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| I saw this on Facebook and it had me scratching my head. Some sellers are putting clauses in contracts. In the clause the buyer agrees to putting $200 aside in an account for humane euthenasia. The clause also states that the buyer in not allowed to sell the horse at auction or to anyone else as a middle man for auction. They say it's to stop slaughter. Once the horse no longer serves a purpose, the $200 can be used to put the horse down (after the buyer contacts the seller and the seller agrees that the horse is too old and has no purpose). If the horse dies of natural causes (and the seller is given proof), the $200 is put in a 501 c and it is given to a horse rescue of the sellers choice. Thoughts? Would you sign this type of contract? |
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 Undercover Amish Mafia Member
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Location: Kansas | ummm wtf?
I'm going to have to shake my head at some of the things people come up with. I can understand of course if the horse is being leased, but not if someone...say spent $5,500 on a horse...I don't understand why the seller has a say in what happens to the horse once it leaves the property and they have cash in hand?! |
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Nope I would never sign a contract, any contract, once I buy a horse its mine and nobody will be telling me how to do things. |
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 Hugs to You
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Way too many details for me. |
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  Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Some have too much time on their hands. I think all the anti slaughter peeps should have to use their savings to take in all the slaughter bound horses, you know the ones that are meaner than a snake etc, and feed them until they die of natural causes at the ripe old age of 35. Sounds fair.
Saving the good ones is great, but they can't all be saved. I have a mean old SOB here in our pasture that belongs to my brother in law. Hasn't been ridden in 15yrs. Has caused many a vet bill to my good ones. Would love to see that POS loaded up on a truck...he was just born nasty. |
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 Shelter Dog Lover
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| Why don't they put in a clause of first rights to buy back if horse is ever sold?? Sure sounds complicated or they could just keep their horse... Edited to add that although I am one of the biggest animal lovers out there, this just irritates me for some reason. I am not a fan of horses going to slaughter but I also realize that there are things worse than that kind of death- slowly starving to death, abused and neglected, better off sent to slaughter than a sad and painful existence.
Edited by rodeomom3 2014-09-11 3:10 PM
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 Crazy Chicken Chick
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| That's ridiculous! If I buy it, it's MY horse. Now mind you, I will do everything in my power for a horse, but sometimes there are worse things than death, and if I feel like my horse will suffer by not putting it down, I will make the decision to do what is humanely kind. NObody has any business telling me what I can and can't do with MY horse. (not talking about neglect, mistreatment, etc) |
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 Angel in a Sorrel Coat
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Location: In a happy place | Crazy. |
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 If it Ain't a Paint it Ain't!
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Location: Mansfield, Tx | Nope.... would never sign it...
I would look at another horse... |
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 Cute Little Imp
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Location: N Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2014-09-11 3:04 PM
Nope I would never sign a contract, any contract, once I buy a horse its mine and nobody will be telling me how to do things.
Ditto. If they want to retain that much control over the horse, they're gonna have to keep it themselves!
Are these private sellers or rescues? I know some rescues have crazy applications and requirements. |
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 You get what you give
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Location: Texas | No. When I buy something it becomes mine and my responsibility to do what I want with it. If you want that many strings attached then you probably shouldn't be selling it in the first place. If you want THAT much control over what happens to the horse, you are best keeping it and feeding it yourself. |
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 Friendly horse swapper
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Location: Buffalo, TX | If I had to put all those clauses in a contract, I would just keep the horse and retire it myself, or lease it out and retain control over his future.....when I buy a horse, I own every hair on him and when I sell a horse, the new owner owns every hair on him....I wouldn't be part of that BS.....jmo..... |
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Saint Stacey
| As near as I can tell, this clause thing was started by a rescue. But now people are following their lead because they think it will stop horses from being sent to Mexico. I was floored when I was reading it.
Edited by SKM 2014-09-11 3:38 PM
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| Helz no! |
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | If it were a horse I loved deeply, but could no longer keep, I would euthenize myself. |
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Elite Veteran
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| I mean, I've put in a clause for first right to buy back if they ever sold, but this contract is just ridiculous. |
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Location: Desert Land | I would not buy a horse whose sale was contingent on the terms of this type of agreement. I write contracts for a living and have done quite a few sales contracts for friends and clients and this is definitely off the wall and unreasonable in my opinion. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I'm ok with a first right of refusal to previous owner. This crap is crazy tho. |
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 Total Germophobe
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Location: Montana | I wouldn't sign something like that. It seems a little over the top for me. |
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| OMG and WTH?????? Once I buy the horse or sell a horse the owner does as they choose to. If they want that they can keep it. I love the no slaughter people and the hollywood bozo's that didn't want slaughter I think we should drop those horses off at their house and let them have all of them.  |
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Nut Case Expert
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Anyone that wants to control the destiny of a horse until they die, needs to retain ownership. No way in heck would I become involved with such a control freak. |
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 I Sell Dreams
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Location: Freestone TX | And who controls the $200? Seller or Buyer? If Seller does....I can see that money going right into their own pockets. Then Seller refuses any future communication. Nope. Would rather see a right of first refusal on future sale. |
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 The Vaccinator
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | TheOldGrayMare - 2014-09-11 3:40 PM
I would not buy a horse whose sale was contingent on the terms of this type of agreement. I write contracts for a living and have done quite a few sales contracts for friends and clients and this is definitely off the wall and unreasonable in my opinion.
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The Vaccinator
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | So... the next thing that will be in contracts is the required type / brand of feed... how much... the designated vet... size of pasture / paddock... type of bit.... ????
I would not - ever - sign a contract that required that I leave control of the horse with the previous owner. |
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 Money Eating Baggage Owner
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Location: Phoenix | I agree....some people have too much time on their hands. |
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 Texas Tenderheart
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Location: Red Raiderland | What area of the country is this happening in?!?! I'm with others, some people have WAY TOO much time on their hands.  |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Even first right of refusal sucks. They jack the price up so you can't afford to buy them back. They were only worth xxx when you sold them, but now that they're 4654964561654 years older and in worse shape, they are worth 4 times what they paid. I don't think so. Just walk away and don't look back. Or don't sell them in the first place.  |
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 The Color Specialist
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | Not just no but HELL NO. If I buy it, it is MINE to do with as I see fit. Same if I sell one, it is THEIRS period. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Interesting. Having worked for a rescue I imagine it started there. I think its appropriate for a rescue contract, a regular one, mm, maybe not so much. But if the buyer is willing to agree I don't know that it's my business. Everyone has the right to agree to whatever terms they want and ask the same. Anyone can refuse to do the deal.
Edited by oija 2014-09-12 8:21 AM
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| Thats crazy. Ive seen the seller have the first right of refusal. Ive seen sale ads have some funky wording lately...... Like you have to pay $50-$100 to ride the horse. Really? Good luck on that one. |
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 Loves to compete
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Location: Oakdale, CA | thats ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!
If I send a horse to slaughter. there is a damn good reason!
Maybe the horses they are selling already have a major problem.........
geesh all these people against horse slaughter are always big preachers of womans right to choose.......... |
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 Husband Spoiler
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Location: North Dakota | oija - 2014-09-12 8:20 AM Interesting. Having worked for a rescue I imagine it started there. I think its appropriate for a rescue contract, a regular one, mm, maybe not so much. But if the buyer is willing to agree I don't know that it's my business. Everyone has the right to agree to whatever terms they want and ask the same. Anyone can refuse to do the deal.
I agree. I guess it is the seller's horse and she can put whatever she wants in a contract and if the buyer is willing to agree to it then that is their business. |
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 Ima Fickle Fan
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Location: Texas | $200 won't even begin to cover humane euthanasia. It would cover the bullet, but not the gun. And even then, you still have disposal costs.
I wouldn't sign it, but I'd be surprised that it would be enforceable. If you want that much control, keep the animal. I also wouldn't sign it because I would be concerned about the headaches people like this would cause even after the sale. |
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Extreme Veteran
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| I wouldn't even consider the horse, I'd just pass right on by their ad. I have bought a horse with a buy back contract before. Horse was at a farm where they "rescued". She was thin, covered in rainrot, absolutely no shelter and surprise found out months later she was bred by one of there many mutt stallions. I sold the horse later on, but not back to them, so yes I broke the contract. That was 6 years ago and never once heard from them and never will. |
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New twist on contract and would you buy?