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Location: Kansas | If you saw the breeding in a mare that you were looking to breed....would it turn you away? Say to cross her on a running bred stud?
Super nice red roan mare, 16hh at 4 years old. But zippo pine bar bred. |
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Location: Midwest | I probably wouldn't go looking for it in a barrel prospect. He was the leading sire of western pleasure QH's.. not sure if he still holds that title. |
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Location: Kansas | Yeah kinda what I was thinking....shes a super nice red roan mare, and athletic....hancock bred on the bottom side, zippo pine bar on the top side. |
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Location: Arkansas | The mare I used to run was Zippo Pine Bar and Impressive on the top and Tinys Gay and Rocket Wrangler on the bottom. She had plenty of speed. If I like the mare and was keeping the foal, I wouldn't let it stop me. Probably not the best for resale though. Zippo Pine Bar's sire Zippo Pat Bars was a racehorse. |
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Location: GODS country | hoofs_in_motion - 2014-09-12 8:20 AM
If you saw the breeding in a mare that you were looking to breed....would it turn you away? Say to cross her on a running bred stud?
Super nice red roan mare, 16hh at 4 years old. But zippo pine bar bred.
What is her registered name? Might help to see what else is in her pedigree. |
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Location: Kansas | Nevermind, she is zan parr bar on the bottom side. Not hancock.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sah+handsome+chipzip |
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| I'm pretty 'meh' on the pedigree. She would have to have been a winner for me and I love love love her to breed her. Knowing that I would have to keep the foal and give it skills or marketability would be limited. |
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Location: Kansas | bennie1 - 2014-09-12 9:19 AM I'm pretty 'meh' on the pedigree. She would have to have been a winner for me and I love love love her to breed her. Knowing that I would have to keep the foal and give it skills or marketability would be limited.
I see your point, I agree with you there. I'm more of a blue valentine/driftwood/two eyed jack/jackie bee bred mares for breeding kinda gal. It's just really hard to find a new blue valentine bred mare, that isn't going to cost me a liver to buy!!! LMAO |
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| Oh come on...do you really even need your liver?! |
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2014-09-12 9:24 AM bennie1 - 2014-09-12 9:19 AM I'm pretty 'meh' on the pedigree. She would have to have been a winner for me and I love love love her to breed her. Knowing that I would have to keep the foal and give it skills or marketability would be limited. I see your point, I agree with you there. I'm more of a blue valentine/driftwood/two eyed jack/jackie bee bred mares for breeding kinda gal. It's just really hard to find a new blue valentine bred mare, that isn't going to cost me a liver to buy!!! LMAO
Ah, I see. |
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Location: Kansas | Whiteboy - 2014-09-12 9:35 AM Oh come on...do you really even need your liver?!
with how much I love beer.....................yes  |
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Location: GODS country | bennie1 - 2014-09-12 9:19 AM
I'm pretty 'meh' on the pedigree. She would have to have been a winner for me and I love love love her to breed her. Knowing that I would have to keep the foal and give it skills or marketability would be limited.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I would run far far away as a breeding prospect for barrels, unproven. There might be smoke. I might try her to see if she liked the pattern, but I sure wouldn't buy her just to breed her without trying to prove her first. Now if I was showing horses that would be another matter. |
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Location: God's country | Zippo Pine Bar's sire, Zippo Pat Bars was a racehorse. Had a 95 si, I believe. His owner bought Poco Pine mares to cross on him and they became famous as performance horses.(pleasure, etc.) I just bought a filly who is bred Zippo Pat Bars on her sire's side. I'm sure there should be some speed there, so I'm definitely going to try mine. Not mainstream bloodlines, but with the right cross you could sure have a nice baby. |
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Location: Home on the Range | hoofs_in_motion - 2014-09-12 9:20 AM If you saw the breeding in a mare that you were looking to breed....would it turn you away? Say to cross her on a running bred stud?
Super nice red roan mare, 16hh at 4 years old. But zippo pine bar bred.
I Had a ZIPPO PINE BAR mare that had lots of speed. Zippo Pine Bar's Sire is ZIPPO PAT BARS who was a Triple AAA Racehorse with a Speed Index of 95. |
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Location: USA | downngo - 2014-09-12 1:31 PM
hoofs_in_motion - 2014-09-12 9:20 AM If you saw the breeding in a mare that you were looking to breed....would it turn you away? Say to cross her on a running bred stud?
Super nice red roan mare, 16hh at 4 years old. But zippo pine bar bred.
I Had a ZIPPO PINE BAR mare that had lots of speed. Zippo Pine Bar's Sire is ZIPPO PAT BARS who was a Triple AAA Racehorse with a Speed Index of 95.
I agree, we have a mare Zippo Pine Bar Bred top and bottom and let me tell you that horse is a 20-21 second pole horse and 2D barrel horse. She's got a lot of run to her. I think Zippo Pine Bar is a lot like Impressive both of them were bred to run but they were used for different things and their offspring just excelled at what the sire did, doesn't mean that they can't book it towards a barrel or pole and then turn on a dime and win against high-dollar race horses.
But then again it really depends on the horse...
Edited by RodeoRider97 2014-09-12 1:51 PM
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| Sorry but thus thread has me scratching my head. Zippo Pine Bar was foaled in something like 1969. That was over 45 years ago. The pleasure horses of the 70's and 80's were nothing like the pleasure horse of today. The Zippo Pine Bar horses were just really nice all around horses back in their day. Most of the really slow legged pleasure horses of today that have him the the pedigree have him through his two most predominate pleasure during sons, Zips Chocolate Chip and Zippos Mr Goodbar. I have a grand daughter of Zippo Pat Bars that is an 87 model. She has AQHA points in 10 events. Yes, she pleasured. But she also had points in barrels, poles and reining. Like I said, true all around horses. There is no way with what she is she could probably get a pleasure point by today's standards.
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| I'll start by saying I don't know a whole lot about the Zippo Pine Bar lines, but given ZPB is the 4th generation back, I don't think he has much of an influence on this mare. |
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| My comments were more because she is a great great granddaughter of Zippo Pine Bar, and I didn't see much to turn my head closer up. ... |
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Location: on a hill | I have 2 zippo bred horses. I wouldn't hesitate to take another. 1 is 19yrs old, he's zippo on top and impressive on the bottom. He was 2d/3d in his day. I bought a sibling to him 2yrs ago, same sire but cutting/reining on the bottom. Hes just being seasoned so i can't say where he falls yet. They both are quirky though but have a whole lot of try in them with big hearts. |
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Location: Texas | Her pedigree isn't my style as far as breeding for resale goes. But there are people out there who look for the run/cow or run/performance pedigree. |
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| I bought my mom a double bred Zippo Pine Bar gelding and he's pretty darn nice. She is not an aggressive rider and he runs 3D with her, but has run 2D at times. I truly believe with an aggressive rider who would kick and really drive him, he'd be top of the 2D. He's pretty to look at too. And can eat up a pole pattern as well. |
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