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 Not Afraid to Work
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Horse was sore intermittently in his lower lumbar/sacrum area. No sign of performance issues but had him adjusted. 2 weeks later the horse took a spill (likely the adjustment probably didnt stick). Horse showed no signs of soreness after and has competed since and done well.
Now hes been kinda on break... just been trailriding and flat work. No need to really practice. However, now hes showing a lot of soreness in his sacrum/hip area. Not so much to palpation but when you run like a finger nail along the area you get quite a response.
He was given 4-5 days off just to see. It got a little better but still winds up sore with work. Started to think maybe he could work on his top line and hes been being lunged with long lines and over groundpoles.
Also... hes had some soreness in his girth area (like the six pack type muscles horse get under their belly). When massaged, he seems to relax and it obviously feels better.
Same saddle for 5 years, hes eating... even with the soreness hes picking up leads, collecting, back, stopping on his hind end, etc. He hasnt been run in 3 weeks now and hasnt had any performance issues whatsoever....
Vet appointment tomorrow and just wondering if anyone has dealt with something similar.
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| I also should add the chiro/vet from previous did a little bit of testing and said his hocks seem pretty good. He worked on another horse who does have bad hocks and his test did identify it without us telling him.
The horse has always been a bit cinchy but lately with those sore muscles but lately feels a bit more sensitive. If massaged out and tighten slowly, hes totally fine.
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Location: OH. IO | whirlbone possibly? |
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Not Afraid to Work
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| jake16 - 2014-09-03 7:23 PM
whirlbone possibly?
Never heard of that... quick google search and states its caused by a stifle and/or hock injury/lameness.
This horse had a full workup in the spring with no signs showing unless its occured in the past 2 months and escalates quickly? |
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Go Get Em!
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Location: OH. IO | sacroiliac pain is difficult, I had a gelding showing signs like yours,injected whirlbone and did ok, but not great. Also had a mare treated with injections in her back for an injury she recieved at a trailer, she still gets injections in her back,makes a world of difference,but we did the complete series of xrays,and ultrasounds, which i would definatly recommend.Keep us posted, im always interested in the updates,never to old to learn! Prayers for you and your horse,hope he is pain free soon!! |
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| jake16 - 2014-09-03 7:48 PM
sacroiliac pain is difficult, I had a gelding showing signs like yours,injected whirlbone and did ok, but not great. Also had a mare treated with injections in her back for an injury she recieved at a trailer, she still gets injections in her back,makes a world of difference,but we did the complete series of xrays,and ultrasounds, which i would definatly recommend.Keep us posted, im always interested in the updates,never to old to learn! Prayers for you and your horse,hope he is pain free soon!!
Thank you. Its been really stressful because if I didnt poke at him all the time I probably wouldnt have even noticed because there is no change in his behavior and its just weird that now... hes showing soreness when hes working less. He was still being conditioned but I feel its less strenous than competing and practicing etc.
Even when I get the reaction, its not a big reaction ... its just the squirmy kinda flinch. No head jerk or actual drop in his stance.
Thanks for your kind words. Ive been lucky this year, up til now |
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| I am dealing with an IDENTICAL issue. I've injected every thing from back to the hocks, including SI joint. The soreness is always there...but I have to look for it. He doesn't "tell" me. I've had him looked at by 4 different reputable vets, chiros, and alternative medicine docs. No answers and very frustrating! |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | could be front end soreness. My gelding just saw a chiro today. He has been dragging hind toes terribly since mid July. Spent $500 on a vet and couldn't find anything wrong back there but we did find stretched ligaments on his lower pastern/into the coffin bone area on a front foot. Chiro checked him out and all seems well although a bit sore. We think it is from over bearing weight to compensate for that front foot. After the chiro, he loaded on the trailer and back off 3hrs later without dragging hind feet. PRAYING he holds. When that front foot quits bothering him, I find a saddle that fits him, hopefully we will be ready to rock and roll.
So I am saying it could literally be anywhere. |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2014-09-03 10:30 PM
could be front end soreness. My gelding just saw a chiro today. He has been dragging hind toes terribly since mid July. Spent $500 on a vet and couldn't find anything wrong back there but we did find stretched ligaments on his lower pastern/into the coffin bone area on a front foot. Chiro checked him out and all seems well although a bit sore. We think it is from over bearing weight to compensate for that front foot. After the chiro, he loaded on the trailer and back off 3hrs later without dragging hind feet. PRAYING he holds. When that front foot quits bothering him, I find a saddle that fits him, hopefully we will be ready to rock and roll.
So I am saying it could literally be anywhere.
Well and this did happen to him... this spring when he had the workup, it was because he was moving very strangely. It was like he was heavy on his forehand which isnt him. He wasnt necessarily lame and his SI joint area was really sore. I suspected SI/Chiro issues/etc although my gut said feet.
After the workup, the vet asked questions about him. He wears corrective shoes due to a conformation flaw in his front end from check ligament surgery. He goes barefoot in the winter. Vet said that he thinks his feet are sore or experiencing some kind of discomfort (as he wasnt lame per say) and hes just plain body sore from compensating. Put shoes back on, few days of bute and WALA... been fine all season.
But hes wearing the corrective shoes which have worked for 3 years now, so in a way I hope thats not it... because then back to that drawing board.
ill say a prayer for your guy! Its hard seeing them in pain.
ETA - when i squeeze his SI - i dont get the same kinda response as I did in the spring. Not that that means anything... he seems more muscle sore which still could be from over compensating.
Edited by stayceem 2014-09-03 10:50 PM
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| recarlerrab - 2014-09-03 10:22 PM
I am dealing with an IDENTICAL issue. I've injected every thing from back to the hocks, including SI joint. The soreness is always there...but I have to look for it. He doesn't "tell" me. I've had him looked at by 4 different reputable vets, chiros, and alternative medicine docs. No answers and very frustrating!
That sounds really frustrating. I hope it doesnt go that far. This has just really started and its just odd that its flared up since I've lessened his workload. I ran him on Aug 16 and he had one of his fastest runs ever in that pen. He hasnt been run since then, just trail ridden and flat work. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | stayceem - 2014-09-03 9:40 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-09-03 10:30 PM could be front end soreness. My gelding just saw a chiro today. He has been dragging hind toes terribly since mid July. Spent $500 on a vet and couldn't find anything wrong back there but we did find stretched ligaments on his lower pastern/into the coffin bone area on a front foot. Chiro checked him out and all seems well although a bit sore. We think it is from over bearing weight to compensate for that front foot. After the chiro, he loaded on the trailer and back off 3hrs later without dragging hind feet. PRAYING he holds. When that front foot quits bothering him, I find a saddle that fits him, hopefully we will be ready to rock and roll.
So I am saying it could literally be anywhere. Well and this did happen to him... this spring when he had the workup, it was because he was moving very strangely. It was like he was heavy on his forehand which isnt him. He wasnt necessarily lame and his SI joint area was really sore. I suspected SI/Chiro issues/etc although my gut said feet. After the workup, the vet asked questions about him. He wears corrective shoes due to a conformation flaw in his front end from check ligament surgery. He goes barefoot in the winter. Vet said that he thinks his feet are sore or experiencing some kind of discomfort (as he wasnt lame per say ) and hes just plain body sore from compensating. Put shoes back on, few days of bute and WALA... been fine all season. But hes wearing the corrective shoes which have worked for 3 years now, so in a way I hope thats not it... because then back to that drawing board. ETA ill say a prayer for your guy! Its hard seeing them in pain.
Oh thank you! That is very kind :) I hope you get it figured out as well. |
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| I just watched a video from that hair analysis - and the vet on there showed all the ulcer points and why some horses are so sore - and we have a hard time figuring it out - you might want to check it out sounds like same spots to me  |
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| shilohorse - 2014-09-03 11:24 PM
I just watched a video from that hair analysis - and the vet on there showed all the ulcer points and why some horses are so sore - and we have a hard time figuring it out - you might want to check it out sounds like same spots to me
Is there a link or something? I am not sure I know what you're talking about |
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| It is on you tube. Dapaulo Eqiine. Not sure if I spelled it correctly. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Mine had a pelvis injury. Have them do a rectal and check the symmetry of his pelvis |
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| Any update or answers on the SI soreness? |
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Location: Nebraska | make sure your saddle tree isn't broken! Same thing happened to me and I found out my tree was broken. We couldn't figure out why my mare was so backsore when NOTHING had changed. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | I recently read a report from the research at the last olympics, in a nut shell we are causing problems at the ribs and creating lower back issues by the incorrect placement of our cinches. They want us to use longer cinches and have the buckles higher and protected. |
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| I would be taking him back to the vet after the spill, as I would think the spill may exacerbated or is the direct reason for the pain.
My guess
Si first
Pelvis second
Hocks/stifles third
Due to the pain, he may be having stomach issues causing the cinching, I was at a seminar saying the large intestine and cecum are where the cinch goes, if they become cinchy it can be a hind gut issue so hind gut ulcers which are more difficult to cure |
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Location: Piedmont, OK | I would think SI or Whorl bone (its not an actual bone) Alot of horses have whorlbone issues that work off of their hind end |
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You might need to take a step back and reframe your mind to the most simple thing. I know this is not always the case, but I saw one last week that reminded me to start at the basic level.
A horse was brought into Dr. White's clinic. He had been ducking the first barrel and they had injected his hocks and stifles three different times..What I saw casually observing were unlevel feet, angles that could be causing problems, and conformation issues that simply may make that colt more prone to soreness.
Dr. White put the Lameness Locator on him and it showed NOTHING. So back to square one...think it through again, the colt is so sore in his back and over his hips that he will nearly drop to his belly when you palpate him, but the Lameness Locator says that he's traveling sound.
Dr. White found a severe urinary tract infection. |
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Lumbar/Sacrum soreness