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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Well, seems as though someone is going to step up and hold the owners accountable for bad test on their horses!!! http://www.paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/new-mexico-stewards-scratch-horse-from-rich-futurity-due-to-owners-fourth-drug-violation/ |
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Location: Online | Finally!! These owners need to be banned from horse racing. If they insist on drugging they should go to Mexican match races. It won't matter how many trainers these owners go through, they will continue to drug their horses. I am still wondering how they got their money for the All American. It was obvious that horse was on something. I just wonder what it was that didn't show up on the test.
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Location: NE Texas | Good for the Stewards and the NM Racing Commission! That is definitely a step in the right direction!!!! Thanks for sharing, total performance!!!!!  |
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Location: Madill Ok | And this came out yesterday regarding the $972,000 Los Alamitos Super Derby! Doc Allred is not Playin. WOW!!
SUPER DERBY RESCHEDULED (courtesy of TRACK's Monday Report)
> Los Alamitos Race Course chairman Dr. Ed Allred called TRACK Magazine Monday (October 27) morning and told Ben Hudson that he is rescheduling the final of the Los Alamitos Super Derby G1 for the weekend of November 8-9.
Citing irregularities in testing on some of the horses that
qualifiedfor the final of the $972,100 race that was scheduled for
this Saturday evening, Dr. Allred told TRACK, "We are also doing
further testing on the horses with the 11th through 30th qualifying
times in the trials. We must have all horses in the race with clean
tests."
Trainer Eloy Navarro qualified eight horses for the Super Derby,
including fastest qualifier Foose Cash SR $825,670. Foose Cash SR won
the Los Alamitos Two Million Futurity G1.
The winner of the Los Alamitos Super Derby earns a spot in the
$600,000 Champion of Champions G1 that will be run at Los Alamitos on
December 13.
Dr. Allred said that the final of the Golden State Million Futurity
G1 will go this Sunday as scheduled. "We are going to run the Golden
State as scheduled," Dr. Allred told TRACK. He said that some
additional testing is still being done on horses that are qualified for that race.
Heza Dasha Fire, the fastest qualifier for the Golden State Million,
won the Ed Burke Million Futurity G1 at Los Alamitos earlier this year
and should he win the Golden State will be in the running for the $1
million Los Alamitos Bonanza.
Dr. Allred said the Golden State Million final could not be moved
because it would not allow horses in the final of that race enough
time between it and the November 23 trials for the Los Alamitos Two
Million Futurity G1.
"We have had complete cooperation from the state in this matter, and
we are working hard to make sure that Los Alamitos has the cleanest
racing anywhere," he added.
A news release last Friday from Los Alamitos revealed that the drawing
for this Saturday's (November 1) races "will take place under the
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Location: NE Texas | Another big thumbs up for Dr. Allred! Thanks for sharing, Joleen. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | Interesting. Although I personally see this more as a trainer issue than an owner issue from my experience. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | I actually see it as owner/trainer responsibility. Owners will go to any length to get to the winners circle. If that means finding a trainer that will give what is illegal that's where these owners are going to go. If they can't have their horses run on their own merit, training, feed program then they need to be banned and fined. I also feel that horse needs to be banned and not allowed to move from trainer to trainer. Sure does make it hard on us little guys that try to do things right to outrun all this crap they decide to put in these horses. |
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Location: NE Texas | total performance - 2014-10-28 10:26 AM I actually see it as owner/trainer responsibility. Owners will go to any length to get to the winners circle. If that means finding a trainer that will give what is illegal that's where these owners are going to go. If they can't have their horses run on their own merit, training, feed program then they need to be banned and fined. I also feel that horse needs to be banned and not allowed to move from trainer to trainer. Sure does make it hard on us little guys that try to do things right to outrun all this crap they decide to put in these horses.
Amen! It's absolutley an owner problem just as much as a trainer problem. I know of owners who have walked their horses across the street to switch trainers because the current trainer refused to give the bad stuff and trainer across the street agreed to. There is nothing to encourage owners to seek out trainers who do things right.....if the horse pops positive and the trainer is fined and faces suspension, no problem, owner just moves the horse to a new barn/trainer and it's biz as usual for them. ALL parties and connections, including the horse itself, must be held accontable, fined, and suspended (or not allowed to run) for this to make an impact. Get in the pockets of owners and then they will pay attention. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Herbie - 2014-10-28 10:34 AM total performance - 2014-10-28 10:26 AM I actually see it as owner/trainer responsibility. Owners will go to any length to get to the winners circle. If that means finding a trainer that will give what is illegal that's where these owners are going to go. If they can't have their horses run on their own merit, training, feed program then they need to be banned and fined. I also feel that horse needs to be banned and not allowed to move from trainer to trainer. Sure does make it hard on us little guys that try to do things right to outrun all this crap they decide to put in these horses. Amen! It's absolutley an owner problem just as much as a trainer problem. I know of owners who have walked their horses across the street to switch trainers because the current trainer refused to give the bad stuff and trainer across the street agreed to. There is nothing to encourage owners to seek out trainers who do things right.....if the horse pops positive and the trainer is fined and faces suspension, no problem, owner just moves the horse to a new barn/trainer and it's biz as usual for them. ALL parties and connections, including the horse itself, must be held accontable, fined, and suspended (or not allowed to run) for this to make an impact. Get in the pockets of owners and then they will pay attention.
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Location: Online | Ed Allred is really tightening down his track. I've heard some trainers are banned from stepping foot until they are further investigated. He wants them to run clean. I applaud him for that. Let's make it an even playing field. Let the horses win on their own talent and not the help of pharmaceuticals. I even think there should be a limit on how many times a horse can have joint injections.
I don't exactly like Doc Allred for what he did for a living but I'm glad he's trying to clean up his track. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | rodeomom13 - 2014-10-28 11:14 AM Ed Allred is really tightening down his track. I've heard some trainers are banned from stepping foot until they are further investigated. He wants them to run clean. I applaud him for that. Let's make it an even playing field. Let the horses win on their own talent and not the help of pharmaceuticals. I even think there should be a limit on how many times a horse can have joint injections.
I don't exactly like Doc Allred for what he did for a living but I'm glad he's trying to clean up his track.
Oklahoma is tightening things also. Now if we can get the rest of the tracks to follow suit..maybe, just maybe we can get this stuff cleaned up. |
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Location: NE Texas | Unfortunately the drug problem exceed the confines of the racetrack world. According to WPRA, of the horses that were tested at WPRA events in 2015, right at 20% tested positive with a Class 1 or Class 2 medication violation. When this was addressed there were several members (some prominent) that were very adamnatly against the WPRA drug testing their horses. One walked out, and three others were very outspoken about their stance on this subject. One former world champion and current NFR qualifer went so far as to say "i'll do what I want and just pay the fine" during the members meeting. This saddens me for our sport as well.
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Herbie - 2014-10-28 11:49 AM Unfortunately the drug problem exceed the confines of the racetrack world. According to WPRA, of the horses that were tested at WPRA events in 2015, right at 20% tested positive with a Class 1 or Class 2 medication violation. When this was addressed there were several members (some prominent) that were very adamnatly against the WPRA drug testing their horses. One walked out, and three others were very outspoken about their stance on this subject. One former world champion and current NFR qualifer went so far as to say "i'll do what I want and just pay the fine" during the members meeting. This saddens me for our sport as well.
WOW! Sad for sure. |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | I believe that racing will only be cleaned up when ALL the connections and the horses face mandatory sanctions to include stiff fines and long suspensions. I also think that sanctions imposed in one state will need to be upheld in all other racing jurisdictions. Only when peoples pocketbooks, livelyhoods and breeding programs are jeopardized are they going to begin play by the rules that us little people have always respected. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | SC Wrangler - 2014-10-28 6:55 PM I believe that racing will only be cleaned up when ALL the connections and the horses face mandatory sanctions to include stiff fines and long suspensions. I also think that sanctions imposed in one state will need to be upheld in all other racing jurisdictions. Only when peoples pocketbooks, livelyhoods and breeding programs are jeopardized are they going to begin play by the rules that us little people have always respected.
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Location: Where I am happiest | Herbie - 2014-10-28 11:49 AM Unfortunately the drug problem exceed the confines of the racetrack world. According to WPRA, of the horses that were tested at WPRA events in 2015, right at 20% tested positive with a Class 1 or Class 2 medication violation. When this was addressed there were several members (some prominent) that were very adamnatly against the WPRA drug testing their horses. One walked out, and three others were very outspoken about their stance on this subject. One former world champion and current NFR qualifer went so far as to say "i'll do what I want and just pay the fine" during the members meeting. This saddens me for our sport as well.
Hmmmm. There is only one there that I can see doing that. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | SC Wrangler - 2014-10-28 6:55 PM
I believe that racing will only be cleaned up when ALL the connections and the horses face mandatory sanctions to include stiff fines and long suspensions. I also think that sanctions imposed in one state will need to be upheld in all other racing jurisdictions. Only when peoples pocketbooks, livelyhoods and breeding programs are jeopardized are they going to begin play by the rules that us little people have always respected.
Do you wanna clean it up? I mean really clean?? Start tacking prison terms to all that other stuff.... For the Vets, trainers AND owners. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Would be interesting to see something like this at some of the barrel races. |
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Location: Oklahoma | ThreeCorners - 2014-10-28 9:04 PM
Herbie - 2014-10-28 11:49 AM Unfortunately the drug problem exceed the confines of the racetrack world. According to WPRA, of the horses that were tested at WPRA events in 2015, right at 20% tested positive with a Class 1 or Class 2 medication violation. When this was addressed there were several members (some prominent) that were very adamnatly against the WPRA drug testing their horses. One walked out, and three others were very outspoken about their stance on this subject. One former world champion and current NFR qualifer went so far as to say "i'll do what I want and just pay the fine" during the members meeting. This saddens me for our sport as well.
Hmmmm. There is only one there that I can see doing that.
That's just really, really sad. I feel sorry for the people that idolize these types of people and I hope that it is because of lack of knowledge and don't share the "to win at all costs" attitude. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Herbie - 2014-10-27 12:49 PM
Unfortunately the drug problem exceed the confines of the racetrack world. According to WPRA, of the horses that were tested at WPRA events in 2015, right at 20% tested positive with a Class 1 or Class 2 medication violation. When this was addressed there were several members (some prominent) that were very adamnatly against the WPRA drug testing their horses. One walked out, and three others were very outspoken about their stance on this subject. One former world champion and current NFR qualifer went so far as to say "i'll do what I want and just pay the fine" during the members meeting. This saddens me for our sport as well.
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | komet. - 2014-10-28 9:45 PM SC Wrangler - 2014-10-28 6:55 PM I believe that racing will only be cleaned up when ALL the connections and the horses face mandatory sanctions to include stiff fines and long suspensions. I also think that sanctions imposed in one state will need to be upheld in all other racing jurisdictions. Only when peoples pocketbooks, livelyhoods and breeding programs are jeopardized are they going to begin play by the rules that us little people have always respected. Do you wanna clean it up? I mean really clean?? Start tacking prison terms to all that other stuff.... For the Vets, trainers AND owners.
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | SC Wrangler - 2014-10-29 10:27 AM komet. - 2014-10-28 9:45 PM SC Wrangler - 2014-10-28 6:55 PM I believe that racing will only be cleaned up when ALL the connections and the horses face mandatory sanctions to include stiff fines and long suspensions. I also think that sanctions imposed in one state will need to be upheld in all other racing jurisdictions. Only when peoples pocketbooks, livelyhoods and breeding programs are jeopardized are they going to begin play by the rules that us little people have always respected. Do you wanna clean it up? I mean really clean?? Start tacking prison terms to all that other stuff.... For the Vets, trainers AND owners.
Heck I would settle for hefty fines and suspensions. AQHA and Jockey Club priveledges revoked also. |
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| CJE - 2014-10-29 6:08 AM
Herbie - 2014-10-27 12:49 PM
Unfortunately the drug problem exceed the confines of the racetrack world. According to WPRA, of the horses that were tested at WPRA events in 2015, right at 20% tested positive with a Class 1 or Class 2 medication violation. When this was addressed there were several members (some prominent) that were very adamnatly against the WPRA drug testing their horses. One walked out, and three others were very outspoken about their stance on this subject. One former world champion and current NFR qualifer went so far as to say "i'll do what I want and just pay the fine" during the members meeting. This saddens me for our sport as well.
You're spot on.....
Yep. I just love how many people on this site are so quick to point fingers at the race industry. But then they turn around and justify it in the barrel industry by either claiming people love their horses too much to needle them and they couldn't possibly hold up to that kind of abuse... or they justify it by saying the horse needs "meds" because of "problems" so it's okay because they simply can't let them sit. |
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Location: The edge of no where | SKM - 2014-10-29 10:39 AM CJE - 2014-10-29 6:08 AM Herbie - 2014-10-27 12:49 PM Unfortunately the drug problem exceed the confines of the racetrack world. According to WPRA, of the horses that were tested at WPRA events in 2015, right at 20% tested positive with a Class 1 or Class 2 medication violation. When this was addressed there were several members (some prominent) that were very adamnatly against the WPRA drug testing their horses. One walked out, and three others were very outspoken about their stance on this subject. One former world champion and current NFR qualifer went so far as to say "i'll do what I want and just pay the fine" during the members meeting. This saddens me for our sport as well.
You're spot on..... Yep. I just love how many people on this site are so quick to point fingers at the race industry. But then they turn around and justify it in the barrel industry by either claiming people love their horses too much to needle them and they couldn't possibly hold up to that kind of abuse... or they justify it by saying the horse needs "meds" because of "problems" so it's okay because they simply can't let them sit.
Granted, I haven't gone thru the wpra list with a fine toothed comb...but I think it definitely needs work. I do remember looking at the bute, lasix and banamine regulations and thinking it wasn't realistic. Flame me if you will, but some bleeders require medications that they're not going to allow or allow in the dosage needed. For those that say those horses shouldn't be run, then what do you suggest is done with them? Become pasture ornaments? Not everyone can afford to just keep an unusable horse around. I would want to know exactly which med they gave before throwing someone under the bus. |
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| Just for the sake of argument, let's talk about lasix. Let's say a girl enters 90+ times in the year and most of those runs are on a horse that needs lasix... can a person honestly justify needling a horse that often? I personally couldn't. Every time you enter that vein with a needle you cause scar tissue to develop. It's sad and disgusting to see the jugular on a horse that's been needled like that its entire life. It gets thick and knotted looking. I guess it boils down to what you as a person can live with when you look in the mirror. I understand that some need help. But at what point is the line drawn? There is a fine line between helping a horse and a person simply being selfish and abusing the use of meds. I see a lot of people that step over to the selfish side way too often and think nothing of it.
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Location: NE Texas | I'm certainly not throwing anyone under the bus and I would agree with you in that it can be improved upon. Lasix, bute, and banamine are not what i'm most concerned about, but those too are abused unfortunately. I think what bothers me most is the blatent disrespect for authority and the "i'll do whatever I want" stance. There is a problem out there and unfortunately those who abuse the drugs that are meant to be beneficial when used correctly ruin it for the rest of us who do care about the long term health of our horses and choose not to run them when they're sore, injured, etc. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | MS2011 - 2014-10-29 11:48 AM SKM - 2014-10-29 10:39 AM CJE - 2014-10-29 6:08 AM Herbie - 2014-10-27 12:49 PM Unfortunately the drug problem exceed the confines of the racetrack world. According to WPRA, of the horses that were tested at WPRA events in 2015, right at 20% tested positive with a Class 1 or Class 2 medication violation. When this was addressed there were several members (some prominent) that were very adamnatly against the WPRA drug testing their horses. One walked out, and three others were very outspoken about their stance on this subject. One former world champion and current NFR qualifer went so far as to say "i'll do what I want and just pay the fine" during the members meeting. This saddens me for our sport as well.
You're spot on..... Yep. I just love how many people on this site are so quick to point fingers at the race industry. But then they turn around and justify it in the barrel industry by either claiming people love their horses too much to needle them and they couldn't possibly hold up to that kind of abuse... or they justify it by saying the horse needs "meds" because of "problems" so it's okay because they simply can't let them sit.
You know - I just thought of this and you happened to mention bleeders - so not a pick at you.
But, if a horse bleeds bad enough and needs lasix for every run - would be nicer to the animal to find it a new job? IDK - but I am beginning to think we (in a whole) are over looking at what might be best for the animal. Would it be just like running something on pain killers? Same effect, cover up a problem.......................... |
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Location: Driving, Grooming, or Saddling for a Kid! | Wait....I thought lasix could be given in the muscle? |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | MS2011 - 2014-10-28 11:48 AM SKM - 2014-10-29 10:39 AM CJE - 2014-10-29 6:08 AM Herbie - 2014-10-27 12:49 PM Unfortunately the drug problem exceed the confines of the racetrack world. According to WPRA, of the horses that were tested at WPRA events in 2015, right at 20% tested positive with a Class 1 or Class 2 medication violation. When this was addressed there were several members (some prominent) that were very adamnatly against the WPRA drug testing their horses. One walked out, and three others were very outspoken about their stance on this subject. One former world champion and current NFR qualifer went so far as to say "i'll do what I want and just pay the fine" during the members meeting. This saddens me for our sport as well.
You're spot on..... Yep. I just love how many people on this site are so quick to point fingers at the race industry. But then they turn around and justify it in the barrel industry by either claiming people love their horses too much to needle them and they couldn't possibly hold up to that kind of abuse... or they justify it by saying the horse needs "meds" because of "problems" so it's okay because they simply can't let them sit.
If the horse is a true bleeder.........I am fine with lasix.........but there sure seems to be a lot of bleeders this days.........just saying.......as well as soreness.........banamine, bute, dex etc......and also COPD......aka ventipulmin........ |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | DunIt - 2014-10-28 12:31 PM Wait....I thought lasix could be given in the muscle?
It can.........just further out..........as in time wise...... |
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Wait....I thought lasix could be given in the muscle?
Does that make it any better if you run 90+ times a year? |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | SKM - 2014-10-28 12:21 PM Just for the sake of argument, let's talk about lasix. Let's say a girl enters 90+ times in the year and most of those runs are on a horse that needs lasix... can a person honestly justify needling a horse that often? I personally couldn't. Every time you enter that vein with a needle you cause scar tissue to develop. It's sad and disgusting to see the jugular on a horse that's been needled like that its entire life. It gets thick and knotted looking. I guess it boils down to what you as a person can live with when you look in the mirror. I understand that some need help. But at what point is the line drawn? There is a fine line between helping a horse and a person simply being selfish and abusing the use of meds. I see a lot of people that step over to the selfish side way too often and think nothing of it.
My mare has truly bled once........we ran her some on lasix........she hates a needle and I hated it too.....thankful I have not ran her on lasix and she has not bleed..........I do watch her and hope not to have to return to using Lasix.......... |
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Location: Driving, Grooming, or Saddling for a Kid! | I was just asking because your stand was what it did to the vein. You didnt say anything about what the drug did to the horse. So yeah if you go by the statment of what it does to the vein, then yes in the muscle is better. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | SKM - 2014-10-29 11:38 AM DunIt - 2014-10-29 10:31 AM Wait....I thought lasix could be given in the muscle? Does that make it any better if you run 90+ times a year?
SKM.. not being ugly, seriously just curious. I know your daughter is on the WPRA trail, do you (or her) not give the horses she hauls anything?
In my opinion, if we are going to get this sticky on giving bute, banamine, lasix to horses that are running and working hard for us, then where on the selfish scale does that put joint supplements (injectable or oral), other oral supplements (for bleeding, or wind aid), theraplates, magnetic blankets, etc., to aid in their abilities/perfomance? Horses hauling up and down the road get body sore..even if they don't need anything for joint pain, or injury pain, they get muscle sore from the general workout of running at times. It would be like a human being in great shape, works out everyday at the gym with no side effects, but then runs a marathon and feels it for the next 3 days, and we don't allow them any ibuprophen because its selfish. Same for lasix, some horses just bleed, but if it can be managed with lasix, so it doesn't scar the lungs to cause suffering or injury that will later effect them, why not. Lasix can be given IM and PO as well, not just IV.
I know there are LOTS of drugs out there people use to get better results, from anabolic steroids, to mixed up concoctions.. and I DO think that is wrong, but to offer a couple of things that just aid in the general overall feeling good of the animal, I think we, as an association (which ever one you want to talk about) should be able to come to an understanding on what drugs can be used with withdrawl time and what drugs just can't be used period. And I think we should be able to do this without looking down our noses and thinking someone else is selfish and shouldn't do it to their horse, while we are behind the scenes possibly doing something to get the same results, just with a different method. |
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SKM - 2014-10-29 11:38 AM DunIt - 2014-10-29 10:31 AM Wait....I thought lasix could be given in the muscle? Does that make it any better if you run 90+ times a year?
In my opinion, if we are going to get this sticky on giving bute, banamine, lasix to horses that are running and working hard for us, then where on the selfish scale does that put joint supplements (injectable or oral), other oral supplements (for bleeding, or wind aid), theraplates, magnetic blankets, etc., to aid in their abilities/perfomance? Horses hauling up and down the road get body sore..even if they don't need anything for joint pain, or injury pain, they get muscle sore from the general workout of running at times. It would be like a human being in great shape, works out everyday at the gym with no side effects, but then runs a marathon and feels it for the next 3 days, and we don't allow them any ibuprophen because its selfish. Same for lasix, some horses just bleed, but if it can be managed with lasix, so it doesn't scar the lungs to cause suffering or injury that will later effect them, why not. Lasix can be given IM and PO as well, not just IV.
I know there are LOTS of drugs out there people use to get better results, from anabolic steroids, to mixed up concoctions.. and I DO think that is wrong, but to offer a couple of things that just aid in the general overall feeling good of the animal, I think we, as an association (which ever one you want to talk about) should be able to come to an understanding on what drugs can be used with withdrawl time and what drugs just can't be used period. And I think we should be able to do this without looking down our noses and thinking someone else is selfish and shouldn't do it to their horse, while we are behind the scenes possibly doing something to get the same results, just with a different method.
We might give oral bute on occasion but it isn't very often. We use the PHT products a lot and Soft Rides. As for supplements, we use THE Muscle Mass with ulcer and joint. If we have a choice, we prefer to make a large electric pen at the rodeos and we put a bag of shavings out. Vegas always lays down in them. I do have all sorts of drugs. But I rarely use them. I am not big on needling one and only needle when absolutely necessary. I think you can accomplish more with the correct training program, feed program, shoeing, chiro care, the horses happiness and managing the way the muscles feel physically than simply resorting to meds to fix things. And giving time off when needed. Right now Vegas is on a 2 month rest before Denver. She needs it. We just really listen to her and watch her like a hawk fie the least little sign that something is off. We have an excellent support system in place. |
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| Guess I didn't answer everything. I do feel meds have a place. But most are abused anymore and very few people actually know how to use them properly. I'm all for alternative help that doesn't mask issues. Most meds are now used to mask a problem, not to fix it. I have no problem with magnets, lasers, massage, etc. I think oral supplements can go either direction. They can help or they can harm depending on how they are used and mixed. Most people seem to want a quick fix. I don't believe it works that way. I'm a hands on type of person. Literally. I am always feeling muscles and watching the way of travel. If one of our horses short steps an 8th of an inch, I will notice. If I don't like what a vet says, I get a second opinion. If something doesn't work, I change it. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | SKM - 2014-10-29 12:49 PM Guess I didn't answer everything. I do feel meds have a place. But most are abused anymore and very few people actually know how to use them properly. I'm all for alternative help that doesn't mask issues. Most meds are now used to mask a problem, not to fix it. I have no problem with magnets, lasers, massage, etc. I think oral supplements can go either direction. They can help or they can harm depending on how they are used and mixed. Most people seem to want a quick fix. I don't believe it works that way. I'm a hands on type of person. Literally. I am always feeling muscles and watching the way of travel. If one of our horses short steps an 8th of an inch, I will notice. If I don't like what a vet says, I get a second opinion. If something doesn't work, I change it.
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The Expert Expert
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Location: Western performance horse Hades | Three were sedatives given in conjunction with bleeder medications and three were for stacking NSAIDS. Hardcore drugging going on there. |
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Namesless in BHW
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | zipper - 2014-10-29 1:07 PM Three were sedatives given in conjunction with bleeder medications and three were for stacking NSAIDS. Hardcore drugging going on there.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but did the wpra website say that bute, banamine and dex could be used, but only one of those? I might have read it wrong. |
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Herbie!! Owners fined for for drug violations!!!