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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Let me preface this by saying this is just my opinion. First, we hear this story about this monster Ray Price punching his girlfriend (after she supposedly punched him) in the elevator. The NFL suspends him for two games. Now this video of the incident gets out and he's suspended indefinitely. NFL commissioner Roger Godell is taking heat for the incident because he supposedly lied when he said he hadn't seen the video before the 2 game suspension was acted upon. Everyone in the media is calling for his head, demanding he either be fired or resign. Why? Because he "lied to the American people"! Now, word gets out that Adrian Peterson spanked his kid viciously with a switch, causing abrasions on his back, ass, and scrotum. The Vikings, being aware of the current climate in the media, summarily "de-activates" Peterson, seeminly as an attempt to be pre-emptive and avoid the consternation of the media and the public. No doubt, there will be calls for banning Peterson as well. I have three thoughts that have come to mind regarding both incidents.
Why is it that Godell is expected to be either fired or resign for "lying to the American people", while our President clearly has lied about matters much more critical to the American people? Am I the only one who sees this as a glaring double-standard, and a clear indicator of how sick and twisted we have become when it comes to our priorities?
Second, I don't know if Peterson is a monster of some sort, or if this purported "child abuse" is blown out of proportion. Why is it that the verdict has already been passed down and a judgement issued on a matter that has yet to be decided in court? As far as I know, in this country, isn't a person innocent until proven guilty? Again, why doesn't the same set of standards apply to our politicians? After all, what they do is far more consequential to the American people than the actions of a professional athlete, right? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Third, I bet a lot of us had our asses whupped when we were kids.....and we probably benefitted from it. In my opinion, there isn't enough ass whupping....and there isn't enough parenting, particularly in the African-American community.
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | The marks left on the 4 yr. old, go beyond a spanking. He condones it, admitted to it, said he'd whip them like he as was whipped growing up. Multiple bleeding slashes from the switch up and down that 4 yr. olds legs and hands, bruises on other parts of his body aren't "a spanking" as most would define it. He's not got enough sense to know the difference. He was quoted after the child abuse death of his 2 yr. old son that he wanted to be a better man and leader to his kids, a better example for God. So much for that yet. | |
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| Tilt The Kilt - 2014-09-14 10:16 AM The marks left on the 4 yr. old, go beyond a spanking. He condones it, admitted to it, said he'd whip them like he as was whipped growing up. Multiple bleeding slashes from the switch up and down that 4 yr. olds legs and hands, bruises on other parts of his body aren't "a spanking" as most would define it. He's not got enough sense to know the difference. He was quoted after the child abuse death of his 2 yr. old son that he wanted to be a better man and leader to his kids, a better example for God. So much for that yet.
I was thinking it was him who had the 2 year old abused and killed by a boyfriend of the baby's mother. | |
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Location: n.c. | Also, why would you marry a man the day after he knocked you unconscious. What is wrong with people.
As for the double standard; there is no standard for the potus. Apparently.
As for asking for the head of Godell. Get a life people. More important things than this on the horizon. | |
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| I think Ray Rice should be held accountable just like any person who abuses someone. I know he isn't the only NFL player who is breaking the law. All professional athetes, celebrities, politicians, etc. should be held to the same standard as everyone else and face the same consequences. If there had not been a video of Rice hitting his girlfriend in the elevator, there wouldn't be such as uproar. I don't think men should hit women, but I also don't think women should hit men. She of course did him no harm.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | My point was that there is an assumption of guilt. I don't think Peterson killed his 2 yr old son. In other words, is it right that someone should be punished for an accusation? I haven't seen any photos of the kid. I know I had many ass tannings as a kid, and a lot of them left marks. I want to see photos and know more before I declare a man guilty and punish him before he has a chance to defend himself. | |
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Location: The edge of no where | HotBear - I was inclined to agree with you in the beginning...but then I saw the pictures of the kid. I have absolutely no problem with spanking, but I have a huge problem with leaving bloody welts on a 4 yo. He's 4 for goodness sakes, the adult involved lost self control. The NFL needs cleaned up...it's nothing more than a bunch of thugs. | |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-09-14 10:49 AM My point was that there is an assumption of guilt. I don't think Peterson killed his 2 yr old son. In other words, is it right that someone should be punished for an accusation? I haven't seen any photos of the kid. I know I had many ass tannings as a kid, and a lot of them left marks. I want to see photos and know more before I declare a man guilty and punish him before he has a chance to defend himself. The pictures are probably available online. I saw them on the news. There were several obvious marks with broken skin & looked like dried blood. Those were just the ones on the area of the body that could be shown. He has taken full responsibility for this already.
He did not kill his 2 year old son. That son was killed by abuse from the mother's boyfriend. I don't think he really had much of a relationship with that child because possibly he didn't know he even existed until the child was about a year and a half old or so.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | sodapop - 2014-09-14 10:48 AM
I think Ray Rice should be held accountable just like any person who abuses someone. I know he isn't the only NFL player who is breaking the law. All professional athetes, celebrities, politicians, etc. should be held to the same standard as everyone else and face the same consequences. If there had not been a video of Rice hitting his girlfriend in the elevator, there wouldn't be such as uproar. I don't think men should hit women, but I also don't think women should hit men. She of course did him no harm.
First, they punished him with a 2 game suspension. Then once the video got out he was suspended I definitely. Also, the woman hit him first, plus she went ahead and married the guy. Is his being banned indefinitely a proportionate punishment? What should the punishment be for a man who, say, b!tch slaps a woman for hitting him with a closed fist? | |
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HotBear - I was inclined to agree with you in the beginning...but then I saw the pictures of the kid. I have absolutely no problem with spanking, but I have a huge problem with leaving bloody welts on a 4 yo. He's 4 for goodness sakes, the adult involved lost self control. The NFL needs cleaned up...it's nothing more than a bunch of thugs.
I agree....so he has been convicted already.....why bother with trials? That's my point. Why doesn't this kind of standard apply to everyone....including politicians? | |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-09-14 10:54 AM sodapop - 2014-09-14 10:48 AM I think Ray Rice should be held accountable just like any person who abuses someone. I know he isn't the only NFL player who is breaking the law. All professional athetes, celebrities, politicians, etc. should be held to the same standard as everyone else and face the same consequences. If there had not been a video of Rice hitting his girlfriend in the elevator, there wouldn't be such as uproar. I don't think men should hit women, but I also don't think women should hit men. She of course did him no harm.
First, they punished him with a 2 game suspension. Then once the video got out he was suspended I definitely. Also, the woman hit him first, plus she went ahead and married the guy. Is his being banned indefinitely a proportionate punishment? What should the punishment be for a man who, say, b!tch slaps a woman for hitting him with a closed fist?
Yes, she hit him first, but I don't think his hit back was self-defense. His life was not in danger. So the she started it arguement holds no weight here. Even though I don't think women should hit men either. I guess the police could have gotten her for hitting him as well on a much lesser charge.... I don't know, but he should not have hit her back. Heck even JayZ didn't hit Solange Knowles while she was hitting and kicking him in an elevator.
Why this woman went ahead and married this guy, I have no idea.
They are discussing on tv right now why some guys in the NFL are still getting to play after things they've done. Good points. If Ray Rice is out, then so should the others who have done similar things.
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | HotbearLVR - 2014-09-14 10:49 AM My point was that there is an assumption of guilt. I don't think Peterson killed his 2 yr old son. In other words, is it right that someone should be punished for an accusation? I haven't seen any photos of the kid. I know I had many ass tannings as a kid, and a lot of them left marks. I want to see photos and know more before I declare a man guilty and punish him before he has a chance to defend himself.
No he didn't kill his 2 yr. old he beat his 4 yr. old. He said he whipped him and caused the wounds. I don't equate his admission of that act to a giant leap of tried and convicted and assumption of guilt from the rest of us. He's removed from one damn game because he was out of town in jail the day before. Big deal. The world will keep turning.
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| Why is the focus in both theses cases on the NFL? IMO both these cases should be in front of the prosecutor. Both of the players broke the law. Why does everyone want Godell's head? Where the heck is the law enforcement? In the Rice case the wife would not file charges Ok but the prosecutor sure as heck can. In the Peterson case charges have rightly filed. IMO both of these guys need to serve time in jail for their actions. But why is it the job of the NFL commissioner to enforce the law. The NFL should suspend them both and leave it up to the courts. | |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-09-14 10:57 AM MS2011 - 2014-09-14 10:52 AM HotBear - I was inclined to agree with you in the beginning...but then I saw the pictures of the kid. I have absolutely no problem with spanking, but I have a huge problem with leaving bloody welts on a 4 yo. He's 4 for goodness sakes, the adult involved lost self control. The NFL needs cleaned up...it's nothing more than a bunch of thugs. I agree....so he has been convicted already.....why bother with trials? That's my point. Why doesn't this kind of standard apply to everyone....including politicians?
I don't think Peterson has been convicted of anything yet. He was arrested and admitted to going overboard with this spanking.
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| geronabean - 2014-09-14 11:11 AM More kids need spankins. I won't disagree with you there, but this spankin' went too far in my opinion.
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Please don't assume that I'm condoning ANYTHING done by these players. I'm just saying, it's not the first time.
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| geronabean - 2014-09-14 11:11 AM
More kids need spankins.
I agree but in this case it went way beyond a spanking it IMO it was assault. Look at the pictures of the kid it was way beyond what any four year old deserved. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | jbhoot - 2014-09-14 11:08 AM Why is the focus in both theses cases on the NFL? IMO both these cases should be in front of the prosecutor. Both of the players broke the law. Why does everyone want Godell's head? Where the heck is the law enforcement? In the Rice case the wife would not file charges Ok but the prosecutor sure as heck can. In the Peterson case charges have rightly filed. IMO both of these guys need to serve time in jail for their actions. But why is it the job of the NFL commissioner to enforce the law. The NFL should suspend them both and leave it up to the courts.
Is it because we feel helpless as we have lost control of our government and we are lashing out and going to the extremes with people that we can hold accountable? I wish everyone would put this much effort into getting our country back.
The NFL is an employer and nothing more and I agree it's not their job to enforce the law.
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Location: California | Nevertooold - 2014-09-15 9:24 AM jbhoot - 2014-09-14 11:08 AM Why is the focus in both theses cases on the NFL? IMO both these cases should be in front of the prosecutor. Both of the players broke the law. Why does everyone want Godell's head? Where the heck is the law enforcement? In the Rice case the wife would not file charges Ok but the prosecutor sure as heck can. In the Peterson case charges have rightly filed. IMO both of these guys need to serve time in jail for their actions. But why is it the job of the NFL commissioner to enforce the law. The NFL should suspend them both and leave it up to the courts.
Is it because we feel helpless as we have lost control of our government and we are lashing out and going to the extremes with people that we can hold accountable? I wish everyone would put this much effort into getting our country back.
The NFL is an employer and nothing more and I agree it's not their job to enforce the law.
This statement is true in theory, but not in practice. As a high school teacher, it is so disturbing to me to see my students sport the jerseys of players like Michael Vick. The kids idolize these men for their athletic abilities and many of them do not consider anything past that.
It is so disturbing. I have to give Kraft and the Patriots a huge kudos for how they handled the Aaron Hernandez jersey situation. It was really good of them to try to get as many of those jerseys off the streets as they could. | |
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Location: WYOMING | Thinking if there were more spankins handed out maybe the regular mobs of 300+ gangs that happen around here might save the cops from "abusing" or heck even killing the occasional law breaker. | |
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| phillyincal - 2014-09-14 11:48 AM
Nevertooold - 2014-09-15 9:24 AM jbhoot - 2014-09-14 11:08 AM Why is the focus in both theses cases on the NFL? IMO both these cases should be in front of the prosecutor. Both of the players broke the law. Why does everyone want Godell's head? Where the heck is the law enforcement? In the Rice case the wife would not file charges Ok but the prosecutor sure as heck can. In the Peterson case charges have rightly filed. IMO both of these guys need to serve time in jail for their actions. But why is it the job of the NFL commissioner to enforce the law. The NFL should suspend them both and leave it up to the courts.
Is it because we feel helpless as we have lost control of our government and we are lashing out and going to the extremes with people that we can hold accountable? I wish everyone would put this much effort into getting our country back.
The NFL is an employer and nothing more and I agree it's not their job to enforce the law.
It is so disturbing. I have to give Kraft and the Patriots a huge kudos for how they handled the Aaron Hernandez jersey situation. It was really good of them to try to get as many of those jerseys off the streets as they could.
I am sorry for going off topic here. I will say one thing Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson seem to have remorse, but Hernandez never showed any softening at all during his whole ordeal. He was downright scary. | |
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Location: California | sodapop - 2014-09-15 9:51 AM phillyincal - 2014-09-14 11:48 AM Nevertooold - 2014-09-15 9:24 AM jbhoot - 2014-09-14 11:08 AM Why is the focus in both theses cases on the NFL? IMO both these cases should be in front of the prosecutor. Both of the players broke the law. Why does everyone want Godell's head? Where the heck is the law enforcement? In the Rice case the wife would not file charges Ok but the prosecutor sure as heck can. In the Peterson case charges have rightly filed. IMO both of these guys need to serve time in jail for their actions. But why is it the job of the NFL commissioner to enforce the law. The NFL should suspend them both and leave it up to the courts.
Is it because we feel helpless as we have lost control of our government and we are lashing out and going to the extremes with people that we can hold accountable? I wish everyone would put this much effort into getting our country back.
The NFL is an employer and nothing more and I agree it's not their job to enforce the law.
It is so disturbing. I have to give Kraft and the Patriots a huge kudos for how they handled the Aaron Hernandez jersey situation. It was really good of them to try to get as many of those jerseys off the streets as they could. I am sorry for going off topic here. I will say one thing Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson seem to have remorse, but Hernandez never showed any softening at all during his whole ordeal. He was downright scary.
Yes definitely! Not trying to go OT with that example, but I totally agree. My husband's a Pats fan and we watched a lot of that coverage and yes, that man is a very scary person. | |
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| geronabean - 2014-09-14 11:50 AM Thinking if there were more spankins handed out maybe the regular mobs of 300+ gangs that happen around here might save the cops from "abusing" or heck even killing the occasional law breaker. The number of gangs seem to be increasing in all areas. That is scary. They are not just in the large inner cities anymore. I'm not sure what has led them to crime, but knowing they can get away with most of it probably is an incentive to pursue it. Probably the same reason so many dishonest politicians can do what they do...... they end up getting away with it.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | phillyincal - 2014-09-14 11:48 AM Nevertooold - 2014-09-15 9:24 AM jbhoot - 2014-09-14 11:08 AM Why is the focus in both theses cases on the NFL? IMO both these cases should be in front of the prosecutor. Both of the players broke the law. Why does everyone want Godell's head? Where the heck is the law enforcement? In the Rice case the wife would not file charges Ok but the prosecutor sure as heck can. In the Peterson case charges have rightly filed. IMO both of these guys need to serve time in jail for their actions. But why is it the job of the NFL commissioner to enforce the law. The NFL should suspend them both and leave it up to the courts.
Is it because we feel helpless as we have lost control of our government and we are lashing out and going to the extremes with people that we can hold accountable? I wish everyone would put this much effort into getting our country back.
The NFL is an employer and nothing more and I agree it's not their job to enforce the law.
It is so disturbing. I have to give Kraft and the Patriots a huge kudos for how they handled the Aaron Hernandez jersey situation. It was really good of them to try to get as many of those jerseys off the streets as they could.
You hit the nail on the head….The NFL is an EMPLOYER…..They have “employed” big, bad, mean, steroid induced BULLIES who have beat women, beat (not just spanked) children, shot people, killed people in drunken car wrecks, arrested in bar fights, fought and killed dogs, etc, etc, etc…..Perhaps the “FAN BASE”, who, ultimately, pays their wages, has finally said……..it is time to clean up the game. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | NJJ - 2014-09-14 11:59 AM phillyincal - 2014-09-14 11:48 AM Nevertooold - 2014-09-15 9:24 AM jbhoot - 2014-09-14 11:08 AM Why is the focus in both theses cases on the NFL? IMO both these cases should be in front of the prosecutor. Both of the players broke the law. Why does everyone want Godell's head? Where the heck is the law enforcement? In the Rice case the wife would not file charges Ok but the prosecutor sure as heck can. In the Peterson case charges have rightly filed. IMO both of these guys need to serve time in jail for their actions. But why is it the job of the NFL commissioner to enforce the law. The NFL should suspend them both and leave it up to the courts.
Is it because we feel helpless as we have lost control of our government and we are lashing out and going to the extremes with people that we can hold accountable? I wish everyone would put this much effort into getting our country back.
The NFL is an employer and nothing more and I agree it's not their job to enforce the law.
It is so disturbing. I have to give Kraft and the Patriots a huge kudos for how they handled the Aaron Hernandez jersey situation. It was really good of them to try to get as many of those jerseys off the streets as they could.
I can see both your point and Pllyincal's point. I'm not a fan of football, baseball, or basketball. I think they are all over paid and a bit of a joke. Michael Vick is an evil POS but in reality..I think the fans will stand behind any of this thugs just like they did Vick. It seems it's the rest of us that demand justice. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | geronabean - 2014-09-14 11:50 AM Thinking if there were more spankins handed out maybe the regular mobs of 300+ gangs that happen around here might save the cops from "abusing" or heck even killing the occasional law breaker.
I totally agree about spankings but there is a huge difference in a good old spanking versus physical abuse.
As far as Chicago...They are nothing but a bunch of animals and besides throwing them in jail and throwing the key away I don't see much hope there. They are what they are. | |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | jbhoot - 2014-09-14 11:08 AM Why is the focus in both theses cases on the NFL? IMO both these cases should be in front of the prosecutor. Both of the players broke the law. Why does everyone want Godell's head? Where the heck is the law enforcement? In the Rice case the wife would not file charges Ok but the prosecutor sure as heck can. In the Peterson case charges have rightly filed. IMO both of these guys need to serve time in jail for their actions. But why is it the job of the NFL commissioner to enforce the law. The NFL should suspend them both and leave it up to the courts.
Finally the voice of reason. Seems to me if the law took appropriate action the NFL's response would become a mute point. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Nevertooold - 2014-09-14 12:36 PM geronabean - 2014-09-14 11:50 AM Thinking if there were more spankins handed out maybe the regular mobs of 300+ gangs that happen around here might save the cops from "abusing" or heck even killing the occasional law breaker. I totally agree about spankings but there is a huge difference in a good old spanking versus physical abuse.
As far as Chicago...They are nothing but a bunch of animals and besides throwing them in jail and throwing the key away I don't see much hope there. They are what they are.
It's one thing to blister a butt so they're reminded of it every time they sit down for a few days (and I can't imagine doing even that much to a 4 year old...those kind of transgressions happen with older kids, not little ones), and something else altogether to draw blood. | |
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Location: your guess is as good as mine | sodapop - 2014-09-14 10:02 AM Why this woman went ahead and married this guy, I have no idea.
They are discussing on tv right now why some guys in the NFL are still getting to play after things they've done. Good points. If Ray Rice is out, then so should the others who have done similar things.
LOL - I can tell you why...same reason she's so upset he's not getting to play (and therefore not getting paid)... 
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Ok, so these professional athletes are punished for bad behavior. They are expected to set good examples and be role models. OK, fair enough. I can handle that. What about our politicians?
Bill Clinton was guilty of perjury. His conduct while in office was despicable....but the cry went out that it was a private matter, and it was "just sex", etc.... He got away with it. he was let off the hook. In fact, his popularity rose after his scandals. Why wasn't he punished for his allegations? Sure, he had to go through the investigations by Starr, the scorn, the humiliation....but in the end, he got off scot free, except for what amounted to a slap in the wrist.
Mark Sanford, possibly one of the biggest scum sucking hypocrites in the history of politics, lied to public when he went AWOL and disappeared to see his mistress. He said he went for a hike in the Appalachians. He denied using public funds to see his mistress, but that was determined to be a lie as well. Ultimately, he was rewarded for his lies and malthesence by getting elected to the United States Congress.
Charlie Rangel cheated on his taxes, while serving as chairman of the House Ways and Means committee......the one that sets tax policies. Was he "punished"? Not really. He's still a US Congressman.
Barack Obama's lies and deceptions cannot be denied.......yet, there was no consequence.
Richard Nixon was dead-in-the-water of criminal acts, and could have been prosecuted after he resigned ......but he was pardoned.
Now, we have football players who are programmed to be aggressive and even take steroids that alter their behavior into a more animalistic human being.....and one guy punches his girlfriend (after she punched him) and he is basically stripped of his career....largely because of "public outrage". Peterson goes overboard and abuses his child....they are calling of the same thing.
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Location: Arkansas | HotbearLVR - 2014-09-14 10:49 AM My point was that there is an assumption of guilt. I don't think Peterson killed his 2 yr old son. In other words, is it right that someone should be punished for an accusation? I haven't seen any photos of the kid. I know I had many ass tannings as a kid, and a lot of them left marks. I want to see photos and know more before I declare a man guilty and punish him before he has a chance to defend himself.
Doc, I saw the pictures of the kid. They were all over the internet. That wasn't a tree branch he used on the kid. It was an old fashion switch, the leaves peel off, just like a whip. And those "branchs" can cut the skin and leave a hell of a mark. As evidence by the pictures of that kid's behind.
The worst my mother threatened to use on me was a fly swater! The kind you killed fly's with. I used a plastic one on my youngest when he'd run off and I'd have to leave his baby brother to hunt him up. I'd swish that fly swater at his leg's as he ran for home (and missed most of the time.)
In our travels, we lived close to a Army Medic. He said never use your hand on a child. You'd miss the butt you were aiming at and hit their back. Causing bleeding of the kidneys. It's hard to hit a dancing behine. If you had to use your hand, swat their thigh. If you had to use something else, a folded web belt was sufficent. Never ever disipline in anger. Your brain's fall out and you lose all reasoning. | |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-09-14 1:18 PM Ok, so these professional athletes are punished for bad behavior. They are expected to set good examples and be role models. OK, fair enough. I can handle that. What about our politicians? Bill Clinton was guilty of perjury. His conduct while in office was despicable....but the cry went out that it was a private matter, and it was "just sex", etc.... He got away with it. he was let off the hook. In fact, his popularity rose after his scandals. Why wasn't he punished for his allegations? Sure, he had to go through the investigations by Starr, the scorn, the humiliation....but in the end, he got off scot free, except for what amounted to a slap in the wrist. Mark Sanford, possibly one of the biggest scum sucking hypocrites in the history of politics, lied to public when he went AWOL and disappeared to see his mistress. He said he went for a hike in the Appalachians. He denied using public funds to see his mistress, but that was determined to be a lie as well. Ultimately, he was rewarded for his lies and malthesence by getting elected to the United States Congress. Charlie Rangel cheated on his taxes, while serving as chairman of the House Ways and Means committee......the one that sets tax policies. Was he "punished"? Not really. He's still a US Congressman. Barack Obama's lies and deceptions cannot be denied.......yet, there was no consequence. Richard Nixon was dead-in-the-water of criminal acts, and could have been prosecuted after he resigned ......but he was pardoned. Now, we have football players who are programmed to be aggressive and even take steroids that alter their behavior into a more animalistic human being.....and one guy punches his girlfriend (after she punched him) and he is basically stripped of his career....largely because of "public outrage". Peterson goes overboard and abuses his child....they are calling of the same thing. This is what chaps my ass. It's due to celebrity, money, social media, popularity, and cause. Those political things you mentioned for example are not known by as many as you would think. I truly believe more adults are interested in sports and celebrity in general than politics. Even when a political issue makes headlines it isn't shared on social media and discussed like celebrity incidents. Just look at how much interest the selfie of Ellen Degeneres and other celebs at the Oscars had early this year. It was talked about for weeks, overloaded twitter, and the majority of the public knew about it because they wanted to know about it.
Organizations such as domestic abuse organizations can use this high public event to make a point and when they do more people will notice or listen because more people are interested in the celebrity of it all. The organizations know how much the U.S. society in general idolizes its celebrities. The organizations know that society will give these beloved celebs a free pass for bad behavior & possibly even condone it. I mean Ray Rice socked this girl good, drug her out of the elevator face down (while she was out cold), and plopped her face down on the ground with no concern for her well being and women were singing his praises on the news wearing his jersey in a news report.
With social media, more people even not interested in sports will know what has happened and have an opinion since more people will share and discuss these incidents due to the celebrity aspect.
This is also an opportunity for anti-sports people to say football promotes violence. Everyone has a platform or an angle. The fact that these athletes get paid so much money to "play a game" also upsets people and they are looking for any reason to point out their faults.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | One thing you almost never hear about is this kind of conduct with the Minnesota Twins. They have always been a class act. They give back to the community in so many ways, and even when they have had a bad year on the field, they still exude class and humility. It comes from the top and trickles down. Former Twins who end up playing for other organizations still exude class. It's almost like you can pick them out of a crowd. Major League Baseball is full of former Minnesota Twins who conduct themselves the way we would like to see all professional athletes conduct themselves. If some ball player in the organization shows signs of being a bad apple, he doesn't stick around very long....but those instances are very rare, probably because they get weeded out promptly. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I believe in corporal punishment. I'm not condoning bloody beatings, if that's what happened with Peterson, but in my opinion, this notion that kids shouldn't be spanked doesn't seem to be working very well.
I have a feeling that if Dylan Klebald and Eric Harris would have gotten their butts kicked by their parents a time or two, we might not have seen Columbine. Same thing with inner city kids.
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| sodapop - 2014-09-14 2:19 PM
HotbearLVR - 2014-09-14 1:18 PM Ok, so these professional athletes are punished for bad behavior. They are expected to set good examples and be role models. OK, fair enough. I can handle that. What about our politicians? Bill Clinton was guilty of perjury. His conduct while in office was despicable....but the cry went out that it was a private matter, and it was "just sex", etc.... He got away with it. he was let off the hook. In fact, his popularity rose after his scandals. Why wasn't he punished for his allegations? Sure, he had to go through the investigations by Starr, the scorn, the humiliation....but in the end, he got off scot free, except for what amounted to a slap in the wrist. Mark Sanford, possibly one of the biggest scum sucking hypocrites in the history of politics, lied to public when he went AWOL and disappeared to see his mistress. He said he went for a hike in the Appalachians. He denied using public funds to see his mistress, but that was determined to be a lie as well. Ultimately, he was rewarded for his lies and malthesence by getting elected to the United States Congress. Charlie Rangel cheated on his taxes, while serving as chairman of the House Ways and Means committee......the one that sets tax policies. Was he "punished"? Not really. He's still a US Congressman. Barack Obama's lies and deceptions cannot be denied.......yet, there was no consequence. Richard Nixon was dead-in-the-water of criminal acts, and could have been prosecuted after he resigned ......but he was pardoned. Now, we have football players who are programmed to be aggressive and even take steroids that alter their behavior into a more animalistic human being.....and one guy punches his girlfriend (after she punched him) and he is basically stripped of his career....largely because of "public outrage". Peterson goes overboard and abuses his child....they are calling of the same thing. This is what chaps my ass. It's due to celebrity, money, social media, popularity, and cause. Those political things you mentioned for example are not known by as many as you would think. I truly believe more adults are interested in sports and celebrity in general than politics. Even when a political issue makes headlines it isn't shared on social media and discussed like celebrity incidents. Just look at how much interest the selfie of Ellen Degeneres and other celebs at the Oscars had early this year. It was talked about for weeks, overloaded twitter, and the majority of the public knew about it because they wanted to know about it.
Organizations such as domestic abuse organizations can use this high public event to make a point and when they do more people will notice or listen because more people are interested in the celebrity of it all. The organizations know how much the U.S. society in general idolizes its celebrities. The organizations know that society will give these beloved celebs a free pass for bad behavior & possibly even condone it. I mean Ray Rice socked this girl good, drug her out of the elevator face down (while she was out cold), and plopped her face down on the ground with no concern for her well being and women were singing his praises on the news wearing his jersey in a news report.
With social media, more people even not interested in sports will know what has happened and have an opinion since more people will share and discuss these incidents due to the celebrity aspect.
This is also an opportunity for anti-sports people to say football promotes violence. Everyone has a platform or an angle. The fact that these athletes get paid so much money to "play a game" also upsets people and they are looking for any reason to point out their faults.
The Romans built the Coliseum to entertain the masses and kept their minds off the politico. Not much different than today. And the media falls for it hook line and sinker. | |
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My feeling is that the big difference is not so much that we try to hold athletes to a higher standard but in the nature of the incidents. Yes politicians lie, cheat, & steal...and perhaps we have just come to expect that and tend to turn more of a blind eye to it when it happens - however those aren't physical incidents. Yes it makes me mad that they get off scott-free, and I'm not saying people don't get hurt in some way...but the cases with AP and RR are far different. My gut feeling is that both instances were one-time deals involving a moment of extreme rage...but what if I'm wrong? These are extremely strong, powerful athletes that make a living by playing a violent sport - they could quite easily kill someone with their bare hands if they lose their minds. Next time it might not be welts but a broken arm, or a broken leg, or heaven-forbid a broken neck for that little boy...or a fall down the stairs or worse for Ray Rice's wife. Do I think either player should be banned for life? Not at all...but the punishment needs to be severe enough to make them stop and think if they're ever in the same situation again - and a 2-game suspension is less than a slap on the wrist for these guys...THAT'S what people are upset with Goodell about. If making them sit out a 1/2 season or a full season will make them take a step back the next time they reach that point, or encourage them to get help for their tempers (& I'm including Ray Rice's wife in that...that's a f***ed up relationship if ever I saw one) - then it'll be worth it.
As far as all football players being thugs - there are far more hard-working, decent players than there are "thugs". Unfortunately they aren't deemed "headline-worthy" by the media so you never hear about the majority of them...and equally unfortunately that leads to the youth looking up to the thugs instead of the actual pros. | |
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Location: oklahoma | HotbearLVR - 2014-09-14 10:54 AM sodapop - 2014-09-14 10:48 AM I think Ray Rice should be held accountable just like any person who abuses someone. I know he isn't the only NFL player who is breaking the law. All professional athetes, celebrities, politicians, etc. should be held to the same standard as everyone else and face the same consequences. If there had not been a video of Rice hitting his girlfriend in the elevator, there wouldn't be such as uproar. I don't think men should hit women, but I also don't think women should hit men. She of course did him no harm.
First, they punished him with a 2 game suspension. Then once the video got out he was suspended I definitely. Also, the woman hit him first, plus she went ahead and married the guy. Is his being banned indefinitely a proportionate punishment? What should the punishment be for a man who, say, b!tch slaps a woman for hitting him with a closed fist?
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Location: oklahoma | Nevertooold - 2014-09-14 8:24 PM What does it mean when they say the NFL deactivated a player?
They can only keep so many on their active squad that suit up for games, I think, 50. So, they're deactivated and can only practice. I'm thinking too, that they can be picked up by another team. ( I may be wrong, lol
lets face it, athletes get by with a lot, even in the high school level. They can't spell or read some times, but come Friday night, they're magically electable. Been happening since the day one.... Nowadays, it's a multi million dollar 'job'. I'm not putting sports down by any means, my dad was the first 4 sport letterman here in our town, now it's a 6a school. We've all played, 4 generations now and have had our college paid for, but if it weren't for good judgement and butt bushings, lol..... Sports teaches a lot of life lessons but it's only as good as you make it. Anything in excess is bad for a soul. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | CurlyQ - 2014-09-14 9:08 PM Nevertooold - 2014-09-14 8:24 PM What does it mean when they say the NFL deactivated a player? They can only keep so many on their active squad that suit up for games, I think, 50. So, they're deactivated and can only practice. I'm thinking too, that they can be picked up by another team. ( I may be wrong, lol
lets face it, athletes get by with a lot, even in the high school level. They can't spell or read some times, but come Friday night, they're magically electable. Been happening since the day one.... Nowadays, it's a multi million dollar 'job'. I'm not putting sports down by any means, my dad was the first 4 sport letterman here in our town, now it's a 6a school. We've all played, 4 generations now and have had our college paid for, but if it weren't for good judgement and butt bushings, lol..... Sports teaches a lot of life lessons but it's only as good as you make it. Anything in excess is bad for a soul.
Thanks! After I asked I found this. It looks like another one bites the dust.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ron-rivera-doesn-t-hide-in-explaining-his-decision-to-sit-greg-hardy-amid-public-pressure-234453442-nfl.html
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They let thugs and criminals keep right on playing unless there is some public outcry and they fear loss of revenue. Then they will make a show of a suspension or whatever sanctions...then in time when the short memory of the public allows...they bring the offender back into the game (a la Michael Vick).
Why has the POTUS gotten away with all the nefarious crap he has?? Again...money and power. It would take a huge outcry from the public to get anything done there...and there are way too many "Color conscious voters" out there who would likely riot and loot if "Their" president were to be removed or otherwise disgraced. That group is far more violent and vocal than those who oppose this POS POTUS. (So far anyway)
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Location: Sperry, OK | And here is my two cents (as stated above, it is free and you get what you pay for LOL! love it!)
What the NFL has done to RR is utter BULL! I don't condone what he did and am not saying he didn't need punishment, BUT! RR admitted to what he did, said he was sorry and it would not happen again, the NFL had already punished RR accordingly. RR thought he was through all of this, he had his punishment handed down, the season was about to start and he was on track to be back in the game. AFTER they punished him, they decided they needed to review the policies. Okay, fine, but RR should not have been affected by that, he should have been "grandfathered in" so to speak, becuase his incident was BEFORE this policy review/change, and he had already been punished. The new policy is 1st offense: 6 games, 2nd offense: suspension, possibly for life. Then AFTER the video surfaced .. all of a sudden the powers that be have a meeting (6 months after the fact!), and decided to suspend RR indefinately! WTH!!! So not only have they already punished him ONCE, but now they have suspeneded him.. THEY DIDN'T EVEN FOLLOW THE POLICES THEY JUST SET IN PLACE!!! At the very most RR should have only been suspended for 6 games (this was his 1st offense).. I don't even agree with that, they should never have come back to him at all. The only reason they came back to him was simply because he was convicted in the court of public opinion off the video! So now is the policy subjective to is there evidence/video/witness or not.. well if no evidence can surface you get 6 games, but if there is a possibility of video, we will let you know when it comes to light? BS!!! It would be like a teen getting caught stealing smokes from the store, getting caught and the parents grounding him for 2 weeks, taking his car away and giving him a spanking for it. Then 6 months later, the store owner shows dad a video surveilance of the actual crime.. then the kid gets grounded for life, his license revoked for life and being banished from the town... seriously, it is not right and wouldn't happen.. same thing for RR! He had already been punished, it should have been left alone!
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-09-15 9:29 AM And here is my two cents (as stated above, it is free and you get what you pay for LOL! love it!)
What the NFL has done to RR is utter BULL! I don't condone what he did and am not saying he didn't need punishment, BUT! RR admitted to what he did, said he was sorry and it would not happen again, the NFL had already punished RR accordingly. RR thought he was through all of this, he had his punishment handed down, the season was about to start and he was on track to be back in the game. AFTER they punished him, they decided they needed to review the policies. Okay, fine, but RR should not have been affected by that, he should have been "grandfathered in" so to speak, becuase his incident was BEFORE this policy review/change, and he had already been punished. The new policy is 1st offense: 6 games, 2nd offense: suspension, possibly for life. Then AFTER the video surfaced .. all of a sudden the powers that be have a meeting (6 months after the fact!), and decided to suspend RR indefinately! WTH!!! So not only have they already punished him ONCE, but now they have suspeneded him.. THEY DIDN'T EVEN FOLLOW THE POLICES THEY JUST SET IN PLACE!!! At the very most RR should have only been suspended for 6 games (this was his 1st offense).. I don't even agree with that, they should never have come back to him at all. The only reason they came back to him was simply because he was convicted in the court of public opinion off the video! So now is the policy subjective to is there evidence/video/witness or not.. well if no evidence can surface you get 6 games, but if there is a possibility of video, we will let you know when it comes to light? BS!!! It would be like a teen getting caught stealing smokes from the store, getting caught and the parents grounding him for 2 weeks, taking his car away and giving him a spanking for it. Then 6 months later, the store owner shows dad a video surveilance of the actual crime.. then the kid gets grounded for life, his license revoked for life and being banished from the town... seriously, it is not right and wouldn't happen.. same thing for RR! He had already been punished, it should have been left alone!
I agree with this. The media is way too powerful, and these examples illustrate that fact. We already knew that RR hit the woman (after she hit him), but it was the visual of this powerful man hitting the woman that sparked the change in the punishment. Basically the media controls the strings to the puppets like Roger Godell. Also, media is behind the outcry that Godell must go. Why? Because "he lied to the American people!" In the grand scheme of things, the NFL is insignificant in our daily lives, compared to the President and Congress. So why is it that they get a pass when they "lie to the American people"?
I have another question. Is it OK for a woman to hit a man? What does she expect if she hits a man programmed to have a killer instinct for the NFL? Ice cream? Personally, I don't think a man should ever hit a woman, but how do you argue with people who say if you hit a man, then all bets are off? | |
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Location: Sperry, OK | HotbearLVR - 2014-09-15 10:08 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-09-15 9:29 AM And here is my two cents (as stated above, it is free and you get what you pay for LOL! love it!)
What the NFL has done to RR is utter BULL! I don't condone what he did and am not saying he didn't need punishment, BUT! RR admitted to what he did, said he was sorry and it would not happen again, the NFL had already punished RR accordingly. RR thought he was through all of this, he had his punishment handed down, the season was about to start and he was on track to be back in the game. AFTER they punished him, they decided they needed to review the policies. Okay, fine, but RR should not have been affected by that, he should have been "grandfathered in" so to speak, becuase his incident was BEFORE this policy review/change, and he had already been punished. The new policy is 1st offense: 6 games, 2nd offense: suspension, possibly for life. Then AFTER the video surfaced .. all of a sudden the powers that be have a meeting (6 months after the fact!), and decided to suspend RR indefinately! WTH!!! So not only have they already punished him ONCE, but now they have suspeneded him.. THEY DIDN'T EVEN FOLLOW THE POLICES THEY JUST SET IN PLACE!!! At the very most RR should have only been suspended for 6 games (this was his 1st offense).. I don't even agree with that, they should never have come back to him at all. The only reason they came back to him was simply because he was convicted in the court of public opinion off the video! So now is the policy subjective to is there evidence/video/witness or not.. well if no evidence can surface you get 6 games, but if there is a possibility of video, we will let you know when it comes to light? BS!!! It would be like a teen getting caught stealing smokes from the store, getting caught and the parents grounding him for 2 weeks, taking his car away and giving him a spanking for it. Then 6 months later, the store owner shows dad a video surveilance of the actual crime.. then the kid gets grounded for life, his license revoked for life and being banished from the town... seriously, it is not right and wouldn't happen.. same thing for RR! He had already been punished, it should have been left alone!
I agree with this. The media is way too powerful, and these examples illustrate that fact. We already knew that RR hit the woman (after she hit him), but it was the visual of this powerful man hitting the woman that sparked the change in the punishment. Basically the media controls the strings to the puppets like Roger Godell. Also, media is behind the outcry that Godell must go. Why? Because "he lied to the American people!" In the grand scheme of things, the NFL is insignificant in our daily lives, compared to the President and Congress. So why is it that they get a pass when they "lie to the American people"?
I have another question. Is it OK for a woman to hit a man? What does she expect if she hits a man programmed to have a killer instinct for the NFL? Ice cream? Personally, I don't think a man should ever hit a woman, but how do you argue with people who say if you hit a man, then all bets are off?
What these football players are doing these days has NOTHING to do with the NFL.. it all goes back to how they were raised and the examples shown to them by their parents! I agree, the NFL needs to have guidelines and punishments for violence..on AND off the field, but the NFL trying to reprogram these guys sense of values is like you taking a 22 yo blown up/unbroke (by my definintion) barrel horse and starting from the gound up, all while still running him and expecting him to convert to your new teachings! Parents these days have got to realise, this starts with them, and they need to do their job!
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | jbhoot - 2014-09-14 10:24 AM geronabean - 2014-09-14 11:11 AM More kids need spankins. I agree but in this case it went way beyond a spanking it IMO it was assault. Look at the pictures of the kid it was way beyond what any four year old deserved.
I was beat as a child by a step mom. Just saying you usually have to be a tad unstable to leave bloody marks on your child.
As for the previous comment that the NFL needs cleaned up. AMEN! These ass hats are allowed to do whatever they please. Heaven help us of they ban some of the players. Monday night football just won't be the same...
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Why shouldn’t these “bullies” feel the repercussions of their actions? The NFL is an EMPLOYER who can do whatever they want to or for their “employees”. As an EMPLOYER they can fire their a$$ for felony battery to a woman or child or for whatever reason. These men have a responsibility to their EMPLOYER to behave themselves in ways that do not damage their teams, the sport or the willingness of fans to shell out a lot of money that contributes to outrageous salaries that these players could earn nowhere else.
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Location: The edge of no where | NJJ - 2014-09-15 10:53 AM Why shouldn’t these “bullies” feel the repercussions of their actions? The NFL is an EMPLOYER who can do whatever they want to or for their “employees”. As an EMPLOYER they can fire their a$$ for felony battery to a woman or child or for whatever reason. These men have a responsibility to their EMPLOYER to behave themselves in ways that do not damage their teams, the sport or the willingness of fans to shell out a lot of money that contributes to outrageous salaries that these players could earn nowhere else.
This ^^ is very well put.
I do blame the NFL for putting up with this kind of behavior and not having repercussions for it.
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Location: oklahoma | docschic - 2014-09-15 4:38 PM I'm curious to see how much the mother of the Peterson child is leading him on some of what he is saying to the authorities. Some of what is being reported I can't see a 4 year old saying it.
It happened in May, including the dr. Visit. Idk if things proceed this slow in other alledged child abuse cases or just when you're a millionaire ball player? I've always liked A.D. And thought he was a stand up guy, plus, he's from Oklahoma , but if he did leave those bloody welts, he deserves the maximum penalty by law. Ray Rice was disciplined, although IMO, not severly enough the first time but I think it shouldn't have been reversed. I do think that any abuse like these purported cases make men cowards that abuse women and children. Idk what really went on with AD, seems like we get detoured after a few days when our priority should be ISIS, unemployment and everyday pressing problems because unfortunately abuse happens every minute of everyday. | |
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Location: ND--it snows, it floods, it snows, it floods | So we were discussing this at lunch today and one co-worker brought up a very good point. When is someone going to teach A.P birth control methods because he apparently does not know what condom is. He has how many kids by different mothers??? What is going to happen when he is done with football and blows all his $$$ yet still has to take care of all these kids? | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Birth Control? What is that? To these women who keep having these babies with NFL, NBA etc players - to me - it is for money only. (Meaning the multiple partners).
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Location: Texas | My husband said almost the EXACT same thing last night! Why are they getting fined/suspended/fired when a court has yet to decide them guilty?
First of all, the way I see it is the NFL is an employer just like anything else and they can fire at will. With Ray Rice -- did you watch that video? First of all, he SPIT AT HER as she was walking by him to get on the elevator. I can't even imagine the emotions being spit at would raise up inside me. Then HE got in HER face first on the elevator and she stood up for herself. As I was watching the video I literally thought in my mind what I would do and she then did exactly that...then he stone cold KNOCKED HER OUT. And I mean stone cold. No emotion as he dragged her halfway off the elevator. Yes, she still married him but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about him getting suspended. The NFL is a business and I'm sure they don't want to become like the NBA with a negative shade. You bring THAT MUCH negative attention to any organization and you have a seriously good chance of getting fired.
Then you have Peterson. I'm sorry but I have a child that age. I can't imagine EVER going that far EVER. We spank our kids but that is not spanking. And again, you have 1. pictures and 2. admission by Peterson which equals a mountain of negative publicity right on the heels of Rice.
If you had a video of a person raping/murdering another person and they haven't been prosecuted *yet*, it's not like everyone would hold their opinions until the courts made its decision. The digital age is much different.
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Location: The edge of no where | I don't see the correlation between the court findings and punishment from the NFL..... why do you have to be found guilty in a court of law to be banned from the NFL? Any other employer can and probably will fire you for behavior that brings unwanted attention to them. I'm not a football fan, but the way that they are now treating Rice and Peterson makes me a bit happier. I wish they would come down harder on more players, it would do a lot to clean the league up and maybe let players know that they will be held to a certain standard of accountability for their actions.
Playing football is not a right, it's a priviledge....and can be taken away.
I agree with spanking kids, but what AP did went so far beyond acceptable behavior...toss him out!
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