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| Here are the conformation pictures I said I was going to post. Please be honest (just not brutally honest!). I'd like to know what everyone thinks of his conformation and pedigree. I'm planning to send this guy to the track and then on to the barrel pen. I didn't think about sticking him to see how tall he is right now, but just guessing he stands around 15 hands. He has half siblings that are pretty good sized, so I'd guess he'll get to at least the 15.3 height range.
Here is his pedigree: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/vitalio
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Location: Kansas | LOVE LOVE LOVE all that chrome!!!!  |
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| He is awesome, I love the chrome!!   |
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Location: Oklahoma | I LOVE him! I think he's very balanced for a yearling. He's got a nice slope to his shoulder and hip. |
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Coyote Country Queen
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| Thanks! I really like him, but you know how it goes when you raise them, sometimes you overlook any negatives. I guess I should have been a little clearer, I'm considering leaving him intact, so I want to hear the good and the bad! Is his conformation good enough and are his papers strong enough for this venture? Because if there's not going to be interest in him I'd much rather have a nice gelding to deal with! Of course if he doesn't prove himself or develops a bad temperament I will not hesitate to cut him. |
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| And I sure was not expecting all of that chrome! I was pretty sure his face would be marked just like it is, since his momma and her other foals are all like that. But those legs! |
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Location: Oklahoma | If he has a good mind on him, it doesn't hurt to leave him intact and see where it goes. You can always take them away, but once they're gone, you can't get them back... |
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| TwistedK - 2014-10-27 8:58 AM
If he has a good mind on him, it doesn't hurt to leave him intact and see where it goes. You can always take them away, but once they're gone, you can't get them back...
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| rowdy256 - 2014-10-27 9:02 AM
TwistedK - 2014-10-27 8:58 AM
If he has a good mind on him, it doesn't hurt to leave him intact and see where it goes. You can always take them away, but once they're gone, you can't get them back...
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This has been my mindset about him since I decided to not have him cut earlier this year. I just don't want to do something I'll regret. And that goes both ways - I don't want to regret leaving him intact either! It's just such a big decision to do this whole stallion thing. I'm totally new to this side of breeding, and if I'm going to do it I want to do it right. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Jenbabe - 2014-10-27 9:12 AM rowdy256 - 2014-10-27 9:02 AM TwistedK - 2014-10-27 8:58 AM If he has a good mind on him, it doesn't hurt to leave him intact and see where it goes. You can always take them away, but once they're gone, you can't get them back... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Like and agree!! This has been my mindset about him since I decided to not have him cut earlier this year. I just don't want to do something I'll regret. And that goes both ways - I don't want to regret leaving him intact either! It's just such a big decision to do this whole stallion thing. I'm totally new to this side of breeding, and if I'm going to do it I want to do it right.
When my stud was a yearling I had an appointment to geld him. My vet actually told me I would regret cutting him... Now he's 6 and still a stud. I don't regret leaving him intact at all... |
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| Just wondering why you would send him to the track? Very little percentage of race horses actually are successful at the track. I bought one off the track a month ago, by DTF, for $4,800. SOUND. THats probably less than the stud fee, let alone all the time and training. He won a measly 600.00 on the track. Happy he is in my barn now. Trainer said out of dozens of horses you "Hope" that one will win enough to pay for all the others. So if I raised your nice colt it would be streight to the barrel pen after he was broke. You won't risk injury and have a whole heck of a better chance at bringing home some cash. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2014-10-27 9:16 AM
Just wondering why you would send him to the track? Very little percentage of race horses actually are successful at the track. I bought one off the track a month ago, by DTF, for $4,800. SOUND. THats probably less than the stud fee, let alone all the time and training. He won a measly 600.00 on the track. Happy he is in my barn now. Trainer said out of dozens of horses you "Hope" that one will win enough to pay for all the others. So if I raised your nice colt it would be streight to the barrel pen after he was broke. You won't risk injury and have a whole heck of a better chance at bringing home some cash.
I have to admit that I've been back and forth on this. My plans were to send him and try to get his ROM. If he's doing well after that he can stay, if not he'll come home. I'd like to hear more thoughts on this. Like I said, if I'm going to do this I want to do it right, so I am open to all suggestions and opinions! |
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| FLITASTIC - 2014-10-27 9:16 AM Just wondering why you would send him to the track? Very little percentage of race horses actually are successful at the track. I bought one off the track a month ago, by DTF, for $4,800. SOUND. THats probably less than the stud fee, let alone all the time and training. He won a measly 600.00 on the track. Happy he is in my barn now. Trainer said out of dozens of horses you "Hope" that one will win enough to pay for all the others. So if I raised your nice colt it would be streight to the barrel pen after he was broke. You won't risk injury and have a whole heck of a better chance at bringing home some cash.
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| Track just scares me. I would hate to see a nice colt come up crippled in mere seconds. Now if I was a millionaire and had lots of colts. Maybe. But track is just so hard on them. Young joints and so much pressure. |
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| Being very critical and it could be how he is standing the photo, how the sun is hitting the legs
His right front knee looks a little to the outside going in, but the cannon bone comes out straight, the left front knee looks like the cannon bone comes out a little crooked, this could be how he is standing.
The back legs hocks look straight but it looks like he toes out on both hind feet. |
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Very rarely do I comment on a "confo critique" thread because I want to tear them apart. However, this colt is put together nicely. He is very balanced and has nice angles. If I had to fault him on something (being nit picky), I like to see more roundness of the croup but thats nothing more than personal preferance. Good luck with him! |
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| LOVE him......he is stunning................................
My thoughts on the track....don't do it! So so hard on their developing bones and some horses come back sound, some don't. Very few make it. He looks way to nice to risk injury.
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Location: Kansas | I also really like how well balanced he is. |
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Coyote Country Queen
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| Thank you all for the comments. I will be taking a closer look at his legs. I'm hoping that it was just the way he was standing and that I haven't missed something this whole time. You know how it is taking pictures of young horses, just when you think you've got them squared up they lean one way, pick up a leg, and shift their bodies! I'm just glad my husband and I have learned to communicate during picture taking, because there used to be days when I thought it was going to lead to divorce!
Nobody has said anything about pedigree. I was looking for something that might be more of an outcross for all of the DTF, FG, and FF horses. Anything about those lines scare you away? I know there is some Beduino in there, and I've found people either love it or hate it. I'm riding two of his half siblings and getting ready to start another, and so far I'm impressed with their minds. |
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Location: In a happy place | I think he is gorgeous. He is put together real nice. The only think I would change is I wish his hocks were lower to the ground. That is not anything major to me, I have had plenty like him and they made nice horses. Just something I like. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I think he is definitely worth a 'wait and see' approach with his breeding and looks. If something doesn't turn out, then you'll have a really nice gelding. At least you're trying to do it right. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | I wouldn't send him to the track. Besides the risk of injury, if he doesn't do well, (for ANY reason) people tend to not be very forgiving of that fact. You are better off to have him UNRACED, than have him end up with a bad race record. (I'm talking Only as a stallion prospect. If he were a gelding, it wouldn't matter of he had a crappy race record if he was running barrels.) What have the MARES on the bottom side done and/or produced? |
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| I see your point. But my thoughts are, if he doesn't run he'll get a chance at barrels. If he doesn't run and can't clock on the pattern, then I don't want to breed him! If he doesn't make it, he'll be gelded and handed over to my husband to make a head horse and pick up horse. I don't have to have a stallion, and in fact I'm not sure that I really want one! I've just been impressed with what I'm seeing from his siblings, and with his personality and looks I thought it couldn't hurt to give him a try.
His dam has only raised 4 foals, and I own them all. I had planned to haul the oldest this year, but we've just been struggling with her front feet. She fractured a wing of her coffin bone as a weanling and we're hoping that we might have finally figured out how to shoe her and make her feel good. I will start hauling another soon, and the other is getting ready to be started. They all are built nice with great minds, but I know that until I get them proven it doesn't mean a whole lot. The mare raced and won a little money, but did not earn her ROM. The 2nd dam earned her ROM, produced 4 race ROM earners. The 3rd dam produced 8 race ROM earners, including a stakes winner. Honestly, it's probably not the strongest tail female line, but I really like having a BA75 daughter there. |
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Location: Texas | I really like the top side of his pedigree. The bottom isn't as strong, but it's still good enough that I wouldn't dink him on it as a stallion. I also wouldn't hold it against him since you want to compete on him and see if he earns his jewels.
As far as the track goes, I don't think it is a benefit given the options available for campaigning a stallion prospect. I would much rather a stallion go through the futurity system and prove his potential than see them do it on the track. I think so much more can go wrong on the track. And to me, speed on the track doesn't always transfer over to the pattern.
I think the track option meant a lot more 30ish years ago because we didn't have so many futurities. Not to take away from it. But there are other ways to prove a stallion prospect has earned his breeding rights than just on the race track. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | I still think skipping the track is the safer option. (For BOTH reasons I mentioned.) Since your hubby is a roper, I would go that route AND barrels. Nothing wrong with a stallion that can be more than a "one trick pony".
People that breed for the track don't give 2 shits about what a horse does anywhere else. And if they aren't a major graded stakes winner with a LOT of earning, a high SI, and a great female family, they won't breed to him. Barrel racers and ropers want a horse that is proven in their field. That is much more important than a horse that was on the track.
If he is going to the track, he needs to be getting started and ready NOW!
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | His I really liked his front end at first but I read through the comments and then went and looked back and i think I see what everyone else does, but also the light is coming from the side so that can make it look awkward. Take a picture of his front end facing directly towards the sun when its coming up or going down, but he has good bone, definitely lots of chrome. His side shot is kind of so so to me Like someone else said I like a rounder more powerful looking hip/croupe. but that may change with age. He's still young so i'd like to see where he goes and how he looks when he's older but i'd give him a shot at least as long as he keeps his mind.
i ALSO wanted to say I just got a Desirio daughter in and I LOVE HER!!I havent done my pretty "professional" shots yet, these are from the day I got her home, but they show how muscled she is.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/desaria2
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| Thank you all for sharing your thoughts, I really do appreciate it! And thank you for being honest, but not brutal! You have all given me some things to think about and consider.
He is actually set to go to the trainer very soon. They wanted him riding before they got him, and I thought I'd get it done before now. But with my husband's busy schedule I haven't had a chance to get on him. All the ground work is done, just need someone around so I can get in the saddle.
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Location: NE Texas | I'm going to be the odd man (woman) out here. I'm pretty sure I know who you are planning on sending this colt to and I will be honest with you, I would 100 million percent send him. Even if he doesn't make a scalding race horse, the horse you will go home with will be absolutely ready to go on with and make a barrel horse. You will not get back a disrespectful fire breathing dragon.....you will get back a respectful horse who knows how to move forward, back, left and right and will have a work ethic instilled. The barn you are planning on sending him to is not your typical race horse barn.....they get those colts out and work them every day and the boys that gallop for them aren't hanging on their heads or pulling incessantly on their mouths. They ride them and educate them. I can guarantee you that your horse will be physically and mentally prepared in that barn. He will not be souped up on any type of drug or stimulant whatsoever, and most of all, she will be 100% honest with you about your horse and his ability to be successful. Best money i've ever spent on my colt! In 45 days after I brought him home from the race track he was cruising through a set of barrels really nicely. Now we're getting ready for the 2015 futurities. So I say go for it with this colt......enjoy the experience and him....and know he is in great hands! |
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| Herbie - 2014-10-28 1:49 PM
I'm going to be the odd man (woman) out here. I'm pretty sure I know who you are planning on sending this colt to and I will be honest with you, I would 100 million percent send him. Even if he doesn't make a scalding race horse, the horse you will go home with will be absolutely ready to go on with and make a barrel horse. You will not get back a disrespectful fire breathing dragon.....you will get back a respectful horse who knows how to move forward, back, left and right and will have a work ethic instilled. The barn you are planning on sending him to is not your typical race horse barn.....they get those colts out and work them every day and the boys that gallop for them aren't hanging on their heads or pulling incessantly on their mouths. They ride them and educate them. I can guarantee you that your horse will be physically and mentally prepared in that barn. He will not be souped up on any type of drug or stimulant whatsoever, and most of all, she will be 100% honest with you about your horse and his ability to be successful. Best money i've ever spent on my colt! In 45 days after I brought him home from the race track he was cruising through a set of barrels really nicely. Now we're getting ready for the 2015 futurities. So I say go for it with this colt......enjoy the experience and him....and know he is in great hands!
Thank you! It was you bragging on her that initially made me get in touch with her. Between what you've said and my conversations with her I feel very confident about the plans we've made for him. Of course in the back of my mind I know that accidents happen, but if I had any reservations I'd just keep him here. I rarely send horses out to other trainers, maybe because I'm a little OCD! So handing over a horse to someone else is not an easy decision for me to make. |
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Location: OH | When all else fails--go with your gutt. I would also try and get his ROM, like you said he would be a good outcross and that would definitely make him more appealling. Once he gets a decent SI though I would probably end it there unless he is world class. |
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Location: NE Texas | Jenbabe - 2014-10-28 2:30 PM Herbie - 2014-10-28 1:49 PM I'm going to be the odd man (woman) out here. I'm pretty sure I know who you are planning on sending this colt to and I will be honest with you, I would 100 million percent send him. Even if he doesn't make a scalding race horse, the horse you will go home with will be absolutely ready to go on with and make a barrel horse. You will not get back a disrespectful fire breathing dragon.....you will get back a respectful horse who knows how to move forward, back, left and right and will have a work ethic instilled. The barn you are planning on sending him to is not your typical race horse barn.....they get those colts out and work them every day and the boys that gallop for them aren't hanging on their heads or pulling incessantly on their mouths. They ride them and educate them. I can guarantee you that your horse will be physically and mentally prepared in that barn. He will not be souped up on any type of drug or stimulant whatsoever, and most of all, she will be 100% honest with you about your horse and his ability to be successful. Best money i've ever spent on my colt! In 45 days after I brought him home from the race track he was cruising through a set of barrels really nicely. Now we're getting ready for the 2015 futurities. So I say go for it with this colt......enjoy the experience and him....and know he is in great hands! Thank you! It was you bragging on her that initially made me get in touch with her. Between what you've said and my conversations with her I feel very confident about the plans we've made for him. Of course in the back of my mind I know that accidents happen, but if I had any reservations I'd just keep him here. I rarely send horses out to other trainers, maybe because I'm a little OCD! So handing over a horse to someone else is not an easy decision for me to make.
I can assure you that you are no more OCD than I am! We had a great time with our colt being up there. I wish you the best of luck and hope that you'll send the filly too eventually. :) This colt I really like though. You know, you're right, there is always a risk when running one down the racetrack. There is also a risk in turning them out in the pasture, running barrels on them, etc, but to me the juice is worth the squeeze at the race track and the experience they gain there will be invaluable. They are just easy to handle and be around and know how to go forward with a person on them. I can't wait to get to watch your horses and hear about their progression as well!!!! |
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Location: Oklahoma | Herbie - 2014-10-28 3:33 PM Jenbabe - 2014-10-28 2:30 PM Herbie - 2014-10-28 1:49 PM I'm going to be the odd man (woman) out here. I'm pretty sure I know who you are planning on sending this colt to and I will be honest with you, I would 100 million percent send him. Even if he doesn't make a scalding race horse, the horse you will go home with will be absolutely ready to go on with and make a barrel horse. You will not get back a disrespectful fire breathing dragon.....you will get back a respectful horse who knows how to move forward, back, left and right and will have a work ethic instilled. The barn you are planning on sending him to is not your typical race horse barn.....they get those colts out and work them every day and the boys that gallop for them aren't hanging on their heads or pulling incessantly on their mouths. They ride them and educate them. I can guarantee you that your horse will be physically and mentally prepared in that barn. He will not be souped up on any type of drug or stimulant whatsoever, and most of all, she will be 100% honest with you about your horse and his ability to be successful. Best money i've ever spent on my colt! In 45 days after I brought him home from the race track he was cruising through a set of barrels really nicely. Now we're getting ready for the 2015 futurities. So I say go for it with this colt......enjoy the experience and him....and know he is in great hands! Thank you! It was you bragging on her that initially made me get in touch with her. Between what you've said and my conversations with her I feel very confident about the plans we've made for him. Of course in the back of my mind I know that accidents happen, but if I had any reservations I'd just keep him here. I rarely send horses out to other trainers, maybe because I'm a little OCD! So handing over a horse to someone else is not an easy decision for me to make.
Please PM me who you are looking at sending him to? I have a couple I'd like to send to someone. |
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| Mighty Broke - 2014-10-28 3:24 PM
When all else fails--go with your gutt. I would also try and get his ROM, like you said he would be a good outcross and that would definitely make him more appealling. Once he gets a decent SI though I would probably end it there unless he is world class.
That was what I was thinking, too. If he's really running and doing well, he can stay. But if he's just average we'll shoot for the decent SI and get him home to start barrel training. |
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Location: NE Texas | TwistedK - 2014-10-28 3:36 PM
Herbie - 2014-10-28 3:33 PM Jenbabe - 2014-10-28 2:30 PM Herbie - 2014-10-28 1:49 PM I'm going to be the odd man (woman) out here. I'm pretty sure I know who you are planning on sending this colt to and I will be honest with you, I would 100 million percent send him. Even if he doesn't make a scalding race horse, the horse you will go home with will be absolutely ready to go on with and make a barrel horse. You will not get back a disrespectful fire breathing dragon.....you will get back a respectful horse who knows how to move forward, back, left and right and will have a work ethic instilled. The barn you are planning on sending him to is not your typical race horse barn.....they get those colts out and work them every day and the boys that gallop for them aren't hanging on their heads or pulling incessantly on their mouths. They ride them and educate them. I can guarantee you that your horse will be physically and mentally prepared in that barn. He will not be souped up on any type of drug or stimulant whatsoever, and most of all, she will be 100% honest with you about your horse and his ability to be successful. Best money i've ever spent on my colt! In 45 days after I brought him home from the race track he was cruising through a set of barrels really nicely. Now we're getting ready for the 2015 futurities. So I say go for it with this colt......enjoy the experience and him....and know he is in great hands! Thank you! It was you bragging on her that initially made me get in touch with her. Between what you've said and my conversations with her I feel very confident about the plans we've made for him. Of course in the back of my mind I know that accidents happen, but if I had any reservations I'd just keep him here. I rarely send horses out to other trainers, maybe because I'm a little OCD! So handing over a horse to someone else is not an easy decision for me to make.
Contact total performance on here. She's the best and I'd send anything I had to her and know that they were in great hands and my horse's best interest was her #1 priority! |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Herbie - 2014-10-28 7:00 PM TwistedK - 2014-10-28 3:36 PM Herbie - 2014-10-28 3:33 PM Jenbabe - 2014-10-28 2:30 PM Herbie - 2014-10-28 1:49 PM I'm going to be the odd man (woman) out here. I'm pretty sure I know who you are planning on sending this colt to and I will be honest with you, I would 100 million percent send him. Even if he doesn't make a scalding race horse, the horse you will go home with will be absolutely ready to go on with and make a barrel horse. You will not get back a disrespectful fire breathing dragon.....you will get back a respectful horse who knows how to move forward, back, left and right and will have a work ethic instilled. The barn you are planning on sending him to is not your typical race horse barn.....they get those colts out and work them every day and the boys that gallop for them aren't hanging on their heads or pulling incessantly on their mouths. They ride them and educate them. I can guarantee you that your horse will be physically and mentally prepared in that barn. He will not be souped up on any type of drug or stimulant whatsoever, and most of all, she will be 100% honest with you about your horse and his ability to be successful. Best money i've ever spent on my colt! In 45 days after I brought him home from the race track he was cruising through a set of barrels really nicely. Now we're getting ready for the 2015 futurities. So I say go for it with this colt......enjoy the experience and him....and know he is in great hands! Thank you! It was you bragging on her that initially made me get in touch with her. Between what you've said and my conversations with her I feel very confident about the plans we've made for him. Of course in the back of my mind I know that accidents happen, but if I had any reservations I'd just keep him here. I rarely send horses out to other trainers, maybe because I'm a little OCD! So handing over a horse to someone else is not an easy decision for me to make. Contact total performance on here. She's the best and I'd send anything I had to her and know that they were in great hands and my horse's best interest was her #1 priority!
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