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 Night Watchman
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Location: Central Montana | I'm having issues with saddle roll.....
I tried at least 10 saddles before this one came along, and it sits where it is supposed to, then slides, my horse is not built well to hold a saddle.
I'm not buying a $300 saddle pad, so, how would you try to fix this issue? I've even been looking at english saddle risers to mix and match until I get it right.
This is my navicular reiner I bought last fall (my vet missed the navicular in the xrays.) He has been pretty lame all summer then a couple of weeks ago my shoer pulled an abcess out and he has been back to about 95% sound since. I treated him with Tildren in May and am waiting for Osphos to hit the market to give it a try. Have not done any injecting yet.
This shows how bad the saddle rolls, even thought it is cinched tight.....it slides back too far and just rolls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyj0E7B2XMQ&feature=youtu.be
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 The Worst Seller Ever
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Location: Oklahoma | I have 2 built very similar. I just use a 1" Tod Sloan. I have a Best Ever pad too, but it lets the saddle slide some. |
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Location: Kansas | Wow holy cow that does slide!!! I can't be any help, i would suggest shims, but I don't believe they would help any. |
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 Experienced Mouse Trapper
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Location: North Dakota | If the saddle in the video is the "good fitter" I would suggest something with a neoprene bottom (gasp) OR get a neoprene front cinch. Thats crazy. (except to say my first pad to suggest would be a CSI-but I saw the no spending $$ on a pad-see if you can find one to try before you say you wont do it) |
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Location: CA | I have a gelding built just like your horse, no whithers kind of like a tube of toothpaste. LOL I tried a million different pad/saddle combos and nothing seemed to help except buying a wide gullet martin. This horse was young and kind of spooky so I ended up turning him out while the saddle was being made. I was worried if he spooked and I accidentally stepped to hard into one stirrup the sadde would roll off. That would have scared the crap out of him and been a huge wreck.
I know how frustrating that can be i wish you luck in finding an answer! |
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | What brand of saddle or you using? Do you have pictures of the saddle sitting on this horses back? |
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Night Watchman
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Location: Central Montana | Thanks everyone, keep the suggestions coming.
If I can find someone with a CSI I would happily try it and see if it really could make the difference. I don't know anyone who rides with one.
I would love a different saddle I hate this one, I'm told I need a reining saddle to rein....though I don't agree I will go with it......Did I tell you, I hate this one. It is too big for me, but finding a 14in reiner that will fit him is really, really hard and with the close to $2500 in vet bills I've had with him since March I can't afford to custom order one right now.
I don't have any photos of it on him .....it is an OLD Hereford reining saddle.
Edited by GoinJettin 2014-09-24 10:52 AM
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I dont want to be a meanie here but if you're saddle is not fitting and its rolling like that no pad is going to help. What kind of pad or you using now and how thick is it? |
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Location: NC | No good advice... but wanted to say he is ADORABLE!!!!  |
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Night Watchman
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Location: Central Montana | The pad is a classic equine ESP 1 inch.....which I think is too thick....
No offense taken at all, that is why I asked for help......I did have help with all the saddles I tried, this one fits him as as well as can be for the way he is built.
And thanks.....HorsesNHarleys.....I've owned and ridden a lot of horses but there is something about this one......
Edited by GoinJettin 2014-09-24 11:05 AM
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 Total Germophobe
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Location: Montana | The only time I have had trouble with saddle roll like that is when I had too narrow of a gullet with too narrow of bars. Can I ask what size gullet and bars you are using? One thing I might suggest, if someone hasn't already, is ask WimpyB on here about saddle fit...she is really helpful.
If you were closer to Great Falls or ever make it up this way, I'd love to let you try my Courts barrel saddle...I've had really good luck with it when I have it padded right. My mare has a little bit more withers (not much) than your boy, but definitely less than my old mare that was really thoroughbred-dy. I haven't had it roll yet no matter what the pad, or if it did, it was so slight it was unnoticeable. How thick of a pad do you have on him now? |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | GoinJettin - 2014-09-24 11:03 AM The pad is a classic equine ESP 1 inch.....which I think is too thick....
No offense taken at all, that is why I asked for help......I did have help with all the saddles I tried, this one fits him as as well as can be for the way he is built.
And thanks.....HorsesNHarleys.....I've owned and ridden a lot of horses but there is something about this one......
That is thick, do you have any other pads that is thinner that you can try? On my good fitting saddles all I need is a 1/2, and 7/8 is the thickest pad I have that I use on my thiner built guy thats not built as thick as my other boys.
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Night Watchman
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Location: Central Montana | mtcanchazer - 2014-09-24 10:08 AM The only time I have had trouble with saddle roll like that is when I had too narrow of a gullet with too narrow of bars. Can I ask what size gullet and bars you are using? One thing I might suggest, if someone hasn't already, is ask WimpyB on here about saddle fit...she is really helpful.
If you were closer to Great Falls or ever make it up this way, I'd love to let you try my Courts barrel saddle...I've had really good luck with it when I have it padded right. My mare has a little bit more withers (not much) than your boy, but definitely less than my old mare that was really thoroughbred-dy. I haven't had it roll yet no matter what the pad, or if it did, it was so slight it was unnoticeable. How thick of a pad do you have on him now?
It is an 8inch gullet....I'm not sure on the bars.
I've actually tried my sister's Courts reiner on him (she swears by that saddle) the one she has was way too narrow and if I remember correctly it only had a 7 inch gullet. I have a one inch pad ESP on him right now, and, it is too much pad. |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I was thinking to you need to find a pad that will form to you're horses back, the pads I love is the 5 Stars of course, but a thiner Tod Slone are great pads too. And they are a bit cheaper. But I never seen them no thiner then a 7/8.
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | This is what I did with mine that rolled. I used that rubber pad protector with the holes in it/cheap and a 1/2 inch wool pad. To much padding doesn't help stop the roll. |
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Location: Oklahoma | What about a breast collar to help keep the saddle in place? |
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | I have good luck with a 1" Ed Wright. Everything else I have tried would slide on my mare that is built like him and the Ed Wright fits great! If I make it to your neck of the woods here soon you are more than welcome to try it. |
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | a reinsman tacky two without the buildup is what i suggest to try. |
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Experienced Mouse Trapper
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Location: North Dakota | This sounds weird or cheap whichever way you want to call it BUT my hubbys rope horse is built like your horse-maybe a little heavier and the best fitting saddle we found-was a Scott Thomas roper OR the corriente (all of them, roper or barrel racer) and then of course use the CSI pad with that=amazing. wonder if correnete makes a reining saddle?? Actually who cares, look for a good show saddle-or maybe even a cutter?? Just throwing out idea's. I should look in my tack room, if I still have my tacky too pad I will give it to you if you pay shipping....... |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | GoinJettin - 2014-09-25 9:47 AM Thanks everyone, keep the suggestions coming.
If I can find someone with a CSI I would happily try it and see if it really could make the difference. I don't know anyone who rides with one.
I would love a different saddle I hate this one, I'm told I need a reining saddle to rein....though I don't agree I will go with it......Did I tell you, I hate this one. It is too big for me, but finding a 14in reiner that will fit him is really, really hard and with the close to $2500 in vet bills I've had with him since March I can't afford to custom order one right now.
I don't have any photos of it on him .....it is an OLD Hereford reining saddle.
not sure who told you that......but i think its false (i have reined in my barrel saddles) and never had anybody say a thing...........
but here is what i would do....
1.back cinch
2.breast collar
3.try an air ride.......woven top(not the slippery top)
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| LMS - 2014-09-24 12:35 PM
This sounds weird or cheap whichever way you want to call it BUT my hubbys rope horse is built like your horse-maybe a little heavier and the best fitting saddle we found-was a Scott Thomas roper OR the corriente (all of them, roper or barrel racer) and then of course use the CSI pad with that=amazing. wonder if correnete makes a reining saddle?? Actually who cares, look for a good show saddle-or maybe even a cutter?? Just throwing out idea's. I should look in my tack room, if I still have my tacky too pad I will give it to you if you pay shipping.......
Corriente does in fact make a reiner. Never heard any reviews on them but ive had a few ropers and was really pleased with them. |
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| I have a Corriente ranch cutter. It's decent. You get what you pay for. |
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Night Watchman
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Location: Central Montana | UTAHCANCHASER - 2014-09-24 10:40 AM I have good luck with a 1" Ed Wright. Everything else I have tried would slide on my mare that is built like him and the Ed Wright fits great! If I make it to your neck of the woods here soon you are more than welcome to try it. Thanks!
So, I will also ask around and see if I can find a CSI pad to try. Finding a Corriente reining saddle to try out will not be easy but I will do my best. A girl I know locally has offered to let me try her Dale Chavez reiner to see how it fits him/me.
Edited by GoinJettin 2014-09-25 9:24 AM
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Location: on my horse | I have a corriente roper that I reined in for ten years. I grew up riding reiners and reined cow horses and have never had an issue with not reining in a "reining" saddle. I would try what you have and see what kind of improvements you can make regardless of whether or not it's a reining saddle. The only thing I will say is my corriente is a little big for me (not huge) which helps me get my feet where they need to be to stop etc.
He's such a cutie! I want to snuggle his face 
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 Ones with the Hotties
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Location: Centerburg, OH | best advice I ever got was to use a way shorter girth like a 24 or 26. It really works! I also only use roper type girths. Also I wnuld try a half inch diomand pad. They are about 50$. Or a Reinsman tacky too. |
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Experienced Mouse Trapper
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Location: North Dakota | GoinJettin - 2014-09-24 10:22 PM
UTAHCANCHASER - 2014-09-24 10:40 AM I have good luck with a 1" Ed Wright. Everything else I have tried would slide on my mare that is built like him and the Ed Wright fits great! If I make it to your neck of the woods here soon you are more than welcome to try it.
Thanks!
So, I will also ask around and see if I can find a CSI pad to try. Finding a Corriente reining saddle will not be easy but I will do my best.
IMO look around to see if anyone in your area has a corriente anything and try that first before jumping straight into the reiner, plus be aware, those saddles are priced pretty cheap brand new so if you find a used one, make sure you have priced a new one first, provided you think they will fit him..... |
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Night Watchman
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Location: Central Montana | redmansmyman11 - 2014-09-24 11:19 PM I have a corriente roper that I reined in for ten years. I grew up riding reiners and reined cow horses and have never had an issue with not reining in a "reining" saddle. I would try what you have and see what kind of improvements you can make regardless of whether or not it's a reining saddle. The only thing I will say is my corriente is a little big for me (not huge ) which helps me get my feet where they need to be to stop etc. He's such a cutie! I want to snuggle his face
That was exactly what I have been told, that I can't get in proper position to stop in a barrel saddle. I don't know if that is true or not. I'm not saying it won't be a lot harder, but I think it can be done. I ride in an Ammerman and it won't fit this guy anyhow. |
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Location: on my horse | GoinJettin - 2014-09-25 8:25 AM
redmansmyman11 - 2014-09-24 11:19 PM I have a corriente roper that I reined in for ten years. I grew up riding reiners and reined cow horses and have never had an issue with not reining in a "reining" saddle. I would try what you have and see what kind of improvements you can make regardless of whether or not it's a reining saddle. The only thing I will say is my corriente is a little big for me (not huge ) which helps me get my feet where they need to be to stop etc. He's such a cutie! I want to snuggle his face
I have showed in a barrel saddle a few times and what I've noticed more than anything when I run down for a stop or set up for a spin is I want a little bit more room to move my body. Barrel saddles sit you and hold you in one place especially if you buy on the small side or get one with a really upright cantle. |
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| Your saddle doesn't fit. I'd be betting that it's way too wide and flat barred. Probably should look at hauling him to a reining barn and seeing if you can try some different saddles out, or get him professionally fitted so you know what you're saving your pennies for. If you want to win, and want your horse to perform properly and to his full ability, better invest in the right equipment.
I agree, some reining saddles are atrocious, but the higher quality rigs can really set you and your horse up for success. I don't really like to make do, I like to go in knowing that if I lose, it's because I just plain got beat, not because my horse is sore, or my tack is inhibiting me. Reining is so blueray competitive, and he looks like something with real talent! Set him up right! |
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