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Location: Oklahoma | I am looking into buying this horse she is a 1D outside and a 2D sometimes 1D inside she is an awesome horse she is almost automatic . You can put a kid on her and she will run either fast or she will slow down for them. She is only 13 years old anyone can ride her she isn't a nervous horse . She will not run past a barrel I have tried her she is a push style horse. They are asking $45,000.00 for her what do you think ? |
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Location: Texas! | Sounds reasonable for a true 1/2D |
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Location: Bastrop, TX | I personally don't think that someone who has $45,000 to spend on a horse is going to ask for opinions on here.
But if you are really serious
1. How many times have you seen this horse run with adults and kids?
2.vet check vet check vet check.
3. Research... do alot of it. |
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Location: Kansas | HOLY COW!!! If that mare is priced at $45,000 for running 1D/2D, then I need to price my mare higher than $6,000!! Holy cow that is alot of money. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I do have the money that isn't a problem. I have seen the mare compete numerous times she has run pro on her the lady that owns her has gotten hurt and is selling all of her horses and her land and trailer she is getting out of it she got hurt really bad.
I have also seen her let children compete on her at some 4-d some of you probably know her she is pretty well know and yes this horse has been vet checked . She has several horses for sale but she isn't advertising them she doesn't have to she use to never sell a horse they use to be hers for her only for her to compete on.
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Location: Northeast SD | Personally I think thats quite a bit for a 13 yr old. Good chance that you'll have to be injecting her (if not already) in the next few years so there's added $$ and how long will it stay a 1D-2D horse with it being ran alot at age of 13. But thats just my opinion, to each their own. |
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Location: In a happy place | I am no help. I think you ought to do what makes you happy. I would definately insure her for that price. I don't know who would be best to insure her with. I could not be comfortable with spending that much on one but there again I am not you. It sounds like she could sure be worth that much though.
Edited to say if you insure her I sure would be asking the insurance people if anything happened to her what hoops do you have to jump through to get your money. Every company requires different things.
Edited by sorrel horse ranch 2014-10-16 11:28 AM
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Location: So. Cali. | If you want everyones honest opinions, I'll share mine....
$45K should be a solid 1D Proven/Rodeo/Jackpot no quirks, None - to very limited maintenance, 100% sound, check every time you head down the alleyway, barrel horse.
Unless you're hitting the road for the big races, chances are that horse will not pay for itself in the long run.
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | you got the money to buy her and you like her...then go for it.....(and imo ALL horses need some form of maintenance) so her age wouldn't be any deterant..............and i have seen good prospect up here go for that......so i dont think its to much money............would be nice to know how she is bred.......good luck
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Location: Texas | I think 45,000 is high, IMO. I have had horses fit that description, except maybe reversed and 1D inside 2D outside.. will go whatever speed of rider.. didn't get near that money for them. but they were 1D at the local 100-200 horse level, not the 500 horse race level.
If they are 1D at a BIG race indoors, like with 500-1000 runners, then I can TOTALLY see that, if not even more money for it. But if it's 1D at a local jackpot with 100 runners… nah. |
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| If I was spending that much, personally I would find something younger. (7-11) But on the other hand, the horses you can trust with kids AND be competitive are worth their weight in gold, even though she's a little older. Not that 13 is "old" by any means. But time flies... |
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Location: North Dakota | Because I like to barter, I would offer $30k, you might get a heck of a deal. You've dealt with the horse and watched it compete, IMO even around my neck of the woods $45k for a true 1D outside horse, is probably what the going rate would be if they were to sell. My point, if you are 1D in OK, you should be able to at least move to ND and win everything you enter!! :) |
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| I am horse shopping, was priced a 10 year old mare that fits exact description, will run slow of fast, solid, sound, easy to be around. She is being sold by a friend I trust and have known for years and she is 20K, maybe would be a little higher price to someone else. She is a good buy at 20K but I don't need more horse power than I can ride.
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Location: WI | Three*C*Champs - 2014-10-16 11:36 AM If you want everyones honest opinions, I'll share mine....
$45K should be a solid 1D Proven/Rodeo/Jackpot no quirks, None - to very limited maintenance, 100% sound, check every time you head down the alleyway, barrel horse.
Unless you're hitting the road for the big races, chances are that horse will not pay for itself in the long run.
There's not a horse in the world that is 100% sound and wins a check every time they go down the alley. And if there were, I would enter all the biggest rodeos and it wouln't take very many checks to reach 45k!! Oh, and no vet bills?!? That is a steal at $45k!!
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Location: Online | casualdust07 - 2014-10-16 10:42 AM I think 45,000 is high, IMO. I have had horses fit that description, except maybe reversed and 1D inside 2D outside.. will go whatever speed of rider.. didn't get near that money for them. but they were 1D at the local 100-200 horse level, not the 500 horse race level. If they are 1D at a BIG race indoors, like with 500-1000 runners, then I can TOTALLY see that, if not even more money for it. But if it's 1D at a local jackpot with 100 runners… nah.
I don't agree with that. It doesn't matter if there is 500-1000 horses or 20 horses. What matters is what caliber of horses are you running against? I have been to barrel races where there were over 300 horses, none of which can run in the 1D against true 1D horses and I've been to some with 40 horses, a handful of them have been to the NFR.
Anybody can run in the 1D, and claim their horse is 1D. But who are you running against? |
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Location: So. Cali. | linds - 2014-10-16 11:02 AM Three*C*Champs - 2014-10-16 11:36 AM If you want everyones honest opinions, I'll share mine....
$45K should be a solid 1D Proven/Rodeo/Jackpot no quirks, None - to very limited maintenance, 100% sound, check every time you head down the alleyway, barrel horse.
Unless you're hitting the road for the big races, chances are that horse will not pay for itself in the long run.
There's not a horse in the world that is 100% sound and wins a check every time they go down the alley. And if there were, I would enter all the biggest rodeos and it wouln't take very many checks to reach 45k!! Oh, and no vet bills?!? That is a steal at $45k!!
It's a personal opinion, as asked for. Yes, I'm cheap and dont generally go buy finsihed big dollar horses. I know people who do, thats their prerogative as is it mine to not. I see $45K as being a nice reliable truck, a trailer, down payment on a house, acouple nice prospects, etc. I'm in no way shape or form against someone spending that kind of money on a finished barrel horse, especially if you click with the horse. Would I, no, unless as stated above, which you're right, probably not likely to find a horse to match that descripition.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I think it's high, but if you can afford it and want her bad enough then do it. YOLO! |
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| I find it funny that discussions by some of the same people a year ago were saying a true 1d horse you are looking at 6 figures.
If you can afford the price, and you know the horses history, I say go for it.
The age has pros and cons, pros the horse is solid and be very difficult to blow up, most blow up derby or maturity year IMO.
Yes you may have maintenance issues later on, but if you have the money to buy her I am guessing you have the money for maintenance. Get a good vet who is knowledgable on the current treatments she will probably last you 6-7 yrs.
If she is a good rodeo horse with good bloodlines, you could make some of your money back by flushing embryos
Good luck, have fun |
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Location: Online | cheryl makofka - 2014-10-16 1:38 PM I find it funny that discussions by some of the same people a year ago were saying a true 1d horse you are looking at 6 figures. If you can afford the price, and you know the horses history, I say go for it. The age has pros and cons, pros the horse is solid and be very difficult to blow up, most blow up derby or maturity year IMO. Yes you may have maintenance issues later on, but if you have the money to buy her I am guessing you have the money for maintenance. Get a good vet who is knowledgable on the current treatments she will probably last you 6-7 yrs. If she is a good rodeo horse with good bloodlines, you could make some of your money back by flushing embryos Good luck, have fun
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | cheryl makofka - 2014-10-16 2:38 PM I find it funny that discussions by some of the same people a year ago were saying a true 1d horse you are looking at 6 figures. If you can afford the price, and you know the horses history, I say go for it. The age has pros and cons, pros the horse is solid and be very difficult to blow up, most blow up derby or maturity year IMO. Yes you may have maintenance issues later on, but if you have the money to buy her I am guessing you have the money for maintenance. Get a good vet who is knowledgable on the current treatments she will probably last you 6-7 yrs. If she is a good rodeo horse with good bloodlines, you could make some of your money back by flushing embryos Good luck, have fun
You didn't hear that from me lol....I'm cheap. |
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Location: East Texas | A horse like that in my area will bring $25K
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| for 45,000 I'd expect some standings in very large rodeos... PROVEN PROVEN PROVEN. 1d MONEY at the largest shows around. |
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Location: western Nebraska | For those of you saying that for $45k you should place at big rodeos I say go try to buy a horse winning at the big rodeos. They are more like 150-250K. There are very few really good horses and they are not cheap to buy. 45K doesn't even pay the seasoning bill on a really good horse.
I know you can get lucky but for a true blue honest 1d horse that can win at big rodoes or big barrel races that won't scratch the surface. |
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| doglady - 2014-10-16 7:59 PM For those of you saying that for $45k you should place at big rodeos I say go try to buy a horse winning at the big rodeos. They are more like 150-250K. There are very few really good horses and they are not cheap to buy. 45K doesn't even pay the seasoning bill on a really good horse.
I know you can get lucky but for a true blue honest 1d horse that can win at big rodoes or big barrel races that won't scratch the surface.
That is kind of what I was thinking! $45,000 for a solid and automatic 1D horse...seems inexpensive.
I guess it also goes back to the definition of a 1D horse, but when I see SOLID 1D I am thinking against pretty good competition. If the horse's results back it up, $45,000.00 seems fair to me. |
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| Also, just to put some more facts/figures out there...
My old horse was put up for sale for $45,000.00.
He placed 8th at NBHA Youth World in the finals, qualified for the BOTB, ran 2 or 3 tenths ( can't rember which it was) off of Mulberry Canyon Moon, and was the reserve champion at Colonial Nationals.
He has other creditials, but didn't really come on like this until recently. I talked with my trainer about it, and he said he needs a little bit more solid creditials to back it up, but that he seemed to be coming on nicely. Not sure if that really gives you anything to go off of.
ETA: Mulberry Canjon Moon had ran a 15.466, but the winning time was a 15.202, and my old horse had ran a 15.541.
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Location: Online | A horse is worth what someone will pay for it. I've seen 2D-3D specials sell for $20,000. Just because the seller had a big name or a big mouth. People have a tendency to lie (clutching chest and gasping) or just tell half truths.
I know people who bought a run off barrel crasher for $40,000 because it was trained by Lance Graves at some point. Never won a dime on it. |
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Location: Texas | rodeomom13 - 2014-10-16 2:00 PM
casualdust07 - 2014-10-16 10:42 AM I think 45,000 is high, IMO. I have had horses fit that description, except maybe reversed and 1D inside 2D outside.. will go whatever speed of rider.. didn't get near that money for them. but they were 1D at the local 100-200 horse level, not the 500 horse race level. If they are 1D at a BIG race indoors, like with 500-1000 runners, then I can TOTALLY see that, if not even more money for it. But if it's 1D at a local jackpot with 100 runners… nah.
I don't agree with that. It doesn't matter if there is 500-1000 horses or 20 horses. What matters is what caliber of horses are you running against? I have been to barrel races where there were over 300 horses, none of which can run in the 1D against true 1D horses and I've been to some with 40 horses, a handful of them have been to the NFR.
Anybody can run in the 1D, and claim their horse is 1D. But who are you running against?
That's true, because I've been to small jackpots with a bunch of tough horses in it. But as a whole, on the grand scheme of things, a horse with a 1D record running at races like ANHA, big BBR races, Diamonds and Dirt, etc, will have a more impressive record than a horse who runs a local circuit and wins there. I think the key part that we both agree on, is you have to show proof of who you are running against. If you can prove it, you can price it accordingly.
I went to a jackpot in Elgin in June and ran against Tammy Fischer, Lisa Nicholas, and a whole bunch of other people… it wasn't a big race at all. I think it had 150 entered? Maybe? As long as they post the results with the rider and horse name, you can validate where you placed and the company you were with. |
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| If she fits you good, is capable of helping you achieve your goals as a barrel racer, and money isn't an issue- then just trust your gut and go for it. It takes a lot of money, hauling, frustration, tears, etc. to get one to that level of competition and when they finally get to that point- those horses are worth their weight in gold. There has probably been more than $45k poured in to this mare in her lifetime between hauling, fees, vet bills, training, etc.
There are going to be people that say it's crazy to spend that much on a horse but do what is best for you and your situation. A young broke college kid will give much difference advice than a retired grandma wanting to enjoy the golden years so just do what is best for you. |
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Location: Somewhere up North | If you like her and your money situation is not a problem then it doesn't matter what any of us think.....buy her!
If I were in your situation, I would be asking myself some serious questions.......such as: Am I the right fit for this horse? Do I have the abilities to get and keep her at her best? What do I expect to accomplish once I buy her? Would I haul her to the big shows or would I run her locally or both? Do I just want to be competitive everywhere I go or do I expect to win? Do I think I can win enough to get back what I paid for in the purchase price? What if something happened? (i.e. she doesn't work for me like she did her previous owner), If I needed to sell her, would I ever be able monetarily get back out of her what I spend and put into her once I buy her? Does any of this really matter/
Best of luck but please do some soul searching before you make the final decision.
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Location: Michigan | buckeye4u - 2014-10-17 7:07 AM
If you like her and your money situation is not a problem then it doesn't matter what any of us think.....buy her!
If I were in your situation, I would be asking myself some serious questions.......such as: Am I the right fit for this horse? Do I have the abilities to get and keep her at her best? What do I expect to accomplish once I buy her? Would I haul her to the big shows or would I run her locally or both? Do I just want to be competitive everywhere I go or do I expect to win? Do I think I can win enough to get back what I paid for in the purchase price? What if something happened? (i.e. she doesn't work for me like she did her previous owner), If I needed to sell her, would I ever be able monetarily get back out of her what I spend and put into her once I buy her? Does any of this really matter/
Best of luck but please do some soul searching before you make the final decision.
This is more along the idea of my thinking. If I was going to pay big $ I would want a good bit of saddle time on the horse and a couple runs to make sure we are a good fit.
I have seen many people purchase high dollar horses that ran very well for the previous rider, only to not be able to reproduce their results. Not everyone is going to be capable to ride a top caliber horse to it's full potential, it is a team sport. Your times will always be limited to the weakest link horse or rider.
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