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Location: Mustang, OK | Corrected results for the Sunday Race at the Bar Nothin Barrel Bash have been posted on Fastenter.com and will be updated soon on JudLittleRanch.com. If you won a check at any time during the week please send W-9 to Jud Little Ranch in order to collect winnings. If you filled a W-9 out on site at Ardmore, you do not need to send another unless requested to do so by Jud Little staff. |
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Location: Texas | Cjakerock - 2014-09-30 6:57 PM
Curious - what happened to change the results??
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Location: Oklahoma | fifteenflat - 2014-09-30 8:57 PM
Cjakerock - 2014-09-30 6:57 PM
Curious - what happened to change the results??
winner was dq'd.
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Wow that's crappy, how did they catch him? I know a local girl who did that, got kicked out of a lot of associations when they caught on! |
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Location: Oklahoma | RnRJack - 2014-09-30 10:42 PM Wow that's crappy, how did they catch him? I know a local girl who did that, got kicked out of a lot of associations when they caught on!
Yeah, I'm curious as well! A name like his is gonna draw more names to the fence than just your average joe! |
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| It is all over FB, said he rolled his time over from the futurity using registered name then entered under the barn name and ran. Verified it by looking at video. Some are calling in an honest mistake.. A post from FB:
I know that Troy is an experience. Futurity rider and I want to believe it was an honest mistake. In the futurity you could carry over,but if you were a future fortunes horse,you could not,you had to run in the open. Maybe the owner made the mistake when he signed him up. Troy was just the jockey. Kendall Owen ran the 14.763 . I hope it was not intended.
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| ThreeCorners - 2014-10-01 6:58 AM
Who is He?
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | rodeomom3 - 2014-10-01 6:50 AM It is all over FB, said he rolled his time over from the futurity using registered name then entered under the barn name and ran. Verified it by looking at video. Some are calling in an honest mistake.. A post from FB: I know that Troy is an experience. Futurity rider and I want to believe it was an honest mistake. In the futurity you could carry over,but if you were a future fortunes horse,you could not,you had to run in the open. Maybe the owner made the mistake when he signed him up. Troy was just the jockey. Kendall Owen ran the 14.763 . I hope it was not intended.
I just heard about this and that bites, a friend won the 3D and now what? does she have to give the money back because Troy did this? wow... Im just in awe.... (and heres my thought) how does someone like Troy not know the rules by now? right..... using a registered name and then a barn name... hummmmmmm 
That just sucks for those that won big and now.......
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Location: Mansfield, Tx | Well, my thoughts are... and I haven't even looked at names so I don't know who everyone is talking about..
BUT....
If you know you have a winning Run /Time and its being carried over from the futurity to the Open then why would you "THINK" you have to run that horse again in the open anyway?
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | My opinion is - he has been around way too long for it to be an honest mistake. He cheated and he got caught. How many more times has this happened and no one has caught the person/persons (not just him). I doubt he was the first one.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | cindyt - 2014-10-01 7:10 AM rodeomom3 - 2014-10-01 6:50 AM It is all over FB, said he rolled his time over from the futurity using registered name then entered under the barn name and ran. Verified it by looking at video. Some are calling in an honest mistake.. A post from FB: I know that Troy is an experience. Futurity rider and I want to believe it was an honest mistake. In the futurity you could carry over,but if you were a future fortunes horse,you could not,you had to run in the open. Maybe the owner made the mistake when he signed him up. Troy was just the jockey. Kendall Owen ran the 14.763 . I hope it was not intended. I just heard about this and that bites, a friend won the 3D and now what? does she have to give the money back because Troy did this? wow... Im just in awe.... (and heres my thought) how does someone like Troy not know the rules by now? right..... using a registered name and then a barn name... hummmmmmm That just sucks for those that won big and now.......
Im curious to see what happens...
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | NJJ - 2014-10-01 8:13 AM cindyt - 2014-10-01 7:10 AM rodeomom3 - 2014-10-01 6:50 AM It is all over FB, said he rolled his time over from the futurity using registered name then entered under the barn name and ran. Verified it by looking at video. Some are calling in an honest mistake.. A post from FB: I know that Troy is an experience. Futurity rider and I want to believe it was an honest mistake. In the futurity you could carry over,but if you were a future fortunes horse,you could not,you had to run in the open. Maybe the owner made the mistake when he signed him up. Troy was just the jockey. Kendall Owen ran the 14.763 . I hope it was not intended. I just heard about this and that bites, a friend won the 3D and now what? does she have to give the money back because Troy did this? wow... Im just in awe.... (and heres my thought) how does someone like Troy not know the rules by now? right..... using a registered name and then a barn name... hummmmmmm
That just sucks for those that won big and now.......
Im curious to see what happens...
My thoughts as well. They wouldn't have entered the second time using a barn name if it was an honest mistake. Cheater got caught this time. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | IMO He and the owner both knew what was going on. They weren't happy with his futurity run time so wanted a re-do. He's got an American qualifier and I hope that's taken away from him. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | CYA Ranch - 2014-10-01 8:21 AM IMO He and the owner both knew what was going on. They weren't happy with his futurity run time so wanted a re-do. He's got an American qualifier and I hope that's taken away from him.
I would not want to see him punished for the American- he earned that spot on a great horse. He made a mistake, even if that mistake was to try and cheat. But he is an icon in our industry and I still respect all he has accpomplished. |
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Location: The edge of no where | CYA Ranch - 2014-10-01 8:21 AM IMO He and the owner both knew what was going on. They weren't happy with his futurity run time so wanted a re-do. He's got an American qualifier and I hope that's taken away from him.
I don't think you can/should penalize them at other events that have nothing to do with this.
The only thing that makes me wonder if it was an honest mistake is that the horse still have his futurity draw number painted on his butt....if you watch the video and pay attention, you can see it. I can't imagine being arrogant enough to think no one would notice. It does seem really fishy, but I'd sure like to hear the other side of the story before making a call on if it was done intentionally. Just sad.
I really feel bad for those that thought they won big checks for a couple of days.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | CYA Ranch - 2014-10-01 9:21 AM IMO He and the owner both knew what was going on. They weren't happy with his futurity run time so wanted a re-do. He's got an American qualifier and I hope that's taken away from him.
While I agree that what happened was wrong, I don't think he should have that taken away from him. Different race, different producer. |
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I think JL should ban him for a few years. |
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| NJJ - 2014-10-01 8:13 AM
cindyt - 2014-10-01 7:10 AM rodeomom3 - 2014-10-01 6:50 AM It is all over FB, said he rolled his time over from the futurity using registered name then entered under the barn name and ran. Verified it by looking at video. Some are calling in an honest mistake.. A post from FB: I know that Troy is an experience. Futurity rider and I want to believe it was an honest mistake. In the futurity you could carry over,but if you were a future fortunes horse,you could not,you had to run in the open. Maybe the owner made the mistake when he signed him up. Troy was just the jockey. Kendall Owen ran the 14.763 . I hope it was not intended. I just heard about this and that bites, a friend won the 3D and now what? does she have to give the money back because Troy did this? wow... Im just in awe.... (and heres my thought) how does someone like Troy not know the rules by now? right..... using a registered name and then a barn name... hummmmmmm That just sucks for those that won big and now.......
Im curious to see what happens...
He couldnt have written down a registered horses name? |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | Itsme - 2014-10-01 8:40 AM What should his"punishment" be? I think JL should ban him for a few years.
I dont know who entered the horse, him, the owner, or if they asked the rules prior to entering and maybe a staff member told them wrong??- I wasnt there. But I think taking his win away is enough? I mean, I guess I dont understand the desire to burn him at the stake? |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Just out of curiosity, how many horses did he actually run? I'm not sure how one would not know that they had already ran a particular horse. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I don't think they should accept any entries by barn name either. That's kind of crazy. |
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Location: The edge of no where | LRQHS - 2014-10-01 8:51 AM
I don't think they should accept any entries by barn name either. That's kind of crazy.
So what do you do with grade horses? I have one that I know is papered....but I have no idea what his registered name is. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | LRQHS - 2014-10-01 8:48 AM Just out of curiosity, how many horses did he actually run? I'm not sure how one would not know that they had already ran a particular horse.
I doubt that is the case. I think it is more of a case of not knowing you couldnt just enter the open race. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | MS2011 - 2014-10-01 8:55 AM LRQHS - 2014-10-01 8:51 AM
I don't think they should accept any entries by barn name either. That's kind of crazy. So what do you do with grade horses? I have one that I know is papered....but I have no idea what his registered name is.
Maybe, put a "G" behind the name. Are there that many on them out there running in these big races? I don't know, just asking. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | MS2011 - 2014-10-01 8:55 AM LRQHS - 2014-10-01 8:51 AM
I don't think they should accept any entries by barn name either. That's kind of crazy. So what do you do with grade horses? I have one that I know is papered....but I have no idea what his registered name is.
Too bad they can't DNA test horses that are know to come from registered parents.......I realize that would be insane.....but, too bad. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I guess what this tells me is that it is just too easy to cheat in barrel racing. It's only natural to wonder how many additional "premier names" leading our sport are guilty of cheating, one way or another....especially when you include doping. The sport is crying out for more uniformity, in my opinion. That should include drug testing and other rules, such as using papered names, and perhaps most importantly, real CONSEQUENCES that hurt when one is busted. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | TurnLane - 2014-10-01 8:31 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-10-01 8:21 AM IMO He and the owner both knew what was going on. They weren't happy with his futurity run time so wanted a re-do. He's got an American qualifier and I hope that's taken away from him. I would not want to see him punished for the American- he earned that spot on a great horse. He made a mistake, even if that mistake was to try and cheat. But he is an icon in our industry and I still respect all he has accpomplished.
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Location: In a happy place | TurnLane - 2014-10-01 8:31 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-10-01 8:21 AM IMO He and the owner both knew what was going on. They weren't happy with his futurity run time so wanted a re-do. He's got an American qualifier and I hope that's taken away from him. I would not want to see him punished for the American- he earned that spot on a great horse. He made a mistake, even if that mistake was to try and cheat. But he is an icon in our industry and I still respect all he has accpomplished.
I understand you being loyal to an icon in barrel racing and Troy has certainly had a lot of things to do with barrel races growing from back in the dark ages.
What I don't understand is the mentality of the masses now days that people shouldn't be punished for breaking rules/laws.
Jud Little is a huge barrel race with people coming from all over the country. The American is another huge venue for barrel racing.
In my mind barrel racing is barrel racing. If a steeper penality is enforced for cheating throughout all of barrel racing then this might be a start to making it fair again.
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | I just hate to see the lynch mob mentality- its not like he drugged his horse nor got caught with an illegal timer laser device. It truly could have been the utmost of errors. He has been around far too long to make this big of a mistake, IMO.
He does ride TONS of horses. Maybe like most men, he isnt great with all the registered names of his futurity horses that change every year? Or maybe, just maybe, his customer strong armed him?? I have NO idea. Just playing devils advocate. Maybe he wasnt aware that the owner paid the carry over for the futurity??
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| In a way, I think it is a good thing that this happened with a trainer everyone knows, at a large barrel race. Maybe it will raise some awareness of things like this going on and it will become less common practice.
Let's all remember I made a post about this kind of rule "bending" and most responses were something along the lines of "I don't care if someone does this because I'm only concerned about my own horse and my own run"...
I also don't think he needs to be hung out to dry on this. I don't think it is something he will do again. I think the toll this is taking on his reputation alone is punishment enough. Do I think people should stop talking about it? No. It should be discussed. Do we need to say he is scum of the Earth and should be banned from barrel racing, well no I don't think that is right either.
Just some thoughts I had on it...
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| Itsme - 2014-10-01 9:38 AM
To me this really isnt cheating, he still entered the horse. ran it and won on it. But if I were the prouder I would still ban him a year or two for not following rules and just being disrespectful in general/
Never mind, he rolled his horse into the same class as he ran it in later in the day? Thats not good, but I would still ban him a year or two. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | CYA Ranch - 2014-10-01 9:32 AM TurnLane - 2014-10-01 8:31 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-10-01 8:21 AM IMO He and the owner both knew what was going on. They weren't happy with his futurity run time so wanted a re-do. He's got an American qualifier and I hope that's taken away from him. I would not want to see him punished for the American- he earned that spot on a great horse. He made a mistake, even if that mistake was to try and cheat. But he is an icon in our industry and I still respect all he has accpomplished.
I have to sit here and “scratch my head” at some of the comments…..Why don’t you just pin a medal on his chest? "Mistake"????? Cheating is not a "Mistake"!!!
Do you think he would have "admitted" THAT mistake IF HE HADN'T BEEN CAUGHT ! ! ! ! |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | NJJ - 2014-10-01 9:47 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-10-01 9:32 AM TurnLane - 2014-10-01 8:31 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-10-01 8:21 AM IMO He and the owner both knew what was going on. They weren't happy with his futurity run time so wanted a re-do. He's got an American qualifier and I hope that's taken away from him. I would not want to see him punished for the American- he earned that spot on a great horse. He made a mistake, even if that mistake was to try and cheat. But he is an icon in our industry and I still respect all he has accpomplished.
Do you think he would have "admitted" THAT mistake IF HE HADN'T BEEN CAUGHT ! ! ! !
I am saying- if he made an error in judgement thinking he needed a run and wouldnt get caught muchless win---- that is a mistake. It is cheating. But by golly, I would defend you the same and I dont even know you but I would like to hope that there was more to the story vs saying lets ban you forever. Thats all. No medal to pin on his chest.  |
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| LRQHS - 2014-10-01 8:48 AM Just out of curiosity, how many horses did he actually run? I'm not sure how one would not know that they had already ran a particular horse.
Everone knows the top riders and horses, who has run, etc. Eyes everywhere and lots of people keeping track. Probably the same at the track, hard to hide what goes on.
Just to clarify, that was not my post from FB, I just copied and pasted. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | TurnLane - 2014-10-01 9:39 AM I just hate to see the lynch mob mentality- its not like he drugged his horse nor got caught with an illegal timer laser device. It truly could have been the utmost of errors. He has been around far too long to make this big of a mistake, IMO.
He does ride TONS of horses. Maybe like most men, he isnt great with all the registered names of his futurity horses that change every year? Or maybe, just maybe, his customer strong armed him?? I have NO idea. Just playing devils advocate. Maybe he wasnt aware that the owner paid the carry over for the futurity??
I dislike a cheater more than anyone- I just hope someone would give an icon in our sport the benefit of the doubt until we know the details.
I don't think he should be hung from the nearest tree by a lynch mob, however, let's call a spade a spade and stop trying to excuse or justify it. Dude needs to man up and own it, then move on and do better. People trying to smooth it over are making the situation worse because it deepens the mistrust. |
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Location: The edge of no where | TurnLane - 2014-10-01 9:39 AM I just hate to see the lynch mob mentality- its not like he drugged his horse nor got caught with an illegal timer laser device. It truly could have been the utmost of errors. He has been around far too long to make this big of a mistake, IMO.
He does ride TONS of horses. Maybe like most men, he isnt great with all the registered names of his futurity horses that change every year? Or maybe, just maybe, his customer strong armed him?? I have NO idea. Just playing devils advocate. Maybe he wasnt aware that the owner paid the carry over for the futurity??
I dislike a cheater more than anyone- I just hope someone would give an icon in our sport the benefit of the doubt until we know the details. ^Exactly.
Let's not lynch him without knowing both sides of the story. I do think that often owners do all the paperwork on entering futurity horses. His reputation has taken a serious blow over the last few days and they did have to give up a big fat check.... Can we let it go with that? Perhaps JL will invite him NOT to come back for a couple of years, but they're the only producer that should (if they feel it's justified) penalize him for what happened at their race.
Does anyone else think it's odd that if he was really trying to cheat the system that they didn't at least get the painted on futurity number off the horse? Either it's really really dumb, or there's more to it....idk
Personally - I dislike the carryover rule. I would prefer that if you hit a barrel in the first class, you have the option to run again. As far as horse sports, there is far less cheating that occurs in barrel racing than anything else. Let's not get too carried away screaming for more rules and regulations....be careful what you wish for.
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Do you think he would have "admitted" THAT mistake IF HE HADN'T BEEN CAUGHT ! ! ! !
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First, much to my dismay Troy has a well documented history of entering open races-even at futurities--with barn names. So no change in pattern here.
Second, EVERYONE KNOWS who he is and when you run an 8 the day before LOTS of people have good idea of who the horse is. So, entering with the plan to win the race isn't exactly low key. In fact, he's putting it out there for all to see. He knows people watch him, so he damn sure wasn't trying to hide anything. I think its funny that everyone is assuming that he thought that everyone who knew who the horse was wouldn't say anything.
Third, the horse still had the number on his butt. If he was trying to cheat and be all devisious, wouldn't someone who has been in the industry as long as he has thought to remove the number? It's not like he doesn't know its still there. Anyone who has futuritied knows what a pain in the butt it is to remove those things.
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Location: Oklahoma | MS2011 - 2014-10-01 9:56 AM TurnLane - 2014-10-01 9:39 AM I just hate to see the lynch mob mentality- its not like he drugged his horse nor got caught with an illegal timer laser device. It truly could have been the utmost of errors. He has been around far too long to make this big of a mistake, IMO.
He does ride TONS of horses. Maybe like most men, he isnt great with all the registered names of his futurity horses that change every year? Or maybe, just maybe, his customer strong armed him?? I have NO idea. Just playing devils advocate. Maybe he wasnt aware that the owner paid the carry over for the futurity??
I dislike a cheater more than anyone- I just hope someone would give an icon in our sport the benefit of the doubt until we know the details. ^Exactly.
Let's not lynch him without knowing both sides of the story. I do think that often owners do all the paperwork on entering futurity horses. His reputation has taken a serious blow over the last few days and they did have to give up a big fat check.... Can we let it go with that? Perhaps JL will invite him NOT to come back for a couple of years, but they're the only producer that should (if they feel it's justified) penalize him for what happened at their race.
Does anyone else think it's odd that if he was really trying to cheat the system that they didn't at least get the painted on futurity number off the horse? Either it's really really dumb, or there's more to it....idk
Personally - I dislike the carryover rule. I would prefer that if you hit a barrel in the first class, you have the option to run again. As far as horse sports, there is far less cheating that occurs in barrel racing than anything else. Let's not get too carried away screaming for more rules and regulations....be careful what you wish for.
Question (because I have c/o'ed a time before): I understand that you can carry over your time from different classes to "save the horse" from running again, but is it an option to run the horse twice? As in not bother with the carry over function and just enter twice? I know that he's in hot water because the horse was signed up to carry over, but would it have been legal to to run again had it not been signed up? |
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Location: The edge of no where | Longneck - 2014-10-01 10:11 AM MS2011 - 2014-10-01 9:56 AM TurnLane - 2014-10-01 9:39 AM I just hate to see the lynch mob mentality- its not like he drugged his horse nor got caught with an illegal timer laser device. It truly could have been the utmost of errors. He has been around far too long to make this big of a mistake, IMO.
He does ride TONS of horses. Maybe like most men, he isnt great with all the registered names of his futurity horses that change every year? Or maybe, just maybe, his customer strong armed him?? I have NO idea. Just playing devils advocate. Maybe he wasnt aware that the owner paid the carry over for the futurity??
I dislike a cheater more than anyone- I just hope someone would give an icon in our sport the benefit of the doubt until we know the details. ^Exactly.
Let's not lynch him without knowing both sides of the story. I do think that often owners do all the paperwork on entering futurity horses. His reputation has taken a serious blow over the last few days and they did have to give up a big fat check.... Can we let it go with that? Perhaps JL will invite him NOT to come back for a couple of years, but they're the only producer that should (if they feel it's justified) penalize him for what happened at their race.
Does anyone else think it's odd that if he was really trying to cheat the system that they didn't at least get the painted on futurity number off the horse? Either it's really really dumb, or there's more to it....idk
Personally - I dislike the carryover rule. I would prefer that if you hit a barrel in the first class, you have the option to run again. As far as horse sports, there is far less cheating that occurs in barrel racing than anything else. Let's not get too carried away screaming for more rules and regulations....be careful what you wish for.
Yes - the carryover option was from Round 2 of the futurity on Sat. Lots of futurity horses did NOT carry over because you had to physically make a run on Sunday to be eligible for future fortunes $$$$. |
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| I can see how mistakes happen, as futurity entries are usually requested months in advance, it would be easy for someone to forget especially if there was uncertainty.
It also depends if there was a program, and if the program showed the carried over horses, if so there was no possibility for this to be an innocent mistake, he could have looked up the registered horse in the program and seen if the horse was carried over.
There also is another way to look at it which only the rider could comment on, people say he wasn't happy with his first run, the client is paying for the entries anyway, so he decided to pay the entry fee take his chances on getting caught and re run the horse.
He got caught they took the money away from him, since he is a "famous" person, chances are nothing else will happen, as it will be hard to prove. The client yes doesn't get the money, but that time was recorded and videoed so there is proof the horse should have won the race, doubt they are too upset. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | mikesfleet - 2014-10-01 10:10 AM Wow this forum is the judge, jury, and executioner all in one nobody knows the story nobody here was there nobody has heard his side of the story it's like the micheal brown case in fergusson the media labeled the cop guilty then the facts started coming Troy is just a jockey when your in his shoes riding multiple horses and you have several different owners signing you up in different races mistakes happen he didn't run the horse twice on Sunday the other entry was a roll over from Saturday I guess everyone is tired of Troy winning everything I hope it was an honest mistake but who am I to judge we all know Troy doesn't have to cheat to win
I'd like to hear his side of the story. I think using the barn name is suspicious. Why use two different names on this horse? Obviously, the horse and rider are a great pair. Perhaps, this is something that is as easy as don't use barn names to enter your horses. Maybe, they should supply a copy of the registration papers to enter. I'm sure if it was an honest mistake, he won't make that one again. I think I would start crying if I lost that much money. |
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Location: Oklahoma | cheryl makofka - 2014-10-01 10:18 AM
I can see how mistakes happen, as futurity entries are usually requested months in advance, it would be easy for someone to forget especially if there was uncertainty.
It also depends if there was a program, and if the program showed the carried over horses, if so there was no possibility for this to be an innocent mistake, he could have looked up the registered horse in the program and seen if the horse was carried over.
There also is another way to look at it which only the rider could comment on, people say he wasn't happy with his first run, the client is paying for the entries anyway, so he decided to pay the entry fee take his chances on getting caught and re run the horse.
He got caught they took the money away from him, since he is a "famous" person, chances are nothing else will happen, as it will be hard to prove. The client yes doesn't get the money, but that time was recorded and videoed so there is proof the horse should have won the race, doubt they are too upset.
There was no catalog. I'd be inclined to think that since other futurity horses were physically making the run on Sunday for Future Fortunes, that he thought he could physically run the horse again and didn't know the owner had paid to carry his time over. I can see why he used a barn name....heck, I can't even remember the registered name of some of my new horses w/o seeing the papers, and I can't imagine having a whole new set every few months to run. Plus, if he was in the futurity, the papers were in the office and not where he could look at them. And as Cheryl said, futurity entries are made months in advance, it could be that he forgot this horse carried over, as he had to physically run the LC Packin Heat horse in the futurity AND the open, as he was Future Fortunes. This one was NOT Future Fortunes, so his time was carried over. It's very confusing, and I can see how he could have been confused with as many horses as he was jockeying. I am reminded of the scripture where it says that you can see the speck in your brother's eyes, but not the log in your own when I am reading this thread. I say shame on everyone for thinking the worst. This is just like the crucifixion of Taylor Jacobs when no one really knew the facts. It's easy to sit on the couch and judge....much harder to be in the real world and find out the FACTS. jmo |
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| fatchance - 2014-10-01 9:52 AM IMHO it's way past time for Lip Tattoo's. Even grade horses would need them to compete.
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Location: Depends where the next barrel race is..... | Why is everyone so quick to judge? I can totally see how it happened. Honestly, I think even if he entered with registered name, it wouldn't have been caught. As far as the payoff, those things happen. In the rodeo world, if the rodeo secretary makes a mistake, we have to pay it back. I look at it this way, it wasn't mine to begin with...... disappointed, yes. I don't know Troy, but I would bet he never intended for this headache to happen. How about giving the benefit of the doubt? For now, we can all learn from this. Double check forms (we had an owner not carry over and we thought she had and the horse would have won the open along with the Futurity). We always have confusion in the office with carryovers. Some run and think they had carried over or meant to. Some didn't want to carry over and thought they hadn't. It happens every race. |
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Location: rabbit run | dianeguinn - 2014-10-01 10:33 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-10-01 10:18 AM I can see how mistakes happen, as futurity entries are usually requested months in advance, it would be easy for someone to forget especially if there was uncertainty. It also depends if there was a program, and if the program showed the carried over horses, if so there was no possibility for this to be an innocent mistake, he could have looked up the registered horse in the program and seen if the horse was carried over. There also is another way to look at it which only the rider could comment on, people say he wasn't happy with his first run, the client is paying for the entries anyway, so he decided to pay the entry fee take his chances on getting caught and re run the horse. He got caught they took the money away from him, since he is a "famous" person, chances are nothing else will happen, as it will be hard to prove. The client yes doesn't get the money, but that time was recorded and videoed so there is proof the horse should have won the race, doubt they are too upset. There was no catalog. I'd be inclined to think that since other futurity horses were physically making the run on Sunday for Future Fortunes, that he thought he could physically run the horse again and didn't know the owner had paid to carry his time over. I can see why he used a barn name....heck, I can't even remember the registered name of some of my new horses w/o seeing the papers, and I can't imagine having a whole new set every few months to run. Plus, if he was in the futurity, the papers were in the office and not where he could look at them. And as Cheryl said, futurity entries are made months in advance, it could be that he forgot this horse carried over, as he had to physically run the LC Packin Heat horse in the futurity AND the open, as he was Future Fortunes. This one was NOT Future Fortunes, so his time was carried over. It's very confusing, and I can see how he could have been confused with as many horses as he was jockeying. I am reminded of the scripture where it says that you can see the speck in your brother's eyes, but not the log in your own when I am reading this thread. I say shame on everyone for thinking the worst. This is just like the crucifixion of Taylor Jacobs when no one really knew the facts. It's easy to sit on the couch and judge....much harder to be in the real world and find out the FACTS. jmo
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Location: Oklahoma | MS2011 - 2014-10-01 10:17 AM Longneck - 2014-10-01 10:11 AM MS2011 - 2014-10-01 9:56 AM TurnLane - 2014-10-01 9:39 AM I just hate to see the lynch mob mentality- its not like he drugged his horse nor got caught with an illegal timer laser device. It truly could have been the utmost of errors. He has been around far too long to make this big of a mistake, IMO.
He does ride TONS of horses. Maybe like most men, he isnt great with all the registered names of his futurity horses that change every year? Or maybe, just maybe, his customer strong armed him?? I have NO idea. Just playing devils advocate. Maybe he wasnt aware that the owner paid the carry over for the futurity??
I dislike a cheater more than anyone- I just hope someone would give an icon in our sport the benefit of the doubt until we know the details. ^Exactly.
Let's not lynch him without knowing both sides of the story. I do think that often owners do all the paperwork on entering futurity horses. His reputation has taken a serious blow over the last few days and they did have to give up a big fat check.... Can we let it go with that? Perhaps JL will invite him NOT to come back for a couple of years, but they're the only producer that should (if they feel it's justified) penalize him for what happened at their race.
Does anyone else think it's odd that if he was really trying to cheat the system that they didn't at least get the painted on futurity number off the horse? Either it's really really dumb, or there's more to it....idk
Personally - I dislike the carryover rule. I would prefer that if you hit a barrel in the first class, you have the option to run again. As far as horse sports, there is far less cheating that occurs in barrel racing than anything else. Let's not get too carried away screaming for more rules and regulations....be careful what you wish for.
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Location: Washington | Whiteboy - 2014-10-01 8:36 AM fatchance - 2014-10-01 9:52 AM IMHO it's way past time for Lip Tattoo's. Even grade horses would need them to compete. It was just a few months ago that a TB mare ran in a QH race on the track. They were supposed to verify papers and lip tattoos. "Mistakes" will still happen whenever we are dealing with people and money.
That was a mistake? LOL Okay then. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Perhaps, someone would have caught it sooner had he used the same name. That's why I say use registration names. That's all I'm saying. I'm not judging at all. Just trying to understand the story and asking questions. I think losing that money after winning it was a tough enough blow. I would have cried. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | fatchance - 2014-10-01 10:40 AM Whiteboy - 2014-10-01 8:36 AM fatchance - 2014-10-01 9:52 AM IMHO it's way past time for Lip Tattoo's. Even grade horses would need them to compete. It was just a few months ago that a TB mare ran in a QH race on the track. They were supposed to verify papers and lip tattoos. "Mistakes" will still happen whenever we are dealing with people and money.
If I remember correctly, they fired the tattoo checker. Am I right, Whiteboy? |
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Location: southeast Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2014-10-01 9:54 AM TurnLane - 2014-10-01 9:39 AM I just hate to see the lynch mob mentality- its not like he drugged his horse nor got caught with an illegal timer laser device. It truly could have been the utmost of errors. He has been around far too long to make this big of a mistake, IMO.
He does ride TONS of horses. Maybe like most men, he isnt great with all the registered names of his futurity horses that change every year? Or maybe, just maybe, his customer strong armed him?? I have NO idea. Just playing devils advocate. Maybe he wasnt aware that the owner paid the carry over for the futurity??
I dislike a cheater more than anyone- I just hope someone would give an icon in our sport the benefit of the doubt until we know the details. I don't think he should be hung from the nearest tree by a lynch mob, however, let's call a spade a spade and stop trying to excuse or justify it. Dude needs to man up and own it, then move on and do better. People trying to smooth it over are making the situation worse because it deepens the mistrust.
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| LRQHS - 2014-10-01 10:42 AM fatchance - 2014-10-01 10:40 AM Whiteboy - 2014-10-01 8:36 AM fatchance - 2014-10-01 9:52 AM IMHO it's way past time for Lip Tattoo's. Even grade horses would need them to compete. It was just a few months ago that a TB mare ran in a QH race on the track. They were supposed to verify papers and lip tattoos. "Mistakes" will still happen whenever we are dealing with people and money.
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Location: The edge of no where | Longneck - 2014-10-01 10:39 AM MS2011 - 2014-10-01 10:17 AM Longneck - 2014-10-01 10:11 AM MS2011 - 2014-10-01 9:56 AM TurnLane - 2014-10-01 9:39 AM I just hate to see the lynch mob mentality- its not like he drugged his horse nor got caught with an illegal timer laser device. It truly could have been the utmost of errors. He has been around far too long to make this big of a mistake, IMO.
He does ride TONS of horses. Maybe like most men, he isnt great with all the registered names of his futurity horses that change every year? Or maybe, just maybe, his customer strong armed him?? I have NO idea. Just playing devils advocate. Maybe he wasnt aware that the owner paid the carry over for the futurity??
I dislike a cheater more than anyone- I just hope someone would give an icon in our sport the benefit of the doubt until we know the details. ^Exactly.
Let's not lynch him without knowing both sides of the story. I do think that often owners do all the paperwork on entering futurity horses. His reputation has taken a serious blow over the last few days and they did have to give up a big fat check.... Can we let it go with that? Perhaps JL will invite him NOT to come back for a couple of years, but they're the only producer that should (if they feel it's justified) penalize him for what happened at their race.
Does anyone else think it's odd that if he was really trying to cheat the system that they didn't at least get the painted on futurity number off the horse? Either it's really really dumb, or there's more to it....idk
Personally - I dislike the carryover rule. I would prefer that if you hit a barrel in the first class, you have the option to run again. As far as horse sports, there is far less cheating that occurs in barrel racing than anything else. Let's not get too carried away screaming for more rules and regulations....be careful what you wish for.
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I never introduced myself because I could tell you had your game face on!
Thank you! I love it. You should've introduced yourself! I'd love to meet some board buddies in person! I thought it was a first class race that Jud put on, I'd never been and I learned SO much watching all week. Absolutely loved getting to watch some of the top riders anywhere run. |
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Location: Oklahoma | MS2011 - 2014-10-01 10:49 AM Longneck - 2014-10-01 10:39 AM MS2011 - 2014-10-01 10:17 AM Longneck - 2014-10-01 10:11 AM MS2011 - 2014-10-01 9:56 AM TurnLane - 2014-10-01 9:39 AM I just hate to see the lynch mob mentality- its not like he drugged his horse nor got caught with an illegal timer laser device. It truly could have been the utmost of errors. He has been around far too long to make this big of a mistake, IMO.
He does ride TONS of horses. Maybe like most men, he isnt great with all the registered names of his futurity horses that change every year? Or maybe, just maybe, his customer strong armed him?? I have NO idea. Just playing devils advocate. Maybe he wasnt aware that the owner paid the carry over for the futurity??
I dislike a cheater more than anyone- I just hope someone would give an icon in our sport the benefit of the doubt until we know the details. ^Exactly.
Let's not lynch him without knowing both sides of the story. I do think that often owners do all the paperwork on entering futurity horses. His reputation has taken a serious blow over the last few days and they did have to give up a big fat check.... Can we let it go with that? Perhaps JL will invite him NOT to come back for a couple of years, but they're the only producer that should (if they feel it's justified) penalize him for what happened at their race.
Does anyone else think it's odd that if he was really trying to cheat the system that they didn't at least get the painted on futurity number off the horse? Either it's really really dumb, or there's more to it....idk
Personally - I dislike the carryover rule. I would prefer that if you hit a barrel in the first class, you have the option to run again. As far as horse sports, there is far less cheating that occurs in barrel racing than anything else. Let's not get too carried away screaming for more rules and regulations....be careful what you wish for.
I wanted to tell you, I saw your saddle in person... and !!
I never introduced myself because I could tell you had your game face on! You should've introduced yourself! I'd love to meet some board buddies in person! I thought it was a first class race that Jud put on, I'd never been and I learned SO much watching all week. Absolutely loved getting to watch some of the top riders anywhere run.
It certainly was first class, can't wait to back next year!
Next time I see that saddle I will say hello! lol You were doing exhibitions and I know how important those are!
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| fatchance - 2014-10-01 10:40 AM Whiteboy - 2014-10-01 8:36 AM fatchance - 2014-10-01 9:52 AM IMHO it's way past time for Lip Tattoo's. Even grade horses would need them to compete. It was just a few months ago that a TB mare ran in a QH race on the track. They were supposed to verify papers and lip tattoos. "Mistakes" will still happen whenever we are dealing with people and money.
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Location: North Dakota | zipper - 2014-10-01 9:57 AM Let's stop and think about this
First, much to my dismay Troy has a well documented history of entering open races-even at futurities--with barn names. So no change in pattern here.
Second, EVERYONE KNOWS who he is and when you run an 8 the day before LOTS of people have good idea of who the horse is. So, entering with the plan to win the race isn't exactly low key. In fact, he's putting it out there for all to see. He knows people watch him, so he damn sure wasn't trying to hide anything. I think its funny that everyone is assuming that he thought that everyone who knew who the horse was wouldn't say anything.
Third, the horse still had the number on his butt. If he was trying to cheat and be all devisious, wouldn't someone who has been in the industry as long as he has thought to remove the number? It's not like he doesn't know its still there. Anyone who has futuritied knows what a pain in the butt it is to remove those things.
He said it was an honest mistake and I'm inclined to believe him.
Also futurity horses HAVE to be entered with their registered name if registered and months in advance. So running it with a registered name in the futurity and then barn name in the open is not a red flag to me. |
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Location: North Dakota | Lobo - 2014-10-01 11:21 AM You can cut him all the slack you want....but that rider/trainer has been in this business for many many years. He should know the rules of engagement backwards and forwards. Isn't he the one who should be advising the owner where, when and how their horse can and should be enteried? Novice owner or not...he's the expert.
I agree "ignorance of the law excuses no one" so yes he should be held accountable but I don't want to throw stones at him yelling "cheater! cheater!" and have him banned for life. I honestly think it was a mistake...a stupid one yes! But a mistake none the less. Maybe he had been stressed dealing with horses and people (we all know how stressful horse people can be! lol). I know I have done some stupid things because my head wasn't all there and I didn't take the time to think things through. |
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Location: Arkansas | Just Bring It - 2014-10-01 11:34 AM Lobo - 2014-10-01 11:21 AM You can cut him all the slack you want....but that rider/trainer has been in this business for many many years. He should know the rules of engagement backwards and forwards. Isn't he the one who should be advising the owner where, when and how their horse can and should be enteried? Novice owner or not...he's the expert.
I agree "ignorance of the law excuses no one" so yes he should be held accountable but I don't want to throw stones at him yelling "cheater! cheater!" and have him banned for life. I honestly think it was a mistake...a stupid one yes! But a mistake none the less. Maybe he had been stressed dealing with horses and people (we all know how stressful horse people can be! lol). I know I have done some stupid things because my head wasn't all there and I didn't take the time to think things through.
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I think there ought to be consequences for this sort of thing. Simply saying "aw shucks I made an honest mistake" shouldn't let him off the hook. I think the consequence or penalty ought to be proportional to the violation. This sort of thing is a detriment to barrel racing, IMO. Once I made a run out of turn by mistake. I thought my name was called, and we went flying in there. We had a real good run, but it was a "no time" because I screwed up. I was embarrased, to say the least, but I completely understood. That too was an honest mistake. |
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Location: North Dakota | Lobo - 2014-10-01 11:59 AM Just Bring It - 2014-10-01 11:34 AM Lobo - 2014-10-01 11:21 AM You can cut him all the slack you want....but that rider/trainer has been in this business for many many years. He should know the rules of engagement backwards and forwards. Isn't he the one who should be advising the owner where, when and how their horse can and should be enteried? Novice owner or not...he's the expert.
I agree "ignorance of the law excuses no one" so yes he should be held accountable but I don't want to throw stones at him yelling "cheater! cheater!" and have him banned for life. I honestly think it was a mistake...a stupid one yes! But a mistake none the less. Maybe he had been stressed dealing with horses and people (we all know how stressful horse people can be! lol). I know I have done some stupid things because my head wasn't all there and I didn't take the time to think things through.
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Location: North Dakota | HotbearLVR - 2014-10-01 12:01 PM If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.....
I think there ought to be consequences for this sort of thing. Simply saying "aw shucks I made an honest mistake" shouldn't let him off the hook. I think the consequence or penalty ought to be proportional to the violation. This sort of thing is a detriment to barrel racing, IMO. Once I made a run out of turn by mistake. I thought my name was called, and we went flying in there. We had a real good run, but it was a "no time" because I screwed up. I was embarrased, to say the least, but I completely understood. That too was an honest mistake.
Yes and he ended up recieving a no time. You were not banned for life and I don't feel he should be either. I do not feel intentially cheated. I think he should be reprimanded but not banned for life or thought of as a cheater because of this. |
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Location: BELLEVUE, IA | Griz - 2014-10-01 11:22 AM A little OT here but did people get their checks and go home and then they discovered this? How do they handle all that? People have to send the money back or what? And who caught all this? If they didn't catch it before the run, how did they catch it after (I've heard a video but why not call it out before hand)?
I was wondering this as well. Surely some people picked up their checks. I had originally won the 3d and was just waiting for my check in the mail. It would have been nice if someone from the race had contacted us and told us . |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | Whiteboy - 2014-10-01 11:06 AM fatchance - 2014-10-01 10:40 AM Whiteboy - 2014-10-01 8:36 AM fatchance - 2014-10-01 9:52 AM IMHO it's way past time for Lip Tattoo's. Even grade horses would need them to compete. It was just a few months ago that a TB mare ran in a QH race on the track. They were supposed to verify papers and lip tattoos. "Mistakes" will still happen whenever we are dealing with people and money.
Incompetent we all know he isn't...He wouldn't have the horses he has if he was... this isn't his first rodeo, Jud Little race nor FF race.
Mistake? hummmm he knows the rules
Heres where Im at...lol
I wasn't there, I wasn't entered but my friends were, One lost a big paycheck over this deal and while not a big deal to him Im sure, it is to her. Im more livid for her then she is! so no matter what happens what he says, unless he brings her that 2k+ check she thought she won and would have won if he had been legit I aint buyin it....
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Location: Deep South | dianeguinn - 2014-10-01 10:33 AM
cheryl makofka - 2014-10-01 10:18 AM
I can see how mistakes happen, as futurity entries are usually requested months in advance, it would be easy for someone to forget especially if there was uncertainty.
It also depends if there was a program, and if the program showed the carried over horses, if so there was no possibility for this to be an innocent mistake, he could have looked up the registered horse in the program and seen if the horse was carried over.
There also is another way to look at it which only the rider could comment on, people say he wasn't happy with his first run, the client is paying for the entries anyway, so he decided to pay the entry fee take his chances on getting caught and re run the horse.
He got caught they took the money away from him, since he is a "famous" person, chances are nothing else will happen, as it will be hard to prove. The client yes doesn't get the money, but that time was recorded and videoed so there is proof the horse should have won the race, doubt they are too upset.
There was no catalog. I'd be inclined to think that since other futurity horses were physically making the run on Sunday for Future Fortunes, that he thought he could physically run the horse again and didn't know the owner had paid to carry his time over. I can see why he used a barn name....heck, I can't even remember the registered name of some of my new horses w/o seeing the papers, and I can't imagine having a whole new set every few months to run. Plus, if he was in the futurity, the papers were in the office and not where he could look at them. And as Cheryl said, futurity entries are made months in advance, it could be that he forgot this horse carried over, as he had to physically run the LC Packin Heat horse in the futurity AND the open, as he was Future Fortunes. This one was NOT Future Fortunes, so his time was carried over. It's very confusing, and I can see how he could have been confused with as many horses as he was jockeying. I am reminded of the scripture where it says that you can see the speck in your brother's eyes, but not the log in your own when I am reading this thread. I say shame on everyone for thinking the worst. This is just like the crucifixion of Taylor Jacobs when no one really knew the facts. It's easy to sit on the couch and judge....much harder to be in the real world and find out the FACTS. jmo
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Location: BELLEVUE, IA | cindyt - 2014-10-01 12:13 PM Whiteboy - 2014-10-01 11:06 AM fatchance - 2014-10-01 10:40 AM Whiteboy - 2014-10-01 8:36 AM fatchance - 2014-10-01 9:52 AM IMHO it's way past time for Lip Tattoo's. Even grade horses would need them to compete. It was just a few months ago that a TB mare ran in a QH race on the track. They were supposed to verify papers and lip tattoos. "Mistakes" will still happen whenever we are dealing with people and money.
Mistake? hummmm he knows the rules
Heres where Im at...lol
I wasn't there, I wasn't entered but my friends were, One lost a big paycheck over this deal and while not a big deal to him Im sure, it is to her. Im more livid for her then she is! so no matter what happens what he says, unless he brings her that 2k+ check she thought she won and would have won if he had been legit I aint buyin it....
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | So has there been any word on how Jud is going to handle the payout since it seems some were paid already?
This is going to cause a lot of hard feelings. I feel nothing for Troy or the owner. I feel for all the people that it's going to affect.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I have a good idea...they should take all of Troy's winnings and pay the ones that ended up placing and then had their placings taken away. Sounds fair to me. |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | Nevertooold - 2014-10-01 12:43 PM I have a good idea...they should take all of Troy's winnings and pay the ones that ended up placing and then had their placings taken away. Sounds fair to me.
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | TOBY - 2014-10-01 12:35 PM cindyt - 2014-10-01 12:13 PM Whiteboy - 2014-10-01 11:06 AM fatchance - 2014-10-01 10:40 AM Whiteboy - 2014-10-01 8:36 AM fatchance - 2014-10-01 9:52 AM IMHO it's way past time for Lip Tattoo's. Even grade horses would need them to compete. It was just a few months ago that a TB mare ran in a QH race on the track. They were supposed to verify papers and lip tattoos. "Mistakes" will still happen whenever we are dealing with people and money.
Mistake? hummmm he knows the rules
Heres where Im at...lol
I wasn't there, I wasn't entered but my friends were, One lost a big paycheck over this deal and while not a big deal to him Im sure, it is to her. Im more livid for her then she is! so no matter what happens what he says, unless he brings her that 2k+ check she thought she won and would have won if he had been legit I aint buyin it....
IMMA ROAD TRIP TO FREAKIN OHIO IF I HAVTA!
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Location: North Dakota | Nevertooold - 2014-10-01 12:43 PM I have a good idea...they should take all of Troy's winnings and pay the ones that ended up placing and then had their placings taken away. Sounds fair to me.
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Location: Montana | Here's just a hypothetical question: what if Troy hadn't won on that horse? Would anyone have noticed or cared even if it would still have been "illegal"? I wasn't there so I don't know the whole story. I agree it is a mess...but even the little jackpots I go to have their screwups...I remember one this summer with about 35 entries is all...and it changed the whole 3D.
IMO, he should be reprimanded, perhaps a suspension from that particular barrel race for a certain amount of time (not for life by any means). IDK, I forgive too easy I guess. |
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| How many of you commenting actually saw the entry form. It was literally one of the most confusing entry forms I have ever tried to fill out. The futurity horses that ran on Saturday could carry their times over to Sunday's race. BUT not if they were in the Future Fortunes, then you had to actually run on Sunday. Then there were all the AQHA carryovers in to the Open. I'm sure trying the get it all sorted in the office had to be a nightmare as well. The more classes and carryovers you offer, the more confusing it gets.
What happenes to the people that already received and deposited their checks?? I know it's a lot of money, but you can't say 2 days later "Oops, there was a mistake, we need your $2,000 back". Granted I've done it at a much smaller scale, but when a payout was screwed up, we ate what was wrong and made right what should have been right regardless of whos screw up it was (office or contestant). Once results were posted and checks cut, we honored them and then tried to make it right if there was a mistake. |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | Heres the biggest picture, "this mess" added one name to the 1D list of winners, took his name out, (he won the whole chit and chabang, he was the fast time) this had what 600 entries and it now changed every winner from all the other D's.
So the 15 people (in each D) that thought they had a check coming and some of those were pretty hefty, now get nothing, because of him.
Im not buyin this "mistake" That's like Sherry Cervi entering twice in the same rodeo... seriously, if she runs in the slack sat she can't run sunday...
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | LRQHS - 2014-10-01 10:42 AM fatchance - 2014-10-01 10:40 AM Whiteboy - 2014-10-01 8:36 AM fatchance - 2014-10-01 9:52 AM IMHO it's way past time for Lip Tattoo's. Even grade horses would need them to compete. It was just a few months ago that a TB mare ran in a QH race on the track. They were supposed to verify papers and lip tattoos. "Mistakes" will still happen whenever we are dealing with people and money.
Similar situation happened in Louisiana a few years ago. WRONG horse gets brought to the paddock, identifier lets horse through. Horse gets claimed. New trainer figured out that it wasn't the horse that it was suppose to be...identifier fired and trainer got fined big bucks. |
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Location: ND | cindyt - 2014-10-01 1:59 PM Heres the biggest picture, "this mess" added one name to the 1D list of winners, took his name out, (he won the whole chit and chabang, he was the fast time) this had what 600 entries and it now changed every winner from all the other D's.
So the 15 people (in each D) that thought they had a check coming and some of those were pretty hefty, now get nothing, because of him.
Im not buyin this "mistake" That's like Sherry Cervi entering twice in the same rodeo... seriously, if she runs in the slack sat she can't run sunday... yeah....what a bitch to move up a spot......lol
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| cindyt - 2014-10-01 11:59 AM
Heres the biggest picture, "this mess" added one name to the 1D list of winners, took his name out, (he won the whole chit and chabang, he was the fast time) this had what 600 entries and it now changed every winner from all the other D's.
So the 15 people (in each D) that thought they had a check coming and some of those were pretty hefty, now get nothing, because of him.
Im not buyin this "mistake" That's like Sherry Cervi entering twice in the same rodeo... seriously, if she runs in the slack sat she can't run sunday...
Those people only thought they had a big check coming because it was posted by the office staff! Granted Troy screwed up, and I cut him no slack. You should know which horses you are competing on and what they have been entered in. But there's another side that had results posted for almost 2 days before they went "Oops" we found a mistake. Troy didn't post the results of the other winners and write the checks. |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | dhdqhllc - 2014-10-01 2:05 PM cindyt - 2014-10-01 1:59 PM Heres the biggest picture, "this mess" added one name to the 1D list of winners, took his name out, (he won the whole chit and chabang, he was the fast time) this had what 600 entries and it now changed every winner from all the other D's.
So the 15 people (in each D) that thought they had a check coming and some of those were pretty hefty, now get nothing, because of him.
Im not buyin this "mistake" That's like Sherry Cervi entering twice in the same rodeo... seriously, if she runs in the slack sat she can't run sunday... yeah....what a bitch to move up a spot......lol
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | 3 To Go - 2014-10-01 2:06 PM cindyt - 2014-10-01 11:59 AM Heres the biggest picture, "this mess" added one name to the 1D list of winners, took his name out, (he won the whole chit and chabang, he was the fast time) this had what 600 entries and it now changed every winner from all the other D's.
So the 15 people (in each D) that thought they had a check coming and some of those were pretty hefty, now get nothing, because of him.
Im not buyin this "mistake" That's like Sherry Cervi entering twice in the same rodeo... seriously, if she runs in the slack sat she can't run sunday... Those people only thought they had a big check coming because it was posted by the office staff! Granted Troy screwed up, and I cut him no slack. You should know which horses you are competing on and what they have been entered in. But there's another side that had results posted for almost 2 days before they went "Oops" we found a mistake. Troy didn't post the results of the other winners and write the checks.
When results are posted they usually aren't by the winner...lol
Im sure the Little crew had no clue he did what he did till someone figured it out
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| runs4fun - 2014-10-01 12:38 PM
It seems that the Registered Name would have to be used if it was a FF horse in order for them to know that the horse was one of theirs as they are enrolled under registered names. I wasn't there but just seeing all the comments about the way entries and roll overs etc. was done, it's giving me a headache! Sounds like a big ol' mess.
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Location: BELLEVUE, IA | And when did they figure it out ? I was one of the people who got bumped out and no one called me, texted me, emailed me that anything had changed that's the thing that bothers me most. Here I have been patiently waiting for my check and then to find out via social media seems wrong. I think that we deserved a call before this was let out of the bag. I feel so bad for those who got their checks if they are made to pay it back but I don't see how they would let some keep them and not pay out everyone else. Has anyone even seen a statement from any one at Judd Littles regarding any of this? |
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Location: Indiana | CindyT you have to be the st--- person. Your friend didn't win 2100 because she didn't run fast enough. Would you be mad if Troy run that same time and hit a barrel. you would be saying Troy owes my friend her money because he hit a barrel and am driving to OH to get my money.
Am sorry but if you cant run 1d and 6 horses 3 days in a row then shut up and sit down. It was a mistake and Troy or the owners needed to cheat to prove they have the best horse.
You people that think Troy did this to cheat are jealous and don't have anything better to do then point the finger. And the ones that want him Banned just think he wont be there to put you in the 3d next time so think about those apples. |
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I like to believe innocent until proven guilty. I mean, Troy has nothing to prove…It's hard for me to believe he would intentionally try and pull one over for this exact reason- people would find out and it would blow up.
I don't know for sure, but I can assume with all the horses he jockeys, things can get scrambled up big time. |
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| casualdust07 - 2014-10-01 6:08 PM I like to believe innocent until proven guilty. I mean, Troy has nothing to prove…It's hard for me to believe he would intentionally try and pull one over for this exact reason- people would find out and it would blow up. I don't know for sure, but I can assume with all the horses he jockeys, things can get scrambled up big time.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Dashoivy2 - 2014-10-01 5:19 PM CindyT you have to be the st--- person. Your friend didn't win 2100 because she didn't run fast enough. Would you be mad if Troy run that same time and hit a barrel. you would be saying Troy owes my friend her money because he hit a barrel and am driving to OH to get my money. Am sorry but if you cant run 1d and 6 horses 3 days in a row then shut up and sit down. It was a mistake and Troy or the owners needed to cheat to prove they have the best horse. You people that think Troy did this to cheat are jealous and don't have anything better to do then point the finger. And the ones that want him Banned just think he wont be there to put you in the 3d next time so think about those apples.
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | NJJ - 2014-10-01 6:34 PM
Dashoivy2 - 2014-10-01 5:19 PM CindyT you have to be the st--- person. Your friend didn't win 2100 because she didn't run fast enough. Would you be mad if Troy run that same time and hit a barrel. you would be saying Troy owes my friend her money because he hit a barrel and am driving to OH to get my money. Am sorry but if you cant run 1d and 6 horses 3 days in a row then shut up and sit down. It was a mistake and Troy or the owners needed to cheat to prove they have the best horse. You people that think Troy did this to cheat are jealous and don't have anything better to do then point the finger. And the ones that want him Banned just think he wont be there to put you in the 3d next time so think about those apples.
A Freudian slip? Perhaps you mean that they didn't need to cheat????
If he entered it legally and hit I wouldn't give a flying flip because she would have known where she placed... pull ur head out of ur azz ur missing one hell of a rodeo ivy |
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| NJJ - 2014-10-01 6:34 PM Dashoivy2 - 2014-10-01 5:19 PM CindyT you have to be the st--- person. Your friend didn't win 2100 because she didn't run fast enough. Would you be mad if Troy run that same time and hit a barrel. you would be saying Troy owes my friend her money because he hit a barrel and am driving to OH to get my money. Am sorry but if you cant run 1d and 6 horses 3 days in a row then shut up and sit down. It was a mistake and Troy or the owners needed to cheat to prove they have the best horse. You people that think Troy did this to cheat are jealous and don't have anything better to do then point the finger. And the ones that want him Banned just think he wont be there to put you in the 3d next time so think about those apples. A Freudian slip? Perhaps you mean that they didn't need to cheat????
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| cindyt - 2014-10-01 2:30 PM
dhdqhllc - 2014-10-01 2:05 PM cindyt - 2014-10-01 1:59 PM Heres the biggest picture, "this mess" added one name to the 1D list of winners, took his name out, (he won the whole chit and chabang, he was the fast time) this had what 600 entries and it now changed every winner from all the other D's.
So the 15 people (in each D) that thought they had a check coming and some of those were pretty hefty, now get nothing, because of him.
Im not buyin this "mistake" That's like Sherry Cervi entering twice in the same rodeo... seriously, if she runs in the slack sat she can't run sunday... yeah....what a bitch to move up a spot......lol ARE YOU SERIOUSLY THAT DUMB? YEA, IT BUMPED MY FRIEND FROM WINNING THE 3D AND 2100 BUCKS TO RUNNING BOTTOM 2D AND NO JACK... so yea, thats a beotch
Isnt that the name of the game??????? So your friend fell in the cracks... welcome to barrel racing.
Yes there are times I thank a good friend of mine for laying one down and sitting me perfect in the 2d/3d... but these people didnt know whether they were gonna pull a check when they entered.
Due to who actually won... that person didnt win the 3D... simple as that... Troy didnt ride your friends horse, he just happened to lay down a time that set you friend up nice for a check.... and he was dq'd.
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