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Location: White Mountains of AZ | So I was informed about a weanling filly. She's a black/white paint, with Dash for Cash and Special Effort in her lines. I haven't seen pictures/papers yet, but I could get her anywhere from $800-1000. But...I've always been a bay fan. All my horses have been bay. Am I weird for questioning this filly because she's not bay? and...how many paints have there been in the NFR..? None that I've seen. IS there a reason for this? |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Don't quote me, but I think there was a thread awhile back about a paint at the NFR. Solid paint, but a paint nontheless! If I could get my hands on a true black/white paint I would jump on it. |
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | What do you mean by "true" black/white paint? |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | magic was owned and ridden by kim west.......kinda went off the cuff on that so i hope im correct...his name was t-bar.....i know charmayne had a magic but i thought i read or heard that t-bars barn name was magic
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  That's White "Man" to You
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| I doubt that the color is what is going to keep her from the NFR. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Charmayne James ran Magic at the NFR I believe and he was full color. There have been a few outcrop paints running there I believe. |
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| I think it was Kim West that made the NFR with a loud paint back in the 90's, maybe? I believe she made it more than once, but my memory is not that good. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | Whiteboy - 2014-10-17 10:46 AM I doubt that the color is what is going to keep her from the NFR.
lmao...good point......
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | Okay...I just didn't know if NFR had a certain rule about paints. I didn't think so, but since I hadn't seen one, wasn't sure. And I'm not saying that this filly is going to take me there, but, at least it wouldn't be a complete false dream with her color :)
Found it haha..
http://newsok.com/west-tells-rest-of-story-behind-that-paint-horse-...
Edited by QH<3er 2014-10-16 11:56 AM
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| Do you have her full pedigree. I think that and seeing her or at least a picture of her would be more helpfull. |
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | I'm waiting on those still. Of course I wouldn't buy her without seeing her papers and pictures of her . But as soon as I get them, I'll post them up. |
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Location: Desert Land | Jane Melby ran a paint at the NFR as well. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Meaning that she is truly black and not brown that "looks" black. Case in point, I had a Rare Form years ago that was registered brown. She looked black, but couldn't registered as such. If the pedigree is there and you like her, there wouldn't be anything stopping me from trying her. |
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| Why is it relevant how many paints have made the NFR? That's like asking how many roan horses have made it. The chances of makng it are just slim, period. It just takes a really special horse and you don't really know that until you start taking them down the road. Over the last 20 years there has not really been a dominant side or set of lines. Yes some are more common, but it's really all over the place.
To answer the question though, Kim West made it on T-bar in the 90's as did Charmayne on Magic and Twila on Cuidell. |
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| Who cares how many have made it to the NFR?
Most trainers do not prefer paints so they do not end up in good hands most of the time its as simple as that. It doesn't mean a paint can not shut the clock off or make a very nice 2 to 3 D horse. If you can get her for that cheap, she is built nice, has papers, and "speaks to you" well then buy. |
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | The only reason I asked about the NFR is because I wasn't sure if there were certain rules pertaining to Paints there or the bigger rodeos. I'm still gonna wait and see pictures and breeding and pray on it. I've never owned a paint, but the people I know who have them are lunatic horses ha. So paints around here have gotten a "crazy horse" type deal about them. So we will see |
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Location: Oklahoma | Molly Powell ran a grade mare at NFR... |
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | I thought they all had to be registered QH. Learn something new every day :) |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Girl, you can run a zebra, if it shuts the clock off!
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | Hahah well good to know as well!!! Maybe I'll start training the mini donkeys I got in the pasture! |
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Location: Kansas | I sure like black/white paints!!! I wouldn't mind having a racing bred paint sitting in my pasture! |
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | As soon as I get pictures and breeding I will be most defiantly posting and getting opinions! And it's sure going to be a contrast compared to my bay horses :) |
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | Magic was the paint that Charmayne rode and TBar was the horse that Kim West rode. Not the same horse. T Bar actually won the average at the NFR. |
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | Yea I had read an artice about Kim West winning the average on "that paint horse" I actually put the article in precious comments |
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Location: N Texas | QH<3er - 2014-10-17 11:45 AM
I thought they all had to be registered QH. Learn something new every day :)
As far as I know, the only shows that require your horse to be certain breed are the shows put on by breed associations. So you couldn't run an APHA at an AQHA show and vice-versa. They have to be registered with that particular association.
For barrel races and rodeos, it just has to be a horse (or I guess an equine of some kind)  |
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | Oh gotcha :) |
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | Dam- http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/lf+emily+ta+fame
Sire- http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/flashy+black+dash
These are the breeding to this filly. |
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | She sounds nice, hope you post pics! No requirements on breed...I have an Arabian mare and a half brother of hers (Arab x QH) has been to the NFR in roping. They are out of the same dam. |
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | I saw pics of her this am, still waiting on her to send them to me though! |
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| QH<3er - 2014-10-16 11:55 AM
Okay...I just didn't know if NFR had a certain rule about paints. I didn't think so, but since I hadn't seen one, wasn't sure. And I'm not saying that this filly is going to take me there, but, at least it wouldn't be a complete false dream with her color : )
Found it haha..
http://newsok.com/west-tells-rest-of-story-behind-that-paint-horse-...
Kristen Weaver rode an Appy at the NFR. |
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | I want a mini fluffy Pegasus!!!! hahahaha how adorable! |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h1oNRIZJ6Q |
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | I'll have to wait to watch the video :( but so far do y'all think her breeding is decent? |
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Location: Missouri | IMO, besides her grandsire, her pedigree is not very special. I do not recognize any of the paint bloodlines.
BUT, I'm no expert, and as soon as I see the words "Sonny Dee..." anything, I get a little twitchy...as my "true black and white" Sonny Dee bred mare launched me on my head and sent me to the ER. Prejudice, yes.
But, I do love my other paints! And, QHs! And, having both, I will say that they are the same in every way (even color, on some.)
eta: don't mean to be discouraging! If you like her, then by all means give her a try! 
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | I was thinking the same thing. Other than her grandsire, I don't know of any of those others names. And if I get a filly, I would want to eventually breed her. Or at least have the opportunity to breed her. But I would want some promising lines in her. |
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Location: Texas | Since you are also looking at her from a breeding standpoint, I would pass. Her pedigree has some big names way back, but nothing close enough to make me look twice.
If you like her in person and on video, only you can decide if you really like her. Based on pedigree only, I would keep looking. |
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | I think so too. She's a cute baby..but never been big on paints... and even though she has a couple good names... ehh ha. But I will still post pictures of her when I get them! |
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Location: Mansfield, Tx | Her GOOD lines are way back there...
Good things for the Filly... if she is a True Black and White... and that she is a Mare ( resale purposes later)
if she is put together nice.. the price is cheap enough I would have to take a chance at her.. but that is just me... (if you can afford to feed another mouth) Good luck..
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | I'm also looking at another filly who is a grandaugher of Frenchmans Guy for the same price..... |
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Location: Kansas | QH<3er - 2014-10-21 3:08 PM I'm also looking at another filly who is a grandaugher of Frenchmans Guy for the same price.....
what is her pedigree? |
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | Her sire is Frenchmans Harddrive. I have another post about him somewhere on here. Her dam is by Docs Lynx and Mr. Baron Red. The owner doesn't have the mares papers because her in-laws screwed her over on them. So downside, is the filly is not registered/papered. |
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Location: Texas | Since the Frenchman's Guy filly doesn't have papers, you are comparing a grade filly to a registered one. Ultimately, it depends on what you are going to do with them. If papers will never be an option on the grade filly and you have mentioned breeding down the road, I would pass.
Honestly, I would pass on both. Since you are looking at younger horses, keep looking. Be patient and you will find a nicely papered young horse that will be what you are looking for. To me, it sounds like you're trying to fit round pegs into a square hole. Don't talk yourself into a horse. Wait for the one that you are not convincing yourself to buy.
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | And that's what I was toying with. The paint is pretty, but I'm not looking for just pretty ha. Yes she is registered, but no real proven lines to be passed down if I was to ever breed her. That's the other thing. I like the grade fillies bloodlines more so that the paint, but I'd rather have a registered girl especially if I was to ever think about breeding in the future. I'm not getting either, But it was just funny how both fillies popped up all of a sudden, it got me thinking. |
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