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       Location: Tx | I am posting this here for those that don't have FB. By Tanya Randall.
Attention all barrel racers--For more than 17 years I've done my best to promote this industry and the horses. I have advocated until I'm blue in the face to use your horses' registered names BECAUSE ITS WHATS BEST FOR THE INDUSTRY and SPORT YOU PROFESS TO LOVE. In the past, I have tried to get registered names for those big winners that have won money at races with their horses listed by barn names. WELL, I'M DONE! If you do not respect the horse, the breeder of that horse, the mare owner or STALLION OWNERS who PUT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS INTO THIS INDUSTRY, you are on your own when it comes to selling that horse out of the country or getting a breeding discount off of Equi-Stat records because I'm no longer going to make the effort to correct it! That's your job. I don't care if you're a trainer or backyard barrel racer that just does this for fun and will never raise a horse--this is about RESPECT. RESPECT to make this sport the best it can be. RESPECT for the people who have raised your horse. RESPECT for those who pour countless dollars into this so you can play.
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     Location: Texas | So glad you posted this! I missed it! |
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          Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | That reminds me, I need to hurry up and get my mare's name changed...I am NOT going to use the current one in public. LOL |
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    Location: Oklahoma | I agree with what she says, but the horse I have been winning on lately is not registered. So... And putting (N/R) after their names doesn't help. |
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     Location: Texas | clover girl - 2014-09-26 12:01 PM
I agree with what she says, but the horse I have been winning on lately is not registered. So... And putting (N/R) after their names doesn't help.
I was always told when you run a grade horse you put the horse's barn name and your last name after it.
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     Location: Missouri | this is going to be a dumb question but who all reports to Equi stat? Is it just the big barrrel races or do little jackpots report as well.
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     Location: SE KS | another has been - 2014-09-26 12:43 PM
this is going to be a dumb question but who all reports to Equi stat? Is it just the big barrrel races or do little jackpots report as well.
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I too would like to know who all reports to Equ-Stat. I can't find any info on any of the names of my horses "relatives" on their!
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    Location: Dubach, LA |                                 The biggest two around here, Run for the Diamonds and Darbonne Range Riders Memorial Day Race should require registered names. These are big races ($5000 +). There is too much of an advantage for those that run mutliple horses. (And yes, I run more than one myself.) |
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      Location: Beggs, OK | Three 4 Luck - 2014-09-26 11:15 AM That reminds me, I need to hurry up and get my mare's name changed...I am NOT going to use the current one in public. LOL
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| another has been - 2014-09-26 11:43 AM this is going to be a dumb question but who all reports to Equi stat? Is it just the big barrrel races or do little jackpots report as well. Thanks
Both big races and little jackpots. If the producer wants to submit their races to Equi-state they can. I dont know if they need approval from Equi-stat, but we had a monthly $250 added jackpot race series submit all of their results to equi-stat. |
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          Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | rachellyn80 - 2014-09-26 2:42 PM Three 4 Luck - 2014-09-26 11:15 AM That reminds me, I need to hurry up and get my mare's name changed...I am NOT going to use the current one in public. LOL I thought you had decided to go with my suggestion? Blingy Double Dees
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       Location: Tx | another has been - 2014-09-26 12:43 PM this is going to be a dumb question but who all reports to Equi stat? Is it just the big barrrel races or do little jackpots report as well. Thanks
Most of the bigger shows and Futurities (not all) send them in. Any organization wether it be one of the big added money barrel races to your local organization can turn them in. Get with your producers and ask them to do it. It is not that hard. The info can be sent via email to Equi Stat. As far as grade horses, Equi Stat will use the barn name with the riders last name.
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        Location: ND | hmmmm....i already barfed once reading that post on fb........
how about just this ......'dislike'
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                    Location: In the Hills of Texas | dhdqhllc - 2014-09-26 3:43 PM hmmmm....i already barfed once reading that post on fb........
how about just this ......'dislike'
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   Location: on a horse | Nevertooold - 2014-09-26 4:35 PM
dhdqhllc - 2014-09-26 3:43 PM hmmmm....i already barfed once reading that post on fb........
how about just this ......'dislike'
I'm really confused...Why would anyone dislike this post?
Me too. And I really don't know why anyone doesn't want to give credit where credit is due??? Maybe crooked sellers? Just asking....not trying to start anything. |
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      Location: Adopt a homeless pet - www.petfinder.com! | There are many reasons why I support giving registered names. As a potential buyer, I want to be able to find out how the horse is placing. I also have a mare I want to breed, so it is very helpful when searching for a stallion to be able to see how specific crosses are turning out. Bottom line, I want INFORMATION to help in my decision. We are doing a great disservice to the industry we love by making it impossible for data crunchers to do their jobs. JMHO. |
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        Location: Displaced Iowegian | ^^^^ THIS........not being required to give the registered name on entry forms gives the "unscrupulous" sellers (and we know there are a LOT of them) an upper hand in their deceptive selling habits. A little harder to lie when you are required to use the registered name. |
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          Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | NJJ - 2014-09-27 9:37 AM
^^^^ THIS........not being required to give the registered name on entry forms gives the "unscrupulous" sellers (and we know there are a LOT of them) an upper hand in their deceptive selling habits. A little harder to lie when you are required to use the registered name.
All they have to do is enter under the wrong registered name. It's not like someone is verifying papers at the entry table. |
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        Location: Displaced Iowegian | Three 4 Luck - 2014-09-27 10:03 AM NJJ - 2014-09-27 9:37 AM ^^^^ THIS........not being required to give the registered name on entry forms gives the "unscrupulous" sellers (and we know there are a LOT of them) an upper hand in their deceptive selling habits. A little harder to lie when you are required to use the registered name. All they have to do is enter under the wrong registered name. It's not like someone is verifying papers at the entry table.
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       Location: your guess is as good as mine | Wow...never cared much about Equi-Stat as I almost never sell anything - I just always used the registered name because I'm pretty proud of my horses . I also like looking at registered names at the big races to see if I can tell if any are bred like mine...I like to watch them run and "compare notes" so to speak lol. 
ETA: OK, I know I am extremely naive...but just a question. Why would anyone NOT want to use their horse's registered name...I mean reasons other than the dishonest ones listed in previous posts? Not meaning to start anything or accuse anyone...my li'l ol' blond brain just hasn't been able to figure it out. 
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        Location: ND | rodeoveteran - 2014-09-26 8:31 PM I just consider the source. Someone making money, which is OK, fine, great. More people should try it. But don't scold me because I don't co-operate in making your business easier. Oh wait, I don't go to many shows as rodeo is more my cup of tea. Will run my horse under any name I choose to. Signed a cranky old stick in the mud. 
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1. Because their registered name is stupid
2. Because you don't remember what it is
3. Because you LOVE their barn name
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        Location: ND | Three 4 Luck - 2014-09-27 11:05 AM 1. Because their registered name is stupid
2. Because you don't remember what it is
3. Because you LOVE their barn name
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      Location: Adopt a homeless pet - www.petfinder.com! | Three 4 Luck - 2014-09-27 11:05 AM 1. Because their registered name is stupid
2. Because you don't remember what it is
3. Because you LOVE their barn name
4. Because you're contrary That right there is why I think a lot of people do it. Like they're "too cool" to use it.
By the way, my newest horse is Pimped Out Dually -- can't wait to hear that one announced, I love it!
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   Location: Mayerthorpe Alberta | I dont sell my horses so tracking their earnings is not high on my list of things to do, but my gelding is a grade appendix horse anyways. I will enter my mare under her registered name when I start hauling her. I do believe Equistats tracking is good and our large jackpots and barrel finals send the results to Equistats. I also like rodeogo for tracking earnings |
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       Location: your guess is as good as mine | Three 4 Luck - 2014-09-27 10:05 AM 1. Because their registered name is stupid
2. Because you don't remember what it is
3. Because you LOVE their barn name
4. Because you're contrary LOL - thank you! Now see, #3 I never would have thought of...but then again mine are pretty much plain Jane on their barn names . Now #1 I can kind of understand...not really taken with the registered name of my next up-and-comer, but her barn name is just as bad LMBO! I figure at least using her registered name will allow her previous owner (who also happens to be her breeder) to keep up with how she's doing...just not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. 
ETA: There's one for sale in the Texas Best sale with a name that I wish I'd have thought of - ItchyItchy YaYa. 
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I actually prefer registered names but my horse's is so dumb... with that said, aside from this horse, Ive almost always used the registered name. My current horse is from a hunt seat barn and when I offered info on how well he has done, she wasnt interested because it wasnt the discipline she advertises. Therefore, I dont think I am doing her a disservice.
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| I used to enter everything under their barn name, but recently have been using registered names. Why not? It would help researching when buying a horse. I can not say how many times I've looked up horses and found they happen to be less than advertised. The only thing about the post that makes me a little indifferent is the line pouring money into the industry so "we" can play. It sounds like something is being donated, when the fees/prices are paid by those using them. |
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  Location: Central Montana | Those who decide not to use a registered name if there is one are free not to do so but in the long run it may come back to bite them in the .
If you need to prove earnings for a reduced stud fee or sell even if you never intended to, and need to prove what your horse has done......
I applaud Equi-Stat for going out of the way to get accurate information but ultimately, it falls on the owners, and if they can't be bothered then the folks at Equi Stat do not need to be tracking them down when the horse's name hits a "win" list. |
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       Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | SwishMiss - 2014-09-29 4:32 AM I used to enter everything under their barn name, but recently have been using registered names. Why not? It would help researching when buying a horse. I can not say how many times I've looked up horses and found they happen to be less than advertised. The only thing about the post that makes me a little indifferent is the line pouring money into the industry so "we" can play. It sounds like something is being donated, when the fees/prices are paid by those using them.
Because the people who have stallions and products to market specifically to barrel racers spend literally millions every year in incentive money and sponsorship money to plump up the purses for everyone.
Advertising in magazines who then sponsor races and write stories about the winners so we can all read them.
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     Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Itsme - 2014-09-29 6:09 PM Is this what brought us weanlings selling for 10s of thousands?
so are you upset because you can't afford that $40k weanling? Because as a breeder I am sure happy to sell weanlings for more because the industry picked up, but I am not forced to spend $40k. I can spend $5 or $100k. Don't hate those that are making the money. They have a pi$$ load of money invested in breeders/stallion eligibilities, feed and care to get that $40k horse on the ground.
This thread is kind of getting on my bad side. I am astonished how some think. They want to reap the rewards, but are upset at something so simple as giving a registered name. Something that could help them line their pockets down the road. As a former stallion owner, for insurance reasons, I had to do as much google searching as I could for performing foals. Sure would have been nice to find all of them off of registered names. |
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         Location: Louisiana | Because "Flamboyant Flit" doesn't fit on a line this _______ big LOL. And I have never seen anything on an entry form about earnings being reported to Equistat, so I don't know if anyone does it around here. I mainly run rodeos and I know they don't care. Honestly, for me, I don't even keep up with how much my horse has won-I just don't care. If I did, I would break down, cry my eyes out, and never pay another entry fee! I go to so few barrel races that a small amount of money won would probably look worse than "no results found" to a potential buyer. But I'm not selling anyway, so once again, I don't care. Sorry if I'm single-handedly ruining the entire horse industry!
ETA: OK, I checked it out. I know for a fact I used his registered name at a couple big barrel races. According to Equistat the last time he was entered was 2009, so apparently the barrel races I do attend don't get reported anyway. I've owned him since 2010. And holy crapola the last one (and ONLY one) I entered was 2001 according to the website!
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| Wow. This thread is mind boggling. I always use registered names even at po dunk jackpots. Why? Because I want proof of every penny won. We will never sell Vegas. But I want to know all her earnings. It only helps her, her dam and her sire. Why on earth would you not want proof of earnings of, for example, $15,000 as opposed to $150? That is just pure stupidity to not want that proof. No stallion owner will give considerations on $150. But they sure would on $15,000. Not to mention if you ever want to sell embryos. People not using registered named to be "contrary" are simply cutting off their nose to spite their face.
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         Location: Where I am happiest | Itsme - 2014-09-29 11:21 PM what are the rewards im reaping?
To put it simply and not muddy the water with to much information for some minds to comprehend,,,,,,,,,,,,, more sponsorship money!! |
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     Location: SE KS | I would love for the jackpots I go to locally to send the results to Equi-Stat! I own the mare my horse I'm running is out of. It would be great to be able to show "someone" that A. my mare is a money producer & B. My horse is a money earner!!!
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  Location: Four Corners Colorado | So everyone is like "my jackpot dosen't report" Who has talked to their producers about sending in results? |
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   Location: Where the buffalo roam | For those that say they rodeo so it's not tracked - the Montana Circuit does track earnings on rodeo money earned and I believe some other circuits are beginning to do it also. |
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     Location: lone star state | I do this for a hobby and fun. I paid what the breeder ask for the horse when I purchased him so I owe them no favors or disfavors if my horse makes a terrible run. I usually use the barn name cause that's the name I identify my horses with. I agree with big futurities and races using registered names but weekly or weekend jackpots I may put nothing in the blank for name. I don't think people really care what I'm riding. I don't get caught up at a local level worrying about what other people are riding....my husband ropes as well and if we see a horse that we really like go make conversation and see if horse is for sale. That seems to work for me purchasing horses not researching names that may or may not be accurate. |
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     Location: Desert Land | I am really surprised by the people who are so weird about writing a registered name on an entry form. How hard is it? What are you trying to hide? You don't like your horse's registered name? Who cares! I've seen some stupid registered names, but I don't care if the horse's name One Eyed Trouser Snake - if it's winning I want to know how it's bred! Just because you're old, grumpy and they didn't do it back in the day isn't really a good answer either. They didn't have cell phones back then either, but you sure have one now.
Breeders put a lot of blood, sweat, tears and certainly MONEY into putting babies on the ground to promote their program. When someone enters a product of the breeder's program in a race or rodeo or whatever and just puts "Skippy" it is offensive because how the hell are they supposed to prove Good Ole Skippy is actually by their stallion or out of their mare? Most people in the breeding business are not making Big Bucks, so their reward is when a horse from their program goes on to win. You are "Paid" so to speak but getting the pride of knowing you raised that horse to be a winner and now it has hone on to prove that. People also like to be proud and say they own a full brother or 3/4 brother or whatever to such and such horse.
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        Location: Displaced Iowegian | Reading through this thread brings to light that many people who are either too lazy or don’t care, now, about registered names, earnings, sires & dams, etc, will probably be the first ones to POST….Does anybody know this horse, breeding, offspring, etc. when trying to buy or breed….. |
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| dhdqhllc - 2014-09-27 11:20 AM
Three 4 Luck - 2014-09-27 11:05 AM 1. Because their registered name is stupid
2. Because you don't remember what it is
3. Because you LOVE their barn name
4. Because you're contrary
fight the man!!!!
I agree, we only use at NBHA State and Regional shows and If I run a Futurity horse. Also if you are really a crook the easiest thing in the world is to use the wrong name on purpose. Not many announcers, secretary etc. will ever figure out which horse it really is...
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     Location: Wonderful Wyoming | NJJ - 2014-09-30 9:03 AM Reading through this thread brings to light that many people who are either too lazy or don’t care, now, about registered names, earnings, sires & dams, etc, will probably be the first ones to POST….Does anybody know this horse, breeding, offspring, etc. when trying to buy or breed…..
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     Location: Texas | SKM - 2014-09-30 6:00 AM
Wow. This thread is mind boggling. I always use registered names even at po dunk jackpots. Why? Because I want proof of every penny won. We will never sell Vegas. But I want to know all her earnings. It only helps her, her dam and her sire. Why on earth would you not want proof of earnings of, for example, $15,000 as opposed to $150? That is just pure stupidity to not want that proof. No stallion owner will give considerations on $150. But they sure would on $15,000. Not to mention if you ever want to sell embryos. People not using registered named to be "contrary" are simply cutting off their nose to spite their face.
AGREED!! Although I did notice at the last jackpot I went to.. I did fill out Lucy's name as her registered name on her form, and the jackpot secretary just wrote down her barn name in the draw. It will be interesting to see if her reg name or barn name shows up in the results.
I always want to do the best job I can do for my horses… I have mares and I too want discounted breedings, validation of their performance, and evidence that she is worth consideration of stallion owners. Even for nothing else, I just want to know how well she has done. I am proud of my horses and gelding or mare would want to know their stats. |
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     Location: lone star state | Basically there is no way to know for sure if the stats are accurate when purchasing a horse. I would never rely on that as a buying tool.
Maybe if there were more accurate ways of ensuring the info reported is accurate then I would care. Big futurities check papers at check in and horse is #. But weekend jackpots and shows where horse is not verified by identity is only as accurate as the person reporting wants it to be. The horse industry is like the used car industry. you have to shop and test drive because far too many sellers are dishonest.
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        Location: ND | firewaterfuelsme - 2014-09-30 10:29 AM Basically there is no way to know for sure if the stats are accurate when purchasing a horse. I would never rely on that as a buying tool. Maybe if there were more accurate ways of ensuring the info reported is accurate then I would care. Big futurities check papers at check in and horse is #. But weekend jackpots and shows where horse is not verified by identity is only as accurate as the person reporting wants it to be. The horse industry is like the used car industry. you have to shop and test drive because far too many sellers are dishonest. Until equistat becomes reliable and credible I will continue to use barn names or no name at all.
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   Location: Cocoa, Florida | TheOldGrayMare - 2014-09-30 9:57 AM
I am really surprised by the people who are so weird about writing a registered name on an entry form. How hard is it? What are you trying to hide? You don't like your horse's registered name? Who cares! I've seen some stupid registered names, but I don't care if the horse's name One Eyed Trouser Snake - if it's winning I want to know how it's bred! Just because you're old, grumpy and they didn't do it back in the day isn't really a good answer either. They didn't have cell phones back then either, but you sure have one now.
Breeders put a lot of blood, sweat, tears and certainly MONEY into putting babies on the ground to promote their program. When someone enters a product of the breeder's program in a race or rodeo or whatever and just puts "Skippy" it is offensive because how the hell are they supposed to prove Good Ole Skippy is actually by their stallion or out of their mare? Most people in the breeding business are not making Big Bucks, so their reward is when a horse from their program goes on to win. You are "Paid" so to speak but getting the pride of knowing you raised that horse to be a winner and now it has hone on to prove that. People also like to be proud and say they own a full brother or 3/4 brother or whatever to such and such horse.
One eyed trouser snake - lmbo!!! I would totally use that as a registered name!!! My friend just bought a horse and changed his registered name- it was "squirtin gold". I would have kept it haha.
I honestly keep all my envelopes from cash jackpots and receipts from checks or I take a picture of them with my phone and I write everything down. For my own personal records and incase the breeder wants the info. My open horse has won over 6k according to my records but equistat has only recorded around $2000.
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Yes I do believe that breeding has a small part of making a champion, but I see training is the larger part.
My understanding equistat does not credit the trainer anyway.
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       Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | firewaterfuelsme - 2014-09-30 8:29 AM Basically there is no way to know for sure if the stats are accurate when purchasing a horse. I would never rely on that as a buying tool. Maybe if there were more accurate ways of ensuring the info reported is accurate then I would care. Big futurities check papers at check in and horse is #. But weekend jackpots and shows where horse is not verified by identity is only as accurate as the person reporting wants it to be. The horse industry is like the used car industry. you have to shop and test drive because far too many sellers are dishonest. Until equistat becomes reliable and credible I will continue to use barn names or no name at all.
I know around here people know what others are riding. Especially if a horse is a 1D or rodeo mount. People notice. Heck I even know most of the horses that are winning and I don't go much. Just because of all the video that's posted on FB.
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       Location: Tx | cheryl makofka - 2014-09-30 10:43 AM People are saying to use the registered name to give credit where credit is due. Yes I do believe that breeding has a small part of making a champion, but I see training is the larger part. My understanding equistat does not credit the trainer anyway. Also someone please comment I heard equistat will not accept results unless 80 percent of horses are registered?
Equi Stat keeps record of the rider too.
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     Location: lone star state | In my area there are way to many horses and races for anyone to keep up with who's riding what today. I can't even tell you what the top 50 are riding because there are so many. I just go ride my horse the best I can that day. I will not be worried about registered names or what anyone else is riding.
How many people have made comments on this post regarding their personal horses winnings not being acurate because the producer failed to report. Again equistat is only as reliable as those who report the information.
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         Location: Where I am happiest | I find it so funny, and ironic that some on here are saying it doesnt matter, the breeding side of things dont matter, the buying and selling side of things dont matter, yet,,,,,the pages are FULL of "Who to breed to" posts, "critique this pedigree" posts, and the "NFR horses how are they bred" posts. We have the top end sires, the blue hen mares, and everybody wants one of those. Well you know what, it's because of Equistate we have that information!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just admit it, you dont like to, or wont enter by their registered name because it's to many letters and you cant spell if it's more then 3 letters. |
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| SMartin - 2014-09-30 10:57 AM
cheryl makofka - 2014-09-30 10:43 AM People are saying to use the registered name to give credit where credit is due. Yes I do believe that breeding has a small part of making a champion, but I see training is the larger part. My understanding equistat does not credit the trainer anyway. Also someone please comment I heard equistat will not accept results unless 80 percent of horses are registered?
Equi Stat keeps record of the rider too.
The rider may not necessarily be the trainer though.
And can someone comment on the 80% registration requirement, is this true
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        Location: Displaced Iowegian | ThreeCorners - 2014-09-30 12:55 PM I find it so funny, and ironic that some on here are saying it doesnt matter, the breeding side of things dont matter, the buying and selling side of things dont matter, yet,,,,,the pages are FULL of "Who to breed to" posts, "critique this pedigree" posts, and the "NFR horses how are they bred" posts. We have the top end sires, the blue hen mares, and everybody wants one of those. Well you know what, it's because of Equistate we have that information!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just admit it, you dont like to, or wont enter by their registered name because it's to many letters and you cant spell if it's more then 3 letters.
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cheryl makofka - 2014-09-30 10:43 AM People are saying to use the registered name to give credit where credit is due. Yes I do believe that breeding has a small part of making a champion, but I see training is the larger part. My understanding equistat does not credit the trainer anyway. Also someone please comment I heard equistat will not accept results unless 80 percent of horses are registered?
Equi Stat keeps record of the rider too.
The rider may not necessarily be the trainer though.
And can someone comment on the 80% registration requirement, is this true
Yes, training does play a big part. But if someone has jockeyed a horse for 5 years, but they didn't train it....why on earth should the trainer be the one to take credit for money the horse is earning 5 years later? Obviously the jockey has done something right if the horse is still winning. |
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cheryl makofka - 2014-09-30 10:43 AM People are saying to use the registered name to give credit where credit is due. Yes I do believe that breeding has a small part of making a champion, but I see training is the larger part. My understanding equistat does not credit the trainer anyway. Also someone please comment I heard equistat will not accept results unless 80 percent of horses are registered?
Equi Stat keeps record of the rider too.
The rider may not necessarily be the trainer though.
And can someone comment on the 80% registration requirement, is this true
Yes, training does play a big part. But if someone has jockeyed a horse for 5 years, but they didn't train it....why on earth should the trainer be the one to take credit for money the horse is earning 5 years later? Obviously the jockey has done something right if the horse is still winning.
From what I am getting from the jist of this post equistat is to give credit where credit is due, and no one has even mentioned the trainer.
There are many well bred horses that never became anything as they have not fallen into the proper hands, and there have been less then stellar pedigree horses who have excelled due to the training program.
Breeding is important, but IMO not as important as the trainer, equistat doesn't look at this.
Look at the racehorse industry, the owner, trainer, and jockey are all listed
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        Location: ND | NJJ - 2014-09-30 1:25 PM ThreeCorners - 2014-09-30 12:55 PM I find it so funny, and ironic that some on here are saying it doesnt matter, the breeding side of things dont matter, the buying and selling side of things dont matter, yet,,,,,the pages are FULL of "Who to breed to" posts, "critique this pedigree" posts, and the "NFR horses how are they bred" posts. We have the top end sires, the blue hen mares, and everybody wants one of those. Well you know what, it's because of Equistate we have that information!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just admit it, you dont like to, or wont enter by their registered name because it's to many letters and you cant spell if it's more then 3 letters.  
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| dhdqhllc - 2014-09-26 3:43 PM
hmmmm....i already barfed once reading that post on fb........
how about just this ......'dislike'
Now, I'm not trying to be a beotch. I am asking with a smile on my face...aren't you a Jackie Bee fan? You have a band of really nice broodmare that carry Jackie Bee bloodlines?
How did you become aware or interested in Jackie Bee? Just happen to own one good one with those bloodlines? Or were there a few competing and winning? Or a combination of several factors?
Point is...somehow you decided that horses carrying Jackie Bee blood possessed characteristics you liked.
In my view, Equistat is just ONE tool that can help people determine if a bloodline may possess characteristics (money earning get) that they are looking for or, to go a step further, to get an idea of what crosses work. Really, is it that much of an intrusion on your day or your civil liberties to write down their registered names? Just a thought.... ;) |
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SwishMiss - 2014-09-29 4:32 AM I used to enter everything under their barn name, but recently have been using registered names. Why not? It would help researching when buying a horse. I can not say how many times I've looked up horses and found they happen to be less than advertised. The only thing about the post that makes me a little indifferent is the line pouring money into the industry so "we" can play. It sounds like something is being donated, when the fees/prices are paid by those using them.
Because the people who have stallions and products to market specifically to barrel racers spend literally millions every year in incentive money and sponsorship money to plump up the purses for everyone.
Advertising in magazines who then sponsor races and write stories about the winners so we can all read them.
The more each of us can help the industry as a whole the more $$ are out there for you all to run at. 
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        Location: ND | bennie1 - 2014-09-30 2:01 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-09-26 3:43 PM hmmmm....i already barfed once reading that post on fb........
how about just this ......'dislike' Now, I'm not trying to be a beotch. I am asking with a smile on my face...aren't you a Jackie Bee fan? You have a band of really nice broodmare that carry Jackie Bee bloodlines? How did you become aware or interested in Jackie Bee? Just happen to own one good one with those bloodlines? Or were there a few competing and winning? Or a combination of several factors? Point is...somehow you decided that horses carrying Jackie Bee blood possessed characteristics you liked. In my view, Equistat is just ONE tool that can help people determine if a bloodline may possess characteristics (money earning get ) that they are looking for or, to go a step further, to get an idea of what crosses work. Really, is it that much of an intrusion on your day or your civil liberties to write down their registered names? Just a thought.... ; )
lol...gray.....had a couple....not really any around competing and winning at the time......so....combination of factors......i had a decent debate about my reasons that i disliked this on Honor Bounds facebook post...not just to be ornery or protect my civil liberties.....lol...not that i wouldn't be like that...i sure would.....and it is a tool....didn't say it wasn't....just some of the things presented and certain attitudes bugged me.....most have been mentioned in this thread already......and i didn't care to get into it again other than like and dislike....lol...but for you, sure.......now if they only had those damn like and dislike buttons i could just hit those and that would be enough for me... |
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| dhdqhllc - 2014-09-30 2:12 PM bennie1 - 2014-09-30 2:01 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-09-26 3:43 PM hmmmm....i already barfed once reading that post on fb........
how about just this ......'dislike' Now, I'm not trying to be a beotch. I am asking with a smile on my face...aren't you a Jackie Bee fan? You have a band of really nice broodmare that carry Jackie Bee bloodlines? How did you become aware or interested in Jackie Bee? Just happen to own one good one with those bloodlines? Or were there a few competing and winning? Or a combination of several factors? Point is...somehow you decided that horses carrying Jackie Bee blood possessed characteristics you liked. In my view, Equistat is just ONE tool that can help people determine if a bloodline may possess characteristics (money earning get ) that they are looking for or, to go a step further, to get an idea of what crosses work. Really, is it that much of an intrusion on your day or your civil liberties to write down their registered names? Just a thought.... ; ) lol...gray.....had a couple....not really any around competing and winning at the time......so....combination of factors......i had a decent debate about my reasons that i disliked this on Honor Bounds facebook post...not just to be ornery or protect my civil liberties.....lol...not that i wouldn't be like that...i sure would.....and it is a tool....didn't say it wasn't....just some of the things presented and certain attitudes bugged me.....most have been mentioned in this thread already......and i didn't care to get into it again other than like and dislike....lol...but for you, sure.......now if they only had those damn like and dislike buttons i could just hit those and that would be enough for me...
Ah. I see your position better now. I read frustration from the person who wrote the original "rant", as it were. But, I don't disagree with her and I wish people would use registered names at bigger stuff that may get reported. I have been a bit of a bloodline snoop my whole life and having such a database seems like a great tool for anyone making buying or breeding decisions. Certainly not the only tool, but very useful. |
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       Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Right now there are about 6 horses I raised that are winning and placing in races. Some big races some not so big races. About the only thing that really helps me keep going sometimes is to see a video posted of one of my "kids" that is doing well. I thank those people every time for letting me enjoy their success. I know that's not exactly the same as putting names down but it's really the same type of inclusion in the careers of horses that I may have had a big hand in putting on this planet and I enjoy watching them progress VERY much. Putting names on an entry form is the start of being included and being able to cheer that horse and rider on.  |
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       Location: Kansas | TheOldGrayMare - 2014-09-30 9:57 AM I am really surprised by the people who are so weird about writing a registered name on an entry form. How hard is it? What are you trying to hide? You don't like your horse's registered name? Who cares! I've seen some stupid registered names, but I don't care if the horse's name One Eyed Trouser Snake - if it's winning I want to know how it's bred! Just because you're old, grumpy and they didn't do it back in the day isn't really a good answer either. They didn't have cell phones back then either, but you sure have one now.
Breeders put a lot of blood, sweat, tears and certainly MONEY into putting babies on the ground to promote their program. When someone enters a product of the breeder's program in a race or rodeo or whatever and just puts "Skippy" it is offensive because how the hell are they supposed to prove Good Ole Skippy is actually by their stallion or out of their mare? Most people in the breeding business are not making Big Bucks, so their reward is when a horse from their program goes on to win. You are "Paid" so to speak but getting the pride of knowing you raised that horse to be a winner and now it has hone on to prove that. People also like to be proud and say they own a full brother or 3/4 brother or whatever to such and such horse.
I don't think it takes me much longer to write "Behold He Reigns, Harlans Dash and Royal Red Streaker" on an entry form than it does to write "Clifford, Chance and Streak" on there, and in fact, I will correct those names if someone has written down my barn names instead of the registered names. Granted for the bloodline snoops, Behold He Reigns and Royal Red Streaker won't help you out in guessing how they're bred but Chance's name pretty well IDs him and you better believe I watch anything entered with Harlan in the name just to see his "relatives" compete. Also just in case Clifford's breeder ever decides to market his horses to barrel racers (and I totally think he should), being able to look up Behold He Reigns on Equi-Stat and see winnings could really help his cause. At least until Clifford becomes famous somewhere besides Facebook. lol.
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     Location: Texas | cheryl makofka - 2014-09-30 1:13 PM
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cheryl makofka - 2014-09-30 10:43 AM People are saying to use the registered name to give credit where credit is due. Yes I do believe that breeding has a small part of making a champion, but I see training is the larger part. My understanding equistat does not credit the trainer anyway. Also someone please comment I heard equistat will not accept results unless 80 percent of horses are registered?
Equi Stat keeps record of the rider too.
The rider may not necessarily be the trainer though.
And can someone comment on the 80% registration requirement, is this true
What about the horses who were trained by someone else and didn't do well, then are doing well with you? You better believe when that happens, everyone who has a connection to that horse starts asking for their credit and claim to fame. There is never a clear picture. There's two NFR horses past and present I can think of right now who debate/have debated over where the credit is supposed to go as far as who trained him and her.
It is so hard to track giving credit where credit is due. I am not sure I think that is the point of equistat. I thought Equistat was about tracking earnings on the horse and rider for statistical purposes that can then be used to track bloodlines and success, provide verifiable earnings, create magic crosses for breeding purposes, etc.. It's not the only thing out there but it helps. |
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      Location: Adopt a homeless pet - www.petfinder.com! | Nevertooold - 2014-09-30 6:46 PM Reading some of these responses is why barrel racing will never be considered an elite sport. Very sad.  I have to agree with you there, it sure doesn't help. I also agree with Threecorners comment. I guess us barrel racers have it all figured out, why should we follow successful organizations like NCHA, NRHA, NRCHA, just to name a few. Surely bloodlines and tracking earnings doesn't matter to them either, right? 
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Reading some of these responses is why barrel racing will never be considered an elite sport. Very sad. 
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     Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | dashnlotti - 2014-09-29 11:01 PM
Because "Flamboyant Flit" doesn't fit on a line this _______ big LOL. And I have never seen anything on an entry form about earnings being reported to Equistat, so I don't know if anyone does it around here. I mainly run rodeos and I know they don't care. Honestly, for me, I don't even keep up with how much my horse has won-I just don't care. If I did, I would break down, cry my eyes out, and never pay another entry fee! I go to so few barrel races that a small amount of money won would probably look worse than "no results found" to a potential buyer. But I'm not selling anyway, so once again, I don't care. Sorry if I'm single-handedly ruining the entire horse industry! ETA: OK, I checked it out. I know for a fact I used his registered name at a couple big barrel races. According to Equistat the last time he was entered was 2009, so apparently the barrel races I do attend don't get reported anyway. I've owned him since 2010. And holy crapola the last one (and ONLY one ) I entered was 2001 according to the website!
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   Location: WI | Calangelo - 2014-09-30 8:01 PM Nevertooold - 2014-09-30 6:46 PM Reading some of these responses is why barrel racing will never be considered an elite sport. Very sad.  I have to agree with you there, it sure doesn't help. I also agree with Threecorners comment. I guess us barrel racers have it all figured out, why should we follow successful organizations like NCHA, NRHA, NRCHA, just to name a few. Surely bloodlines and tracking earnings doesn't matter to them either, right? 
If we want to follow successful organizations like NCHA, NRHA, etc. then ALL the barrel racing events have to be sanctioned with a single association. For some reason, it just doesn't work that way I guess. I'm not saying it's good or bad, it's just the way it is! If you go to a reining show, it is NRHA sanctioned (okay, so AQHA is the other one with reining classes). If you go to a barrel race, it is BBR, NBHA, IBRA, UBRA, BFA, PEWC, WPRA and the list goes on and on! Oh, and all the rodeo associations!
I have to say, I went and looked up my horses name on EquiStat and they only showed him as competing in 2 shows.... I didn't buy it, so I can't say which ones they were, but I've won over $1k this year alone and at a wide variety of sanctioned shows - all with his registered name. |
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                    Location: In the Hills of Texas | If I'm not mistaken...the show has to have at least $500.00 added. They aren't trying to get results from every little jackpot and backyard race.
What is really ridiculous...How do you think we know what stallions are producing winners?
EquiStat has been awesome and I love reading all the stats that come out every year. I sure understand Tanya's frustrations.
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   Location: Nebraska | Nevertooold - 2014-09-30 9:03 PM If I'm not mistaken...the show has to have at least $500.00 added. They aren't trying to get results from every little jackpot and backyard race.
What is really ridiculous...How do you think we know what stallions are producing winners?
EquiStat has been awesome and I love reading all the stats that come out every year. I sure understand Tanya's frustrations.
I think that it's silly if it has to have at least 500 added. Even though local jackpots may not payout like the big races, it's still money earned. After time, that money adds up. Personally I think every show should report no matter how big or small. |
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        Location: Western performance horse Hades | My rant wasn't to benefit EquiStat. It wasn't even to make barrel racing an elite sport. I'd be happy with legitimate.
Even if a show is never turned into Equi-Stat, a registered name makes it easier for anyone to learn more about a horse. Through the AQHA database, for example. Barn names change, so you have a better chance of seeing who all rode a horse given a registered name, even if you just use Google or Bing or whatever your search engine of choice is. I know when I write sale catalogs I use Google just as much as I use AQHA, Equi-Stat and the Jockey Club.
As for Equi-Stat, they do only enter results with 80 percent registered names as it is pointless to waste their time entering barn names. If you don't have a registered horse (NR) or (Grade) behind the name works. They do keep info Grade horses if its provided. They know at least some of the breeding on a lot of great grade horses. Any show, regardless of payout, can be entered if all registered and noted grade names are provided in a database format. Several jackpot series and NBHA districts throughout the country submit their results.
For those that still don't believe in using registered names. I encourage you view the the Jud Little Corrected results thread on here. A barn name caused a very EXPENSIVE problem.
I'm please to say that some producers are now talking about refusing entries that don't have registered names or noted grade names for there open races.
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                      Location: Here | zipper - 2014-09-30 9:21 PM My rant wasn't to benefit EquiStat. It wasn't even to make barrel racing an elite sport. I'd be happy with legitimate.
Even if a show is never turned into Equi-Stat, a registered name makes it easier for anyone to learn more about a horse. Through the AQHA database, for example. Barn names change, so you have a better chance of seeing who all rode a horse given a registered name, even if you just use Google or Bing or whatever your search engine of choice is. I know when I write sale catalogs I use Google just as much as I use AQHA, Equi-Stat and the Jockey Club.
As for Equi-Stat, they do only enter results with 80 percent registered names as it is pointless to waste their time entering barn names. If you don't have a registered horse (NR) or (Grade) behind the name works. They do keep info Grade horses if its provided. They know at least some of the breeding on a lot of great grade horses. Any show, regardless of payout, can be entered if all registered and noted grade names are provided in a database format. Several jackpot series and NBHA districts throughout the country submit their results.
For those that still don't believe in using registered names. I encourage you view the the Jud Little Corrected results thread on here. A barn name caused a very EXPENSIVE problem.
I'm please to say that some producers are now talking about refusing entries that don't have registered names or noted grade names for there open races.
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   Location: North Texas | Well Zipper..... You beat me to it! :) I haven't been on here in SOOOO Long! Mainly because barrel racers are really keeping me that busy! HA!
YEARS AGO, Equi-Stat had a minimum $20,000 added for us to enter a show into the database. However, that didn't work.. We had all these big huge shows and horribly low percentages on good names. That does not help our industry. In 2010, we decided to change things up a bit.. OK.. we changed it A LOT!!!! We decided enter ANY size race into the database, but it must have 80% REGISTERED AND NOTED GRADE HORSES. Yes (NR) or (G) will be fine.. and all the other information too like Added money and Number of entries.
SIDE NOTE:::::: Here is a really cool thing that the other disciplines have been doing for years. You give your grade horse a really super cool name to make him/her an individual. For instance.. My good gelding is named Lucky. But I always call him Lucky Longnoggin... yes his head a little long.. HA! What I do when I enter a barrel race is write Lucky Longnoggin (NR) aka Lucky.... and I might go as far as letting them know he is a 9yo brown gelding. I know some of the lines aren't long enough for all that, but at some point maybe I could let some one know. Once the information is in Equi-Stat, I just have to enter as Lucky Longnoggin (I have a place for the alias Lucky) :)
What this does is create an individual IDENTITY for Lucky, otherwise, he is lost in a sea of Lucky's... and trust me.. HE IS MOST DEFINITELY A ONE AND ONLY.. LOL
HORSE 1 And UNKNOWN will not help our industry. We have some of the most amazing stallions out there.... AFFORDABLE world class stallions. You guys won't ever know how great they are because people are entering their offspring with barn names. WHY? Ok so Dash Ta Fame and Frenchmans Guy sell.. Not many barrel racers have heard of the stallion Metallic Cat, so when I enter my mare as just Kitty we are missing something here. (I used Metallic Cat because I wanted to pretend for a minute I had one of his babies!!!) Back to my story.. SQUIRREL! HA! The results for this big huge barrel race I went to comes out and I WON IT ALL! (dreaming again) But It just says 1st is Tysh riding Kitty. She ran a whole second faster than anyone and won $10,000!!! No one ever knows the greatness that is Kitty... and no one is booking to breed to Metallic Cat to own one just like her. Do you follow me???
These horses are wonderful beautiful gifts!! Our partners, best friends & fur-babies... Sometimes they have a bad day. Just like my 13 year old son at his football game.. or my 6 year old son at his judo tournament.. I wouldn't change their name to hide that they are mine... So they messed up. It's part of learning and part of living. I say this because I have seen so many people use a barn name for that very reason. If they run everything under Horse 1,2 and 3.. and some one does bad.. no one will ever know. YES We all know this anyway, because no horse is absolutely perfect!!! Except for maybe Lucky Longnoggin.. HA!
WE TRACK WPRA RODEOS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just incase you guys didn't know that. Thanks to a few selfless individuals that work their tails off to get this information. Rodeos are different. We don't have to enter ahead of time with a horse name, so this is a TON of work for the volunteers that help me gather this info. THANK YOU FOR THAT TANYA!!!
We have some IPRA & CPRA (Canada) rodeos. Southeastern rodeo assoc.. We have tried to get cooperation with UPRA contestants here in Texas, which was pretty close for some rodeos last year, but not good enough to get them all in.. And these people are working hard to get this information to me. They care with their whole hearts about barrel racing and these great horses!
I would love to get every single barrel race that happens in the US and Canada and Brazil and China and Italy.. EVERYWHERE!!!!!! OMGOSH!! College rodeos!! Wouldn't that be FANTABULOUS to be able to have registered and noted grade horses from college rodeos!!!!?!?!?!?!? And have a statistical on what bloodlines are making good college rodeo horses!!!!!! WHAT ABOUT JUNIOR/YOUTH RODEO!!!! These horses are just as special as the ones that make it to the NFR.. Maybe even more special because they take care of our CHILDREN!!!!!
Some one has to be the person to say.. TODAY it's gonna be different. That's how we got started with WPRA results. Kitty Herrin decided to make it different out in Montana!! The rest is HISTORY!!! Thank you Kitty!
Some things you should know about Equi-Stat.
1. We are based on REPORTED EARNINGS. If they don't send it, we don't have it. It's not that we are inaccurate (yes we make mistakes) it's that PRODUCERS AREN'T SENDING THIS STUFF TO US!! Just email your result file to equistat@cowboypublishing.com and PLEASE include, City and state where the show is held, the date, added money per class, number of entries per class, rider names with city and state, REGISTERED or NOTED GRADE HORSE NAME, place, time and money earned. It's really simple!!!
2. We are only as good as the good information we are given.
3. We have actually been here since the mid 80s!!
4. We have barrel racing aged events back to the late 80s.
5. There are 5 of us in this ENTIRE department working on Cutting, Reining, Working Cow Horse, Western Pleasure, Hunter Hack, Longe Line, Hunter Under Saddle, Ranch Sorting, Ranch Versatility, Stock Horse, and Barrel Racing..
We split this up in the department and YES, my focus is Barrel Racing. Please remember me when you are entering your horses!! :) My co-workers help me so so much but for the most part it's just me. The better the results, the quicker I can get this stuff in and the MORE I can get in.
If you have any questions, you can reply here or email me. tysha.pipps@cowboypublishing.com I would be happy to answer anything I might have missed.. There's so much in my head and in my heart that I want you all to know about Equi-Stat. We aren't new to the performance horse industry. It's so much better than it was when I started here 13 1/2 years ago. But we can make this so much better!!
OMGOSH!! Flame away!!!!!! |
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         Location: Where I am happiest | Equistat can only record the information submitted. So if they dont have all your horses earnings, and your still entering with a barn name....when does the light bulb come on? And if you are entering by your horses reg. name but the earnings arent there, then you need to put the pressure on the race producer to send the race results in. All they have to do is send them in!! Yes there are many smaller "associations" that are regionally based but many of those do send in results. I know many also require those producing races under their association to get reg. names and the approving assoc. sends in all results. Even for the little weekly jackpot. It's up to ALL of us to do our part! We all love this sport and I cant imagine anybody that wouldnt want it to be the best as an industry as it can be!! It benefits ALL of us! |
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          Location: You never know where I will show up...... | ucantcatchme - 2014-10-01 10:20 AM Well Zipper..... You beat me to it! :) I haven't been on here in SOOOO Long! Mainly because barrel racers are really keeping me that busy! HA!
YEARS AGO, Equi-Stat had a minimum $20,000 added for us to enter a show into the database. However, that didn't work.. We had all these big huge shows and horribly low percentages on good names. That does not help our industry. In 2010, we decided to change things up a bit.. OK.. we changed it A LOT!!!! We decided enter ANY size race into the database, but it must have 80% REGISTERED AND NOTED GRADE HORSES. Yes (NR) or (G) will be fine.. and all the other information too like Added money and Number of entries.
SIDE NOTE:::::: Here is a really cool thing that the other disciplines have been doing for years. You give your grade horse a really super cool name to make him/her an individual. For instance.. My good gelding is named Lucky. But I always call him Lucky Longnoggin... yes his head a little long.. HA! What I do when I enter a barrel race is write Lucky Longnoggin (NR) aka Lucky.... and I might go as far as letting them know he is a 9yo brown gelding. I know some of the lines aren't long enough for all that, but at some point maybe I could let some one know. Once the information is in Equi-Stat, I just have to enter as Lucky Longnoggin (I have a place for the alias Lucky) :)
What this does is create an individual IDENTITY for Lucky, otherwise, he is lost in a sea of Lucky's... and trust me.. HE IS MOST DEFINITELY A ONE AND ONLY.. LOL
HORSE 1 And UNKNOWN will not help our industry. We have some of the most amazing stallions out there.... AFFORDABLE world class stallions. You guys won't ever know how great they are because people are entering their offspring with barn names. WHY? Ok so Dash Ta Fame and Frenchmans Guy sell.. Not many barrel racers have heard of the stallion Metallic Cat, so when I enter my mare as just Kitty we are missing something here. (I used Metallic Cat because I wanted to pretend for a minute I had one of his babies!!!) Back to my story.. SQUIRREL! HA! The results for this big huge barrel race I went to comes out and I WON IT ALL! (dreaming again) But It just says 1st is Tysh riding Kitty. She ran a whole second faster than anyone and won $10,000!!! No one ever knows the greatness that is Kitty... and no one is booking to breed to Metallic Cat to own one just like her. Do you follow me???
These horses are wonderful beautiful gifts!! Our partners, best friends & fur-babies... Sometimes they have a bad day. Just like my 13 year old son
at his football game.. or my 6 year old son at his judo tournament.. I wouldn't change their name to hide that they are mine... So they messed up. It's part of learning and part of living. I say this because I have seen so many people use a barn name for that very reason. If they run everything under Horse 1,2 and 3.. and some one does bad.. no one will ever know. YES We all know this anyway, because no horse is absolutely perfect!!! Except for maybe Lucky Longnoggin.. HA!
WE TRACK WPRA RODEOS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just incase you guys didn't know that. Thanks to a few selfless individuals that work their tails off to get this information. Rodeos are different. We don't have to enter ahead of time with a horse name, so this is a TON of work for the volunteers that help me gather this info. THANK YOU FOR THAT TANYA!!!
We have some IPRA & CPRA (Canada) rodeos. Southeastern rodeo assoc.. We have tried to get cooperation with UPRA contestants here in Texas, which was pretty close for some rodeos last year, but not good enough to get them all in.. And these people are working hard to get this information to me. They care with their whole hearts about barrel racing and these great horses!
I would love to get every single barrel race that happens in the US and Canada and Brazil and China and Italy.. EVERYWHERE!!!!!! OMGOSH!! College rodeos!! Wouldn't that be FANTABULOUS to be able to have registered and noted grade horses from college rodeos!!!!?!?!?!?!? And have a statistical on what bloodlines are making good college rodeo horses!!!!!! WHAT ABOUT JUNIOR/YOUTH RODEO!!!! These horses are just as special as the ones that make it to the NFR.. Maybe even more special because they take care of our CHILDREN!!!!!
Some one has to be the person to say.. TODAY it's gonna be different. That's how we got started with WPRA results. Kitty Herrin decided to make it different out in Montana!! The rest is HISTORY!!! Thank you Kitty!
Some things you should know about Equi-Stat.
1. We are based on REPORTED EARNINGS. If they don't send it, we don't have it. It's not that we are inaccurate (yes we make mistakes) it's that PRODUCERS AREN'T SENDING THIS STUFF TO US!! Just email your result file to equistat@cowboypublishing.com and PLEASE include, City and state where the show is held, the date, added money per class, number of entries per class, rider names with city and state, REGISTERED or NOTED GRADE HORSE NAME, place, time and money earned. It's really simple!!!
2. We are only as good as the good information we are given.
3. We have actually been here since the mid 80s!!
4. We have barrel racing aged events back to the late 80s.
5. There are 5 of us in this ENTIRE department working on Cutting, Reining, Working Cow Horse, Western Pleasure, Hunter Hack, Longe Line, Hunter Under Saddle, Ranch Sorting, Ranch Versatility, Stock Horse, and Barrel Racing..
We split this up in the department and YES, my focus is Barrel Racing. Please remember me when you are entering your horses!! :) My co-workers help me so so much but for the most part it's just me. The better the results, the quicker I can get this stuff in and the MORE I can get in.
If you have any questions, you can reply here or email me. tysha.pipps@cowboypublishing.com I would be happy to answer anything I might have missed.. There's so much in my head and in my heart that I want you all to know about Equi-Stat. We aren't new to the performance horse industry. It's so much better than it was when I started here 13 1/2 years ago. But we can make this so much better!!
OMGOSH!! Flame away!!!!!!
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   Location: North Texas | Would you like to know the biggest purpose for (NR)??? That's so I don't have to spend 20 minutes searching the database or the internet for horses ridden by Tysh that might have the barn name Lucky.. and THEN find a race that would have the alias of Lucky listed with the registered name. Or stalk Tysh on FaceBook to see if there is a picture or a congratulations for Tysh and Lucky and maybe see a registered name for him somewhere....whew... breathe.... YES I DO THAT!!! WHY?? Because I love what I do. And I want your information to be accurate.
Some times I ask myself WHY???? It boils down to this.. I have owned the horses, ridden the horses, trained the horses, loved the horses and sold them as well, and I want to be sure to do the best job I can in having accurate information for YOU and YOUR HORSE. $100,000 in the Juvenile at the BFA or the $25 in the Youth 5D from the arena down the road. Your horse deserves to be credited. The stallion deserves to be credited. The entire mare line deserves the credit. Not every horse in the world is valued by the amount of zeros in total earnings he or she might have. It might just be the consistency. The ability to run all over the country and be the same every time. By entering $25 at a time.. we can prove worth... and over the years I have learned.. those well known barrel racing bloodlines really do produce barrel horses, but so does that old foundation bloodline too.. or that wild outcross that some one gave a try...
I'd love to try to win every one of you over to being a fan of Equi-Stat!! This will only be as good as what we make it. |
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                    Location: In the Hills of Texas | ucantcatchme - 2014-10-01 12:13 PM Would you like to know the biggest purpose for (NR)??? That's so I don't have to spend 20 minutes searching the database or the internet for horses ridden by Tysh that might have the barn name Lucky.. and THEN find a race that would have the alias of Lucky listed with the registered name. Or stalk Tysh on FaceBook to see if there is a picture or a congratulations for Tysh and Lucky and maybe see a registered name for him somewhere....whew... breathe.... YES I DO THAT!!! WHY?? Because I love what I do. And I want your information to be accurate.
Some times I ask myself WHY???? It boils down to this.. I have owned the horses, ridden the horses, trained the horses, loved the horses and sold them as well, and I want to be sure to do the best job I can in having accurate information for YOU and YOUR HORSE. $100,000 in the Juvenile at the BFA or the $25 in the Youth 5D from the arena down the road. Your horse deserves to be credited. The stallion deserves to be credited. The entire mare line deserves the credit. Not every horse in the world is valued by the amount of zeros in total earnings he or she might have. It might just be the consistency. The ability to run all over the country and be the same every time. By entering $25 at a time.. we can prove worth... and over the years I have learned.. those well known barrel racing bloodlines really do produce barrel horses, but so does that old foundation bloodline too.. or that wild outcross that some one gave a try...
I'd love to try to win every one of you over to being a fan of Equi-Stat!! This will only be as good as what we make it.
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       Location: Tx | ucantcatchme - 2014-10-01 12:13 PM Would you like to know the biggest purpose for (NR)??? That's so I don't have to spend 20 minutes searching the database or the internet for horses ridden by Tysh that might have the barn name Lucky.. and THEN find a race that would have the alias of Lucky listed with the registered name. Or stalk Tysh on FaceBook to see if there is a picture or a congratulations for Tysh and Lucky and maybe see a registered name for him somewhere....whew... breathe.... YES I DO THAT!!! WHY?? Because I love what I do. And I want your information to be accurate.
Some times I ask myself WHY???? It boils down to this.. I have owned the horses, ridden the horses, trained the horses, loved the horses and sold them as well, and I want to be sure to do the best job I can in having accurate information for YOU and YOUR HORSE. $100,000 in the Juvenile at the BFA or the $25 in the Youth 5D from the arena down the road. Your horse deserves to be credited. The stallion deserves to be credited. The entire mare line deserves the credit. Not every horse in the world is valued by the amount of zeros in total earnings he or she might have. It might just be the consistency. The ability to run all over the country and be the same every time. By entering $25 at a time.. we can prove worth... and over the years I have learned.. those well known barrel racing bloodlines really do produce barrel horses, but so does that old foundation bloodline too.. or that wild outcross that some one gave a try...
I'd love to try to win every one of you over to being a fan of Equi-Stat!! This will only be as good as what we make it.
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         Location: Louisiana | ucantcatchme - 2014-10-01 10:20 AM Well Zipper..... You beat me to it! :) I haven't been on here in SOOOO Long! Mainly because barrel racers are really keeping me that busy! HA!
YEARS AGO, Equi-Stat had a minimum $20,000 added for us to enter a show into the database. However, that didn't work.. We had all these big huge shows and horribly low percentages on good names. That does not help our industry. In 2010, we decided to change things up a bit.. OK.. we changed it A LOT!!!! We decided enter ANY size race into the database, but it must have 80% REGISTERED AND NOTED GRADE HORSES. Yes (NR) or (G) will be fine.. and all the other information too like Added money and Number of entries.
SIDE NOTE:::::: Here is a really cool thing that the other disciplines have been doing for years. You give your grade horse a really super cool name to make him/her an individual. For instance.. My good gelding is named Lucky. But I always call him Lucky Longnoggin... yes his head a little long.. HA! What I do when I enter a barrel race is write Lucky Longnoggin (NR) aka Lucky.... and I might go as far as letting them know he is a 9yo brown gelding. I know some of the lines aren't long enough for all that, but at some point maybe I could let some one know. Once the information is in Equi-Stat, I just have to enter as Lucky Longnoggin (I have a place for the alias Lucky) :)
What this does is create an individual IDENTITY for Lucky, otherwise, he is lost in a sea of Lucky's... and trust me.. HE IS MOST DEFINITELY A ONE AND ONLY.. LOL
HORSE 1 And UNKNOWN will not help our industry. We have some of the most amazing stallions out there.... AFFORDABLE world class stallions. You guys won't ever know how great they are because people are entering their offspring with barn names. WHY? Ok so Dash Ta Fame and Frenchmans Guy sell.. Not many barrel racers have heard of the stallion Metallic Cat, so when I enter my mare as just Kitty we are missing something here. (I used Metallic Cat because I wanted to pretend for a minute I had one of his babies!!!) Back to my story.. SQUIRREL! HA! The results for this big huge barrel race I went to comes out and I WON IT ALL! (dreaming again) But It just says 1st is Tysh riding Kitty. She ran a whole second faster than anyone and won $10,000!!! No one ever knows the greatness that is Kitty... and no one is booking to breed to Metallic Cat to own one just like her. Do you follow me???
These horses are wonderful beautiful gifts!! Our partners, best friends & fur-babies... Sometimes they have a bad day. Just like my 13 year old son
at his football game.. or my 6 year old son at his judo tournament.. I wouldn't change their name to hide that they are mine... So they messed up. It's part of learning and part of living. I say this because I have seen so many people use a barn name for that very reason. If they run everything under Horse 1,2 and 3.. and some one does bad.. no one will ever know. YES We all know this anyway, because no horse is absolutely perfect!!! Except for maybe Lucky Longnoggin.. HA!
WE TRACK WPRA RODEOS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just incase you guys didn't know that. Thanks to a few selfless individuals that work their tails off to get this information. Rodeos are different. We don't have to enter ahead of time with a horse name, so this is a TON of work for the volunteers that help me gather this info. THANK YOU FOR THAT TANYA!!!
We have some IPRA & CPRA (Canada) rodeos. Southeastern rodeo assoc.. We have tried to get cooperation with UPRA contestants here in Texas, which was pretty close for some rodeos last year, but not good enough to get them all in.. And these people are working hard to get this information to me. They care with their whole hearts about barrel racing and these great horses!
I would love to get every single barrel race that happens in the US and Canada and Brazil and China and Italy.. EVERYWHERE!!!!!! OMGOSH!! College rodeos!! Wouldn't that be FANTABULOUS to be able to have registered and noted grade horses from college rodeos!!!!?!?!?!?!? And have a statistical on what bloodlines are making good college rodeo horses!!!!!! WHAT ABOUT JUNIOR/YOUTH RODEO!!!! These horses are just as special as the ones that make it to the NFR.. Maybe even more special because they take care of our CHILDREN!!!!!
Some one has to be the person to say.. TODAY it's gonna be different. That's how we got started with WPRA results. Kitty Herrin decided to make it different out in Montana!! The rest is HISTORY!!! Thank you Kitty!
Some things you should know about Equi-Stat.
1. We are based on REPORTED EARNINGS. If they don't send it, we don't have it. It's not that we are inaccurate (yes we make mistakes) it's that PRODUCERS AREN'T SENDING THIS STUFF TO US!! Just email your result file to equistat@cowboypublishing.com and PLEASE include, City and state where the show is held, the date, added money per class, number of entries per class, rider names with city and state, REGISTERED or NOTED GRADE HORSE NAME, place, time and money earned. It's really simple!!!
2. We are only as good as the good information we are given.
3. We have actually been here since the mid 80s!!
4. We have barrel racing aged events back to the late 80s.
5. There are 5 of us in this ENTIRE department working on Cutting, Reining, Working Cow Horse, Western Pleasure, Hunter Hack, Longe Line, Hunter Under Saddle, Ranch Sorting, Ranch Versatility, Stock Horse, and Barrel Racing..
We split this up in the department and YES, my focus is Barrel Racing. Please remember me when you are entering your horses!! :) My co-workers help me so so much but for the most part it's just me. The better the results, the quicker I can get this stuff in and the MORE I can get in.
If you have any questions, you can reply here or email me. tysha.pipps@cowboypublishing.com I would be happy to answer anything I might have missed.. There's so much in my head and in my heart that I want you all to know about Equi-Stat. We aren't new to the performance horse industry. It's so much better than it was when I started here 13 1/2 years ago. But we can make this so much better!!
OMGOSH!! Flame away!!!!!!
I would like to say thank you! You explained the issue and gave me a better perspective without speaking down to anyone-which we all know doesn't work. Being condesending doesn't make someone want to join your cause, which is the tone I got from the original post and MANY board members. Because of YOU and a few others, I will be much more likely to use T-Bo's registered name in the future. I can see how it would reflect positively on his breeders, who do have a business of selling barrel prospects. |
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        Location: The Oklahoma plains. | dashnlotti - 2014-10-02 12:54 PM ucantcatchme - 2014-10-01 10:20 AM Well Zipper..... You beat me to it! :) I haven't been on here in SOOOO Long! Mainly because barrel racers are really keeping me that busy! HA!
YEARS AGO, Equi-Stat had a minimum $20,000 added for us to enter a show into the database. However, that didn't work.. We had all these big huge shows and horribly low percentages on good names. That does not help our industry. In 2010, we decided to change things up a bit.. OK.. we changed it A LOT!!!! We decided enter ANY size race into the database, but it must have 80% REGISTERED AND NOTED GRADE HORSES. Yes (NR) or (G) will be fine.. and all the other information too like Added money and Number of entries.
SIDE NOTE:::::: Here is a really cool thing that the other disciplines have been doing for years. You give your grade horse a really super cool name to make him/her an individual. For instance.. My good gelding is named Lucky. But I always call him Lucky Longnoggin... yes his head a little long.. HA! What I do when I enter a barrel race is write Lucky Longnoggin (NR) aka Lucky.... and I might go as far as letting them know he is a 9yo brown gelding. I know some of the lines aren't long enough for all that, but at some point maybe I could let some one know. Once the information is in Equi-Stat, I just have to enter as Lucky Longnoggin (I have a place for the alias Lucky) :)
What this does is create an individual IDENTITY for Lucky, otherwise, he is lost in a sea of Lucky's... and trust me.. HE IS MOST DEFINITELY A ONE AND ONLY.. LOL
HORSE 1 And UNKNOWN will not help our industry. We have some of the most amazing stallions out there.... AFFORDABLE world class stallions. You guys won't ever know how great they are because people are entering their offspring with barn names. WHY? Ok so Dash Ta Fame and Frenchmans Guy sell.. Not many barrel racers have heard of the stallion Metallic Cat, so when I enter my mare as just Kitty we are missing something here. (I used Metallic Cat because I wanted to pretend for a minute I had one of his babies!!!) Back to my story.. SQUIRREL! HA! The results for this big huge barrel race I went to comes out and I WON IT ALL! (dreaming again) But It just says 1st is Tysh riding Kitty. She ran a whole second faster than anyone and won $10,000!!! No one ever knows the greatness that is Kitty... and no one is booking to breed to Metallic Cat to own one just like her. Do you follow me???
These horses are wonderful beautiful gifts!! Our partners, best friends & fur-babies... Sometimes they have a bad day. Just like my 13 year old son
at his football game.. or my 6 year old son at his judo tournament.. I wouldn't change their name to hide that they are mine... So they messed up. It's part of learning and part of living. I say this because I have seen so many people use a barn name for that very reason. If they run everything under Horse 1,2 and 3.. and some one does bad.. no one will ever know. YES We all know this anyway, because no horse is absolutely perfect!!! Except for maybe Lucky Longnoggin.. HA!
WE TRACK WPRA RODEOS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just incase you guys didn't know that. Thanks to a few selfless individuals that work their tails off to get this information. Rodeos are different. We don't have to enter ahead of time with a horse name, so this is a TON of work for the volunteers that help me gather this info. THANK YOU FOR THAT TANYA!!!
We have some IPRA & CPRA (Canada) rodeos. Southeastern rodeo assoc.. We have tried to get cooperation with UPRA contestants here in Texas, which was pretty close for some rodeos last year, but not good enough to get them all in.. And these people are working hard to get this information to me. They care with their whole hearts about barrel racing and these great horses!
I would love to get every single barrel race that happens in the US and Canada and Brazil and China and Italy.. EVERYWHERE!!!!!! OMGOSH!! College rodeos!! Wouldn't that be FANTABULOUS to be able to have registered and noted grade horses from college rodeos!!!!?!?!?!?!? And have a statistical on what bloodlines are making good college rodeo horses!!!!!! WHAT ABOUT JUNIOR/YOUTH RODEO!!!! These horses are just as special as the ones that make it to the NFR.. Maybe even more special because they take care of our CHILDREN!!!!!
Some one has to be the person to say.. TODAY it's gonna be different. That's how we got started with WPRA results. Kitty Herrin decided to make it different out in Montana!! The rest is HISTORY!!! Thank you Kitty!
Some things you should know about Equi-Stat.
1. We are based on REPORTED EARNINGS. If they don't send it, we don't have it. It's not that we are inaccurate (yes we make mistakes) it's that PRODUCERS AREN'T SENDING THIS STUFF TO US!! Just email your result file to equistat@cowboypublishing.com and PLEASE include, City and state where the show is held, the date, added money per class, number of entries per class, rider names with city and state, REGISTERED or NOTED GRADE HORSE NAME, place, time and money earned. It's really simple!!!
2. We are only as good as the good information we are given.
3. We have actually been here since the mid 80s!!
4. We have barrel racing aged events back to the late 80s.
5. There are 5 of us in this ENTIRE department working on Cutting, Reining, Working Cow Horse, Western Pleasure, Hunter Hack, Longe Line, Hunter Under Saddle, Ranch Sorting, Ranch Versatility, Stock Horse, and Barrel Racing..
We split this up in the department and YES, my focus is Barrel Racing. Please remember me when you are entering your horses!! :) My co-workers help me so so much but for the most part it's just me. The better the results, the quicker I can get this stuff in and the MORE I can get in.
If you have any questions, you can reply here or email me. tysha.pipps@cowboypublishing.com I would be happy to answer anything I might have missed.. There's so much in my head and in my heart that I want you all to know about Equi-Stat. We aren't new to the performance horse industry. It's so much better than it was when I started here 13 1/2 years ago. But we can make this so much better!!
OMGOSH!! Flame away!!!!!! I would like to say thank you! You explained the issue and gave me a better perspective without speaking down to anyone-which we all know doesn't work. Being condesending doesn't make someone want to join your cause, which is the tone I got from the original post and MANY board members.
Because of YOU and a few others, I will be much more likely to use T-Bo's registered name in the future. I can see how it would reflect positively on his breeders, who do have a business of selling barrel prospects.
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