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Location: USA | What do you do with a stall kicker? I have one and she's pregnant now (My dad's bright idea :( ) And she's constantly kicking the walls and she's like 3 months before she has the baby and she's on alfalfa hay now and she can't go back outside cause she wouldn't have any milk by the time the baby comes. Any ideas on how to stop her from kicking the walls? We even put up rubber mats that were thick and she put a hole through them too! |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | Kick chains for her. Plywood for the walls. |
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| RodeoRider97 - 2014-10-01 1:10 PM What do you do with a stall kicker? I have one and she's pregnant now (My dad's bright idea :( ) And she's constantly kicking the walls and she's like 3 months before she has the baby and she's on alfalfa hay now and she can't go back outside cause she wouldn't have any milk by the time the baby comes. Any ideas on how to stop her from kicking the walls? We even put up rubber mats that were thick and she put a hole through them too!
Bold is mine.
What does going outside have anything to do with her milk supply? She's probably going crazy being in a stall, not to mention how unhealthy constant stall confinement is for their gut health. Turn the poor horse out into a field. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Kicking chains. But why is she being kept in a stall?? |
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | SuckerForHorses - 2014-10-01 2:04 PM
RodeoRider97 - 2014-10-01 1:10 PM What do you do with a stall kicker? I have one and she's pregnant now (My dad's bright idea :( ) And she's constantly kicking the walls and she's like 3 months before she has the baby and she's on alfalfa hay now and she can't go back outside cause she wouldn't have any milk by the time the baby comes. Any ideas on how to stop her from kicking the walls? We even put up rubber mats that were thick and she put a hole through them too!
Bold is mine. What does going outside have anything to do with her milk supply? She's probably going crazy being in a stall, not to mention how unhealthy constant stall confinement is for their gut health. Turn the poor horse out into a field.
I also wonder what being outside in a pasture has to do with milk production / loss? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Now why would letting her out in pasture have any thing to do with her making milk? She needs to be out in pasture to build up muscle and move around, that sucks for her being cooped up like that. Shes bored that's why shes kicking so much. Babys are born out in pastures every day. |
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Location: USA | Yes, but she'd be eating fescue in the pasture and fescue would prevent her from having any milk, and she gets hand walked 15-30 minutes everyday, twice a day she even goes walking with me down the road in the mornings.
But it's not like this is the first time it has happened. Ever since we got her, (even the people before who had her since she was 1) she's been a stall kicker. And I'm getting really tired of replacing wood boards and I don't want to have to keep buying rubber mats either. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | RodeoRider97 - 2014-10-01 5:28 PM Yes, but she'd be eating fescue in the pasture and fescue would prevent her from having any milk, and she gets hand walked 15-30 minutes everyday, twice a day she even goes walking with me down the road in the mornings. But it's not like this is the first time it has happened. Ever since we got her, (even the people before who had her since she was 1) she's been a stall kicker. And I'm getting really tired of replacing wood boards and I don't want to have to keep buying rubber mats either.
Make a run on her stall so that she can go out and roll in the dirt. Are make her a good size pen out side and leave her out for awhile. |
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| All pastures in the southeast has a certain of fescue in it. When i bred my mare she was at the repo center for a while the repo vet tested his and i think his was like 15-20% and he did not plant any. i forgot what you can feed them to help. Or put her in a dry lot with baled hay, like a costal or timothy or a oat hay. You neeed to talk to your vet.
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Location: USA | Well see, there also lies a problem she doesn't like any closed areas and our run out she kicked about to all to pieces so we had to close it off. And our round-pen or arena even has some grass in it so we really can't put her anywhere. Is there anything we could do to put on her that would prevent her from kicking?? |
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| This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Its much healthier for her to be OUT of the stall, for multiple reasons. Figure it out.
Put her in a paddock, and feed her alfalfa hay.
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Location: Kentucky | RodeoRider97 - 2014-10-01 6:28 PM Yes, but she'd be eating fescue in the pasture and fescue would prevent her from having any milk, and she gets hand walked 15-30 minutes everyday, twice a day she even goes walking with me down the road in the mornings. But it's not like this is the first time it has happened. Ever since we got her, (even the people before who had her since she was 1) she's been a stall kicker. And I'm getting really tired of replacing wood boards and I don't want to have to keep buying rubber mats either.
Fescue causes them to have a red bag, it doesn't cause them to not produce milk.
I would throw hay in the round pen and let her stay in there. I won't have a horse destroying my barn. |
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| Murphy - 2014-10-02 8:14 AM
RodeoRider97 - 2014-10-01 6:28 PM Yes, but she'd be eating fescue in the pasture and fescue would prevent her from having any milk, and she gets hand walked 15-30 minutes everyday, twice a day she even goes walking with me down the road in the mornings. But it's not like this is the first time it has happened. Ever since we got her, (even the people before who had her since she was 1) she's been a stall kicker. And I'm getting really tired of replacing wood boards and I don't want to have to keep buying rubber mats either.
Fescue causes them to have a red bag, it doesn't cause them to not produce milk.
I would throw hay in the round pen and let her stay in there. I won't have a horse destroying my barn.
Exactly...eating fescue has nothing to do with milk production. Fescue can cause the placenta to be thickened which could prevent the foal from being able to break through the sack but it won't happen from eating fescue for a few days from a lot until its a dry lot. I'd do whatever it took to get her out of that stall. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | Used2B - 2014-10-02 8:53 AM Murphy - 2014-10-02 8:14 AM RodeoRider97 - 2014-10-01 6:28 PM Yes, but she'd be eating fescue in the pasture and fescue would prevent her from having any milk, and she gets hand walked 15-30 minutes everyday, twice a day she even goes walking with me down the road in the mornings. But it's not like this is the first time it has happened. Ever since we got her, (even the people before who had her since she was 1) she's been a stall kicker. And I'm getting really tired of replacing wood boards and I don't want to have to keep buying rubber mats either. Fescue causes them to have a red bag, it doesn't cause them to not produce milk.
I would throw hay in the round pen and let her stay in there. I won't have a horse destroying my barn. Exactly...eating fescue has nothing to do with milk production. Fescue can cause the placenta to be thickened which could prevent the foal from being able to break through the sack but it won't happen from eating fescue for a few days from a lot until its a dry lot. I'd do whatever it took to get her out of that stall.
Actually the thickening of the placenta happens in the last trimester, so if she is 3 weeks away from foaling, there is no way I would take the chance of putting her out on fescue. There has to be some way to let her have a run along with the stall so she can at least get some outside time. And if not, invest in some kicking chains or kicking shoes. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-10-02 9:25 AM Used2B - 2014-10-02 8:53 AM Murphy - 2014-10-02 8:14 AM RodeoRider97 - 2014-10-01 6:28 PM Yes, but she'd be eating fescue in the pasture and fescue would prevent her from having any milk, and she gets hand walked 15-30 minutes everyday, twice a day she even goes walking with me down the road in the mornings. But it's not like this is the first time it has happened. Ever since we got her, (even the people before who had her since she was 1) she's been a stall kicker. And I'm getting really tired of replacing wood boards and I don't want to have to keep buying rubber mats either. Fescue causes them to have a red bag, it doesn't cause them to not produce milk.
I would throw hay in the round pen and let her stay in there. I won't have a horse destroying my barn. Exactly...eating fescue has nothing to do with milk production. Fescue can cause the placenta to be thickened which could prevent the foal from being able to break through the sack but it won't happen from eating fescue for a few days from a lot until its a dry lot. I'd do whatever it took to get her out of that stall.
She's 3 months from foaling. Like the others had said, put her out in round pen or build her a pen. She doesn't want to be in that stall. |
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Location: Deep South | RodeoRider97 - 2014-10-02 8:10 AM Well see, there also lies a problem she doesn't like any closed areas and our run out she kicked about to all to pieces so we had to close it off. And our round-pen or arena even has some grass in it so we really can't put her anywhere. Is there anything we could do to put on her that would prevent her from kicking??
So disk up the grass.....
She's fat/fed up, hormonal, and umcomfortable from the being so preggers, and she can't even walk around. Poor baby. I'd be throwing a tantrum too.
You can keep making excuses, or you can find SOME way to make her situation better.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | You have gotton lots of great advice here. Get her out of that stall she needs the exercise to beable to have a healthy deliver, turn her out for a few hours a day. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | total performance - 2014-10-02 9:54 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-10-02 9:25 AM Used2B - 2014-10-02 8:53 AM Murphy - 2014-10-02 8:14 AM RodeoRider97 - 2014-10-01 6:28 PM Yes, but she'd be eating fescue in the pasture and fescue would prevent her from having any milk, and she gets hand walked 15-30 minutes everyday, twice a day she even goes walking with me down the road in the mornings. But it's not like this is the first time it has happened. Ever since we got her, (even the people before who had her since she was 1) she's been a stall kicker. And I'm getting really tired of replacing wood boards and I don't want to have to keep buying rubber mats either. Fescue causes them to have a red bag, it doesn't cause them to not produce milk.
I would throw hay in the round pen and let her stay in there. I won't have a horse destroying my barn. Exactly...eating fescue has nothing to do with milk production. Fescue can cause the placenta to be thickened which could prevent the foal from being able to break through the sack but it won't happen from eating fescue for a few days from a lot until its a dry lot. I'd do whatever it took to get her out of that stall.
Oops, I thought it said 3 weeks.. either way.. I wouldn't chance putting her out on fescue at this point! |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Things you need to think about PRIOR to breeding.
Yes mares need to be brought off fescue at some point. But it has nothing to do with milk. It's the "red bag". As stated above.
If you knew this, you should have made arrangements prior to even breeding her.
You need to figure out a way to get your mare turned out or you are going to have much bigger problems to worry about then just stall kicking. |
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| Used2B - 2014-10-02 8:53 AM Murphy - 2014-10-02 8:14 AM RodeoRider97 - 2014-10-01 6:28 PM Yes, but she'd be eating fescue in the pasture and fescue would prevent her from having any milk, and she gets hand walked 15-30 minutes everyday, twice a day she even goes walking with me down the road in the mornings. But it's not like this is the first time it has happened. Ever since we got her, (even the people before who had her since she was 1) she's been a stall kicker. And I'm getting really tired of replacing wood boards and I don't want to have to keep buying rubber mats either. Fescue causes them to have a red bag, it doesn't cause them to not produce milk.
I would throw hay in the round pen and let her stay in there. I won't have a horse destroying my barn. Exactly...eating fescue has nothing to do with milk production. Fescue can cause the placenta to be thickened which could prevent the foal from being able to break through the sack but it won't happen from eating fescue for a few days from a lot until its a dry lot. I'd do whatever it took to get her out of that stall.
Fescue CAN in fact cause agalactia...no milk production. |
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| here is a link for percentages of mares that were agalactic when on fescue
http://forages.oregonstate.edu/tallfescuemonograph/endophyte_horses/toxicosis/gravid_mares/agalactia
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| You will cause more delivery problems by this mare not getting enough regular exercise than the small amount of fescue she would possibly consume in the arena or round pen until it is gone. It is not fair to this mare to be stall kept other than a few minutes of hand walking a day. Figure it out, it's not that hard. |
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Location: USA | Ok, first off I'm not making excuses, secondly I didn't want her bred, I was still cometeting with her and she just got the barrels figured out and was making an easy 3-D time my father wanted to breed her. Don't know why, just one of his "Brilliant" ideas. and now, he's finally realizing that she's not the one to have bred. I didn't even like the stud, but his friend who owns the stud talked him into it. And I don't have a say. And I'm not allowed to work daddy's old tractor but I will to get her out today, and he also said he ain't going to put her out and use the tractor because it'll wash away all his dirt! Ugh! Our arena isn't the best and it runs off really bad not to just one corner but all the way out of the arena. We're putting in rail road ties at the end to keep the dirt from washing but with only a little rain it's already got the dirt half way on them. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | So when actually is this baby due? When you posted in September and said 3 months are you going to have a December baby?? |
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Location: Lost in the corn of Iowa. | If you were to keep her in a small pen of some sort, could you put another horse in there with her to give her a buddy until baby comes? Sounds like she's ticked because she can't get to her pasture mates. |
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Location: Wyoming | RodeoRider97 - 2014-10-02 11:31 AM
Ok, first off I'm not making excuses, secondly I didn't want her bred, I was still cometeting with her and she just got the barrels figured out and was making an easy 3-D time my father wanted to breed her. Don't know why, just one of his "Brilliant" ideas. and now, he's finally realizing that she's not the one to have bred. I didn't even like the stud, but his friend who owns the stud talked him into it. And I don't have a say. And I'm not allowed to work daddy's old tractor but I will to get her out today, and he also said he ain't going to put her out and use the tractor because it'll wash away all his dirt! Ugh! Our arena isn't the best and it runs off really bad not to just one corner but all the way out of the arena. We're putting in rail road ties at the end to keep the dirt from washing but with only a little rain it's already got the dirt half way on them.
I feel for you... I know what it's like to have a controlling hardheaded parent. I have a house on my grandparents place and I'm constantly butting heads with my grandpa while trying to make improvements for the horses. My only advice is to tell him for the mares physical and mental health she needs to be turned out on a dry lot with hay. After all it's only going to be temporary. Make sure to drive in the point that it's only for a few months! |
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| Put kick chains on her back legs and that should stop the stall kicking. I've used them and they are a very quick fix for pawing when used on the front feet and for kicking when used on the back ankles or when placed around the hocks. You can get them on-line at places like Jeffers or even on Amazon.com Be sure to get the kind that are fleece lined. |
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Location: USA | Yes the baby is due sometime early December- early January. I don't like them born that early but again...my dad but then on the brighter side of that I can start riding her again March/April.
And she's already a sassy/moody type of mare and with the hormones it just magnifies it 10X and even when she's not pregnant she still kicks the walls. But I'll have to check that out about the kicking chains, thank you :) |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | You can make the kicking chains pretty cheap. I just buy nylon dog collars and some heavy chain. Attached chain to dog collar and there you have it. |
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