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Location: MN | If anyone has ideas, I appreciate it. I bought a horse a couple months ago from down south (not sure that matters) but the son of a gun will NOT slow down after a run!! We literally got into a wreck to weeks ago where he was looking to run out of the arena, well up here in MN at this show the gate was closed behind me and he wouldn't slow down AT ALL, and I am not new at this!! He started to look for the gate then darted left, then right, and I was thrown into the gate, and got a concussion, this was at full speed. No bit I use seems to help. I did order a mule bit, but it seems in humane. Any ideas? He is a 1D horse, but I'm not sure if he's in pain or what? |
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| Some horses are more used to running out an open gate as opposed to closed so there may be a bit of an adjustment period. Does he do this to you if you slow work at home at all? I really hate to get a stronger bit or to discourage them from running home but dangerous is never good I hope you are feeling better! What I have found to work is going at a closed gate at home or competition turn them before the gate (after the time obviously) but always turn them the same side and they will usually pick up on it. Maybe at home if you can set up a pattern and trot and lope through it and keep the same speed heading home and turn him a direction and use that as your side to turn when running at a closed gate. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | You aren't strong enough to stop a horse that's running off...no matter what bit you have in it's mouth. Look for a pain issue or send him down the road. Those rarely get better. |
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Location: Midland, MI | You definitely need more control at high speeds. You should totally be able to turn him before the fence and slow down with a circle. Might be something to practice on at home a little, get your whip out and if you have a big field open him up and then make him do a big circle, if he won't turn slap him on his outside neck or shoulder with the whip and moderately pull to the side. Don't crank on his face because you both could fall over and get real hurt. And don't reef but just little tugs and talk to him. And when he does make a circle, keep making them smaller and smaller and slow him right down to a lope and trot and then walk off. |
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Location: BFE | I know you said do not respond if its about taking horse to Vet BUT I had a horse that did this and he was sore in the hocks Bad!! That's why he did not want to stop at end of run!! |
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| Down south we don't ever run on a closed gate, is he lost looking for the alley since he is used to running out an alley? That said, he should still listen to you and your cues to slow done and stop. |
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| I'd go back to the basics with this horse and get a good "WHOA" before you put back any "GO." Around here there are NO open gates and I've seen several wrecks running into a closed gate. |
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Location: MN | He is an older horse so I started him on 1/4 pill of prevocox sp? a day, I will inject him in the spring, but even when he has run out of the gate he doesn't want to stop, and the other lady was right, no amount of muscle or strength will stop a horse if he doesn't want to, I have always tried to pull him to the left afterward, on the day of my wreck, someone said I wasn't sitting down in the seat asking him to stop, well I'm sorry but when it got to the point of him running away, my seat was the last thing on my mind!! I would try the open field, but again not sure he would stop, I might have to practice in the closed pen at home as long as I can before snow, then get him injected |
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Location: MN | rodeomom3 - 2014-10-13 8:36 PM
Down south we don't ever run on a closed gate, is he lost looking for the alley since he is used to running out an alley? That said, he should still listen to you and your cues to slow done and stop.
He was definitely looking for the out gate the day I fell off, I mean there was no holding on, I knew he had a problem, (slight) before I got him but this was such a big pen, he got going as fast as he everhas, my other horse, I use my pinky and he shuts down |
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Location: Online | Others have said to turn off... Absolutely NOT! If you want to pancake going around the corner, go for it. I've seen way more people get hurt turning off than going straight into the fence. If nothing else, if you have a closed gate, angle him to the corner, that will give him a little more room, but don't let him make a hard turn to stop.
I had a horse off the track that I started on the pattern that wouldn't stop. Not even at a high lope. I wasn't going to inject him into some unsuspecting buyer and get them hurt. I flunked him, sent him packing. He made the most beautiful 3/4 speed runs, but no stop is no stop. No amount of schooling, bigger bridles, or vet visits were going to make him stop. |
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| DO you use a tie down? I had one that would stop great with a tie down, even if it was fairly loose, but would run off with out one. |
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Location: EDGE OF INSANITY | Wish i could help! I have the opposite problem lol, don't even think about relaxing or my horse is more than happy to stop-mid pattern whatever, he doesnt care. He's VERY happy to do as little as possible (except eat, that's where he puts 100% effort in  ). I did have a horse about 10 years ago though that didn't like to stop, she turned out to have kissing spine. Good luck |
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| I have NEVER had this to not be caused by a lameness problem. |
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Location: Up and over to the right | I teach my horses that when we stop, he backs 2 steps. Gets him to think (with time) that stopping means STOP NOW and back your butt up just a few steps. It helps my guy get off his forehand and will help us with a little roping down the road. I'd have him checked out first but if it's really in his head, change your routine and get out of the pen for a while. |
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Location: South Dakota | Does he grab the bit in his mouth? I'm not sure what all bits you've tried but I used to have a horse that would grab the bit and take off on me and I couldn't stop him for anything. I finally tried a bit that was a chain mouthpiece with a noseband. He never ran off with me with that bit. |
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| snoopy - 2014-10-14 7:23 AM
He is an older horse so I started him on 1/4 pill of prevocox sp? a day, I will inject him in the spring, but even when he has run out of the gate he doesn't want to stop, and the other lady was right, no amount of muscle or strength will stop a horse if he doesn't want to, I have always tried to pull him to the left afterward, on the day of my wreck, someone said I wasn't sitting down in the seat asking him to stop, well I'm sorry but when it got to the point of him running away, my seat was the last thing on my mind!! I would try the open field, but again not sure he would stop, I might have to practice in the closed pen at home as long as I can before snow, then get him injected
Why do you want to continually work the horse at home prior to injections?
This is backwards thinking, if the pain, inflammation is already there it is just going to make things worse.
Get the horse injected then work on closed gate at home. |
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Location: MN | cheryl makofka - 2014-10-14 10:10 AM
snoopy - 2014-10-14 7:23 AM
He is an older horse so I started him on 1/4 pill of prevocox sp? a day, I will inject him in the spring, but even when he has run out of the gate he doesn't want to stop, and the other lady was right, no amount of muscle or strength will stop a horse if he doesn't want to, I have always tried to pull him to the left afterward, on the day of my wreck, someone said I wasn't sitting down in the seat asking him to stop, well I'm sorry but when it got to the point of him running away, my seat was the last thing on my mind!! I would try the open field, but again not sure he would stop, I might have to practice in the closed pen at home as long as I can before snow, then get him injected
Why do you want to continually work the horse at home prior to injections?
This is backwards thinking, if the pain, inflammation is already there it is just going to make things worse.
Get the horse injected then work on closed gate at home.
My thinking was that the prevocox would help with any pain he may have temporarily till I do get him injected. Didn't know if I wanted to get him injected this time of year. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | The only time I run to a closed gate is a open world once a year. So that may have something to do with it. If he's not used to stopping at a gate. Mine doesn't stop at the end but I can pull him into a circle and get him slowed down. |
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| I'm glad you are okay. Horses that don't stop are very dangerous.
I have two thoughts. First, try to get in the pen before hand and show him where to run out and where to stop. He could have been confused and not used to running to a closed gate. I like to do this on all my young horses. I start from where the third barrel and then trot or slow lope out of the pen and then stop. Once or twice is enough and you don't need to make a hot spot out of it. They'll remember.
My second suggestion is to have him checked by a vet. Every horse I've had that starts running out of the pen and won't stop has been really sore.
Good luck and hope you get him figured out!
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| I had this exact same problem with a horse I bought recently. She would kick into another high powered gear coming home that would scare the living heck out of you and I really was scared for my life. There was no stopping her either. It turns out that her teeth were horrible and on top of that she had terrible ulcers. Once I got those both straightend out and healed and she started to trust that it wasn't going to hurt anymore she started to listen to me and now she stops easily. I never even think about it coming home anymore. It was a pain issue and I think she was just running from the pain. |
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Location: North Dakota | snoopy - 2014-10-14 10:22 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-10-14 10:10 AM snoopy - 2014-10-14 7:23 AM He is an older horse so I started him on 1/4 pill of prevocox sp? a day, I will inject him in the spring, but even when he has run out of the gate he doesn't want to stop, and the other lady was right, no amount of muscle or strength will stop a horse if he doesn't want to, I have always tried to pull him to the left afterward, on the day of my wreck, someone said I wasn't sitting down in the seat asking him to stop, well I'm sorry but when it got to the point of him running away, my seat was the last thing on my mind!! I would try the open field, but again not sure he would stop, I might have to practice in the closed pen at home as long as I can before snow, then get him injected Why do you want to continually work the horse at home prior to injections? This is backwards thinking, if the pain, inflammation is already there it is just going to make things worse. Get the horse injected then work on closed gate at home. My thinking was that the prevocox would help with any pain he may have temporarily till I do get him injected. Didn't know if I wanted to get him injected this time of year.
Then don't work on the barrels until you can get him pain-free.
Have you ONLY given him 1/4 pill of previcox each day (57 mg)? If so, you aren't dosing it right. You need to give a loading dose of three 57 mg (or 3/4 tablet of the larger 227 mg tablets) for the first day, and then 57 mg a day after that. If you miss a day, you have to give the loading dose again.
But if you aren't willing to take this horse in for a complete lameness eval at this time of the year, then don't run barrels until you do. It's not fair to the horse.
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Location: MN | bluedogkali - 2014-10-14 11:15 AM
I had this exact same problem with a horse I bought recently. She would kick into another high powered gear coming home that would scare the living heck out of you and I really was scared for my life. There was no stopping her either. It turns out that her teeth were horrible and on top of that she had terrible ulcers. Once I got those both straightend out and healed and she started to trust that it wasn't going to hurt anymore she started to listen to me and now she stops easily. I never even think about it coming home anymore. It was a pain issue and I think she was just running from the pain.
I did recently get his teeth done, but have not had him checked for ulcers. I may get him scoped. |
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| Dont spend your money on getting scoped, the moneynthat cost will buyna months worth of compounded omeprizole. Same out come. Either way. Do thenomperizole and start on previcox. Bet u have a different horse. |
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| there is a woman now but when she was a girl her horse would not stop she has won countless rodeo and showsbut not me
i don/t know but i would not make a hard right or left thats asking for trouble |
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HELP! Horse won't stop!!