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| Just curious how others would handle something like this. When you sell a cheap, broke colt with "issues", non dangerous, but would require an experienced rider, and you are very upfront and honest about these issues, and state that the horse is being sold because of these issues.... and then buyer takes colt home for a few days and then decides they can't deal with the issues and wants to send him back.... what do you do? He was sold with a "with all faults, as is" contract. Just wondering how others handle this. Never had it happen before. |
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  Playing the Waiting Game
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| Sold is sold.. Unless you have an attachment to the colt.. Thier problem now. |
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Location: on a horse | Agreed! You told them, they took him "as is" he is SOLD |
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| I am upset with this situation because I could not have possibly been more honest about the horse, and I do not enjoy being made out to be the bad guy. If I took him back, I would be out time and money of hauling the horse around for them to try and I don't believe I should have to take a loss in the situation. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | You sold the colt and you were honest with the buyers and they bought him anyways, so I say SOLD.  |
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| They are ringing my phone off of the hook and I am unsure of the best way to handle them. It is very upsetting. I need a game plan. I sold him cheap, cheap because I did not wish to continue to try to work him through his issues anymore and while he didn't do anything wrong when they tried him, I SPECIFICALLY got video of him doing his little issue so that they could see what he was like. What a nightmare. |
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| I would not give a full refund.
You sold the horse as is, hopefully wrote a bill of sale. If you care for the well being of the horse, you could offer 1/2-3/4 of price up to 500 retained for services. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I agree with the others. I don't know why some people feel they want to take on issues and then change their mind later.
I did sell a young horse that was "off" but traveled sound. He just didn't feel like he was using himself right when he loped tight circles. So I sold him to someone I knew as a kid for a trail, ranch horse. He liked him, and from the start had plans to have him vetted. I sold him "as is" though, cheap. He was found to have a lot of hock issues, that were apparently painful even though the horse had a good heart and wasn't showing pain. I felt obligated to make up the difference after he sold him (asked if I wanted to make a pasture pet first). I was no way entitled to do this, but I am not in the business of selling cripples so made it right much to his surprise. |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | SoFast - 2014-11-07 7:08 PM They are ringing my phone off of the hook and I am unsure of the best way to handle them. It is very upsetting. I need a game plan. I sold him cheap, cheap because I did not wish to continue to try to work him through his issues anymore and while he didn't do anything wrong when they tried him, I SPECIFICALLY got video of him doing his little issue so that they could see what he was like. What a nightmare.
You need to tell them that you were upfront with them on his issues, and they need to back off, OR tell them that you will buy him back at half of what you sold him for so you wont be losing any money while you are reselling him. I dont know this was just throwing this out there .  |
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| D Maybe offer to deduct $45 per hour of your time and all fuel expenses if they want to return him?
Or tell them to pound sand. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Oh good glad I'm not the only one thinking this way about buying him back for half of what you sold him for. This would take care of the trouble that they are putting on you. |
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| He's sound as the day is long, just is half nutty... and I believe those were the exact words I used to describe him to the buyers! He doesn't buck, bite, kick, or anything like that. Just has a screw loose, I was upfront and said that I am not sure if it could be fixed with training, or just some more ride time, or if he will be that way forever. He's just goofy and I didn't care to deal with him anymore, and yes I said this to them, word for word. |
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| For inquiring minds, the issue is that he will spook, and go into a weird side pass dance. He does it a lot. He will sidepass around the arena for 5 minutes straight sometimes, and then when he quits he will just ride on perfectly, until he randomly does it again. I did not want to deal with it anymore. I never had him vetted and gave them an option for a vet check, which they denied, probably because the vet check would cost near the purchase price of the horse. I do not believe he is hurting, but not ruling it out. He is just an odd ball horse. |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | SoFast - 2014-11-07 6:52 PM Just curious how others would handle something like this. When you sell a cheap, broke colt with "issues", non dangerous, but would require an experienced rider, and you are very upfront and honest about these issues, and state that the horse is being sold because of these issues.... and then buyer takes colt home for a few days and then decides they can't deal with the issues and wants to send him back.... what do you do? He was sold with a "with all faults, as is" contract. Just wondering how others handle this. Never had it happen before.
How old is he? Do you have any pictures of him saddle up? |
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| He is 5. And he has always done it. We broke him to ride, have used him to move cows, done extensive arena work. It is just a random thing. Some days he never even considers it, some days you can not get a thing done with him. |
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| You were honest and they bought him anyway. He's their horse now. I'm so glad I don't sell any horses anymore! I don't know where it got started that you can just bring the horse back and get a refund if you weren't pleased with your purchase even if the seller was totally honest....who started that anyway??? You did nothing wrong...sounds like they looked at the price tag only and wanted something for nothing. I'd offer to help them sell the horse (by word of mouth only) but that's it. They may never speak to you again but you were honest and they bought him anyway. |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | SoFast - 2014-11-07 7:32 PM He is 5. And he has always done it. We broke him to ride, have used him to move cows, done extensive arena work. It is just a random thing. Some days he never even considers it, some days you can not get a thing done with him. Did you ever get his teeth done? Just asking questions trying to think of all the reasons why he would spook and run sideways. I wonder if maybe hes got some caps that could be bothering him.
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| I am 99% sure it is a behavioral thing. He has never taken a lame step, has had his teeth done, my husband is a farrier and horse trainer and has been for 30 years. We have never seen anything like it. |
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| Regardless of why he does it... he does do it, and I sold him because of it. I sold him with the knowledge that whoever bought him would have the responsibility of figuring out why he does it and/or how to fix it. |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | SoFast - 2014-11-07 7:52 PM I am 99% sure it is a behavioral thing. He has never taken a lame step, has had his teeth done, my husband is a farrier and horse trainer and has been for 30 years. We have never seen anything like it.
Oh well you sold him with them knowing his issues, hes theirs now and they need to deal with it. |
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Location: Ft Worth TX | sold with "as is" wording in Bill of Sale is all my lawyer said you need to have... in TX anyway... you disclosed the issues now its their problem! |
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Location: Kansas | Give them my number......I'll set them straight bahaha |
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Location: WV | Sounds like you just need to figure out what you want to do. If they bought him as you have described then I would leave it be and tell them to stop bothering you. Or you could do the offer to buy back at half the cost and try to resale, if you want to go threw all of the hassle again. Good Luck. |
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Location: Montana | Whoop Z Day Z - 2014-11-07 7:17 PM sold with "as is" wording in Bill of Sale is all my lawyer said you need to have... in TX anyway... you disclosed the issues now its their problem!
Same here in Montana on other things, never done it with a horse. I would say it is the new owners' problem. |
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Location: Oklahoma | After 40+ years of selling horses, I will tell you that no matter what you do, they're going to badmouth you. Don't worry about it and go on about your business. You told them the issues, you didn't twist their arm or hold a gun to their heads to buy the horse, they signed an "as is" contract and you have no obligation to even talk to them. If you offer to buy him back or help them in any way, you are admitting "guilt" in the eyes of the court and that could give them reason to sue (if they're so inclined). If that was a car and they bought it off a lot w/an "as is" contract, do you think the dealership would give them the time of day??? No. Block their number and forget about it. I swear no one takes personal responsibility for their actions any more. smh |
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| dianeguinn - 2014-11-08 1:31 AM
After 40+ years of selling horses, I will tell you that no matter what you do, they're going to badmouth you. Don't worry about it and go on about your business. You told them the issues, you didn't twist their arm or hold a gun to their heads to buy the horse, they signed an "as is" contract and you have no obligation to even talk to them. If you offer to buy him back or help them in any way, you are admitting "guilt" in the eyes of the court and that could give them reason to sue (if they're so inclined). If that was a car and they bought it off a lot w/an "as is" contract, do you think the dealership would give them the time of day??? No. Block their number and forget about it. I swear no one takes personal responsibility for their actions any more. smh
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Location: Midwest | I would not take the horse back. You gave full disclosure. |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | GLP - 2014-11-08 9:37 AM
dianeguinn - 2014-11-08 1:31 AM
After 40+ years of selling horses, I will tell you that no matter what you do, they're going to badmouth you. Don't worry about it and go on about your business. You told them the issues, you didn't twist their arm or hold a gun to their heads to buy the horse, they signed an "as is" contract and you have no obligation to even talk to them. If you offer to buy him back or help them in any way, you are admitting "guilt" in the eyes of the court and that could give them reason to sue (if they're so inclined). If that was a car and they bought it off a lot w/an "as is" contract, do you think the dealership would give them the time of day??? No. Block their number and forget about it. I swear no one takes personal responsibility for their actions any more. smh
This.
Yep... ^^ what she said!
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| I have a hard time with the badmouthing, it is really upsetting me and I really am not good at confrontation and don't feel prepared yet to respond, so I have not responded, but they are being very disrespectful. Accusing of drugging the horse and a whole schpeel of other things. 30+ years of selling horses and this is my first experience with an unhappy and unreasonable buyer.
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| You're always going to have people who don't want to take responsibility for their actions. I sold a horse, not cheap at all IMO, and made an "as is" contract.. Well, the next day they decided they didn't want him anymore because the girl couldn't get along with him. Long story short- I took him back and ended up with a horse that was lame for 8 months and still to this day has issues that he didn't have before I sold him. I learned that lesson the hard way. Sold with an "as is" contact means it's a done deal. You don't know how much worst they've made the issue by now or if he's even sound  |
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Depends on what state you are in. Verbal does not exist in some states, and in some states, verbal may be enforceable with witnesses, etc. Best to check with an attorney if it becomes an issue.
You did the right thing disclosing everything, I hope it works out well for you.
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | dianeguinn - 2014-11-08 1:31 AM After 40+ years of selling horses, I will tell you that no matter what you do, they're going to badmouth you. Don't worry about it and go on about your business. You told them the issues, you didn't twist their arm or hold a gun to their heads to buy the horse, they signed an "as is" contract and you have no obligation to even talk to them. If you offer to buy him back or help them in any way, you are admitting "guilt" in the eyes of the court and that could give them reason to sue (if they're so inclined). If that was a car and they bought it off a lot w/an "as is" contract, do you think the dealership would give them the time of day??? No. Block their number and forget about it. I swear no one takes personal responsibility for their actions any more. smh
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | There's a lot of people out there like that unfortunately.
I agree -- you were honest and up front and they knew what they were getting into.
Another option would be that they feed & take care of the horse while you help them sell it and then they give you a nice finders fee --- at least that way no one would be out any money up front.
Unfortunately, they sound like the type to dump one off at a sale. That part would worry me and because of that I would try to either buy him back or help them sell him. |
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Location: N Texas | dianeguinn - 2014-11-08 1:31 AM
After 40+ years of selling horses, I will tell you that no matter what you do, they're going to badmouth you. Don't worry about it and go on about your business. You told them the issues, you didn't twist their arm or hold a gun to their heads to buy the horse, they signed an "as is" contract and you have no obligation to even talk to them. If you offer to buy him back or help them in any way, you are admitting "guilt" in the eyes of the court and that could give them reason to sue (if they're so inclined). If that was a car and they bought it off a lot w/an "as is" contract, do you think the dealership would give them the time of day??? No. Block their number and forget about it. I swear no one takes personal responsibility for their actions any more. smh
Ditto!
I personally would NOT take it back, even at half the sale price. I hate selling horses, so when one is gone, it's GONE! They knew the issue and bought him anyways. |
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| The latest is that they claim he is a bronc and that I "guaranteed him not to buck", which I would never guarantee anything on any animal, however I did say that he had never offered to buck with us, and that is the truth. Nightmare. |
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | Do they realize they purchased an animal with a mind of it own? That you do not control his mind of what not to do?? Pssshhh guarantee not to buck... That's about as crazy as selling a dog and guaranteeing it not to bark!? |
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Location: CA | It appears he has been with them long enough to develope new behavioral issues. Remember that should you ever have conversations with these people. Sold is sold, and even if you didn't tell them of the problems it wouldn't matter. Be the best person you can be and let the fools go. |
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| Agree, if you were honest and they bought him knowing...its their problem now. |
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| Gunner11 - 2014-11-10 10:31 AM dianeguinn - 2014-11-08 1:31 AM After 40+ years of selling horses, I will tell you that no matter what you do, they're going to badmouth you. Don't worry about it and go on about your business. You told them the issues, you didn't twist their arm or hold a gun to their heads to buy the horse, they signed an "as is" contract and you have no obligation to even talk to them. If you offer to buy him back or help them in any way, you are admitting "guilt" in the eyes of the court and that could give them reason to sue (if they're so inclined). If that was a car and they bought it off a lot w/an "as is" contract, do you think the dealership would give them the time of day??? No. Block their number and forget about it. I swear no one takes personal responsibility for their actions any more. smh Ditto! I personally would NOT take it back, even at half the sale price. I hate selling horses, so when one is gone, it's GONE! They knew the issue and bought him anyways.
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When you sell a horse with "issues"