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 BHW's Lance Armstrong 
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | The UlcerCure OTC website is shutting down by November 17 midnight! If you want to make an order before then, better make it now.
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Location: Sapulpa, OK | Will we not be able to get it anymore after that? |
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  Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | wHAT??? What about my big plans to sell it after you go to jail??? I was counting on that moola! |
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| Can we still order by PM here? how can we get it so I can write it down. |
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Location: Winging It in KY | This is not good. Are we going to still be able to get it in the future? |
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BHW's Lance Armstrong
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Can not promote curing ulcers.
Product labeling can not show the product is intended for use in the mitigation, treatment or prevention of disease in animals.
Can not claim to treat horses for ulcers or maintenance.
Research is the only way to go.
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I'm Over It!!
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| Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-12 12:05 PM Can not promote curing ulcers.
Product labeling can not show the product is intended for use in the mitigation, treatment or prevention of disease in animals.
Can not claim to treat horses for ulcers or maintenance.
Research is the only way to go.
So...that is only a partial answer. Can you tell us if you have an alternate plan? |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | can you change the label......and keep selling
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Location: Willows, CA | Looking at the advertisement you posted I can see that the drug claims are a problem for the product under current animal supplement regulations. The crazy thing is, if that same advertisement was directed at curing ulcers in people it would be legal under the FDA DSHEA act. |
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| Douglas, did you get a warning letter too?
Or are you discontinuing before you get a letter? |
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BHW's Lance Armstrong
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | SuckerForHorses - 2014-11-12 1:53 PM
Douglas, did you get a warning letter too?
Or are you discontinuing before you get a letter?
I got a letter also. |
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Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-12 2:48 PM SuckerForHorses - 2014-11-12 1:53 PM Douglas, did you get a warning letter too? Or are you discontinuing before you get a letter? I got a letter also.
How did they find you? |
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Location: Deep South | There really won't be any way to buy your product at all? Even if you don't advertise it as "curing ulcers" ???
Regardless of what the FDA thinks I KNOW what it did for my horse! |
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Location: Anywhere my horses are ! Lost in Texas!!!!! | oh no  |
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 Love Me Some Robert Redford
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Location: WV | I can I get a PM of pricing please. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | ugh. Crap. How long do you think an unopened container would last? I don't need any right now but I just know if I don't order any I will need it in the future. |
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Location: Alabama | I wanna know how to get it too? I've ordered several times and love this stuff! |
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BHW's Lance Armstrong
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | LRQHS - 2014-11-12 2:55 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-12 2:48 PM SuckerForHorses - 2014-11-12 1:53 PM Douglas, did you get a warning letter too? Or are you discontinuing before you get a letter? I got a letter also.
They Stalked me! |
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Location: Stephenville, Texas | I bet if you had lots of pictures of Obama on your website they never would have bothered you. |
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| BamaCanChaser - 2014-11-12 4:07 PM
There really won't be any way to buy your product at all? Even if you don't advertise it as "curing ulcers" ???
Regardless of what the FDA thinks I KNOW what it did for my horse!
The FDA knows these other companies products work but they do not care. Its all about them making their moolah |
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| astreakinchic - 2014-11-13 6:42 AM
BamaCanChaser - 2014-11-12 4:07 PM
There really won't be any way to buy your product at all? Even if you don't advertise it as "curing ulcers" ???
Regardless of what the FDA thinks I KNOW what it did for my horse!
The FDA knows these other companies products work but they do not care. Its all about them making their moolah
If this was an unproven, no testing completed human drug would you be saying the same thing?
I'm sorry Doug, I hope you can find a way to sell it legally as I do love what ulcer cure OTC has done for my horses.
Thanks |
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Location: Midwest | cheryl makofka - 2014-11-13 8:52 AM astreakinchic - 2014-11-13 6:42 AM BamaCanChaser - 2014-11-12 4:07 PM There really won't be any way to buy your product at all? Even if you don't advertise it as "curing ulcers" ??? Regardless of what the FDA thinks I KNOW what it did for my horse! The FDA knows these other companies products work but they do not care. Its all about them making their moolah I'm sorry Doug, I hope you can find a way to sell it legally as I do love what ulcer cure OTC has done for my horses. Thanks
See every herbal or vitamin supplement on the market for humans right now.
They are not evaluated by the FDA but are "drugs" in a scientific sense- they certainly effect the way your mind and body work. They are allowed to be sold because they are "supplements" and usually all have the non-FDA approved disclaimer under every ad or on every label that it is "not designed to diagnose, treat, or cure any condition". |
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Location: IL | barrelracr131 - 2014-11-13 12:35 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-11-13 8:52 AM astreakinchic - 2014-11-13 6:42 AM BamaCanChaser - 2014-11-12 4:07 PM There really won't be any way to buy your product at all? Even if you don't advertise it as "curing ulcers" ??? Regardless of what the FDA thinks I KNOW what it did for my horse! The FDA knows these other companies products work but they do not care. Its all about them making their moolah I'm sorry Doug, I hope you can find a way to sell it legally as I do love what ulcer cure OTC has done for my horses. Thanks
They are not evaluated by the FDA but are "drugs" in a scientific sense- they certainly effect the way your mind and body work. They are allowed to be sold because they are "supplements" and usually all have the non-FDA approved disclaimer under every ad or on every label that it is "not designed to diagnose, treat, or cure any condition".
I agree with this ^^^ The THE promotes it's ulcer healing properties in their product, so I don't know how the FDA can demand these companies to close down. Everyone buying these other products know they are not FDA approved, so they are taking there own chances with these products. There are tons of products on the market that make claims that they do things and they aren't proven by the FDA, but you can still buy them. |
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Location: Idahome | Trust me, it is much easier to sell a product in the human world than it is in the animal world. The FDA is a royal pain in the ass and all companies making claims when they are not a drug will get a letter eventually. Support and maintain are bascially the only words they allow you to use when describing your product. Curing, healing, dissolving, etc. are all "illegal" words.
If you are still wanting to sell your product, try contacting the National Animal Supplement Council (NASC) nasc.cc. They can help you get with the proper labeling and guidelines for any animal health product.
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-11-13 9:52 AM
astreakinchic - 2014-11-13 6:42 AM
BamaCanChaser - 2014-11-12 4:07 PM
There really won't be any way to buy your product at all? Even if you don't advertise it as "curing ulcers" ???
Regardless of what the FDA thinks I KNOW what it did for my horse!
The FDA knows these other companies products work but they do not care. Its all about them making their moolah
If this was an unproven, no testing completed human drug would you be saying the same thing?
I'm sorry Doug, I hope you can find a way to sell it legally as I do love what ulcer cure OTC has done for my horses.
Thanks
Yupp I would be. I take herbals and my oils...no FDA approval needed for those! |
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| I sure wish I had money to buy a bunch of it and stock up. UGHHH. |
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BHW's Lance Armstrong
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | barrelracr131 - 2014-11-13 12:35 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-11-13 8:52 AM astreakinchic - 2014-11-13 6:42 AM BamaCanChaser - 2014-11-12 4:07 PM There really won't be any way to buy your product at all? Even if you don't advertise it as "curing ulcers" ??? Regardless of what the FDA thinks I KNOW what it did for my horse! The FDA knows these other companies products work but they do not care. Its all about them making their moolah I'm sorry Doug, I hope you can find a way to sell it legally as I do love what ulcer cure OTC has done for my horses. Thanks
They are not evaluated by the FDA but are "drugs" in a scientific sense- they certainly effect the way your mind and body work. They are allowed to be sold because they are "supplements" and usually all have the non-FDA approved disclaimer under every ad or on every label that it is "not designed to diagnose, treat, or cure any condition".
Bingo! |
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So what's stopping you from creating a new 'Supplement' label and selling? 'Aids' in settling nervous stomach? |
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Location: Willows, CA | The difference between human use supplements and animal use supplements all started with DSHEA. The "Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act". This states the human use supplements are foods and not drugs. The argument for this was that FDA approval cost so much that no supplement company would ever pay for the required testing. Natural supplements can't be patented, so there would be no protection during testing. The result would be that beneficial supplements would not be practical to make and sell, and the general public would loose out. This opened a door that many now think was not wise. FDA decided not to let the same thing happen to the animal market, so any claim of cure or effect is considered a drug claim and the product is then classified a drug, not a food as it would be if marketed for human use.
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Location: Utah | astreakinchic - 2014-11-13 12:30 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-11-13 9:52 AM
astreakinchic - 2014-11-13 6:42 AM
BamaCanChaser - 2014-11-12 4:07 PM
There really won't be any way to buy your product at all? Even if you don't advertise it as "curing ulcers" ???
Regardless of what the FDA thinks I KNOW what it did for my horse!
The FDA knows these other companies products work but they do not care. Its all about them making their moolah
If this was an unproven, no testing completed human drug would you be saying the same thing?
I'm sorry Doug, I hope you can find a way to sell it legally as I do love what ulcer cure OTC has done for my horses.
Thanks
Yupp I would be. I take herbals and my oils...no FDA approval needed for those!
Actually I believe several of the "oil" companies have been given letters about how products are promoted as well.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865611752/2-Utah-companies-respo... |
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