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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| Who here has used a nebulizer on their horse that has inflammatory air way disease, resp. Infection or copd? Did you use rx meds or otc vapor solutions? Do you use it regularly for maintainence? And if so what is your regimen. Thanks!
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Location: Texas | I'm on a pre order list for a nebulizer that I saw at Glen Rose. I believe in that stuff for sure. I know the units can be expensive but this one is fairly affordable. She has has own OTC solution but said the nebulizer will work on anything, so I plan on doing both. I don't know about regimens yet. I know with her solution she said to do a 30 min treatment within 2 hours of running. |
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| I am curious to! I just purchased a aeromask from someone who never even used it and a human nebulizer unit to hook up to it. I haven't gotten it in the mail yet. |
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Location: Texas | It might have been Equi-Resp. She doesn't have a website yet but I bet I could track her down on FB or something for you. |
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| casualdust07 - 2014-11-04 12:14 PM
It might have been Equi-Resp. She doesn't have a website yet but I bet I could track her down on FB or something for you.
that would be great! Also, if you don't mind me asking, how much does the nebulizer unit with a horse mask cost from her? The flexineb unit is about a 1000 dollars. |
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| We have the Fleixneb and let me tell you if you have lots to nebulize this is the way to go! It runs off a battery and you don't need extension cords like some of the other options. |
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| I have had severe respiratory problems with 2 of my horses, they have been scope multiple times and tried multiple meds. From the research I have done inhaled steroids are much more effective and safer for the horses system. I have taken to several different vets but no one seems to understand the inhaled steroids. What meds have you used in nebulizer and which vets have you used. Sorry so long just looking for answers. |
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Location: Lost in the swamps | I am interested to learn more about the IAD since my horse is just diagnosed with a very mild case. I have made environmental changes,no stalling,wetting down everything. Not going to dusty pens,waiting I the results of the bal wash. To determine treatment.And have him on dex which is helping but I hate!!! What other things have you done to help your horses with IAD? Clembuterol before a run?nevulizers treatments? I have read a lot! Just don't have much experience in the respirtory dept! |
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| A while ago, I had a decent (placed at WPRA rodeos) barrel horse with airway problems. I gave him human Albuterol about 20 minutes before we ran. I made my own Inhaler by cutting off the large end of a 5 gallon water jug. We would put his nose inside the large opening of the water jug and squirt the Albuterol in the small opening. It seemed to really help him and it did not cost a small fortune. |
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Location: OK panhandle | You all should check out www.silverhorsecare.com it's way more affordable nebulizer and works awesome, I have one and love it. I use it on my mare that bleeds, I got it when she bled and got an infection from it and was able to mix antibiotic and silver for treatment, cleared it right up, breathing great now. I now use it couple times a week as maintenance and you can nebulize with just the silver prior to running. My parents are using the same unit on their racehorses at Los Alamitos. Collidial Silver works amazing for breathing, can't say enough good things about it and Becky w/Silver Horse Care has done her research and answered many questions for me, walked me through everything. I'm firm believer in the nebulizing but I couldn't afford the nebulizers advertised at almost $1000, this one works just as good, not near the price. |
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Location: Texas | Equi Resp uses a silver too. It's not colloidal its a smaller molecule.
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| thanks for the info! |
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| I use the Flexib and it works amazing. My horse has allergies, respiratory issues, you name it he has it. I have been using it for a month and my vet can't believe what a difference it is making. I use it twice a day. In the morning I do 10cc of a mixture of saline and eucalyptus oil and at night or an hour out from a run 10cc of just saline. The ratio for the mixture is 250 ml of saline and 1 1/4 cc of eucalyptus oil. I put it in a water bottle or something like that and then just shake it up and draw out 10cc when I need it. It has been the best thing I have found. He is a true 1 d horse. |
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| Do u get your normal saline from vet and where do u get the oil? |
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Location: Aubrey, Texas | Hi, everyone! i haven't been on BHW in forever, but I've been lurking lately and saw this post and thought, "Holy Serendipity!" Tonda Collins, the lady who was at Glen Rose this past weekend, is a friend of mine. I bought my current barrel horse, Smoke, from her and she was just down here today to get him started on breathing treatments! I've been waiting for her to get her product on the market and now she's done it. Her website will be up this weekend: www.equi-resp.com. You can reach her at her email: equiresp@pldi.net; she also sells the flexineb that someone mentioned. |
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| sport565 - 2014-11-05 7:51 PM
Do u get your normal saline from vet and where do u get the oil?
I get the saline from my vet and I went to a health store and bought the best eucalyptus that they have. You can also get it at the drug store but I decided to get the most purest. |
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| anybody else bought the equi-resp and whats your thoughts been so far? |
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Location: Texas | cloverleaf - 2014-11-05 8:53 PM
Hi, everyone! i haven't been on BHW in forever, but I've been lurking lately and saw this post and thought, "Holy Serendipity!" Tonda Collins, the lady who was at Glen Rose this past weekend, is a friend of mine. I bought my current barrel horse, Smoke, from her and she was just down here today to get him started on breathing treatments! I've been waiting for her to get her product on the market and now she's done it. Her website will be up this weekend: www.equi-resp.com. You can reach her at her email: equiresp@pldi.net; she also sells the flexineb that someone mentioned.
Yep we use our Equi-Resp religiously... we have fluticasone from the vet that is actually in the human nose spray bottle.. we spray it in the hole the tube fits in on the mask. Then after that we do a 25 min treatment with her silver solution. Hoping it really helps this mare, we will run her in January for the first time since Glen Rose. |
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| bump.... any more feedback on the equi-resp or silver horse care? |
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Location: Bandera, TX | I've used one for a couple of decades now. When they get an infection its best to 'Know' the agent causing the problem and then treat with the appropriate meds. I don't always do a test. (BAL) If I have something that doesn't clear up then we do. I have a horse reacting to allergens right now. So she's going to be getting some colloidal silver treatments daily. I will try albuterol via syrup 30 min. prior to her next ride. My favorite use of albuterol is via nebulizer. I feel the horse doesn't get the untoward effects of the albuterol on the heart as much as the syrup. I also have not seen them sweat as much via the nebulized method. I use both and I feel that you need to know how their going to react so you better use it in the practice pen prior to a run. If I'm suspecting RAO after this allergy season is over I will most likely use serevent on her. OR! try some essential oils via the nebulizer.
A number of different drugs can be used in the inhalers
depending on the severity of the horse’s condition:
steroid anti-inflammatories (beclamethasone and
fluticasone) – improve lung function by reducing
inflammation and mucus production;
bronchodilators (salbutamol and ipratropium
bromide) – relieve airway constriction and enlarge
the airways to allow greater subsequent penetration
of other inhaled medications;
inflammatory cell stabilisers (sodium cromoglycate)
– used to prevent RAO for short periods;
antibiotics (gentamycin and ceftiofur) – can
be used in the treatment of pneumonia and
pleuropneumonia.
I've not used the mast cell stabilizers so hopefully someone on the board can tell you their thoughts on using them.
I'm going to treat any bleeder with antibiotics post a bleed and I've used both of the above and I've even used oxytetracycline as a last resort and had great results. (I do know of others that used it and horses have died.)
Someone mentioned the flexineb, that will be the next major horse purchase for me when my current MDI device and my inhaler quit working for me. They are simple and easy to use and no hoses or wires! Hands down a gold star winner for the complete tack room.
Just remember, any time you use a longer acting steroid treatment on the horse you need to "staircase down the dosage" prior to ceasation. |
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Location: Here | kaleydanielle - 2015-01-14 3:38 PM bump.... any more feedback on the equi-resp or silver horse care?
I would like info too... Interesing info |
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Location: Aubrey, Texas | If you are like me, and like to do your own research, you can go to Mickey Ballew's website, www.equisilver.com; Mickey is the one who formulated the chelated silver that Tonda uses in her Equi-Resp and he has several articles listed as references. "Breathing Silver" explains the difference between Chelated silver and Colloidal silver- |
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| I am so excited to see so many people discussing nebulizing these days! Respiratory issues it has been said amount to over 25% of all vet calls. Dust, pollutants, viruses and bacteria play havoc with a horses respiratory system. Horses just like humans are becoming resistant to antibiotics and inhalers are expensive as well. Nebulizing has been a way of life in the human world and now it is becoming more mainstream in the equine world.
A lot of talk is going around concerning silver. Silver has been used in the medical world for years. There is not a hospital around that does not have some form of silver in their wound care regiment.
But silver for nebulizing is a different story. You have two forms of silver on the market that have been used for nebulizing, colloidal and chelated. Colloidal silver is readily available in health food stores and all over the internet. There are also as many websites and stories that contradict the validity of colloidal in health care. Colloidal silver, if made properly is 30-40 parts per million. Chelated silver is 100-120 parts per million. And that is the big difference when it comes to nebulizing! The smaller the particle size, the easier it is for the equipment to get the silver deep into the respiratory system. Large particles will not nebulize properly if at all, or need ultrasonic nebulizers to work. This is one reason, companies like Flexineb or the Centurion Transrespirator have protocols for chelated silver not just silver. The chelated silver used by them has been on the market for 10 years and was developed specifically for nebulizing in the equine world. When I started researching this over 2 years ago, I was fortunate to talk to some of the top vets in the world and learn they use it and even sell it in their pharmacies. The Olympic Equestrian team used it in both China and England and it is approved by the Jockey Club. That sold me!
I believe everyone should do their research before putting anything is a horse's lungs! And I am glad to see so many people doing just that.
So just as one last thing when you are researching, here are a few things you need to look for: Is it made in a reputable lab? What is the particle size? Does it have color? If so, beware, it may have some form of dye or food coloring in it. And always, always talk to your vet before using anything in your horses lungs!! |
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Location: Here | uno-dos-tres! - 2015-01-15 5:25 AM I've used one for a couple of decades now. When they get an infection its best to 'Know' the agent causing the problem and then treat with the appropriate meds. I don't always do a test. (BAL) If I have something that doesn't clear up then we do. I have a horse reacting to allergens right now. So she's going to be getting some colloidal silver treatments daily. I will try albuterol via syrup 30 min. prior to her next ride. My favorite use of albuterol is via nebulizer. I feel the horse doesn't get the untoward effects of the albuterol on the heart as much as the syrup. I also have not seen them sweat as much via the nebulized method. I use both and I feel that you need to know how their going to react so you better use it in the practice pen prior to a run. If I'm suspecting RAO after this allergy season is over I will most likely use serevent on her. OR! try some essential oils via the nebulizer.
A number of different drugs can be used in the inhalers
depending on the severity of the horse’s condition:
steroid anti-inflammatories (beclamethasone and
fluticasone) – improve lung function by reducing
inflammation and mucus production;
bronchodilators (salbutamol and ipratropium
bromide) – relieve airway constriction and enlarge
the airways to allow greater subsequent penetration
of other inhaled medications;
inflammatory cell stabilisers (sodium cromoglycate)
– used to prevent RAO for short periods;
antibiotics (gentamycin and ceftiofur) – can
be used in the treatment of pneumonia and
pleuropneumonia.
I've not used the mast cell stabilizers so hopefully someone on the board can tell you their thoughts on using them.
I'm going to treat any bleeder with antibiotics post a bleed and I've used both of the above and I've even used oxytetracycline as a last resort and had great results. (I do know of others that used it and horses have died.)
Someone mentioned the flexineb, that will be the next major horse purchase for me when my current MDI device and my inhaler quit working for me. They are simple and easy to use and no hoses or wires! Hands down a gold star winner for the complete tack room.
Just remember, any time you use a longer acting steroid treatment on the horse you need to "staircase down the dosage" prior to ceasation.
Thank you this is what I was looking for |
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Location: MS | I've been using the Silver Horse Care nebulizer with great results.
It's very reasonable. Becky worked with my vet to come up with a treatment plan. Finally something that will really help my bleeder. |
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| I would like to see "proof in the pudding" of why Chelated Silver is more effective than colloidal silver... not just because "so & so said so" information.... |
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Location: Middle Tennessee | I just ordered a nebulizer and some equisilver for one of my horses. Does anyone know if the bottle of equisilver has instructions? |
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Location: Lala Land | RodeoGirlJodi - 2015-02-03 9:56 AM
I just ordered a nebulizer and some equisilver for one of my horses. Does anyone know if the bottle of equisilver has instructions?
There are instructions on their web-site and I believe Equi-resp has instructions also. |
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Location: MN | I never tried the silver products but ordered my treatments out f Canada as they are MUCH cheaper |
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Location: Dubach, LA | I'm not putting anything deep into my horses lungs that comes with instructions from the manufacturer. There's a reason those smart kids go to school for 8 years to become a veternarian.
I'm also not giving steriods to my horse "just because" he might run faster. If you've ever taken steriods, you should know it not funny.
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Location: Alberta, Canada | I have a mare on a nebulizer. Only use it during the season and a few days before-a few days after runs. She's on flovent (steroid) and salbutimol (non-steroid).
My mare has an immune issue however and steroids are EXTREMELY hard on her lymphatic system... Steroids are hard on any horse's immune and lymphatic but this mare it is scary... even my vet didnt believe me until she saw her again after a two week period of injectable steroids when she was first diagnosed lol.
Thus, we are trying herbal remedies suggested by a guy who does live blood cell analysis. He has a very high success rate and saved the life of a good friends horse with similar issues. She's been on his suggested supplements for two weeks now and seems to be improving but I am just in the process of bringing her back from winter break so hard to really tell. He guarantees she should be able to make a run steroid free within another 2-3 weeks so we'll see. Will save me alot of money, time and my mare's body if he can work his miracles. |
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| snoopy - 2015-02-03 6:34 PM I never tried the silver products but ordered my treatments out f Canada as they are MUCH cheaper
Do you get RX meds or OTC meds from Canada and what website do you use??? |
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Location: MN | canadapharmacyonline.com, they are prescription, but my vet was more than happy to write it and help save me money!! |
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