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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Soooo I'm not going to link the ad because it's someone I somewhat know but... I saw an add on facebook for a: Finished Arabian Gelding who is supposedly clocking in the 4D...
I've never seen an Arabian in the barrel pen... Like. EVER. Educate me! Is this a thing now? I've only ever run Quarters or half quarter half Thoroughbreds. I guess I'm too close minded? I know a few people who run different breeds, but not many...
I know we have at least one person on here who raises Arabs because i've read the signature lol so let's hear the stories of your not so conventional barrel horses! |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | There was a post on this exact thing within the last week or so. Arabs may not be as fast out of the hole but theyre agile enough they don't have to slow down on their turns and they start speeding up when other breeds start fading. I started our polish bred arab on barrels and used him for sorting. They can definitely run a 4d time, and faster. Al Marah uses Arabs for ranch work. Look up Sheila Varian as well. They're very versatile. |
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Location: Minnesota | Breed doesn't always make the horse. Heart and try are just as important IMO. You said it best when you said your too closed minded. I think its a very powerful thing to be under estimated in a world that can be so hard to anything that isn't the norm. I'd give that horse a chance any day of the week. After all, being an underestimated underdog can have sweet sweet rewards when you kick some butt against people who didn't even think you were on the same level. 
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| I graduated from my mid sized pony to an Arabian mare as a kid back in the 80's. She ran what would have been 3-4D times nowadays, and was a 21 second pole horse. I got a lot of sneers and snide comments from a couple spoiled brats but looking back, she was a great transition for me to 'big horses'. She had the agility to do well and the try of Secretariat. Lol! I think they make great kids barrel horses, since you don't have to fear the power of a big QH but they can still be competitive. |
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Location: LaBelle, Florida | I usually see at least one or two Arabs running down here in Fla. I ran one and if I had not sold him, he would have been competive in at least 3d.
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | I have a friend that had 2 Arabians. Momma and daughter that were both VERY good barrel horses. They didn't run with the big dogs but could place at smaller speed shows. I believe any horse could run barrels. |
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| It is very common for arabs to be in barrels, they're not always 1D horses but very quick usually. Its also common for Quarabs and multiple other breeds...
Paints
Appaloosas
TB
Morgans
Arabs
Any many crossed... with 2 or more of the above. I see them all the time up here at the local barrel races and shows.
I ran a Morgan/Paint for a client when I was younger. He was a solid 2D locally, 3D at the big shows. Jam up pole horse and could do the other fun show type events and win.
Also ran 2 arabs for clients - one was 2d/3D also and the other 3D/4D and both 21sec pole horses.
We even had a saddlebred/?? something as a kid growing up... he wasn't good at barrels (did them but probably was 4D at best) but won poles almost everywhere he went in his younger days.
I ran a grade appaloosa and he was one of the fastest, stoutest, nicest geldings. He was 1D locally, 2D at the big stuff.
I had another client horse that was an appaloosa/TB - boy was she ugly but she was easily 1D in any arena.
Im sure I can remember more but I love a grade horse with some heart!
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Location: Florida.. | of course they can run barrels..arabs are smart to.. and agile and fast.. |
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Location: Louisiana | There is a professional working cow horse trainer near me with a barn full of Arabians, with several champion stallions. I know typically the only Quarters in his barn are outside clients. I actually took riding lessons under his daughter who mainly showed English when I was in Kindergarten. I was on her old Arab gelding. Gosh that was a long time ago!! She still gives lessons too, my best friend brings her step-daughter to her.
We have a half quarter-half Arab in our barn. My mom bought him for any of our little cousins to ride when they come over. He is the perfect kids horse bc he goes whatever speed they ask. My sister has entered him for fun and he is about 4-D. I have breezed him through the poles and he about left me in the dirt lol, I think someone younger than me who can keep rythm with him could be a low 21 at least. He LOVES poles.
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Location: Alberta | Bibliafarm - 2014-11-04 5:31 PM of course they can run barrels..arabs are smart to.. and agile and fast..
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Location: Ky | You are talking about running 2 seconds off the winning time. Of course and Arab can do that. So could a donkey. Time management and racing really shouldn't be considered the same thing but it is. |
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| stayceem - 2014-11-04 7:15 PM It is very common for arabs to be in barrels, they're not always 1D horses but very quick usually. Its also common for Quarabs and multiple other breeds... Paints Appaloosas TB Morgans Arabs Any many crossed... with 2 or more of the above. I see them all the time up here at the local barrel races and shows. I ran a Morgan/Paint for a client when I was younger. He was a solid 2D locally, 3D at the big shows. Jam up pole horse and could do the other fun show type events and win. Also ran 2 arabs for clients - one was 2d/3D also and the other 3D/4D and both 21sec pole horses. We even had a saddlebred/?? something as a kid growing up... he wasn't good at barrels (did them but probably was 4D at best) but won poles almost everywhere he went in his younger days. I ran a grade appaloosa and he was one of the fastest, stoutest, nicest geldings. He was 1D locally, 2D at the big stuff. I had another client horse that was an appaloosa/TB - boy was she ugly but she was easily 1D in any arena. Im sure I can remember more but I love a grade horse with some heart!
They're not always 1D? I've personally never known of an Arab being in the 1D, 2D or 3D. I have known of several that were very consistent and solid 4D horses. One gal I knew had an Arab that placed in the 4D almost every race and won quite a few 4D end of year saddles and went to NBHA World show every year in the 4D. Just out of curiosity, have you ever known of an Arab being in the 1D at a show with more than 25 riders? |
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Location: Florida.. | runs4fun - 2014-11-04 8:16 PM stayceem - 2014-11-04 7:15 PM It is very common for arabs to be in barrels, they're not always 1D horses but very quick usually. Its also common for Quarabs and multiple other breeds... Paints Appaloosas TB Morgans Arabs Any many crossed... with 2 or more of the above. I see them all the time up here at the local barrel races and shows. I ran a Morgan/Paint for a client when I was younger. He was a solid 2D locally, 3D at the big shows. Jam up pole horse and could do the other fun show type events and win. Also ran 2 arabs for clients - one was 2d/3D also and the other 3D/4D and both 21sec pole horses. We even had a saddlebred/?? something as a kid growing up... he wasn't good at barrels (did them but probably was 4D at best) but won poles almost everywhere he went in his younger days. I ran a grade appaloosa and he was one of the fastest, stoutest, nicest geldings. He was 1D locally, 2D at the big stuff. I had another client horse that was an appaloosa/TB - boy was she ugly but she was easily 1D in any arena. Im sure I can remember more but I love a grade horse with some heart! They're not always 1D? I've personally never known of an Arab being in the 1D, 2D or 3D. I have known of several that were very consistent and solid 4D horses. One gal I knew had an Arab that placed in the 4D almost every race and won quite a few 4D end of year saddles and went to NBHA World show every year in the 4D. Just out of curiosity, have you ever known of an Arab being in the 1D at a show with more than 25 riders?
but the ad said this and the OP couldnt believe it..
I dont know why she thought it was odd..
"Finished Arabian Gelding who is supposedly clocking in the 4D...
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| Bibliafarm - 2014-11-04 7:19 PM
runs4fun - 2014-11-04 8:16 PM stayceem - 2014-11-04 7:15 PM It is very common for arabs to be in barrels, they're not always 1D horses but very quick usually. Its also common for Quarabs and multiple other breeds... Paints Appaloosas TB Morgans Arabs Any many crossed... with 2 or more of the above. I see them all the time up here at the local barrel races and shows. I ran a Morgan/Paint for a client when I was younger. He was a solid 2D locally, 3D at the big shows. Jam up pole horse and could do the other fun show type events and win. Also ran 2 arabs for clients - one was 2d/3D also and the other 3D/4D and both 21sec pole horses. We even had a saddlebred/?? something as a kid growing up... he wasn't good at barrels (did them but probably was 4D at best) but won poles almost everywhere he went in his younger days. I ran a grade appaloosa and he was one of the fastest, stoutest, nicest geldings. He was 1D locally, 2D at the big stuff. I had another client horse that was an appaloosa/TB - boy was she ugly but she was easily 1D in any arena. Im sure I can remember more but I love a grade horse with some heart! They're not always 1D? I've personally never known of an Arab being in the 1D, 2D or 3D. I have known of several that were very consistent and solid 4D horses. One gal I knew had an Arab that placed in the 4D almost every race and won quite a few 4D end of year saddles and went to NBHA World show every year in the 4D. Just out of curiosity, have you ever known of an Arab being in the 1D at a show with more than 25 riders?
I dont know why she thought it was odd..
"Finished Arabian Gelding who is supposedly clocking in the 4D...
I guess what I meant is they MAY not be 1D barrel horses but per my post, I have personally ridden seen 2D/3D/4D arabs... and yes with entries far more than 25 |
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Location: Louisiana | jd&ez - 2014-11-04 7:09 PM You are talking about running 2 seconds off the winning time. Of course and Arab can do that. So could a donkey. Time management and racing really shouldn't be considered the same thing but it is.
I find this comment to be very offensive. Perhaps you should read the positivity rant by Fallon :)
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | dashnlotti - 2014-11-04 7:35 PM jd&ez - 2014-11-04 7:09 PM You are talking about running 2 seconds off the winning time. Of course and Arab can do that. So could a donkey. Time management and racing really shouldn't be considered the same thing but it is.
I agree......Years ago, I helped a young man with his mare (Arabian) on the barrel pattern. They went out and BEAT the pants off of a lot of high powered horses (rodeo horses/state champions, etc). And that was back when you didn't have "Ds"......YOu had to run to win and she flat OUT RAN them.....
Oh....and they used to say the same thing about appaloosas and paints...... |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Oh I have seen a few Arabian's hold their own on running barrels and poles |
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Location: on my horse | I had a 1D local shows (still over 100 entries) 2D big shows half arabian mare. She would absolutely run the legs off just about anything I've ever ridden. She was stunning, powerful, and athletic. Ran top end times until her death at 23 (injury related). I posted about her on the other thread as well but forgot to add she was also a stellar pole horse. She never felt like she was hauling a** like she was, the first time I entered her I was floored because she was so smooth and easy to ride she felt like she was barely moving.
So to answer your question, it is a thing lol
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Location: Fort Bragg North Carolina | I own a 2-3D Arabian and runs 21-22 pole pattern they do exist. Oh and that's with more than 25 entries lol :) |
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| IRunOnFaith - 2014-11-04 6:11 PM ... I guess I'm too close minded? ...
Well, at least you know that about yourself. |
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Location: Midwest | A buddy of mine has a grade Arab cross that beats the pants of lots of folks locally in IBRA's at poles and barrels in youth, as well as in 4H.
It's rare to see one at the elite of our sport, but if you want to compete locally and have fun, they can be competitive and solid horses. |
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| again with this? someone link to that last thread...
my 1/2 arab is a 21 second pole horse. 1D all day long. All he does is lift in his shoulder area and basically runs a straight line thru the poles - it's awesome.
He is a 2D barrel horse when you hustle him too. This is against some very decent horses. NFR, no but tough competition non the less. |
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| jd&ez - 2014-11-04 5:09 PM You are talking about running 2 seconds off the winning time. Of course and Arab can do that. So could a donkey. Time management and racing really shouldn't be considered the same thing but it is.
I disagree although Arabs are not to my liking I think they can run better than a donkey or some other breeds. Even if it's in the 4d. Around here in the winter the 1d on a STANDARD pattern is around a 16.7. The big pro girls run that. That means the 4d time is a 18.7 that is still respectable in my book |
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Location: Winging It in KY | I agree......Years ago, I helped a young man with his mare (Arabian) on the barrel pattern. They went out and BEAT the pants off of a lot of high powered horses (rodeo horses/state champions, etc). And that was back when you didn't have "Ds"......YOu had to run to win and she flat OUT RAN them.....
Oh....and they used to say the same thing about appaloosas and paints......
I had a saddlebred that I did everything with, barrels, dressage, jumping, cross country. He did not look like your typical saddlebred, he was a palomino and came with papers that matched his markings. Now this will show my age but it was back before divisional barrel races. You ran to win. He was a really nice horse in every thing he did. He was all I had, I could not afford anything else, and he won me plenty. Paid for himself over and over again. He had heart and grit beyond belief. That is what makes a good horse, they do not have to be a specific breed. They do not know that they are different. |
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| We have a couple of people who run arabians up here in Iowa. Some are full blood and some are 1/2 Arab 1/2 Quarter. They have run anywhere from 2D to 4D usually. There is one lady who is just starting a new 1/2 and 1/2 ran a couple of 1D times towards the end of the fall.
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Location: Kentucky | I've seen a lot of Arab and Arab crosses that were some awesome 4H horses. They were competitive in almost everything they did. |
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | I think it's more of a shock to the rodeo and barrel racer world because it used to ( still is ) that the only horses who would ever win anything were Quarter Horses. Anything other than QH were a joke. Now people have been running these Arabs, Arabs X's, these horses that are other than QH, and people don't seem to accept it. They have QH stuck in their brains and nothing else. Which yes, you don't see Arab running in the NFR, but doesn't mean that they can't run some nice patterns and make nice horses. |
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| QH<3er - 2014-11-05 8:17 AM I think it's more of a shock to the rodeo and barrel racer world because it used to ( still is ) that the only horses who would ever win anything were Quarter Horses. Anything other than QH were a joke. Now people have been running these Arabs, Arabs X's, these horses that are other than QH, and people don't seem to accept it. They have QH stuck in their brains and nothing else. Which yes, you don't see Arab running in the NFR, but doesn't mean that they can't run some nice patterns and make nice horses.
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| My first real barrel horse was a Arab/QH and he was a solid 3D/4D horse. In poles though he could run with the best of them. He held the pole weaving record in our state for years, but could run a 20 second pole bending time. He was so athletic and quick! |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Well, I've definitly learned a lot:) How about everyone else?
I know all about the heart and guts and try that horses have to have for barrels and I wasn't trying to dock that at all. I personally just didn't see Arabian horses with barrels in mind. I'd always look at them and think Jumpers, Racing, Dressage, and costume classes because of how beautiful they are.... I'm not sure why I never thought barrels? I've just never ever heard of a full blood running barrels before. Especially here in TX. Not because they weren't "Able" or because they weren't smart enough. I just never looked at them and thought "Wow, he's really athletic and smart, I wonder if he would like barrels?" Just always thought "Man, He'd be a great jumper, let's start him on ground work." I've heard of Quarabs and mixes, but never full blood that's why I was like: Wait, what??
Glad to hear all the successful stories tho!! Maybe I should get out of my Quarters and OTTB's only and expand my experience a bit. I think it'd be interesting! Plus I'd look dang good on a gorgeous full blood with my hair blowing in the breeze...  LOL |
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Location: Texas | I started riding and eventually barrel racing on an arab/QH. That thing was crazy at best, his wiring was a little off and I don't think I could blame it on the arab part of him. He was just... crazy. You wouldn't get me in the same pen as a horse like him today... but oddly enough I wasn't a bit scared of him and actually that he was "amazing!". lol (I was 8 when I first started riding him)
We weren't breaking any land speed records barrel racing but we did ok for my riding level. At that point in my life I didn't need a 1D horse, so it worked out. 4D was where I needed to be lol. There is a place for 4D horses. People just learning, people who are trying to gain confidence again, people who don't want to go zoom-splat...
I think if you want to be at the top a QH is what you need, but if you just want to go have fun it doesn't matter what you are on.
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Location: Lost in the corn of Iowa. | In our NBHA District a lady that runs Arabs has just won the year end 2D on her little arab. And her daughter I think has sown up the 4D in the youth as well on a different arab. I think it's great. |
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Location: USA | Arabians are very quick and I've even seen around here a TWH/QH mix running consistent 1D times believe it or not And also, appaloosas were bred for speed. But the QH got noted for more of quick bursts of speed and because they can run a quarter mile pretty, dang fast, Lol :D Some just faster than others
But I believe it's all about try and heart. Cause when their heart is into it and the enjoy doing their job and their confident in what they do. Their sure to come out on top |
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Location: Fort Bragg North Carolina | They do exist :O hehe
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Location: MD | You're too close minded.
There's a girl around here that runs a donkey and clocks. Anything can happen when you put your mind to it. |
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Location: South Central Florida | There is one here in Florida near us that is full registered Arab and she clocks in the Open 2D and sometimes in the 1D at our big shows. She is also small and doesn't look like she should ever be able to do what she does. No explaination for it, just has heart. She is a mean little cuss too, but I love her and love to watch her run.
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | I have learned you can't count anything out in barrel racing.
Heck a half welsh pony and half TB made it to the NFR for years!
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| jd&ez - 2014-11-04 5:09 PM
You are talking about running 2 seconds off the winning time. Of course and Arab can do that. So could a donkey. Time management and racing really shouldn't be considered the same thing but it is.
Don't know where you're running, but here a donkey could hit maybe the 7D 
I have seen a Saddlebred-Arabian cross do speed events. The mare has a good handle and is actually quite quick. |
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Location: Deep South | cindyt - 2014-11-12 7:55 AM
I have learned you can't count anything out in barrel racing.
Heck a half welsh pony and half TB made it to the NFR for years!
Yep!! 3 NFR's and LTE's of $200,000!
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Location: OH. IO | There was a nice girl here in ohio that ran a TRUE 1D arabian.that team would knock your socks off everytime they showed up. In their little somewhat rusty 2 horse straight load. Lol
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