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Does anybody know any more info as to what horses?
I have heard names of a GREAT stallion involved but cant find any facts.
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | LuckyNGG'sGirl - 2014-09-20 10:03 PM
Dear Karma,
Please do your job and make these people pay.
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https://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-for-Dual-Peppy/961846387164549
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Location: Adopt a homeless pet - www.petfinder.com! | Here's an article and a pic of the condition of Dual Peppy. Absolutely heartbreaking.
http://thehorseaholic.com/cutting-world-champion-and-leading-sire-dual-peppy-is-among-abused-and-neglected-horses-in-colorado/
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Location: Colorado | Everyone needs to take a deep breath.
First for those who don't seem to know Colorado does have Felony Animal abuse laws. But things take time. Charges will come at some point.
Second from my understanding Some of the Mounted Patrol is checking on these horses constantly.
In order to seize and take them they must fallow the "Rules". They will be inspected, rated, etc.. Our State Vet does NOT play nicely with people that abuse livestock or pets.
Be careful screaming for them to be removed immediately. There are at least two equine rescues frothing at the mouth to get their hands on these horses. Neither are qualified!!!!!
There are also a lot of questions surrounding the "dog breeder" who turned this in. She supposedly lived on the property as well??
It sucks to see the pictures, it sucks worse to not be able to run in and feed, water and love on those still alive. But in the end it needs to be done "by the book". Then we can push for justice for not only those alive but for the untold number of dead.
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How many people remember the arabian horse pyramid scheme that went on back in the 80's, maybe 70's? Do you remember the absolutely over bloated prices put on Arabians? Where are all these "valuable" animals now? HHHmmm..... no market for them, is there. I am afraid this is what's going on now. The poor horses are the one's to suffer when people can no longer sell them, or afford to keep those they have bred, and can't sell.
The answer, stop breeding so many. Make them valuable again. Just like gold, and diamonds. As the commodity goes down, the price goes up.
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Location: A roping pen near you!! | Stitch4k9 - 2014-09-21 3:49 PM Everyone needs to take a deep breath.
First for those who don't seem to know Colorado does have Felony Animal abuse laws. But things take time. Charges will come at some point.
Second from my understanding Some of the Mounted Patrol is checking on these horses constantly.
In order to seize and take them they must fallow the "Rules". They will be inspected, rated, etc.. Our State Vet does NOT play nicely with people that abuse livestock or pets.
Be careful screaming for them to be removed immediately. There are at least two equine rescues frothing at the mouth to get their hands on these horses. Neither are qualified!!!!!
There are also a lot of questions surrounding the "dog breeder" who turned this in. She supposedly lived on the property as well??
It sucks to see the pictures, it sucks worse to not be able to run in and feed, water and love on those still alive. But in the end it needs to be done "by the book". Then we can push for justice for not only those alive but for the untold number of dead.
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| bingo - 2014-09-21 4:57 PM
I have to disagree w/you Jbhoot. I think the reason more and more of this is happening is BECAUSE these horses CAN'T be sold. The horse market is OVERLY flooded with horses no one wants. The proof is in situations just like this. Maybe these horses that died were sick from an illness that spread through the herd. maybe they weren't starved. Maybe selling them wasn't even an option. Time will tell hopefully, but it does not take much research to understand what is going on with the horse market. Our economy is bad, just keeping horses is expensive. Add to that an over abundance of unwanted animals and their prices go spiraling downward fast.
How many people remember the arabian horse pyramid scheme that went on back in the 80's, maybe 70's? Do you remember the absolutely over bloated prices put on Arabians? Where are all these "valuable" animals now? HHHmmm..... no market for them, is there. I am afraid this is what's going on now. The poor horses are the one's to suffer when people can no longer sell them, or afford to keep those they have bred, and can't sell.
The answer, stop breeding so many. Make them valuable again. Just like gold, and diamonds. As the commodity goes down, the price goes up.
This is an extremely sad situation. It will be interesting to see what becomes of the owner.
I most cases I would agree with you but not in this one. These where for the most part not cheap horses. And there is at least one or two threads on this site a week looking for horses just like these. If they wanted to price them cheap you could have sold them or given them away. Yes I am well aware of the horse market I have been buying and selling them for over 50 years. |
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Location: South Central Florida | bingo - 2014-09-21 5:57 PM I have to disagree w/you Jbhoot. I think the reason more and more of this is happening is BECAUSE these horses CAN'T be sold. The horse market is OVERLY flooded with horses no one wants. The proof is in situations just like this. Maybe these horses that died were sick from an illness that spread through the herd. maybe they weren't starved. Maybe selling them wasn't even an option. Time will tell hopefully, but it does not take much research to understand what is going on with the horse market. Our economy is bad, just keeping horses is expensive. Add to that an over abundance of unwanted animals and their prices go spiraling downward fast. How many people remember the arabian horse pyramid scheme that went on back in the 80's, maybe 70's? Do you remember the absolutely over bloated prices put on Arabians? Where are all these "valuable" animals now? HHHmmm..... no market for them, is there. I am afraid this is what's going on now. The poor horses are the one's to suffer when people can no longer sell them, or afford to keep those they have bred, and can't sell. The answer, stop breeding so many. Make them valuable again. Just like gold, and diamonds. As the commodity goes down, the price goes up. This is an extremely sad situation. It will be interesting to see what becomes of the owner.
I have to agree with you here. The situation "LOOKS" horrible, but the story does not give much information. I never just assume the worst. The horses that passed away in the barn, we don't know that they did not die naturally from age. . .I don't own a loader, when we have had horses pass away, we have to pay someone to come dig for us, and we are lucky enough to own enough land to bury them here.
I guess I just don't like people jumping on someone with out knowing more of the story. Perhaps people on here know more than has been posted, but just based on the story from the link, I feel for the people. I don't see anyone offering to pay for hay or buying feed for the remaining horses.
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| bingo - 2014-09-21 6:02 PM
How much do you think the owner could have sold one of these horses for? Maybe she WAS trying to sell them?
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| Swannranch - 2014-09-21 6:30 PM
bingo - 2014-09-21 5:57 PM I have to disagree w/you Jbhoot. I think the reason more and more of this is happening is BECAUSE these horses CAN'T be sold. The horse market is OVERLY flooded with horses no one wants. The proof is in situations just like this. Maybe these horses that died were sick from an illness that spread through the herd. maybe they weren't starved. Maybe selling them wasn't even an option. Time will tell hopefully, but it does not take much research to understand what is going on with the horse market. Our economy is bad, just keeping horses is expensive. Add to that an over abundance of unwanted animals and their prices go spiraling downward fast. How many people remember the arabian horse pyramid scheme that went on back in the 80's, maybe 70's? Do you remember the absolutely over bloated prices put on Arabians? Where are all these "valuable" animals now? HHHmmm..... no market for them, is there. I am afraid this is what's going on now. The poor horses are the one's to suffer when people can no longer sell them, or afford to keep those they have bred, and can't sell. The answer, stop breeding so many. Make them valuable again. Just like gold, and diamonds. As the commodity goes down, the price goes up. This is an extremely sad situation. It will be interesting to see what becomes of the owner.
I have to agree with you here. The situation "LOOKS" horrible, but the story does not give much information. I never just assume the worst. The horses that passed away in the barn, we don't know that they did not die naturally from age. . .I don't own a loader, when we have had horses pass away, we have to pay someone to come dig for us, and we are lucky enough to own enough land to bury them here.
I guess I just don't like people jumping on someone with out knowing more of the story. Perhaps people on here know more than has been posted, but just based on the story from the link, I feel for the people. I don't see anyone offering to pay for hay or buying feed for the remaining horses.
Check out the face book page there are all kinds of offers. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Holy cow people, if this person could not feed these horses, why in the He$$ didnt they just place them in a home/foster care untill he/she could take care of them themselfs why in the He$$ let these poor horses suffer the way they did/ or doing now. I dont understand the way some think.  |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | equussynergy - 2014-09-21 6:57 PM Or just take them to the auction yard! There are sales every week.
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Location: Colorado | Bingo,
I don't know where you are located. But................ Colorado's economy is booming. The cutting community in CO would have bought these animals had they known there was a dire need. And while you are researching............ cutting prices are not as high as they once were.
Having dealt with a number of these situations. Both equine and canine. It rarely is because of the economy. It becomes a hording situation which is sadly a mental illness.
With that said there is plenty of blame to pass around on this situation. What happened to family members who have been involved with these horses in the past? How about others in the CO cutting community who didn't notice that this woman and her horses dropped from site? How about neighbors? Heck evan the local feed store should have wondered what happened.
Until everyone stops pointing fingers of blame and starts to take some responsibility to check on each other we will not solve much of anything.
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| Stitch4k9 - 2014-09-21 7:44 PM Bingo,
I don't know where you are located. But................ Colorado's economy is booming. The cutting community in CO would have bought these animals had they known there was a dire need. And while you are researching............ cutting prices are not as high as they once were.
Having dealt with a number of these situations. Both equine and canine. It rarely is because of the economy. It becomes a hording situation which is sadly a mental illness.
With that said there is plenty of blame to pass around on this situation. What happened to family members who have been involved with these horses in the past? How about others in the CO cutting community who didn't notice that this woman and her horses dropped from site? How about neighbors? Heck evan the local feed store should have wondered what happened.
Until everyone stops pointing fingers of blame and starts to take some responsibility to check on each other we will not solve much of anything.
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Location: Colorado | No Bingo I do NOT know this person. But, thanks for assuming I would knowingly let these horses or any others end up like this.
I have been involved in way too many rescues over the years and have seen it over and over. Since you obviously missed the point............. generally these situations end up being a hoarding situation. The owner starts on a down hill spiral, sometimes a financial issue starts it. Sometimes it is the death of a spouse, etc. They believe no one cares, no one can help, etc.. They believe they are the only ones capable. And yes it is a well documented mental illness.
Try reading my words and understanding that I am putting the blame on a whole lot of folks for not seeing this until now.
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Location: Colorado | suzy2qtee - 2014-09-21 8:01 PM Stitch4k9 - 2014-09-21 7:44 PM Bingo,
I don't know where you are located. But................ Colorado's economy is booming. The cutting community in CO would have bought these animals had they known there was a dire need. And while you are researching............ cutting prices are not as high as they once were.
Having dealt with a number of these situations. Both equine and canine. It rarely is because of the economy. It becomes a hording situation which is sadly a mental illness.
With that said there is plenty of blame to pass around on this situation. What happened to family members who have been involved with these horses in the past? How about others in the CO cutting community who didn't notice that this woman and her horses dropped from site? How about neighbors? Heck evan the local feed store should have wondered what happened.
Until everyone stops pointing fingers of blame and starts to take some responsibility to check on each other we will not solve much of anything.
karen
karen While the economy may be booming the horse industry has NOT.
suzy,
Depends on what and where. Good horses are still bringing decent prices. This is an area where ranch geldings are in demand and families pay dearly for 4-h and High School Rodeo prospects.
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Location: Colorado | Biblia,
Not sure where you saw that anyone was stuck with Dual Peppy. I am in no way saying this is not neglect. What I was attempting to do is explain how this can happen and what can be done by everyone to help prevent it.
But why is a past owner now a hero for jumping up and down saying he wants " his " horse back? If this Stud was so important would you not have checked on him before now? Of course you would have.
The media has a whole bunch of "interesting" information. I will guarantee all of the folks jumping up and down, calling the Sheriffs office "demanding things are not helping. There are multiple posts on FB and the other site linked stating CO does not have abuse laws. Wrong! There are posts that folks are calling the FBI demanding stuff. Honestly if someone was not trying to make a point out of this case including a Cutting Stallion with a name would there be this outcry? Probably not. I want to see this case prosecuted. But I also want people to stop and think about the ones not getting this much media/social media coverage.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Bibliafarm - 2014-09-21 8:03 PM THIS is NOT ok.. give him away then.. sorry I dont buy the STUCK with him.. send out a PLEA for help.. instead but dont starve them.. I do not know the story but this is pure neglect imho
Thank you Bibs. I don't give a rats behind what the CO economy is, what the horse economy is. This is plain and simple WRONG. Any normal human being doesn't starve animals. I dont care if they had to give these horses away free and clear at least someone would have been feeding them. I'm amazed at the people standing up for the criminals that did this. I'll starve before my horses will starve. |
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| Stitch4k9 - 2014-09-21 8:37 PM suzy2qtee - 2014-09-21 8:01 PM Stitch4k9 - 2014-09-21 7:44 PM Bingo,
I don't know where you are located. But................ Colorado's economy is booming. The cutting community in CO would have bought these animals had they known there was a dire need. And while you are researching............ cutting prices are not as high as they once were.
Having dealt with a number of these situations. Both equine and canine. It rarely is because of the economy. It becomes a hording situation which is sadly a mental illness.
With that said there is plenty of blame to pass around on this situation. What happened to family members who have been involved with these horses in the past? How about others in the CO cutting community who didn't notice that this woman and her horses dropped from site? How about neighbors? Heck evan the local feed store should have wondered what happened.
Until everyone stops pointing fingers of blame and starts to take some responsibility to check on each other we will not solve much of anything.
karen
karen While the economy may be booming the horse industry has NOT.
Depends on what and where. Good horses are still bringing decent prices. This is an area where ranch geldings are in demand and families pay dearly for 4-h and High School Rodeo prospects.
These horses could have been sold.
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A select few may still be bringing a decent price.. The fact still stands that over all the economy SUX and over all the horse industry has way more horses being born every year than needed... again what bingo had said supply and demand... I'm talking OVER all not your tiny little corner. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Southtxponygirl - 2014-09-20 10:10 PM I didnt open that link, it hurts my heart to much to see stuff like this, so taking everyone's word that this is really bad, prayers that justice will be done
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Location: Here | Stitch4k9 - 2014-09-21 7:44 PM Bingo,
I don't know where you are located. But................ Colorado's economy is booming. The cutting community in CO would have bought these animals had they known there was a dire need. And while you are researching............ cutting prices are not as high as they once were.
Having dealt with a number of these situations. Both equine and canine. It rarely is because of the economy. It becomes a hording situation which is sadly a mental illness.
With that said there is plenty of blame to pass around on this situation. What happened to family members who have been involved with these horses in the past? How about others in the CO cutting community who didn't notice that this woman and her horses dropped from site? How about neighbors? Heck evan the local feed store should have wondered what happened.
Until everyone stops pointing fingers of blame and starts to take some responsibility to check on each other we will not solve much of anything.
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karen exactly.
Bingo these were top notch horses.
They could have easily been sold
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Location: Here | suzy2qtee - 2014-09-21 9:11 PM Stitch4k9 - 2014-09-21 8:37 PM suzy2qtee - 2014-09-21 8:01 PM Stitch4k9 - 2014-09-21 7:44 PM Bingo,
I don't know where you are located. But................ Colorado's economy is booming. The cutting community in CO would have bought these animals had they known there was a dire need. And while you are researching............ cutting prices are not as high as they once were.
Having dealt with a number of these situations. Both equine and canine. It rarely is because of the economy. It becomes a hording situation which is sadly a mental illness.
With that said there is plenty of blame to pass around on this situation. What happened to family members who have been involved with these horses in the past? How about others in the CO cutting community who didn't notice that this woman and her horses dropped from site? How about neighbors? Heck evan the local feed store should have wondered what happened.
Until everyone stops pointing fingers of blame and starts to take some responsibility to check on each other we will not solve much of anything.
karen
karen While the economy may be booming the horse industry has NOT.
Depends on what and where. Good horses are still bringing decent prices. This is an area where ranch geldings are in demand and families pay dearly for 4-h and High School Rodeo prospects.
These horses could have been sold.
karen
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | bingo - 2014-09-21 4:57 PM I have to disagree w/you Jbhoot. I think the reason more and more of this is happening is BECAUSE these horses CAN'T be sold. The horse market is OVERLY flooded with horses no one wants. The proof is in situations just like this. Maybe these horses that died were sick from an illness that spread through the herd. maybe they weren't starved. Maybe selling them wasn't even an option. Time will tell hopefully, but it does not take much research to understand what is going on with the horse market. Our economy is bad, just keeping horses is expensive. Add to that an over abundance of unwanted animals and their prices go spiraling downward fast. How many people remember the arabian horse pyramid scheme that went on back in the 80's, maybe 70's? Do you remember the absolutely over bloated prices put on Arabians? Where are all these "valuable" animals now? HHHmmm..... no market for them, is there. I am afraid this is what's going on now. The poor horses are the one's to suffer when people can no longer sell them, or afford to keep those they have bred, and can't sell. The answer, stop breeding so many. Make them valuable again. Just like gold, and diamonds. As the commodity goes down, the price goes up. This is an extremely sad situation. It will be interesting to see what becomes of the owner.
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| SG. - 2014-09-21 9:14 PM suzy2qtee - 2014-09-21 9:11 PM Stitch4k9 - 2014-09-21 8:37 PM suzy2qtee - 2014-09-21 8:01 PM Stitch4k9 - 2014-09-21 7:44 PM Bingo,
I don't know where you are located. But................ Colorado's economy is booming. The cutting community in CO would have bought these animals had they known there was a dire need. And while you are researching............ cutting prices are not as high as they once were.
Having dealt with a number of these situations. Both equine and canine. It rarely is because of the economy. It becomes a hording situation which is sadly a mental illness.
With that said there is plenty of blame to pass around on this situation. What happened to family members who have been involved with these horses in the past? How about others in the CO cutting community who didn't notice that this woman and her horses dropped from site? How about neighbors? Heck evan the local feed store should have wondered what happened.
Until everyone stops pointing fingers of blame and starts to take some responsibility to check on each other we will not solve much of anything.
karen
karen While the economy may be booming the horse industry has NOT.
Depends on what and where. Good horses are still bringing decent prices. This is an area where ranch geldings are in demand and families pay dearly for 4-h and High School Rodeo prospects.
These horses could have been sold.
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Location: Here | suzy2qtee - 2014-09-21 9:18 PM SG. - 2014-09-21 9:14 PM suzy2qtee - 2014-09-21 9:11 PM Stitch4k9 - 2014-09-21 8:37 PM suzy2qtee - 2014-09-21 8:01 PM Stitch4k9 - 2014-09-21 7:44 PM Bingo,
I don't know where you are located. But................ Colorado's economy is booming. The cutting community in CO would have bought these animals had they known there was a dire need. And while you are researching............ cutting prices are not as high as they once were.
Having dealt with a number of these situations. Both equine and canine. It rarely is because of the economy. It becomes a hording situation which is sadly a mental illness.
With that said there is plenty of blame to pass around on this situation. What happened to family members who have been involved with these horses in the past? How about others in the CO cutting community who didn't notice that this woman and her horses dropped from site? How about neighbors? Heck evan the local feed store should have wondered what happened.
Until everyone stops pointing fingers of blame and starts to take some responsibility to check on each other we will not solve much of anything.
karen
karen While the economy may be booming the horse industry has NOT.
Depends on what and where. Good horses are still bringing decent prices. This is an area where ranch geldings are in demand and families pay dearly for 4-h and High School Rodeo prospects.
These horses could have been sold.
karen
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Location: Flat Rock,IL | Southtxponygirl - 2014-09-21 6:46 PM
Holy cow people, if this person could not feed these horses, why in the He$$ didnt they just place them in a home/foster care untill he/she could take care of them themselfs why in the He$$ let these poor horses suffer the way they did/ or doing now. I dont understand the way some think.
I agree. They could have done something to help these horses. If I could not sell them, or feed them, I would have put them down!. This was nothing, but animal cruelty. |
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| CYA Ranch - 2014-09-21 9:12 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2014-09-20 10:10 PM I didnt open that link, it hurts my heart to much to see stuff like this, so taking everyone's word that this is really bad, prayers that justice will be done
Go over to Face Book ( Justice for Dual Peppy) All the pictures and videos are there. Warning it is not pretty. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | bingo - 2014-09-21 7:03 PM Well "offers", and actual "purchases" are 2 big differences. Tire kickers in the horse business are more common than buyers. Even if they could not get the price that they wanted for these horses this is no excuse to starve the poor things and let them die no excuse at all. I dont understand your why of thinking, this is NOT right. Just give them away are just take what was offered for them, better then what is happening to them. I think this person is sick, how can someone do this and not think that this is wrong, they have a problem...And these poor horses got the wrong end of the deal here, not their fault that their so called owner is not right...
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Location: Here | Southtxponygirl - 2014-09-21 9:46 PM
bingo - 2014-09-21 7:03 PM Well "offers", and actual "purchases" are 2 big differences. Tire kickers in the horse business are more common than buyers. Even if they could not get the price that they wanted for these horses this is no excuse to starve the poor things and let them die no excuse at all. I dont understand your why of thinking, this is NOT right. Just give them away are just take what was offered for them, better then what is happening to them. I think this person is sick, how can someone do this and not think that this is wrong, they have a problem...And these poor horses got the wrong end of the deal here, not their fault that their so called owner is not right...
I agree. and having the doors barricaded just proves how sick this person is |
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Location: Home of the World Famous "Silver Bullet" | CYA Ranch - 2014-09-21 10:11 PM Bibliafarm - 2014-09-21 8:03 PM THIS is NOT ok.. give him away then.. sorry I dont buy the STUCK with him.. send out a PLEA for help.. instead but dont starve them.. I do not know the story but this is pure neglect imho
there is NO excuse for this treatment. the worse part, this horse knows the differentce. |
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Location: Here | barn mom - 2014-09-21 10:02 PM
CYA Ranch - 2014-09-21 10:11 PM Bibliafarm - 2014-09-21 8:03 PM THIS is NOT ok.. give him away then.. sorry I dont buy the STUCK with him.. send out a PLEA for help.. instead but dont starve them.. I do not know the story but this is pure neglect imho
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | jbhoot - 2014-09-21 9:40 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-09-21 9:12 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-09-20 10:10 PM I didnt open that link, it hurts my heart to much to see stuff like this, so taking everyone's word that this is really bad, prayers that justice will be done Go over to Face Book ( Justice for Dual Peppy ) All the pictures and videos are there. Warning it is not pretty.
I finally took a peek at a link someone posted and I clicked off as soon as I saw a body of a horse in a pen that was only hide and bones. And I thought anyone that could do this was a Sicko, SICKO in the MINDO. And some on here dont see the wrong of this, what the He**!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| This is sickening....Don't care what the reason for it is it's still cruel! And what kind of a sicko could walk out there, place a tarp over the dead horses and yet-can't take carry a bucket of feed. This is a person without a soul! Don't care what her circumstances where-there's none that would support this kind of cruelty...JMO |
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Location: Mayerthorpe Alberta | everyone, please stop being so judgemental. No one knows the whole story yet. Right now the priority is to help the surviving horses. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | jbhoot - 2014-09-21 9:40 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-09-21 9:12 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-09-20 10:10 PM I didnt open that link, it hurts my heart to much to see stuff like this, so taking everyone's word that this is really bad, prayers that justice will be done Go over to Face Book ( Justice for Dual Peppy ) All the pictures and videos are there. Warning it is not pretty.
It has nothing to do with my computer not opening it, its the fact that I can't bring myself to look at the pictures. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Anybody that doesnt think Dual Peppy was a marketable item and thinks the "economy" is reason enough he couldnt be sold doesnt have a clue what they are talking about. That horse is a NCHA World Champion!! FULL brother to Dual Pep. That horse alone would have and could have been sold for FAR more then it would cost to feed all the others very well for years to come!!! |
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Location: Here | ThreeCorners - 2014-09-22 7:19 AM
Anybody that doesnt think Dual Peppy was a marketable item and thinks the "economy" is reason enough he couldnt be sold doesnt have a clue what they are talking about. That horse is a NCHA World Champion!! FULL brother to Dual Pep. That horse alone would have and could have been sold for FAR more then it would cost to feed all the others very well for years to come!!!
And not sure how this is being judgmental if you read the article and look at the pictures it is abuse and cruelty |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | ThreeCorners - 2014-09-22 7:19 AM Anybody that doesnt think Dual Peppy was a marketable item and thinks the "economy" is reason enough he couldnt be sold doesnt have a clue what they are talking about. That horse is a NCHA World Champion!! FULL brother to Dual Pep. That horse alone would have and could have been sold for FAR more then it would cost to feed all the others very well for years to come!!!
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| CYA Ranch - 2014-09-22 7:23 AM ThreeCorners - 2014-09-22 7:19 AM Anybody that doesnt think Dual Peppy was a marketable item and thinks the "economy" is reason enough he couldnt be sold doesnt have a clue what they are talking about. That horse is a NCHA World Champion!! FULL brother to Dual Pep. That horse alone would have and could have been sold for FAR more then it would cost to feed all the others very well for years to come!!! Bravo
I agree, but if a horse owner is not going to take care of their horses, get rid of them regardless of how much you can sell them for. |
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| There is no excuse for starving any horse, let alone a horse like Dual Peppy. As for the skeletal remains...it is illegal to bury a large animal in the state if CO due to ground water contamination. I'm not trying to support the owner by any means or excuss the condition of the animals. But maybe covering them in lime and tarping the bodies was her way if disposing of them by not burying them. I know a guy that lives by me dumps the bodies of his dead cows in his aug pond right by the highway and let's Mother Nature take her course. It's gross. But it's legal. I also have to question why the State wasn't contacted by anyone. The State has a division that specializes in large animal cruelty. The El Paso County Sheriffs,all the horse rescue ggroups, the media, etc didn't contact them. Why? Seems to me they would be the first place to contact. Yes, the condition of the horses is wrong and something needs to be done. But I think there us a lot more to the story than meets the eye. Especially given that the main group that specializes in these cases has yet to be contacted. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | bingo - 2014-09-21 4:57 PM I have to disagree w/you Jbhoot. I think the reason more and more of this is happening is BECAUSE these horses CAN'T be sold. The horse market is OVERLY flooded with horses no one wants. The proof is in situations just like this. Maybe these horses that died were sick from an illness that spread through the herd. maybe they weren't starved. Maybe selling them wasn't even an option. Time will tell hopefully, but it does not take much research to understand what is going on with the horse market. Our economy is bad, just keeping horses is expensive. Add to that an over abundance of unwanted animals and their prices go spiraling downward fast. How many people remember the arabian horse pyramid scheme that went on back in the 80's, maybe 70's? Do you remember the absolutely over bloated prices put on Arabians? Where are all these "valuable" animals now? HHHmmm..... no market for them, is there. I am afraid this is what's going on now. The poor horses are the one's to suffer when people can no longer sell them, or afford to keep those they have bred, and can't sell. The answer, stop breeding so many. Make them valuable again. Just like gold, and diamonds. As the commodity goes down, the price goes up. This is an extremely sad situation. It will be interesting to see what becomes of the owner.
Whaaaatttt????
Lets put this inanother perspective maybe you can understand. This situation, and the stallion involved would be the equivilent of starving Slick By Design, Firewateronetherocks, Epic Leader, or Blazen Jetolena and someone comming along saying "Well the economy is bad", "the horse market is bad" blah blah blah. Are you freaking kidding me?????????????????????????????????????????????? There is ALWAYS a market, and a VERY GOOD market for those individuals! |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | One thing that seems to happen in all of these cases is that it's never just a matter of "couldn't afford to feed them properly". I'd like the defenders on here to explain to me why if this is all some misunderstanding and there is a good explanation why these folks are not criminally liable for cruelty...WHY is it that along with being emaciated (or dead)...the horses are living in filth? A muck fork and a shovel don't cost a lot. (They had the cash to buy tarps for the dead ones) But see...then these people might actually have to lift a finger and care for these animals.
In my mind the horrible filthy conditions speak to a clear case of neglect. They can say the dead ones got into blister beetles or coliced or whatever lies and justification they would like to make up....but the fact is...if they gave a rats behind about these animals they would have been taking care of them. Not leaving them standing in crap in a barn full of dead horses. They could have reached out for help to get the dead ones removed. But I'm guessing they knew if they did someone would report the conditions the others were in and they would be in deep poop themselves.
Any on here saying Oh the economy is bad...they couldn't sell them...I say Horse pucky. Show me proof that this heartless owner tried to get help...tried to sell...contacted vets or rescue groups anything. Otherwise...I'm not buying the excuses.
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Location: Where I am happiest | TrailGirl - 2014-09-22 7:51 AM One thing that seems to happen in all of these cases is that it's never just a matter of "couldn't afford to feed them properly". I'd like the defenders on here to explain to me why if this is all some misunderstanding and there is a good explanation why these folks are not criminally liable for cruelty...WHY is it that along with being emaciated (or dead)...the horses are living in filth? A muck fork and a shovel don't cost a lot. (They had the cash to buy tarps for the dead ones) But see...then these people might actually have to lift a finger and care for these animals.
In my mind the horrible filthy conditions speak to a clear case of neglect. They can say the dead ones got into blister beetles or coliced or whatever lies and justification they would like to make up....but the fact is...if they gave a rats behind about these animals they would have been taking care of them. Not leaving them standing in crap in a barn full of dead horses. They could have reached out for help to get the dead ones removed. But I'm guessing they knew if they did someone would report the conditions the others were in and they would be in deep poop themselves.
Any on here saying Oh the economy is bad...they couldn't sell them...I say Horse pucky. Show me proof that this heartless owner tried to get help...tried to sell...contacted vets or rescue groups anything. Otherwise...I'm not buying the excuses.
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Location: In a happy place | I am like Roxie....I can't look. These poor animals depend on someone to take care of them. They trust people to do this. To take an animal that had once won so much and was obviously pampered then to get to this point.
This is just wrong.
Some of these posts show just how far in the toilet our world and our thinking has gone.
I hope this person never sees the light of day again. As far as I am concerned there is no excuse for poor animals to be treated like this. She could have gotten someone to take them some how some way.
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| SKM - 2014-09-22 7:45 AM
There is no excuse for starving any horse, let alone a horse like Dual Peppy. As for the skeletal remains...it is illegal to bury a large animal in the state if CO due to ground water contamination. I'm not trying to support the owner by any means or excuss the condition of the animals. But maybe covering them in lime and tarping the bodies was her way if disposing of them by not burying them. I know a guy that lives by me dumps the bodies of his dead cows in his aug pond right by the highway and let's Mother Nature take her course. It's gross. But it's legal. I also have to question why the State wasn't contacted by anyone. The State has a division that specializes in large animal cruelty. The El Paso County Sheriffs,all the horse rescue ggroups, the media, etc didn't contact them. Why? Seems to me they would be the first place to contact. Yes, the condition of the horses is wrong and something needs to be done. But I think there us a lot more to the story than meets the eye. Especially given that the main group that specializes in these cases has yet to be contacted.
This just came out on Friday so maybe they will be brought in today. There is a campaign to call every one in government today going on the face book page. |
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Location: Lost in the corn of Iowa. | I can't watch anymore and not chime in. I agree that this is wrong in every sense of the word and the person or persons involved should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But sadly this happens all the time. Just because it is a famous NCHA horse are we hearing about it at this national level. And I don't buy the horse market is crap and the horse can't be sold. It doesn't matter what the horse is worth, do what's best for the horse. If you knew a 5 figure horse was gonna be fat n sassy in a 4H'r backyard then sell the dang thing for $100, do what's best for the horse not your purse strings. Or do what people in Texas did when that huge hay shortage and drought happened. Idk, I think it was 10-12 yrs ago. They hauled horses and cows to other areas of the country and auctioned them off knowing that they would've probably starved to death where they were currently at. So this excuse of they couldn't sell the horses for their value is a load of bull. You can rant and rave all you want but you have to let the law work, right or wrong we just have to let this play out. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | saying the horse economy is bad is a pretty poor excuse to do this to any horse.......
and you ever notice how the pond scum that starve horses are pretty plump and well fed them selves.........i have no use for any animal starver.....NONE and there are NO EXCUSES...........
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | This is extremely hard to look at. These horse certainly did not deserve this and I pray someone intervenes very soon. I have rescued a horse from someone that was fat and actually grilling him a steak on his deck when I went to get the horse. He was a lazy, uncaring, jacka** and that may well be the case with the owner of these horses and if it is I hope she gets the book thrown at her. On the flip side if she is hoarder that sheds a whole new light on the situation. My mother is a hoarder so I know first hand how they think. Thankfully she hoards material things not living creatures. There is no reasoning with people like her. They value (in their mind) what they have amassed. IT does not matter if it is at the botton of a pile that reaches the ceiling it is the fact that can say oh I have one of those - and they say it in such a proud way you would think it was beautifully displayed - not burried under junk. They love and value having these possession but do not in any way take care of them. It is a horrible illness that destorys families. These people are very guarded and slick about how to prevent people for seeing how they really live. My mother is well put together when she goes out and you would never know the way she lives. I have cleaned out - up - and thrown away and her response was that since I threw away a plastic chicken not to consider myself her daughter anymore. I am her only child and I know for a fact she loves her stuff far more than she loves me. She refuses counseling - and I don't have the heart to committ her. This is the reality of the other possibility as to why this woman did this. |
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Location: Washington | cruise - 2014-09-22 7:45 AM This is extremely hard to look at. These horse certainly did not deserve this and I pray someone intervenes very soon. I have rescued a horse from someone that was fat and actually grilling him a steak on his deck when I went to get the horse. He was a lazy, uncaring, jacka** and that may well be the case with the owner of these horses and if it is I hope she gets the book thrown at her. On the flip side if she is hoarder that sheds a whole new light on the situation. My mother is a hoarder so I know first hand how they think. Thankfully she hoards material things not living creatures. There is no reasoning with people like her. They value (in their mind) what they have amassed. IT does not matter if it is at the botton of a pile that reaches the ceiling it is the fact that can say oh I have one of those - and they say it in such a proud way you would think it was beautifully displayed - not burried under junk. They love and value having these possession but do not in any way take care of them. It is a horrible illness that destorys families. These people are very guarded and slick about how to prevent people for seeing how they really live. My mother is well put together when she goes out and you would never know the way she lives. I have cleaned out - up - and thrown away and her response was that since I threw away a plastic chicken not to consider myself her daughter anymore. I am her only child and I know for a fact she loves her stuff far more than she loves me. She refuses counseling - and I don't have the heart to committ her. This is the reality of the other possibility as to why this woman did this.
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This is why there should no discussing with this person who has these animals, they feel they are fine. Get the animals out of there and let them wear the coat of victim hood proudly. We all agree that the only victims here are the four legged ones.
Hope to read later today thay they have been taken away from this person...
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| SG. - 2014-09-21 9:25 PM suzy2qtee - 2014-09-21 9:18 PM SG. - 2014-09-21 9:14 PM suzy2qtee - 2014-09-21 9:11 PM Stitch4k9 - 2014-09-21 8:37 PM suzy2qtee - 2014-09-21 8:01 PM Stitch4k9 - 2014-09-21 7:44 PM Bingo,
I don't know where you are located. But................ Colorado's economy is booming. The cutting community in CO would have bought these animals had they known there was a dire need. And while you are researching............ cutting prices are not as high as they once were.
Having dealt with a number of these situations. Both equine and canine. It rarely is because of the economy. It becomes a hording situation which is sadly a mental illness.
With that said there is plenty of blame to pass around on this situation. What happened to family members who have been involved with these horses in the past? How about others in the CO cutting community who didn't notice that this woman and her horses dropped from site? How about neighbors? Heck evan the local feed store should have wondered what happened.
Until everyone stops pointing fingers of blame and starts to take some responsibility to check on each other we will not solve much of anything.
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karen While the economy may be booming the horse industry has NOT.
Depends on what and where. Good horses are still bringing decent prices. This is an area where ranch geldings are in demand and families pay dearly for 4-h and High School Rodeo prospects.
These horses could have been sold.
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In no way was I saying there is an excuse for what has happened to these poor creatures. I was just responding to the fact that the horse industry is still in a downcline. Yes I feel that those horses could of had a place if the irresponsible care takers hadn't failed them. But to place blame on the FEED store and NEIGHBORS?? My neighbors wouldn't have any idea of what is happening at my place, the closest one is over 3/4 miles away. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Did anyone already say who exactly owns the horses right now? |
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| LRQHS - 2014-09-22 10:22 AM
Did anyone already say who exactly owns the horses right now?
The Dual peppy Partnership. Rick and Sherry Brunzel are one of the partners and are in charge of care. Don't know if there are any other partners in this.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | jbhoot - 2014-09-22 10:28 AM LRQHS - 2014-09-22 10:22 AM Did anyone already say who exactly owns the horses right now? The Dual Partnership. Rick and Sherry Brunzel are one of the partners and are in charge of care. Don't know if there are any other partners in this.
And, he came from the Babcock Ranch, right? Sold in the bankruptsy sale, right? Was he still breeding? |
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Location: Here | LRQHS - 2014-09-22 10:22 AM Did anyone already say who exactly owns the horses right now?
1992 Stallion
SIRE DAM MATERNAL GRANDSIRE
1089924PEPPY SAN BADGER1615218MISS DUAL DOC0986607DOC'S REMEDY
DESCRIPTIONNAMEADDRESSDATE OF SALEDATE TRANSFER RECORDED
BREEDER :GREG AND/OR LAURA WARDTULARE, CAN/AN/A
CURRENT OWNER :DUAL PEPPY PARTNERSCOLORADO SPRINGS, CO01/30/1998
2ND PREV OWNER :GREG AND/OR LAURA WARDTULARE, CA03/27/1992N/A
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Location: The edge of no where | There is a fb page, Justic for Dual Pep that has contact phone numbers and information on it. Babcock is trying to get him back. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | SG. - 2014-09-22 10:36 AM LRQHS - 2014-09-22 10:22 AM Did anyone already say who exactly owns the horses right now?
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SIRE DAM MATERNAL GRANDSIRE
1089924PEPPY SAN BADGER1615218MISS DUAL DOC0986607DOC'S REMEDY
DESCRIPTIONNAMEADDRESSDATE OF SALEDATE TRANSFER RECORDED
BREEDER :GREG AND/OR LAURA WARDTULARE, CAN/AN/A
CURRENT OWNER :DUAL PEPPY PARTNERSCOLORADO SPRINGS, CO01/30/1998
2ND PREV OWNER :GREG AND/OR LAURA WARDTULARE, CA03/27/1992N/A
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| JMHO but if it wasn't for Babcock's poor business practices, Dual Peppy never would have been put in this situation to begin with. Seems to me that they don't deserve him back either. Now I'm going to have to Google. Seems like he was sold when Babcock's declared bankruptcy a few years ago. I could be wrong though.
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Location: The edge of no where | Contact information to call for those not on fb.
FLOOD the authorities in the area with LETTERS, EMAILS, and PHONE CALLS until they have to do something about it.
COLORADO STATE VETERINARIAN’S OFFICE (303) 869-9130
EL PASO COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT (719) 390-5555
GOVENOR OF COLORADO
John W Hickenlooper, 136 State Capitol, Denver, CO 80203-1792
Phone, (303) 866-2471
Fax, (303) 866-2003
EL PASO COUNTY COMMISSIONERS (719) 520-7276
COLORADO BUREAU OF ANIMAL PROTECTION
The Colorado Bureau of Animal Protection is part of the Department of Agriculture. This site includes information about how to report animal abuse/neglect. Reports may be filed online or by phone at (303) 239-4167: |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Someone help me out here lol....CT Babcock wants him back.....did he own him? (I don't see his name on the owner record that SG pulled up) I'm with SKM. I don't see any reason for CT Babcock to get Dual Peppy either.
The current owner's husband "stressed" that they were his wife's horse's and that he should have "taken the bodies to the dump." I didn't know there was a horse dump.
This is a load of crap.
Also, does anyone know what other horses were there? Surely, they didn't just have Dual Peppy and a bunch of lower bred horses with him. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Here's another question. Has any one just gone over to the farm and offered the lady some money for these horses instead of calling the Governor?
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Da*it these news people and Sheriff people have no clue about horses, I dont care what the owners husband says, I just cant understand why they would do this, SELL the horses if you cant feed them. And what Vet is this person using?
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | oh they will just play the poor me card, cry the blues and get a slap on the wrist............ppl that do this shouldn't be allowed to own a worm.....useless piles of crap.....i am gonna try and not post on this anymore i get way to worked up......
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | mruggles - 2014-09-22 11:11 AM
oh they will just play the poor me card, cry the blues and get a slap on the wrist............ppl that do this shouldn't be allowed to own a worm.....useless piles of crap.....i am gonna try and not post on this anymore i get way to worked up......
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Considering the 4 foot tall piles of poop described in the reports...worms might be all they could really care for.
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Location: Here | LRQHS - 2014-09-22 10:43 AM SG. - 2014-09-22 10:36 AM LRQHS - 2014-09-22 10:22 AM Did anyone already say who exactly owns the horses right now? 1992 Stallion
SIRE DAM MATERNAL GRANDSIRE1089924PEPPY SAN BADGER1615218MISS DUAL DOC0986607DOC'S REMEDY DESCRIPTIONNAMEADDRESSDATE OF SALEDATE TRANSFER RECORDEDBREEDER :GREG AND/OR LAURA WARDTULARE, CAN/AN/A CURRENT OWNER :DUAL PEPPY PARTNERSCOLORADO SPRINGS, CO01/30/1998 2ND PREV OWNER :GREG AND/OR LAURA WARDTULARE, CA03/27/1992N/A 
But I did find this
http://www.equinebusinessbureau.com/dual-peppy-partners--performance-horse-partners-4656.html
http://www.qhd.com/ranch/ranch.asp?id=4198
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| LRQHS - 2014-09-22 11:06 AM
Here's another question. Has any one just gone over to the farm and offered the lady some money for these horses instead of calling the Governor?
That might be a little hard to do since the Sheriff has blocked off the barn as a crime seen and the owner has pad locked the barns and posted no trespassing signs. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | jbhoot - 2014-09-22 12:45 PM LRQHS - 2014-09-22 11:06 AM Here's another question. Has any one just gone over to the farm and offered the lady some money for these horses instead of calling the Governor? That might be a little hard to do since the Sheriff has blocked off the barn as a crime seen and the owner has pad locked the barns and posted no trespassing signs.
Are the owner's just refusing to get the horses help? This whole story is confusing. Who piles dead horses in a barn and covers them with tarps? They all died of colic? What? I'm imagining these are insured horses? |
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Location: The edge of no where | LRQHS - 2014-09-22 12:59 PM jbhoot - 2014-09-22 12:45 PM LRQHS - 2014-09-22 11:06 AM Here's another question. Has any one just gone over to the farm and offered the lady some money for these horses instead of calling the Governor? That might be a little hard to do since the Sheriff has blocked off the barn as a crime seen and the owner has pad locked the barns and posted no trespassing signs.
Very sick bastards that need to be locked up!
The story is freakin BIZARRE! but from what I can find they are claiming the horses coliced last winter in the cold so they just put tarps over them and left them in the barn. I'm hoping that the massive amount of attention this is getting will force action!
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| MS2011 - 2014-09-22 1:02 PM LRQHS - 2014-09-22 12:59 PM jbhoot - 2014-09-22 12:45 PM LRQHS - 2014-09-22 11:06 AM Here's another question. Has any one just gone over to the farm and offered the lady some money for these horses instead of calling the Governor? That might be a little hard to do since the Sheriff has blocked off the barn as a crime seen and the owner has pad locked the barns and posted no trespassing signs.
The story is freakin BIZARRE! but from what I can find they are claiming the horses coliced last winter in the cold so they just put tarps over them and left them in the barn. I'm hoping that the massive amount of attention this is getting will force action!
I had not even thought of the insurance angle- hope someone looks into that.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Well, let's just say that this bizarre story of colic is true....which is, also, insane, they've had plenty of time to bury them now....it's freaking September.
Does anyone know how much they paid for him? Did he sell privately or at auction? He's obviously very skinny and I'm doubting that he is still colicing from this past winter.... |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | rodeomom3 - 2014-09-22 1:05 PM MS2011 - 2014-09-22 1:02 PM LRQHS - 2014-09-22 12:59 PM jbhoot - 2014-09-22 12:45 PM LRQHS - 2014-09-22 11:06 AM Here's another question. Has any one just gone over to the farm and offered the lady some money for these horses instead of calling the Governor? That might be a little hard to do since the Sheriff has blocked off the barn as a crime seen and the owner has pad locked the barns and posted no trespassing signs.
The story is freakin BIZARRE! but from what I can find they are claiming the horses coliced last winter in the cold so they just put tarps over them and left them in the barn. I'm hoping that the massive amount of attention this is getting will force action!
They deserve jail time and a lot of it.
I'd like to "like" your post...but, someone has stolen my "like" button. |
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| LRQHS - 2014-09-22 1:08 PM rodeomom3 - 2014-09-22 1:05 PM MS2011 - 2014-09-22 1:02 PM LRQHS - 2014-09-22 12:59 PM jbhoot - 2014-09-22 12:45 PM LRQHS - 2014-09-22 11:06 AM Here's another question. Has any one just gone over to the farm and offered the lady some money for these horses instead of calling the Governor? That might be a little hard to do since the Sheriff has blocked off the barn as a crime seen and the owner has pad locked the barns and posted no trespassing signs.
The story is freakin BIZARRE! but from what I can find they are claiming the horses coliced last winter in the cold so they just put tarps over them and left them in the barn. I'm hoping that the massive amount of attention this is getting will force action!
They deserve jail time and a lot of it.
IDK though, I think to collect on mortality a vet has to verify and examine the corpse. Hopefully if a vet were called out they would have reported the conditions the horses were living in. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | What I want to know is just WHO exactly makes up Dual Peppy Partners? Who all are the "Partners" and where the heck are they? |
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Location: Washington | This story is all over the world. Not sure it can be ignored by the law in Colorado much longer. Hope we will hear the end results on where these horses end up. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | rodeomom3 - 2014-09-22 1:13 PM LRQHS - 2014-09-22 1:08 PM rodeomom3 - 2014-09-22 1:05 PM MS2011 - 2014-09-22 1:02 PM LRQHS - 2014-09-22 12:59 PM jbhoot - 2014-09-22 12:45 PM LRQHS - 2014-09-22 11:06 AM Here's another question. Has any one just gone over to the farm and offered the lady some money for these horses instead of calling the Governor? That might be a little hard to do since the Sheriff has blocked off the barn as a crime seen and the owner has pad locked the barns and posted no trespassing signs.
The story is freakin BIZARRE! but from what I can find they are claiming the horses coliced last winter in the cold so they just put tarps over them and left them in the barn. I'm hoping that the massive amount of attention this is getting will force action!
They deserve jail time and a lot of it.
Maybe, the vet is involved....
Yeap, we've had a rampant strain of colic this winter.... |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | If I had the "whole world" looking at me, I probably wouldn't lock my barn doors. I think at that point it's time to show that I'm ready to get a little outside help and do what's right for the horses. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | LRQHS - 2014-09-22 1:19 PM
If I had the "whole world" looking at me, I probably wouldn't lock my barn doors. I think at that point it's time to show that I'm ready to get a little outside help and do what's right for the horses.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Who has AQHA money? I'm out. Is Dual Peppy still siring offspring? He's 22, right? |
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| SKM - 2014-09-22 10:44 AM
JMHO but if it wasn't for Babcock's poor business practices, Dual Peppy never would have been put in this situation to begin with. Seems to me that they don't deserve him back either. Now I'm going to have to Google. Seems like he was sold when Babcock's declared bankruptcy a few years ago. I could be wrong though.
You are talking about the wrong Babcock. The one that is trying help out on this is CT. Babcock the son. The father Jim Babcock was the one that ran Babcock Ranch Inc. I don't think that either of the Babcocks ever owned Dual Peppy but only managed him at one point I could be wrong. I don't think Dual Peppy was involved in the bankrupt sale. |
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| Babcocks have never claimed to own him, they put the deal together and this happened over 14 years ago! I personally was sitting with C.T. When he heard the news and he had tears running! I know a lot of people on this site hide behind fake names and profiles but I won't! Nor will I not stand up for so someone that is just trying to do the right thing! If it hadnt been for CT and Kellene this story would have already been yesterday's news!
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Location: The edge of no where | Could we all take 2 min and email this guy???
UPDATE ON BLACK FOREST HORSE ABUSE CASE *** There is a hearing tomorrow morning ( Tues. 9 AM ) at commissioners court in Colorado Springs. Please send a respectful email to Commissioner Darryl Glenn asking that the horses be moved to a safe environment. His email is darrylglenn@elpasoco.com - Cutting horse breeder Linda Holmes will address the court on behalf of the horses. If you wish to attend, please be respectful and dress respectfully. Loud protests will not assist anything.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | cobrlracer - 2014-09-22 1:44 PM Babcocks have never claimed to own him, they put the deal together and this happened over 14 years ago! I personally was sitting with C.T. When he heard the news and he had tears running! I know a lot of people on this site hide behind fake names and profiles but I won't! Nor will I not stand up for so someone that is just trying to do the right thing! If it hadnt been for CT and Kellene this story would have already been yesterday's news! Rande I can speak for myself and say that I'm not hiding behind any fake name. I am asking questions and trying to figure out what is going on. It is very confusing at best. So, you're saying that Mr. Babcock's wanting to help the horse because he put a deal together 14 years ago? That's admirable. I'm sure that a lot of people would step up and do the same thing for him and the other's there. It was just confusing as to where Mr. Babcock actally fit in to this whole deal. If you know any of the other answers to the questions, please answer and help us to understand this situation more fully. Thanks.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | MS2011 - 2014-09-22 1:45 PM Could we all take 2 min and email this guy???
UPDATE ON BLACK FOREST HORSE ABUSE CASE *** There is a hearing tomorrow morning ( Tues. 9 AM ) at commissioners court in Colorado Springs. Please send a respectful email to Commissioner Darryl Glenn asking that the horses be moved to a safe environment. His email is darrylglenn@elpasoco.com - Cutting horse breeder Linda Holmes will address the court on behalf of the horses. If you wish to attend, please be respectful and dress respectfully. Loud protests will not assist anything.
I just sent a email to him, hope that everybody else sends him one, just a simple one so that they know that we are all watching hows this turns out. |
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Exactly - please no rants. Just a quick respectful email requesting his assistance with getting the horses to safety. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | MS2011 - 2014-09-22 2:17 PM Exactly - please no rants. Just a quick respectful email requesting his assistance with getting the horses to safety.
Mine was very simple, I just asked him to help there poor horses, and tolded him Thank you for being there...
Boy I hope they can do someting fast to get these horses out of there. If I was closer to them I would offer to take a few. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | cobrlracer - 2014-09-22 1:44 PM Babcocks have never claimed to own him, they put the deal together and this happened over 14 years ago! I personally was sitting with C.T. When he heard the news and he had tears running! I know a lot of people on this site hide behind fake names and profiles but I won't! Nor will I not stand up for so someone that is just trying to do the right thing! If it hadnt been for CT and Kellene this story would have already been yesterday's news! Rande
Just kinda rubbed me wrong on you saying people hide behind a fake name on here, that is wrong, there is many on here that help out others when needed. Nobody is hiding... |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Here is what I sent to the Commissioner. And I included my name/address etc. My "real name" no less.
Commissioner Glenn,
Those of us in the “horse sport world” have been saddened to learn of the apparent abuse case involving World Champion cutting horse Dual Peppy and several other horses in your county. I do not know if you are a knowledgeable horse person or not…so I’d like to express my feelings on the situation these horses have been enduring. While some non-horse folks might feel that the explanation of the deaths of the other 12 or so horses as being from “colic” over the winter…I would highly doubt that to be the case. If you have a horse colic you call in a vet or treat accordingly. It is a GI issue that can certainly occur in horses…but the coincidence of all 12 suffering from colic and dying is beyond the realm of possibility unless they failed to treat the horses and or the general state of neglect we see today existed at that time as well.
Regardless…horses stalled in a barn with decomposing carcasses and piled up manure has no excuse. Neither can they explain away the very poor condition of these animals. If you do not intervene and remove the remaining animals from her care I believe they will persist in these terrible conditions and/or die as the other before them. If they were capable of providing proper food and care and chose to keep these horses in this state that only serves to show they are not fit to own them. These were not uneducated new horse owners. They had resources and connections in the horse world. They could have sought help. Instead they watched them suffer and die one by one.
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Location: Nevada | Former owner "Bowling is determined to right this wrong. He said he would love to take Dual Peppy back.
"I put him in this hell. I am responsible for selling him to those people. I owe him, I told these people I will take him and give him a home for the rest of his life and take care of him like he deserves to be," said Bowling.
Video and story here:
http://www.krdo.com/news/renowned-stallion-among-horses-found-seemingly-starving/28181900
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Location: The edge of no where | Additional emails for commissioners..... please take 5 min and write them.
Sallieclark@elpasoco.com
Amylathen@elpasoco.com Peggylittleton@elpasoco.com
The email will be part of the record. The commisioners can help I takes to them today. The can help . Please keep your e mail short and professional. Give them Youre contact information. Be sure and thank them for hearing you're concern.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Oh I pray that they take these horses and place them in homes that will take care of them, |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Ok, I'm not seeing a Bowling on the owner list either......I think it's fairly safe to say that almost any person that knows who this horse is would be willing to take him in and take care of him. I'm going to go ahead and throw my name into the hat too. I'll be more that happy to take him and give him a loving home. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | LRQHS - 2014-09-22 4:29 PM Ok, I'm not seeing a Bowling on the owner list either......I think it's fairly safe to say that almost any person that knows who this horse is would be willing to take him in and take care of him. I'm going to go ahead and throw my name into the hat too. I'll be more that happy to take him and give him a loving home.
Didn't you know that I was a former owner too. Heck, add me to the list - seems all the other people aren't listed on "paper" either as an owner. Maybe, they all got tired of waiting on papers to be transferred and never registered him in their name. That is what I did............................................ |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Now, what I want to know is who put the rest of the horses in this situation and why aren't they stepping forward to give those horses a great home too? |
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Location: Where I am happiest | LRQHS - 2014-09-22 3:29 PM Ok, I'm not seeing a Bowling on the owner list either......I think it's fairly safe to say that almost any person that knows who this horse is would be willing to take him in and take care of him. I'm going to go ahead and throw my name into the hat too. I'll be more that happy to take him and give him a loving home.
I believe he was the agent.
http://oasisranchinc.com/pete-bowling/ |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | ThreeCorners - 2014-09-22 3:44 PM LRQHS - 2014-09-22 3:29 PM Ok, I'm not seeing a Bowling on the owner list either......I think it's fairly safe to say that almost any person that knows who this horse is would be willing to take him in and take care of him. I'm going to go ahead and throw my name into the hat too. I'll be more that happy to take him and give him a loving home. I believe he was the agent.
http://oasisranchinc.com/pete-bowling/
Ok, so he's the agent, not CT? I feel like we need a list of player's and what role they actually played in all of this. |
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| ThreeCorners - 2014-09-22 3:44 PM
LRQHS - 2014-09-22 3:29 PM Ok, I'm not seeing a Bowling on the owner list either......I think it's fairly safe to say that almost any person that knows who this horse is would be willing to take him in and take care of him. I'm going to go ahead and throw my name into the hat too. I'll be more that happy to take him and give him a loving home.
I believe he was the agent.
http://oasisranchinc.com/pete-bowling/
Yes Bowling was the agent in the sale. The previous poster miss Quoted what he said. He never said he owned him but feels responsible since he handled the sale. The interview is on face book. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Maybe a timeline of sorts.... |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | della - 2014-09-22 3:49 PM I wish all starved and neglected horses caused this much outrage ..... maybe it would become far less common.
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| LRQHS - 2014-09-22 3:49 PM
ThreeCorners - 2014-09-22 3:44 PM LRQHS - 2014-09-22 3:29 PM Ok, I'm not seeing a Bowling on the owner list either......I think it's fairly safe to say that almost any person that knows who this horse is would be willing to take him in and take care of him. I'm going to go ahead and throw my name into the hat too. I'll be more that happy to take him and give him a loving home. I believe he was the agent.
http://oasisranchinc.com/pete-bowling/
Bowling was the general manger at the Babcock ranch. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | jbhoot - 2014-09-22 3:58 PM LRQHS - 2014-09-22 3:49 PM ThreeCorners - 2014-09-22 3:44 PM LRQHS - 2014-09-22 3:29 PM Ok, I'm not seeing a Bowling on the owner list either......I think it's fairly safe to say that almost any person that knows who this horse is would be willing to take him in and take care of him. I'm going to go ahead and throw my name into the hat too. I'll be more that happy to take him and give him a loving home. I believe he was the agent.
http://oasisranchinc.com/pete-bowling/ Bowling was the general manger at the Babcock ranch.
And, the current owner has had him for how many years? |
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Location: Where I am happiest | LRQHS - 2014-09-22 3:49 PM ThreeCorners - 2014-09-22 3:44 PM LRQHS - 2014-09-22 3:29 PM Ok, I'm not seeing a Bowling on the owner list either......I think it's fairly safe to say that almost any person that knows who this horse is would be willing to take him in and take care of him. I'm going to go ahead and throw my name into the hat too. I'll be more that happy to take him and give him a loving home. I believe he was the agent.
http://oasisranchinc.com/pete-bowling/
If memory serves me right, Pete Bowling worked for Babcocks back when. I believe Dual Peppy stood at Babcock ranch at one time. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2014-09-22 2:32 PM cobrlracer - 2014-09-22 1:44 PM Babcocks have never claimed to own him, they put the deal together and this happened over 14 years ago! I personally was sitting with C.T. When he heard the news and he had tears running! I know a lot of people on this site hide behind fake names and profiles but I won't! Nor will I not stand up for so someone that is just trying to do the right thing! If it hadnt been for CT and Kellene this story would have already been yesterday's news! Rande Just kinda rubbed me wrong on you saying people hide behind a fake name on here, that is wrong, there is many on here that help out others when needed. Nobody is hiding...
I can attest to that!!!! the part about the great people on this sight helping others!!! |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I'm not sure how they walked in to that barn to feed with all those dead horses. You know that stunk. |
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Location: Here | della - 2014-09-22 3:49 PM I wish all starved and neglected horses caused this much outrage ..... maybe it would become far less common.
The picture of the gray horse last week found chained to a tree in the woods and the chain was around the horses neck tied low made me sick |
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Location: Kansas | SG. - 2014-09-22 4:16 PM della - 2014-09-22 3:49 PM I wish all starved and neglected horses caused this much outrage ..... maybe it would become far less common. The picture of the gray horse last week found chained to a tree in the woods and the chain was around the horses neck tied low made me sick
was that horse dead? I saw a glimpse but couldn't look at it :( |
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| LRQHS - 2014-09-22 4:00 PM
jbhoot - 2014-09-22 3:58 PM LRQHS - 2014-09-22 3:49 PM ThreeCorners - 2014-09-22 3:44 PM LRQHS - 2014-09-22 3:29 PM Ok, I'm not seeing a Bowling on the owner list either......I think it's fairly safe to say that almost any person that knows who this horse is would be willing to take him in and take care of him. I'm going to go ahead and throw my name into the hat too. I'll be more that happy to take him and give him a loving home. I believe he was the agent.
http://oasisranchinc.com/pete-bowling/ Bowling was the general manger at the Babcock ranch.
Don't hold this as fact but as I remember Dual Peppy was breed and foaled on the Babcock Ranch. The mare he is out of was owned by someone in Canada. I don't think he ever left until he was sold around 6 or 7. But that was about 16 or so years ago. I do remember that it was a big deal at the in the reining and cutting business it was rumored at the time it was for a heck of a lot of money. But as I said I am getting old so don't hold this as fact. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | LRQHS - 2014-09-22 1:24 PM Who has AQHA money? I'm out. Is Dual Peppy still siring offspring? He's 22, right?
REG. NO.HORSE'S NAMECOLORSEX DATE FOALST
3113937DUAL PEPPYSORRELSTALLION03/27/1992CA
Additional Horse Information for DUAL PEPPY: - Genetic Typed
- 2000 Breeding Season Incentive Fund Stallion
- Dam Has Embryo Enrollment
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CURRENT OWNER :DUAL PEPPY PARTNERSCOLORADO SPRINGS, CO01/30/199805/04/1998
2ND PREV OWNER :GREG AND/OR LAURA WARDTULARE, CA03/27/1992N/A
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$ 5.00 Current Year (2014) Performing51 Foals
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Location: Here | hoofs_in_motion - 2014-09-22 4:27 PM SG. - 2014-09-22 4:16 PM della - 2014-09-22 3:49 PM I wish all starved and neglected horses caused this much outrage ..... maybe it would become far less common. The picture of the gray horse last week found chained to a tree in the woods and the chain was around the horses neck tied low made me sick
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Location: lone star state | Justice for Dual Peppy
7 mins · Edited · A GREAT BIG THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO MADE THIS HAPPEN! - We have just been told that the Humane Society is on their way to confiscate the horses & get them the help they need! Thank you, thank you, thank you! YOU ARE ALL AWESOME!!! We were able to reach over 583,000 people worldwide in less than 24 hours & bring these horses to safety! My heart is just overwhelmed with emotion! Thank you! -- WE COULD NOT HAVE MADE THIS HAPPEN WITHOUT YOU! You all are my heros! Kellie
Awesome news for these poor horses! Glad to know they will be cared for until this messgets sorted out. Praying for justice. |
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Location: Northeast Nebraska | jbhoot - 2014-09-22 8:00 AM SKM - 2014-09-22 7:45 AM There is no excuse for starving any horse, let alone a horse like Dual Peppy. As for the skeletal remains...it is illegal to bury a large animal in the state if CO due to ground water contamination. I'm not trying to support the owner by any means or excuss the condition of the animals. But maybe covering them in lime and tarping the bodies was her way if disposing of them by not burying them. I know a guy that lives by me dumps the bodies of his dead cows in his aug pond right by the highway and let's Mother Nature take her course. It's gross. But it's legal. I also have to question why the State wasn't contacted by anyone. The State has a division that specializes in large animal cruelty. The El Paso County Sheriffs,all the horse rescue ggroups, the media, etc didn't contact them. Why? Seems to me they would be the first place to contact. Yes, the condition of the horses is wrong and something needs to be done. But I think there us a lot more to the story than meets the eye. Especially given that the main group that specializes in these cases has yet to be contacted. This just came out on Friday so maybe they will be brought in today. There is a campaign to call every one in government today going on the face book page.
I had to put my yearling down in June. Since I have to board, burying was not an option for me either. The b**** that starved and abused these horses should have called a rendering truck. That's what I had to do. There is NO EXCUSE for this situation, NONE. |
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Location: Northeast Nebraska | SKM - 2014-09-22 10:44 AM JMHO but if it wasn't for Babcock's poor business practices, Dual Peppy never would have been put in this situation to begin with. Seems to me that they don't deserve him back either. Now I'm going to have to Google. Seems like he was sold when Babcock's declared bankruptcy a few years ago. I could be wrong though.
Wow. So someone loses his business, goes bankrupt, does the right thing and sells the animals, versus locking it in a barn to starve to death and it's his fault that b**** did what she did? And if his financial situation is better now, he doesn't "deserve" to buy the horse back? Talk about judgmental and skewed thinking. Better hope you never have a financial crisis and have to sell your animals. |
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Location: Flat Rock,IL | firewaterfuelsme - 2014-09-22 6:21 PM
Justice for Dual Peppy
7 mins · Edited · A GREAT BIG THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO MADE THIS HAPPEN! - We have just been told that the Humane Society is on their way to confiscate the horses & get them the help they need! Thank you, thank you, thank you! YOU ARE ALL AWESOME!!! We were able to reach over 583,000 people worldwide in less than 24 hours & bring these horses to safety! My heart is just overwhelmed with emotion! Thank you! -- WE COULD NOT HAVE MADE THIS HAPPEN WITHOUT YOU! You all are my heros! Kellie
Awesome news for these poor horses! Glad to know they will be cared for until this messgets sorted out. Praying for justice.
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Location: Here | firewaterfuelsme - 2014-09-22 6:21 PM Justice for Dual Peppy 7 mins · Edited · A GREAT BIG THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO MADE THIS HAPPEN! - We have just been told that the Humane Society is on their way to confiscate the horses & get them the help they need! Thank you, thank you, thank you! YOU ARE ALL AWESOME!!! We were able to reach over 583,000 people worldwide in less than 24 hours & bring these horses to safety! My heart is just overwhelmed with emotion! Thank you! -- WE COULD NOT HAVE MADE THIS HAPPEN WITHOUT YOU! You all are my heros! Kellie Awesome news for these poor horses! Glad to know they will be cared for until this messgets sorted out. Praying for justice.
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Location: Washington | First off I am thrilled that these horses are getting help, so many do not. Also heads up to all of you that sell. ARE you always going to be responsible to said horse till death do it part.....I think not. Most breeders sell hundreds of horses in their life time, not sure they should have their feet held to a fire due to abuse by an idiot. Most sellers want nothing but the best for said animal, but lets face it, once they drive off the property or lot, it's out of your control. Not sure why the paper trail on this very famous horse matters, he just got into the wrong hands, and there is only one person to blame....the OWNER. |
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Location: lone star state | The babcock horses were part of a court ordered dispersal. The owners had no choice. They had choices that got them into trouble but you cannot point fingers at them for this horse being in the condition he is today. Shame on the current caretakers! CT Babcock is an heir and was not a part of the decision making process that got the babcock ranch into trouble. I hope he gets the opportunity to purchase the horse and bring him forever home where dual peppy has earned the right to be well cared for life. |
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| fatchance - 2014-09-22 7:35 PM
First off I am thrilled that these horses are getting help, so many do not. Also heads up to all of you that sell. ARE you always going to be responsible to said horse till death do it part.....I think not. Most breeders sell hundreds of horses in their life time, not sure they should have their feet held to a fire due to abuse by an idiot. Most sellers want nothing but the best for said animal, but lets face it, once they drive off the property or lot, it's out of your control. Not sure why the paper trail on this very famous horse matters, he just got into the wrong hands, and there is only one person to blame....the OWNER.
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Location: Here | fatchance - 2014-09-22 7:35 PM First off I am thrilled that these horses are getting help, so many do not. Also heads up to all of you that sell. ARE you always going to be responsible to said horse till death do it part.....I think not. Most breeders sell hundreds of horses in their life time, not sure they should have their feet held to a fire due to abuse by an idiot. Most sellers want nothing but the best for said animal, but lets face it, once they drive off the property or lot, it's out of your control. Not sure why the paper trail on this very famous horse matters, he just got into the wrong hands, and there is only one person to blame....the OWNER.
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| SG. - 2014-09-22 8:08 PM fatchance - 2014-09-22 7:35 PM First off I am thrilled that these horses are getting help, so many do not. Also heads up to all of you that sell. ARE you always going to be responsible to said horse till death do it part.....I think not. Most breeders sell hundreds of horses in their life time, not sure they should have their feet held to a fire due to abuse by an idiot. Most sellers want nothing but the best for said animal, but lets face it, once they drive off the property or lot, it's out of your control. Not sure why the paper trail on this very famous horse matters, he just got into the wrong hands, and there is only one person to blame....the OWNER. exactly
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Location: My happy place | SG. - 2014-09-22 9:08 PM fatchance - 2014-09-22 7:35 PM First off I am thrilled that these horses are getting help, so many do not. Also heads up to all of you that sell. ARE you always going to be responsible to said horse till death do it part.....I think not. Most breeders sell hundreds of horses in their life time, not sure they should have their feet held to a fire due to abuse by an idiot. Most sellers want nothing but the best for said animal, but lets face it, once they drive off the property or lot, it's out of your control. Not sure why the paper trail on this very famous horse matters, he just got into the wrong hands, and there is only one person to blame....the OWNER. exactly
I miss the like button. I believe I read somewhere that the current caretaker/owner's husband spoke in court on behalf registering embro transfers.
Some how this does not susprise me. I can't believe more information has not come out on the owners, would love to hear how this happened. Not that any excuse would change my opinion of them, but I still want to know.
Someone has to know them.......just who forms a partnership spends a boatload of $$$$$ on a horse, and when he gets old, just decides to starve them and let them rot? I know some people are not hands on in the horse business, but not one partner even cared? I sure would like to know who the partners are so I can never do business with anything they own.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | As someone that breeds and sells, my answer is, yes. It is the current owners responsibility, but if they can't care for the horse anymore, I will gladly take them back and care for them...and, if I can't I will find someone who can. No questions asked. Period. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Palopony - 2014-09-22 8:34 PM SG. - 2014-09-22 9:08 PM fatchance - 2014-09-22 7:35 PM First off I am thrilled that these horses are getting help, so many do not. Also heads up to all of you that sell. ARE you always going to be responsible to said horse till death do it part.....I think not. Most breeders sell hundreds of horses in their life time, not sure they should have their feet held to a fire due to abuse by an idiot. Most sellers want nothing but the best for said animal, but lets face it, once they drive off the property or lot, it's out of your control. Not sure why the paper trail on this very famous horse matters, he just got into the wrong hands, and there is only one person to blame....the OWNER. exactly
Some how this does not susprise me. I can't believe more information has not come out on the owners, would love to hear how this happened. Not that any excuse would change my opinion of them, but I still want to know.
Someone has to know them.......just who forms a partnership spends a boatload of $$$$$ on a horse, and when he gets old, just decides to starve them and let them rot? I know some people are not hands on in the horse business, but not one partner even cared? I sure would like to know who the partners are so I can never do business with anything they own.
Some have said ......wait till all the facts come out. I'm sorry IMO no excuse for horses to live like that.
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Location: Where I am happiest | Update....The remaigning horses that are still alive have been siezed!
http://www.krdo.com/news/neglected-black-forest-horses-seized/28195126 |
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Location: Washington | And knowing the partners changes what for the horses....more guilty worthless humans? Okay if that is what you need to know rock on. Don't check into what Japan is known to do with "Famous" horses. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | So glad to get on here and see such a good update |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | My answer to knowing the partners is that knowing who they are gives me knowledge....knowledge of who not to do business with in the future. It's not about the almighty dollar, it's about doing the best with what you have....information, money, education, etc... |
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Location: Where I am happiest | fatchance - 2014-09-22 9:02 PM And knowing the partners changes what for the horses....more guilty worthless humans? Okay if that is what you need to know rock on. Don't check into what Japan is known to do with "Famous" horses.
Because if they knowingly let this go on, then yes, they are pond scum and just as guilty!! This horse earned more then it would cost to care for him in a proper mannor his entire life. Usually in a "Partnership" all partners are charged a monthly fee for the care of the horse. If they were paying, and the horse obviously wasnt recieving proper care then they can and should file suit. Not to mention the legalities of trying to get their property back now that he has been siezed. It is a very sad situation and epic failure on the owners and care takers part. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | LRQHS - 2014-09-22 9:09 PM My answer to knowing the partners is that knowing who they are gives me knowledge....knowledge of who not to do business with in the future. It's not about the almighty dollar, it's about doing the best with what you have....information, money, education, etc...
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Location: Florida.. | if they went bankrupt or foreclosed all assets were froze.. courts say sell.. they have to.. not in babcocks hands.. it happens.. its horrible and Im sure they feel horrible it happened and Im sure had NO idea he was or any of them were being starved.. the current owner and partners are to blame
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Location: Washington | LRQHS - 2014-09-22 7:09 PM My answer to knowing the partners is that knowing who they are gives me knowledge....knowledge of who not to do business with in the future. It's not about the almighty dollar, it's about doing the best with what you have....information, money, education, etc...
Then make sure you never put a price on a horse and or put one through a catalog sale. I hope people who are in a syndication/partnership are taking notes....I stand by what I said. |
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Location: My happy place | fatchance - 2014-09-22 10:02 PM And knowing the partners changes what for the horses....more guilty worthless humans? Okay if that is what you need to know rock on. Don't check into what Japan is known to do with "Famous" horses.
Changes nothing for the horses. I just want to know who the worthless humans are. I saw them on TV, didn't look like they missed many meals. Just what kind of person does this?
I don't buy much from Japan, eat their food or sell them horses. IMO just can't police the world.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | fatchance - 2014-09-22 9:18 PM
LRQHS - 2014-09-22 7:09 PM My answer to knowing the partners is that knowing who they are gives me knowledge....knowledge of who not to do business with in the future. It's not about the almighty dollar, it's about doing the best with what you have....information, money, education, etc...
Then make sure you never put a price on a horse and or put one through a catalog sale. I hope people who are in a syndication/partnership are taking notes....I stand by what I said.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | fatchance - 2014-09-22 7:35 PM
First off I am thrilled that these horses are getting help, so many do not. Also heads up to all of you that sell. ARE you always going to be responsible to said horse till death do it part.....I think not. Most breeders sell hundreds of horses in their life time, not sure they should have their feet held to a fire due to abuse by an idiot. Most sellers want nothing but the best for said animal, but lets face it, once they drive off the property or lot, it's out of your control. Not sure why the paper trail on this very famous horse matters, he just got into the wrong hands, and there is only one person to blame....the OWNER.
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| fatchance - 2014-09-22 9:18 PM
LRQHS - 2014-09-22 7:09 PM My answer to knowing the partners is that knowing who they are gives me knowledge....knowledge of who not to do business with in the future. It's not about the almighty dollar, it's about doing the best with what you have....information, money, education, etc...
Then make sure you never put a price on a horse and or put one through a catalog sale. I hope people who are in a syndication/partnership are taking notes....I stand by what I said.
Yep you are right Fatchance. It all depends on what kind of partnership it is. If it is a general partnership than it could just be the husband and the wife and maybe one or two more. However if it is a limited partnership it could have hundreds of partners. This type of partnership has two classes of partners General and Limited. The general partners controls everything. The limited partners control almost nothing but share in the profits if any. I am sure it will come out in the next few days what type it is. Most syndications are limited partnerships. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I don't see that as an excuse, JB. Do I want to know if you partnered on a horse and didn't keep track of it's well being? You betcha. Does that exclude my horses from your business? I could care less. (I don't mean you...just in general) |
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Location: Where I am happiest | My sources are saying they purchased Dual Peppy for $700,000. Yes, SEVEN HUNDRED THOUSAND!! |
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Location: Flat Rock,IL | ThreeCorners - 2014-09-22 10:21 PM
My sources are saying they purchased Dual Peppy for $700,000. Yes, SEVEN HUNDRED THOUSAND!!
Just don't make since, a horse worth that much being starved to death. I don't care what crap they come up with, who ever did this is a sick person!. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | ThreeCorners - 2014-09-22 10:21 PM
My sources are saying they purchased Dual Peppy for $700,000. Yes, SEVEN HUNDRED THOUSAND!!
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Location: Washington | ThreeCorners - 2014-09-22 8:21 PM My sources are saying they purchased Dual Peppy for $700,000. Yes, SEVEN HUNDRED THOUSAND!!
Just goes to show...money means NOTHING. Some need a tax deduction. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | The whole story makes no sense. They had horses for years.....so, they cover them with a tarp in the barn when they die......horses that supposedly coliced in extreme cold LAST WINTER.....dude said he couldn't dump them because they were thousand pound horses.....but, I'm pretty sure their bones didn't weigh that much......this whole story is bizarrre. |
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Location: Colorado | cobrlracer - 2014-09-22 1:44 PM Babcocks have never claimed to own him, they put the deal together and this happened over 14 years ago! I personally was sitting with C.T. When he heard the news and he had tears running! I know a lot of people on this site hide behind fake names and profiles but I won't! Nor will I not stand up for so someone that is just trying to do the right thing! If it hadnt been for CT and Kellene this story would have already been yesterday's news! Rande
Oh Bat C......!
Stop the nonsense. CT and Kellene had NOTHING to do with what happened today. The FB page had nothing to do with what happened today.
The original report was Friday afternoon. The horses were taken out today. Like it or not there are legal ways of doing this. Vet reports and judges who had to be involved. And arrangements for the horses care at an undisclosed location. This is standard for Colorado.
CT has no rights to any of the horses. And who ever his "friend" is that is running the face book page has most certainly claimed Babcocks were the previous owners.
Funny you want to rant about people here hiding behind fake names and profiles. You don't share much either.
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Location: CA | What happened today had everything to do with the pressure from thousands of people demanding they do something immediately and yes that was due to social media (FB) spreading the word quickly. Earlier today they (El Paso sherrifs dept.) could/would do nothing to remove them, then later a vet was allowed to go out there and amazingly they were seized, hmm seemingly after media got involved, attorneys contacted the governor (per FB), AOL put in as a headline, the countless people getting involved (calling the resources offered on FB page to see change). Thanks to all these people, they helped these horses get out...
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Location: The edge of no where | I do think the public outcry made a difference. I called the sherriffs department yesterday morning and was assured their mounted patrol was working with the owners and the horses would be fine where they were. Called again in the late afternoon and they said they had been flooded with calls all day and were documenting everything to build a record. Do a bit of research on this sheriff, he seems like a scumbag. The fb page did give out enough information to get thousands of people to pressure them to remove the horses......and it involved several media outlets. I think there needs to continue to be pressure to charge this woman with cruelty.
Also, think of this.... Now everyone knows who sherry brunzell is, not just random pond scum, thousands of people know her identity and will be pressuring for this not to be let go.
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Location: Where I am happiest | I strongly believe the facebook page and all the public pressure had ALOT if not everything to do with the horses finally getting the help they needed.
On another note, check this out!!! This is a gem of a find and shows just how crazy these people are. http://www.krdo.com/news/former-gop-chairman-woman-facing-animal-cruelty-charges-previously-considered-a-security-threat/28198778 |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Why is it in these cases of starving neglected animals...the piece of crap owners look so well fed?! I'd go without food myself before I would let an animal I own go without.
There's a special seat in the hot place for these folks.
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Location: Oklahoma | jbhoot - 2014-09-22 9:39 PM fatchance - 2014-09-22 9:18 PM LRQHS - 2014-09-22 7:09 PM My answer to knowing the partners is that knowing who they are gives me knowledge....knowledge of who not to do business with in the future. It's not about the almighty dollar, it's about doing the best with what you have....information, money, education, etc... Then make sure you never put a price on a horse and or put one through a catalog sale. I hope people who are in a syndication/partnership are taking notes....I stand by what I said. Yep you are right Fatchance. It all depends on what kind of partnership it is. If it is a general partnership than it could just be the husband and the wife and maybe one or two more. However if it is a limited partnership it could have hundreds of partners. This type of partnership has two classes of partners General and Limited. The general partners controls everything. The limited partners control almost nothing but share in the profits if any. I am sure it will come out in the next few days what type it is. Most syndications are limited partnerships.
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Location: My happy place | I agree, I saw in one interview where she said the deaths were caused by the change of seasons. I'm old and I have never heard that excuse, or lost one to seasonal changes. I believe it was "She was to lazy to feed season".
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | SG. - 2014-09-23 12:06 PM Unreal. I don't see any mental issues. I see a person that knows exactly what she is doing and doesn't give a rats behind
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| Palopony - 2014-09-23 12:24 PM I agree, I saw in one interview where she said the deaths were caused by the change of seasons. I'm old and I have never heard that excuse, or lost one to seasonal changes. I believe it was "She was to lazy to feed season".
Just a public service announcement ..... be very careful seasons are about to change.
Yeah right.... Season change... why is that I didn't lose ONE horse to season changes and in Minnesota that could be daily.... HECK forget daily HOURLY.. And back in the day we had no clue what we were doing... The first horse we lost was a mare having twins... all three died... NOT the season change. |
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Location: Kentucky | TrailGirl - 2014-09-22 3:07 PM
Here is what I sent to the Commissioner. And I included my name/address etc. My "real name" no less.
Commissioner Glenn,
Those of us in the “horse sport world” have been saddened to learn of the apparent abuse case involving World Champion cutting horse Dual Peppy and several other horses in your county. I do not know if you are a knowledgeable horse person or not…so I’d like to express my feelings on the situation these horses have been enduring. While some non-horse folks might feel that the explanation of the deaths of the other 12 or so horses as being from “colic” over the winter…I would highly doubt that to be the case. If you have a horse colic you call in a vet or treat accordingly. It is a GI issue that can certainly occur in horses…but the coincidence of all 12 suffering from colic and dying is beyond the realm of possibility unless they failed to treat the horses and or the general state of neglect we see today existed at that time as well.
Regardless…horses stalled in a barn with decomposing carcasses and piled up manure has no excuse. Neither can they explain away the very poor condition of these animals. If you do not intervene and remove the remaining animals from her care I believe they will persist in these terrible conditions and/or die as the other before them. If they were capable of providing proper food and care and chose to keep these horses in this state that only serves to show they are not fit to own them. These were not uneducated new horse owners. They had resources and connections in the horse world. They could have sought help. Instead they watched them suffer and die one by one.
Please do the right thing and remove all horses from their care.
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Location: Where I am happiest | Here is a VERY interesting in depth article on this travesty. Well worth the read and sheds a lot of light on many unanswered questions. http://allaboutcutting.net/ |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Wow...now that's a refreshing change to have a well written article with lots of details. Thanks for posting that.
So they borrowed the money to buy that stallion in the first place. That's ridiculous. Wonder what sort of insurance policies they had for these horses. And the details on the seemingly corrupt Sheriff were very interesting as well. Not surprising that he didn't care enough to remove the horses from those conditions. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | TrailGirl - 2014-09-24 8:09 AM Wow...now that's a refreshing change to have a well written article with lots of details. Thanks for posting that.
So they borrowed the money to buy that stallion in the first place. That's ridiculous. Wonder what sort of insurance policies they had for these horses. And the details on the seemingly corrupt Sheriff were very interesting as well. Not surprising that he didn't care enough to remove the horses from those conditions.
I was glad to see the financial institution that granted the loan has filled suit on Sherri Brunzell.
I am out of AQHA money for the month. I would LOVE to see the owner records on her or the Dual Peppy partners to see what other horses are registered to them. I highly doubt they had just the one good horse. Maybe then they can figure out what other horses went through this dungeon of death. |
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Location: Flat Rock,IL | Do you think they may had several horse, that we're worth a lot and had loans on them too?, then starve them and try to get the Insurance on them. I don't know how horse Insurance works, on them. Do they cover the total value of the horse? And do they have to have a vet say, what they died of, in order to get the money. I kinda just read a little on horse Insurance, they have to be valued around thirty thousands to get coverage. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | Kcaughran - 2014-09-25 12:45 PM Do you think they may had several horse, that we're worth a lot and had loans on them too?, then starve them and try to get the Insurance on them. I don't know how horse Insurance works, on them. Do they cover the total value of the horse? And do they have to have a vet say, what they died of, in order to get the money. I kinda just read a little on horse Insurance, they have to be valued around thirty thousands to get coverage.
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Location: Flat Rock,IL | mruggles - 2014-09-24 1:53 PM
Kcaughran - 2014-09-25 12:45 PM Do you think they may had several horse, that we're worth a lot and had loans on them too?, then starve them and try to get the Insurance on them. I don't know how horse Insurance works, on them. Do they cover the total value of the horse? And do they have to have a vet say, what they died of, in order to get the money. I kinda just read a little on horse Insurance, they have to be valued around thirty thousands to get coverage.
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Pre-policy proof of health: Before approving an application for horses worth more than a specified amount (usually $25,000 or $30,000), companies require the owner to pay for a veterinary exam. For horses worth less than that, owners must complete a declaration-of-health form. (Note: Be "up front" about your horse's medical history. If, while investigating a claim, your insurance company discovers records of a previously unreported problem, the discovery could nullify your policy or result in additional exclusions. - See more at: http://practicalhorsemanmag.com/article/understand-equine-insurance... Okay, I read that wrong. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | Kcaughran - 2014-09-25 12:58 PM mruggles - 2014-09-24 1:53 PM Kcaughran - 2014-09-25 12:45 PM Do you think they may had several horse, that we're worth a lot and had loans on them too?, then starve them and try to get the Insurance on them. I don't know how horse Insurance works, on them. Do they cover the total value of the horse? And do they have to have a vet say, what they died of, in order to get the money. I kinda just read a little on horse Insurance, they have to be valued around thirty thousands to get coverage. you can insure anyhorse you want for any amount...at least we can up here
m Pre-policy proof of health: Before approving an application for horses worth more than a specified amount (usually $25,000 or $30,000 ), companies require the owner to pay for a veterinary exam. For horses worth less than that, owners must complete a declaration-of-health form. (Note: Be "up front" about your horse's medical history. If, while investigating a claim, your insurance company discovers records of a previously unreported problem, the discovery could nullify your policy or result in additional exclusions. - See more at: http://practicalhorsemanmag.com/article/understand-equine-insurance... Okay, I read that wrong.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | mruggles - 2014-09-24 1:53 PM Kcaughran - 2014-09-25 12:45 PM Do you think they may had several horse, that we're worth a lot and had loans on them too?, then starve them and try to get the Insurance on them. I don't know how horse Insurance works, on them. Do they cover the total value of the horse? And do they have to have a vet say, what they died of, in order to get the money. I kinda just read a little on horse Insurance, they have to be valued around thirty thousands to get coverage. you can insure anyhorse you want for any amount...at least we can up here
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You can insure most horses for any amount but when something happens you then have to prove they were worth that much.
There is no way any insurance company is going to pay on horses that were starved to death.
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mruggles - 2014-09-24 1:53 PM Kcaughran - 2014-09-25 12:45 PM Do you think they may had several horse, that we're worth a lot and had loans on them too?, then starve them and try to get the Insurance on them. I don't know how horse Insurance works, on them. Do they cover the total value of the horse? And do they have to have a vet say, what they died of, in order to get the money. I kinda just read a little on horse Insurance, they have to be valued around thirty thousands to get coverage. you can insure anyhorse you want for any amount...at least we can up here
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There is no way any insurance company is going to pay on horses that were starved to death.
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | Kcaughran - 2014-09-25 1:06 PM Nevertooold - 2014-09-24 2:02 PM mruggles - 2014-09-24 1:53 PM Kcaughran - 2014-09-25 12:45 PM Do you think they may had several horse, that we're worth a lot and had loans on them too?, then starve them and try to get the Insurance on them. I don't know how horse Insurance works, on them. Do they cover the total value of the horse? And do they have to have a vet say, what they died of, in order to get the money. I kinda just read a little on horse Insurance, they have to be valued around thirty thousands to get coverage. you can insure anyhorse you want for any amount...at least we can up here
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There is no way any insurance company is going to pay on horses that were starved to death.
In case they had a crooked vet, involved in this too.
yup....all the vet would have to do is write the death certificate...........
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | mruggles - 2014-09-24 2:08 PM Kcaughran - 2014-09-25 1:06 PM Nevertooold - 2014-09-24 2:02 PM mruggles - 2014-09-24 1:53 PM Kcaughran - 2014-09-25 12:45 PM Do you think they may had several horse, that we're worth a lot and had loans on them too?, then starve them and try to get the Insurance on them. I don't know how horse Insurance works, on them. Do they cover the total value of the horse? And do they have to have a vet say, what they died of, in order to get the money. I kinda just read a little on horse Insurance, they have to be valued around thirty thousands to get coverage. you can insure anyhorse you want for any amount...at least we can up here
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There is no way any insurance company is going to pay on horses that were starved to death. In case they had a crooked vet, involved in this too.
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http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1995-10-04/news/9510040165_1_swindle-horses-richard-bailey
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| mruggles - 2014-09-24 2:07 PM Nevertooold - 2014-09-25 1:02 PM mruggles - 2014-09-24 1:53 PM Kcaughran - 2014-09-25 12:45 PM Do you think they may had several horse, that we're worth a lot and had loans on them too?, then starve them and try to get the Insurance on them. I don't know how horse Insurance works, on them. Do they cover the total value of the horse? And do they have to have a vet say, what they died of, in order to get the money. I kinda just read a little on horse Insurance, they have to be valued around thirty thousands to get coverage. you can insure anyhorse you want for any amount...at least we can up here
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There is no way any insurance company is going to pay on horses that were starved to death.
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Location: Where I am happiest | Horse insurance policies cover theft, and accidental death. They will not cover preventable death. Starvation is preventable death. They also have to have vet records. These horses did not recieve vet care as stated by the owner in numerous articles. So no, insurane money would not be a factor.
I also just saw a news clip that said she was renting that barn. She didnt own that barn. I'm having a hard time piecing all the pieces together. Somehow she was able to obtain financing for that horse,,,,but yet said they had no vet records because she said they couldnt afford the vet and they didnt dispose of the dead horses because they couldnt afford it. The barn she was renting....and in the news clip when the reporter knocked on the door of her actual residence, it was pretty shacky looking house......So appearantly the illusion of money is nothing more then an illusion. OR, she's been cut out of the family money....or has already squandered it all by frivilous spending. |
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Location: Flat Rock,IL | The owners are saying they died of colic, did they ever say they called they vet out on them. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Kcaughran - 2014-09-24 2:17 PM The owners are saying they died of colic, did they ever say they called they vet out on them.
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Not buying that either, that they all died from colic! And they did not get good results from the vet, so they did their own vet work. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | No I'm not buying the colic either. Another article I read the vet isnt buying it either and stated they should have the bone marrow examined because appearantly according to that vet they can still determine if those horses died from starvation/malnutrition by the bone marrow.
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Location: Here | Kcaughran - 2014-09-24 1:45 PM Do you think they may had several horse, that we're worth a lot and had loans on them too?, then starve them and try to get the Insurance on them. I don't know how horse Insurance works, on them. Do they cover the total value of the horse? And do they have to have a vet say, what they died of, in order to get the money. I kinda just read a little on horse Insurance, they have to be valued around thirty thousands to get coverage.
The vet exam is when they are insured over 25k in your example. Most do not require vet exam prior to insuring if under the $20k mark |
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Location: Flat Rock,IL | ThreeCorners - 2014-09-24 3:18 PM
No I'm not buying the colic either. Another article I read the vet isnt buying it either and stated they should have the bone marrow examined because appearantly according to that vet they can still determine if those horses died from starvation/malnutrition by the bone marrow.
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| ThreeCorners - 2014-09-24 3:18 PM
No I'm not buying the colic either. Another article I read the vet isnt buying it either and stated they should have the bone marrow examined because appearantly according to that vet they can still determine if those horses died from starvation/malnutrition by the bone marrow.
It is a simple test and many vet labs are equipped to do it - I'd be willing to be that CSU can do it too.
This whole thing STINKS and makes me sick that these people believe it was acceptable to treat animals like this ... I wonder how they treat people???!!!  |
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Anothet great cutting horse was starved and had to be put down in a different neglect case. Makes me sick how a horse can give a person so much can be treated so pourly.
I hate this black cloud of an industry I love and cherish so much, just cant understand it.
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| There is absolutley no excuse for this... people try and blame the economy, overcrowded sale barns, poor market, no slaughter, etc etc etc...
But honestly the people who do this are sick souls. We have a guy up here who's been doing it for years. People have offered to help him, buy horses, train them, re-home, etc etc... he will tell you these are his animals and hes doing nothing wrong.
He finally had a few seized from him but I am sure he will have plenty starving again real soon. This has been going on my entire life.
Sure people run across hard times but most often, they dont do what is necessary. People bite off more than they can chew, refuse to make sacrifices and then plea for mercy.
This is unexcusable and one day they punishment will be much harsher than a misdemeanor. One day.... I will make sure that happens! |
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Location: Sorrow Not! Defending against workplace bullies | stayceem - 2014-09-24 7:17 PM
There is absolutley no excuse for this... people try and blame the economy, overcrowded sale barns, poor market, no slaughter, etc etc etc...
But honestly the people who do this are sick souls. We have a guy up here who's been doing it for years. People have offered to help him, buy horses, train them, re-home, etc etc... he will tell you these are his animals and hes doing nothing wrong.
He finally had a few seized from him but I am sure he will have plenty starving again real soon. This has been going on my entire life.
Sure people run across hard times but most often, they dont do what is necessary. People bite off more than they can chew, refuse to make sacrifices and then plea for mercy.
This is unexcusable and one day they punishment will be much harsher than a misdemeanor. One day.... I will make sure that happens!
Can you get the media involved with the starving horses at your neighbor's? That certainly seemed to help in the Black Forest case. These stories just haunt me. Another thing to do is call your state legislator to get the laws changed so the penalties are stiffer. Just google your legislators name and call or email them. |
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| ninaom - 2014-09-24 10:55 PM
stayceem - 2014-09-24 7:17 PM
There is absolutley no excuse for this... people try and blame the economy, overcrowded sale barns, poor market, no slaughter, etc etc etc...
But honestly the people who do this are sick souls. We have a guy up here who's been doing it for years. People have offered to help him, buy horses, train them, re-home, etc etc... he will tell you these are his animals and hes doing nothing wrong.
He finally had a few seized from him but I am sure he will have plenty starving again real soon. This has been going on my entire life.
Sure people run across hard times but most often, they dont do what is necessary. People bite off more than they can chew, refuse to make sacrifices and then plea for mercy.
This is unexcusable and one day they punishment will be much harsher than a misdemeanor. One day.... I will make sure that happens!
Can you get the media involved with the starving horses at your neighbor's? That certainly seemed to help in the Black Forest case. These stories just haunt me. Another thing to do is call your state legislator to get the laws changed so the penalties are stiffer. Just google your legislators name and call or email them.
They did finally organize something which drew media attention and law enforcement took action. That created the most change but I just dont have a lot of faith he wont do it again. |
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http://www.krdo.com/news/broker-says-owner-of-seized-horses-paid-more-than-15-million-for-animals/28237416
ETA: 1.5 million not 15. LOL like that makes it better.
A quote from the comments section that fits. "There seems to be no explanation for some people's priorities, especially when it comes to money."
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| ThreeCorners - 2014-09-24 4:18 PM No I'm not buying the colic either. Another article I read the vet isnt buying it either and stated they should have the bone marrow examined because appearantly according to that vet they can still determine if those horses died from starvation/malnutrition by the bone marrow.
This is true. I saw it on a nature documentary (that means I'm an expert!) JK
Anyway, the program was following Yellowstone rangers/researchers in finding the cause(s) of death of various animals in the park. One was a bison that was pretty decomposed/eaten with no obvious cause of death. They broke open one of its leg bones and found that the animal's bone marrow had deteriorated due to starvation. It was pretty obvious and noticable. It would be a simple test for the vets, providing that the bodies are not too decomposed. It could put the owner of these poor horses in deep crap...which I hope will happen. I don't know how long the bone marrow evidence would last, though.
The more you know! *rainbows everywhere*
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" In addition to Dual Peppy, Brunzell had two other champion horses in the barn. One stallion was named Playin' in Style and had won money in equestrian competitions. Another horse was named Playboys Madera and was a three-time world champion in an equestrian event.
Horse trainer Carrie Terroux-Barrett said the cheapest horse Brunzell owned was still $25,000.
Terroux-Barrett estimates there are $2 million worth of dead horses in the Black Forest barn."
Ugh, more names to go with the dead and starving horses? Just makes me sick. Wether they were famous horses or ordinary pets...they suffered at the hands of a heartless group of people. Sherry will likely never get what she deserves...but if people shout loudly enough hopefully she will get the MAX punishment and no one ever sells her so much as a pet rock ever again.
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| Just Plain Lucky - 2014-09-25 7:53 AM
ThreeCorners - 2014-09-24 4:18 PM No I'm not buying the colic either. Another article I read the vet isnt buying it either and stated they should have the bone marrow examined because appearantly according to that vet they can still determine if those horses died from starvation/malnutrition by the bone marrow.
This is true. I saw it on a nature documentary (that means I'm an expert!) JK
Anyway, the program was following Yellowstone rangers/researchers in finding the cause(s) of death of various animals in the park. One was a bison that was pretty decomposed/eaten with no obvious cause of death. They broke open one of its leg bones and found that the animal's bone marrow had deteriorated due to starvation. It was pretty obvious and noticable. It would be a simple test for the vets, providing that the bodies are not too decomposed. It could put the owner of these poor horses in deep crap...which I hope will happen. I don't know how long the bone marrow evidence would last, though.
The more you know! *rainbows everywhere*
The test you are referring to is pretty simple and there is more than one way to determine starvation as a cause of death.
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| lindseylou2290 - 2014-09-25 9:19 AM Just Plain Lucky - 2014-09-25 7:53 AM ThreeCorners - 2014-09-24 4:18 PM No I'm not buying the colic either. Another article I read the vet isnt buying it either and stated they should have the bone marrow examined because appearantly according to that vet they can still determine if those horses died from starvation/malnutrition by the bone marrow.
This is true. I saw it on a nature documentary (that means I'm an expert!) JK
Anyway, the program was following Yellowstone rangers/researchers in finding the cause(s) of death of various animals in the park. One was a bison that was pretty decomposed/eaten with no obvious cause of death. They broke open one of its leg bones and found that the animal's bone marrow had deteriorated due to starvation. It was pretty obvious and noticable. It would be a simple test for the vets, providing that the bodies are not too decomposed. It could put the owner of these poor horses in deep crap...which I hope will happen. I don't know how long the bone marrow evidence would last, though.
The more you know! *rainbows everywhere*
The test you are referring to is pretty simple and there is more than one way to determine starvation as a cause of death.
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lindseylou2290 - 2014-09-25 9:19 AM Just Plain Lucky - 2014-09-25 7:53 AM ThreeCorners - 2014-09-24 4:18 PM No I'm not buying the colic either. Another article I read the vet isnt buying it either and stated they should have the bone marrow examined because appearantly according to that vet they can still determine if those horses died from starvation/malnutrition by the bone marrow.
This is true. I saw it on a nature documentary (that means I'm an expert!) JK
Anyway, the program was following Yellowstone rangers/researchers in finding the cause(s) of death of various animals in the park. One was a bison that was pretty decomposed/eaten with no obvious cause of death. They broke open one of its leg bones and found that the animal's bone marrow had deteriorated due to starvation. It was pretty obvious and noticable. It would be a simple test for the vets, providing that the bodies are not too decomposed. It could put the owner of these poor horses in deep crap...which I hope will happen. I don't know how long the bone marrow evidence would last, though.
The more you know! *rainbows everywhere*
The test you are referring to is pretty simple and there is more than one way to determine starvation as a cause of death.
yup no worries :)
This whole thing just blows. If people were responsible, this whole thing wouldn't be an issue. Money gets the best of people and their morals more often than not ... uck. My Dad has said it before and I think he's spot on - If you'd like to see the true character of a person, give 'em a ton of money; then sit back and watch. |
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Location: Tennessee | Nobody take this the wrong way at all, what has happened is awful. However, if Playboys Madera was in the barn, she would've been 32. Just seems unlikely to me given that she was already older and the obvious standard of care that was not met... http://www.qhd.com/horse/stallion.asp?id=30679&sex=Mare
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| lindseylou2290 - 2014-09-25 9:41 AM Just Plain Lucky - 2014-09-25 8:28 AM lindseylou2290 - 2014-09-25 9:19 AM Just Plain Lucky - 2014-09-25 7:53 AM ThreeCorners - 2014-09-24 4:18 PM No I'm not buying the colic either. Another article I read the vet isnt buying it either and stated they should have the bone marrow examined because appearantly according to that vet they can still determine if those horses died from starvation/malnutrition by the bone marrow.
This is true. I saw it on a nature documentary (that means I'm an expert!) JK
Anyway, the program was following Yellowstone rangers/researchers in finding the cause(s) of death of various animals in the park. One was a bison that was pretty decomposed/eaten with no obvious cause of death. They broke open one of its leg bones and found that the animal's bone marrow had deteriorated due to starvation. It was pretty obvious and noticable. It would be a simple test for the vets, providing that the bodies are not too decomposed. It could put the owner of these poor horses in deep crap...which I hope will happen. I don't know how long the bone marrow evidence would last, though.
The more you know! *rainbows everywhere*
The test you are referring to is pretty simple and there is more than one way to determine starvation as a cause of death. yup no worries : ) This whole thing just blows. If people were responsible, this whole thing wouldn't be an issue. Money gets the best of people and their morals more often than not ... uck. My Dad has said it before and I think he's spot on - If you'd like to see the true character of a person, give 'em a ton of money; then sit back and watch.
Isn't that the truth. Sad, sad, sad, and the animals will lose every time.
It just doesn't make sense. This woman is either very, very sick or is just evil. I don't understand how you could buy 1.5 million worth of champion horses and let them die a slow and painful death or not protect your investment at all. It's not like these animals were back yard bred flusterclucks that couldn't be sold. They were some of the best. Even after removing all the emotion from this senario...it still doesn't make sense.
To put it plainly..this whole thing is just effed up.
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | i think she is a nut job who enjoyed watching those animals suffer and die and got a real kick out of controlling it............i hope there is a special place in hell for her.........right next to that evil thing that killed cc..........
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | So I wonder how the ones feel about all this now that were saying that we should not be judging this lady that we were being to hard on her? Well the Devil does live in this crazy wack job and I am so glad that they finally did something about all this horrible crap that she did to these horses. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Some new chilling pics posted on the facebook page. They were taken at that barn 1 year ago. I am sure we are looking at many of the now deceased.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | fatchance - 2014-09-25 5:57 PM I have to wonder why someone didn't do something about this back then.....this p isses me off!
So all this has been going on for over a year now? How in the world, I dont understand how they got away doing this for so darn long, and where did they come up with all that money to spend buying horses but would not feed them? This is all so strange.. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | rodeomom3 - 2014-09-25 5:46 PM Being too hard on her??? How could anyone think this at all after seeing those awful pictures. I don't understand how anyone can feel any leniency towards her. There is a huge difference between being mentally disturbed and not recognizing your actions as wrong and being mean, evil and distubed enough to do this to animals. She knew what she was doing which is why she was hiding them in a barn full of manure and dead horses with no food or water.
I am glad the world knows her evil nature, hope her life is as miserable as she made those horses lives.
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