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Miss Not Exciting
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Location: Ft Worth TX | Please tell me if I am missing something here or if this is a dumb question. A lot of jumpers use horseshoe studs on their shoes in different ground conditions from snow to boggy mud to firm ground to help their horses keep their feet and have confidence. Why don't barrel racers use horse shoe studs in the barrel pen? |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Too much torque on sharp turns. Jumpers never have to do 360s... |
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Location: In my own little world | Some do use them when they feel they need them. But not something they do frequently. |
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Industrial Srength Barrel Racer
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| Who in the heck has a shoer that would show up to switch up shoes that often! |
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Sock Snob
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| Too much torque on horses joints.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | You would either torque the joints, or they would turn out of their shoes. I had one that frequently turned out of his rear shoes if you put rims on him--he set hard and rolled back and would lose his butt sometimes, but too much grip would tear him up. |
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| I had a friend put boron their shoes to try it... she said it was too much grib and the horse couldn't turn properly with it. |
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Location: Up and over to the right | Some horses slide their hind end around the barrels, you'd be putting too much pressure on their joints by putting studs on and not letting them slide around. |
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| Griz - 2014-11-11 5:21 AM
Who in the heck has a shoer that would show up to switch up shoes that often!
You dont have to change them. the studs screw into their shoes from what I have seen. You just screw them in and out as you need them. |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | Too hard on joints in the hind end. |
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | To much grip and that means torn ligaments and worn out joints. Horses would be twisting their shoes off during turns, they need to beable to slide their hind end going into the barrels if you have a horse that gets on his butt watch a horse going into a barrel see what their back feet are doing and on their front end they have to give just a tiny bit.
Edited by Southtxponygirl 2014-11-11 8:58 AM
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Too busy outside!
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| Griz - 2014-11-11 4:21 AM Who in the heck has a shoer that would show up to switch up shoes that often!
I could mention some names who do this and are very succesful with it! They either shoe their horses themselves or have awesome hubbies that travel with them and do it when needed! :) |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Griz - 2014-11-11 5:21 AM
Who in the heck has a shoer that would show up to switch up shoes that often!
What they do is drill the hole in the shoe, tap it with threads and from there it takes but a minute to unscrew one type of stud and screw another in. They all have the same threads. |
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Industrial Srength Barrel Racer
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| TNcowgirl88 - 2014-11-11 8:24 AM Griz - 2014-11-11 5:21 AM Who in the heck has a shoer that would show up to switch up shoes that often! You dont have to change them. the studs screw into their shoes from what I have seen. You just screw them in and out as you need them.
I was being sarcastic! But no - WAY too much torque! The borium my ex put on some of the Kansas City carriage horses' shoes was applied sort of like a weld - you would have to grind it off - (or wear it off on the city streets, like those horses do). |
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Location: Midwest | It works well for Jumpers and eventers because 99% of the time, they don't have the type of a turn that a barrel racer has, and they often don't have as high a risk of interference with feet/legs either.
The studs would put too much torque on the legs, as others have said, due to the way a horse turns a barrel, not to mention the damage it would do if a horse clips himself around a barrel.
It's just too much turn for that much grab, like how a football player can tear ligaments if their spikes grab the ground too hard and they twist their leg the wrong way.
BTW, they are easy to put on and take off. They screw in and out and you put the plugs in when you have taken the studs out. |
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Location: North Dakota | I see a lot of barrel racers that think they know a lot about shoeing, and grip and they really don't know anything which means many like me, do not mess with things they don't know about, heck I see many debates on here as to whether rim shoes are too hard on a horse and then the next one says there is no way they will run a horse with sliders on but the very next race I've been to, there is sliders on some horses and rim shoes on many horses, then egg bars, some say no way the next, has no problem. For me, I don't have that much invested nor do I compete in high enough stakes to contemplate different options for different ground. I wonder if you ask this question to many of the pro girls what their answer would be? I would bet there are some that do different shoeing options for different ground, they just don't reveal their secrets :) |
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| LMS - 2014-11-11 9:57 AM
I see a lot of barrel racers that think they know a lot about shoeing, and grip and they really don't know anything which means many like me, do not mess with things they don't know about, heck I see many debates on here as to whether rim shoes are too hard on a horse and then the next one says there is no way they will run a horse with sliders on but the very next race I've been to, there is sliders on some horses and rim shoes on many horses, then egg bars, some say no way the next, has no problem. For me, I don't have that much invested nor do I compete in high enough stakes to contemplate different options for different ground. I wonder if you ask this question to many of the pro girls what their answer would be? I would bet there are some that do different shoeing options for different ground, they just don't reveal their secrets :)
I think people just get so lost in all the choices. theres so many shoe options, and throw that on top of all the different styles of runing and turning that do better with different types of shoes than others.
Some horses probly would really work in a sliding plate, the ones that slide all the way around, where you put then on a 4wheel drive and its a disaster, they need the traction, but too much traction on a slider type horse jams them up .... and so on lol!
To the OP I've seen some run in corks but when working that hard and turning that fast you have issues with too much traction. If your horse were to go down, fall or just stumble but thier foot is help in place huge injury can occur. On top of all the Karin form turning correctly, there really needs to be some give. |
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Miss Not Exciting
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Location: Ft Worth TX | I was kinda thinking to much torque on the joints for turning but was not sure because there are such a large array of studs to choose from- from itty bitty to big spike looking ones. Just a thought I was pondering. I would think if you were running somewhere pretty slick the horse may benefit from a very small stud- no more then a toe grab. |
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| Everyone uses ice nails at Pendleton. The on site shoers make a bunch of money putting them on and taking them off. I think it could work on some horses front ends depending on their turn style. I've used large head nails with plates and it gave just enough grab, tried rims and they were too much and soreing the horse up. It's not a dumb question. |
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Location: In my own little world | trickster j - 2014-11-11 7:53 AM Griz - 2014-11-11 4:21 AM Who in the heck has a shoer that would show up to switch up shoes that often!
You are exactly correct! If you don't think it is done you are kidding yourselves. And there are some pretty handy barrel racers that shoe their own horses too. I can guarantee they know what they are doing. Also borium and drilltek is very common in the north during the winter on all disciplines of horses. |
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 A very grounded girl
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Location: Moving soon..... | When the sidewinder shoes came out, I heard a lot of people saying that their horse ran so much faster. I tried them. My horse ran faster than he ever had before but, he was sore for over 2 weeks. My horseshoer at the time said the same as on this post, too much torque. We took those off and I decided that my horse was fine without them.
Edited by Karol 2014-11-12 11:11 AM
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MAY be a dumb question... WHY DONT BARREL RACERS USE HORSESHOE STUDS IN DIFFERENT GROUND CONDITIONS?