson. He's beautiful and well mannered......does everything he's asked willingly. |
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| I would test testosterone levels and see if the horse has developed a Tumor on the kidney that can cause a horse to be study, or if he was gelded improperly, maybe only one testicle was removed and he is a crypt.
I would eliminate all medical issues before blaming the horse.
Then if it is not medical I would chalk it up to him being a gelding and he will be one of those horses that cannot be around mares.
It sounds like you are young and inexperienced, you may need to find a good ranch hand to get him out of the buddy sour, it is doable, sometimes discipline is needed, but you need an experienced person to do the disciplining as there is a fine line between abuse and tuning. |
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Location: NY | I've been riding for 9 years, but I've never dealt with a horse quite like him. It's always something new with him. But I talked to his previous owners and they said that he wasn't gelded until he was 3. But why would he all of a sudden start acting studdy in NY and not in GA? |
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| rodeocowgirl68 - 2014-09-01 6:00 PM
I've been riding for 9 years, but I've never dealt with a horse quite like him. It's always something new with him. But I talked to his previous owners and they said that he wasn't gelded until he was 3. But why would he all of a sudden start acting studdy in NY and not in GA?
It's not the years that give you the experience it is what you have done during those years.
I know many people who have rode for 20 plus years that are inexperienced as they ride well trained trail horses, and have never taken a clinic, or tried to better their skills.
Rearing up and misbehaving can be taught to any horse, the aggressiveness could be a medical issue, and the stress of moving could have triggered it. I suggest speaking with a vet and ruling out anything medical.
I know some studs that didn't act study till 5 or 6 yrs, and it may have been just been a concidense. I would make sure the vet examines him to make sure he is not a crypt. |
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| We own and have stood a HBH son for 15 years and raised lots of babies. They have been even tempered and sensitive as Della says. Goin Jettin's sister has one of his foals. I've not seen them to be herd bound, any more than any other bloodline or act in any way crazy. My experience is that most behavior problems are human caused, not due to bloodline. I'm not implying that you caused the problem, so please don't be offended. |
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| della - 2014-08-31 10:06 PM
Ive always found the high brow horses to be senstive, not in a soft mind way but it dosent take much to get a HUGE response. Ive also found them to be pretty watchie.
Ive never gotten in trouble with one, but I feel like they would not handle bad luck (a odd wreck for example) very well.
However a good horse falling apart dosent have much to do with pedigree IMO.
Did anything happen to him?
Have a grandson of Highbrow Hickory who is Tanqueray Gin on the bottom. Watchy and wouldn't want to get in a wreck with him is exactly how I would describe him. He is also very smart and athletic. |
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| I bought a Highbrow Hickory bred filly in the spring, sold her 3 months later. She was an oversensitive nervous wreck when she was away from home. She was 4 and only had 60 days when I got her. I hauled her extensively and every time it was something ridiculous. Crawling through the trailer window, pulling back and wiping out other horses, flipped herself over, but this was only when she was alone.
But boy oh boy, home arena she would drag her butt and boogie. One of the most athletic horses I've every had the pleasure of owning. But I didn't have the time to deal with the away from home antics. Wish I bought her younger, I think if she had more time and hauling it would have been a whole different story. I see her current owners have her up for sale now, so I guessing they didn't have much luck either. 
In the end, I would absolutely buy another Highbrow bred prospect, BUT I would want a weanling/yearling. |
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Location: Deep South | I have rode roughly 40? gets/grandgets of Highbrow Cat, including mares,geldings, and studs, and not ONE of them acted like you are describing your horse, so no, I would definitely not blame it on his bloodlines.
I agree with Cheryl that it could be a medical issue. For example if the move was stressful on him he could have developed ulcers, and ulcers could cause all of the behavioral problems you have mentioned.
However, I am more inclined to think that this is an environmental issue. After reading all the information you provided about his background he started acting like this not too long after you purchased him. Not immediately, but not that long after. I have seen this happen a lot when a good horse goes to a new home. I'm not trying to place the blame on anyone by any means, just trying to help. But maybe asking someone with credentials in training horses, not just someone who SAYS they're an awesome horse trainer, to help you with him, and help you put some manners back in him. It can be a change in diet, change in the amount of exercise/turnout, change in how he was used to a firm hand and you are more gentle, etc, etc. But a truly great horse person will be able to see all of these things in the big picture and help you with them. |
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| BamaCanChaser - 2014-09-02 9:43 AM I have rode roughly 40? gets/grandgets of Highbrow Cat, including mares,geldings, and studs, and not ONE of them acted like you are describing your horse, so no, I would definitely not blame it on his bloodlines. I agree with Cheryl that it could be a medical issue. For example if the move was stressful on him he could have developed ulcers, and ulcers could cause all of the behavioral problems you have mentioned. However, I am more inclined to think that this is an environmental issue. After reading all the information you provided about his background he started acting like this not too long after you purchased him. Not immediately, but not that long after. I have seen this happen a lot when a good horse goes to a new home. I'm not trying to place the blame on anyone by any means, just trying to help. But maybe asking someone with credentials in training horses, not just someone who SAYS they're an awesome horse trainer, to help you with him, and help you put some manners back in him. It can be a change in diet, change in the amount of exercise/turnout, change in how he was used to a firm hand and you are more gentle, etc, etc. But a truly great horse person will be able to see all of these things in the big picture and help you with them.
This is exactly what I was thinking .... |
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