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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I read about it the other day and, honestly, I can not believe that a SEAL would do that...retired or not. You know going in, you never talk, no matter what. I haven't seen the interview. Heck, I don't have cable. I'm not sure I'd want to watch. For what purpose would you talk? Money? Glory? Fame? All things a SEAL doesn't care about.
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| LRQHS - 2014-11-12 6:33 PM I read about it the other day and, honestly, I can not believe that a SEAL would do that...retired or not. You know going in, you never talk, no matter what. I haven't seen the interview. Heck, I don't have cable. I'm not sure I'd want to watch. For what purpose would you talk? Money? Glory? Fame? All things a SEAL doesn't care about.
That is what is being echoed in SOF community.
I am dissapointed in Fox. While they are grandstanding their interview the SOF community is shaking their heads saying ''this should not be happening". |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I have to agree with LQHS, I give the fella 6 months. He's made himself a target by yapping his mouth off.
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Location: SE Louisiana | I don't understand why both of those men are not sitting in a jail somewhere.. |
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Location: Here | On the other hand. As an American, it gave me a sense of what these men scarifice. Yes I know we have all been told, but unless you have immediate family in Armed Forces I am not sure America gets it. It made it very surreal.
Yes I understand about secret missions, but honestly you don't think they didn't already know this? I do.
I also understand that now might not have been the best time to share this story, but then again... |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | He's put his family in danger too. It's not just about him. |
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Location: Here | LRQHS - 2014-11-12 6:45 PM He's put his family in danger too. It's not just about him.
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Location: CTX | I will not be watching it. I don't understand why he came out with the story, but there are some things you just don't do, EVER. And this is one of them.
He has no honor at all!
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I would respect the sentiments of the special operations people. I can obviously understand their frowning on this, for a lot of reasons. On the other hand, it's riveting. He seems like a likable guy and his story is compelling, as I'm sure they all are. The call to his dad was pretty moving.
I don't see that he has revealed anything in terms of national security. If there is a creed of silence amongst SOF, then shame on him. I think there is something to be said for the general public knowing little about SOF, other than they are bad asses who can get anyone anywhere. That kind of mystique is powerful. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-11-12 6:38 PM
I have to agree with LQHS, I give the fella 6 months. He's made himself a target by yapping his mouth off.
Yup... Just like that sniper... He would be alive today if he had not broken The Code. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Did he give a reason for telling his story? I'm feeling a movie deal here.... |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | SG. - 2014-11-12 5:41 PM On the other hand. As an American, it gave me a sense of what these men scarifice. Yes I know we have all been told, but unless you have immediate family in Armed Forces I am not sure America gets it. It made it very surreal.
Yes I understand about secret missions, but honestly you don't think they didn't already know this? I do.
I also understand that now might not have been the best time to share this story, but then again...
I have immediate family serving as we speak, they also don't make a point to tell even family what they are up to. We need to understand without knowing the details, details that aren't our business. I have bugged my grandpa for years to tell me all about his WWII experiences, but I don't want to know if he killed anyone, just what the conditions were like etc. Those other details are private to him and those he knew, that is not what civilians need to discuss and certainly not a high profile deal like what this guy is spouting off on TV for all the idiots to misunderstand. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | LRQHS - 2014-11-12 7:01 PM
Did he give a reason for telling his story? I'm feeling a movie deal here....
I have my suspicions.. I wonder if this is a disinformation job by Obama. Just because HE is the one that told us OBL was dead, I don't believe it. It could be he was taken alive and has been undergoing some (much needed) torture to milk him for information. That would explain why this man has not been arrested. |
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There are unintended consequences for coming out so publically about a mission. I appreciate the Seals sacrifice and patriotism. I am glad the public is interested in learning more about the extremely difficult training SOF's go through. Robert O'Neill pull the trigger but didn't kill Bin Laden alone. The entire Armed Forces killed him. One Team One Mission, isn't that how it is supposed to be?
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| komet. - 2014-11-12 7:06 PM LRQHS - 2014-11-12 7:01 PM Did he give a reason for telling his story? I'm feeling a movie deal here.... I have my suspicions.. I wonder if this is a disinformation job by Obama. Just because HE is the one that told us OBL was dead, I don't believe it. It could be he was taken alive and has been undergoing some (much needed ) torture to milk him for information. That would explain why this man has not been arrested.
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Location: SE Louisiana | Gail - 2014-11-12 7:13 PM
komet. - 2014-11-12 7:06 PM LRQHS - 2014-11-12 7:01 PM Did he give a reason for telling his story? I'm feeling a movie deal here.... I have my suspicions.. I wonder if this is a disinformation job by Obama. Just because HE is the one that told us OBL was dead, I don't believe it. It could be he was taken alive and has been undergoing some (much needed ) torture to milk him for information. That would explain why this man has not been arrested.
I've wondered about this ever since Obozo announced it. I know how much he lies.. What's one more? |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Yes, there's that too. They are called SEAL "team" whatever for a reason. The whole foundation of SEAL training is teaching team mentality.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Wasn't there an entire Seal Team killed off...one by one, some back in Afghanistan, but in situations like it was known where they were. Ambush type deals. I think a bunch were in a helicopter crash. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | We watched it. I don't understand why he told that story publicly and anything I can come up with is not complimentary to his character. |
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Location: Here | Gail - 2014-11-12 7:12 PM
There are unintended consequences for coming out so publically about a mission. I appreciate the Seals sacrifice and patriotism. I am glad the public is interested in learning more about the extremely difficult training SOF's go through. Robert O'Neill pull the trigger but didn't kill Bin Laden alone. The entire Armed Forces killed him. One Team One Mission, isn't that how it is supposed to be?
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Location: SE Louisiana | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-11-12 7:22 PM
Wasn't there an entire Seal Team killed off...one by one, some back in Afghanistan, but in situations like it was known where they were. Ambush type deals. I think a bunch were in a helicopter crash.
Yes... there is more than one team and several members of a team were killed in a crash there.. It may have been the mission to rescue Marcus Luttrell.
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| I watched and intend to watch the second part. So far I think it is excellent. Oneal has not given any information that has not already been in the public domain. So far he has given nothing but praise and respect towards his fellow Seals. He is not being paid nor is there any book deal in the works. So far I don't see any bragging on his part he just states facts as he sees it. He has not said as of yet why he is doing this. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | komet. - 2014-11-12 6:30 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-11-12 7:22 PM Wasn't there an entire Seal Team killed off...one by one, some back in Afghanistan, but in situations like it was known where they were. Ambush type deals. I think a bunch were in a helicopter crash. Yes... there is more than one team and several members of a team were killed in a crash there..
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | It was SEAL team 6 if I remember correctly....6 or 4....I think 6. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | LRQHS - 2014-11-12 6:34 PM It was SEAL team 6 if I remember correctly....6 or 4....I think 6.
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2014-11-12 7:22 PM Wasn't there an entire Seal Team killed off...one by one, some back in Afghanistan, but in situations like it was known where they were. Ambush type deals. I think a bunch were in a helicopter crash.
Yes.
Let's not forget Joe Biden leaked more info than any solider ever did. I believe his leak caused the attack on the Chinook that cost us lives of 38 Americans on August 6. 2011. I attended two of the funerals of the fallen (while share the incredible witness of Seal Matthew Mason another time) Kansas City Royals allowed me to bring the son of the Chief Warrant Officer Bryan Nichols (KIA) to Royals game and attend batting practice. Braydon had barely left his room following the death of his Dad. He spent most his day in a corner crying. When he learned he was going to meet the Royals and attend pre game practice he lit up. At the end of BP, the players and coaches lined up and high fived Braydon. There wasn't a dry eye around. At the end of the game the Royals had a special gift for Braydon. They had a signed bat and ball for him to treasure. It was quite an emotional day. I think I even saw Ned Yost shed a tear.
I've rambled on long enough....sorry..just had to share a memory.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Gail - 2014-11-12 6:41 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-11-12 7:22 PM Wasn't there an entire Seal Team killed off...one by one, some back in Afghanistan, but in situations like it was known where they were. Ambush type deals. I think a bunch were in a helicopter crash.
Yes.
Let's not forget Joe Biden leaked more info than any solider ever did. I believe his leak caused the attack on the Chinook that cost us lives of 38 Americans on August 6. 2011. I attended two of the funerals of the fallen (while share the incredible witness of Seal Matthew Mason another time) Kansas City Royals allowed me to bring the son of the Chief Warrant Officer Bryan Nichols (KIA) to Royals game and attend batting practice. Braydon had barely left his room following the death of his Dad. He spent most his day in a corner crying. When he learned he was going to meet the Royals and attend pre game practice he lit up. At the end of BP, the players and coaches lined up and high fived Braydon. There wasn't a dry eye around. At the end of the game the Royals had a special gift for Braydon. They had a signed bat and ball for him to treasure. It was quite an emotional day. I think I even saw Ned Yost shed a tear.
I've rambled on long enough....sorry..just had to share a memory.
No please don't apologize, those are they types of stories the public should hear.
I'm not going to watch the interview, I just don't agree with it. I have spent the past 5yrs reading history on our wars. Joe Biden is trash. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I'm on my phone and might be posting a link to an Enquirer story, but it's something to think about...http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/25/house-panel-probing-q-crash-that-killed-seal-team-6-members/ |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | jbhoot - 2014-11-11 8:31 PM I watched and intend to watch the second part. So far I think it is excellent. Oneal has not given any information that has not already been in the public domain. So far he has given nothing but praise and respect towards his fellow Seals. He is not being paid nor is there any book deal in the works. So far I don't see any bragging on his part he just states facts as he sees it. He has not said as of yet why he is doing this.
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Location: Kansas | After Barack Obama opened his mouth and spiked the football, life was dangerous for the SEAL team. The family of one of those killed said their son told them immediately after Obama blew the confidentiality that he would not survive for very long and asked his parents to take all measures to protect themselves as he feared for their lives also. There was a list of things he asked them to do but I can't remember much, only canceling their credit cards and disconnecting their cell phones....
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | LRQHS - 2014-11-12 7:36 PM I just don't want to be standing next to him in line at McDonalds when someone decides to blow him up....
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Gilliam also said what I have been reading and hearing...O'Neill has already said too much and has revealed tactic and techniques that should be classified.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I agree. The problem definitely starts at the top. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I also don't like what it is called as it has already been mentioned that Seals work a team. The title instead of man should be MEN. Good that he mentioned his buddies, but still... |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Gail - 2014-11-12 7:41 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-11-12 7:22 PM Wasn't there an entire Seal Team killed off...one by one, some back in Afghanistan, but in situations like it was known where they were. Ambush type deals. I think a bunch were in a helicopter crash.
Yes.
Let's not forget Joe Biden leaked more info than any solider ever did. I believe his leak caused the attack on the Chinook that cost us lives of 38 Americans on August 6. 2011. I attended two of the funerals of the fallen (while share the incredible witness of Seal Matthew Mason another time) Kansas City Royals allowed me to bring the son of the Chief Warrant Officer Bryan Nichols (KIA) to Royals game and attend batting practice. Braydon had barely left his room following the death of his Dad. He spent most his day in a corner crying. When he learned he was going to meet the Royals and attend pre game practice he lit up. At the end of BP, the players and coaches lined up and high fived Braydon. There wasn't a dry eye around. At the end of the game the Royals had a special gift for Braydon. They had a signed bat and ball for him to treasure. It was quite an emotional day. I think I even saw Ned Yost shed a tear.
I've rambled on long enough....sorry..just had to share a memory.
That's a beautiful thing the you and the Royals did.
As far as the original post. I didn't watch it on TV and haven't watched much tv in the past couple weeks but I'll say this. Its a "TEAM MISSION" not one man. We were asked for our personal opinions and my opinion is if this is the guy that actually pulled the trigger he needs to keep his trap shut. It wasn't just him - he had an entire team around him.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I just watched the second part. I can't say whether he did the right thing but I really was glued to the TV and thought the special was well done. I thought he went to great lengths to emphasize that this wasn't his doing...he gave the credit to the team....in fact, the entire country. One thing that impressed me was that solemn moment when he and others met with the families of 9-11 victims, and how he felt it brought them closure. He seems like a great guy, humble, and down to earth. |
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Location: Here | HotbearLVR - 2014-11-12 10:07 PM I just watched the second part. I can't say whether he did the right thing but I really was glued to the TV and thought the special was well done. I thought he went to great lengths to emphasize that this wasn't his doing...he gave the credit to the team....in fact, the entire country. One thing that impressed me was that solemn moment when he and others met with the families of 9-11 victims, and how he felt it brought them closure. He seems like a great guy, humble, and down to earth.
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-11-12 10:07 PM
I just watched the second part. I can't say whether he did the right thing but I really was glued to the TV and thought the special was well done. I thought he went to great lengths to emphasize that this wasn't his doing...he gave the credit to the team....in fact, the entire country. One thing that impressed me was that solemn moment when he and others met with the families of 9-11 victims, and how he felt it brought them closure. He seems like a great guy, humble, and down to earth.
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Location: Arkansas | I didn't watch and don't intend to. This jerk is talking out of school. But then, the image of a book and $$$$$$ are great. Wonder what Fox paid him to be the first? Shame on him for being a greedy gut.
In the early 50's, we were stationed at Sandia Base, Albuquetque, NM. They were all military police who had received training at Ft. Gordon, Ga. All had to be a certen hight and in excelent physical contions. Their job was security. (Atomic Energy Commision was there. As well in Los Almos, NM up the road) Remember, this was in the 50's, and the Cold War was in full bloom. I never knew exactly what went on at Sandia Base, I ask plenty of times. All were US Army and all had Stop Secret Clearance. Which is/was retained until death.
Remembner the old saying "Loose Lips Sink Ships" We don't have many ships any more...but we still have enemy who'd like to sink the USA. Any way they can.
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Location: Colorado | He needs to turn in his Trident and remember his Seal Ethos,
"I do not advertise the nature of my work, nor seek recognition for my actions".
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Location: Missouri | I watched the last part.
Since I've been thinking about my grandpa a lot lately, I dug out some of his old photos on Veterans Day and read some articles to my kids.
When my grandpa died, a man in his dress uniform came to me and shook my hand. He said he had read about my grandpa in text books and when he saw his obituary in the paper, he decided to come show his respect.
No one knows my grandpa, who he was, what he did. Just us few family members and that kind soldier.
He was "a soldier's soldier." A hero. He is one of very few Triple CIB recipients. I've read all sorts of letters of accolades. I read the story where he saved Charlie Beckwith's life. My favorite stories were when he was reassigned due to an injury and had to travel with Barry Sadler. My grandma answered his fan mail.
Oh, the stories.
No one knows. And, he wouldn't have wanted them to.
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Location: SE KS | my first thought when I saw it advertised - WHY would he put himself out there? Why would FOX do this?
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The Seal Community AND the SOF community largely dissaproves of talk about missions. ONeill did not reveal anything that wasn't in the book "No Easy Day". However the author of that book has received huge back lash from his own brotherhood.
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| Gail - 2014-11-13 9:15 AM FOX never pays for interviews.
The Seal Community AND the SOF community largely dissaproves of talk about missions. ONeill did not reveal anything that wasn't in the book "No Easy Day". However the author of that book has received huge back lash from his own brotherhood.
Thankyou for sharing that! I really enjoyed watching the show......if you didn't watch it, I dont think it is fair to judge it. He gave credit to all involved and said it was luck that put him in the position to fire the killing shot. He did not reveal anything that would aid the enemy.......but he certainly put himself out there as far as his own security, I would think. From my take, he did this to help give closure to the families of 9/11 that were not at the museum when he was there.......very touching and very well done. Hard for me to sleep last night after watching it........I dont know how he could ever sleep....... |
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| komet. - 2014-11-12 7:06 PM
LRQHS - 2014-11-12 7:01 PM
Did he give a reason for telling his story? I'm feeling a movie deal here....
I have my suspicions.. I wonder if this is a disinformation job by Obama. Just because HE is the one that told us OBL was dead, I don't believe it. It could be he was taken alive and has been undergoing some (much needed ) torture to milk him for information. That would explain why this man has not been arrested.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I have a question. If there is some danger in revealing special ops actions, then why not have them sign a contract of silence when they become a member of SOF? If they violate that contractual agreement they could be prosecuted. Why this gray area? If a retired CIA employee reveals classified info they can be prosecuted. Fair enough.... Then do the same for SOF. This isn't the first time SOF activities have been revealed or exposed. Books have been written, movies have been made. Those movies are made with the assistance of former Special Ops people as consultants. If there is some unwritten code of silence, it doesn't seem to me that it has been adhered to rigidly or consistently. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my impression. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | The SEAL Code
• Loyalty to Country, Team and Teammate
• Serve with Honor and Integrity On and Off the Battlefield
• Ready to Lead, Ready to Follow, Never Quit
• Take responsibility for your actions and the actions of your teammates
• Excel as Warriors through Discipline and Innovation
• Train for War, Fight to Win, Defeat our Nation’s Enemies
• Earn your Trident everyday
United States Navy SEAL
In times of war or uncertainty there is a special breed of warrior ready to answer our Nation’s call. A common man with uncommon desire to succeed.
Forged by adversity, he stands alongside America’s finest special operations forces to serve his country, the American people, and protect their way of life.
I am that man.
My Trident is a symbol of honor and heritage. Bestowed upon me by the heroes that have gone before, it embodies the trust of those I have sworn to protect. By wearing the Trident I accept the responsibility of my chosen profession and way of life. It is a privilege that I must earn every day.
My loyalty to Country and Team is beyond reproach. I humbly serve as a guardian to my fellow Americans always ready to defend those who are unable to defend themselves. I do not advertise the nature of my work, nor seek recognition for my actions. I voluntarily accept the inherent hazards of my profession, placing the welfare and security of others before my own.
I serve with honor on and off the battlefield. The ability to control my emotions and my actions, regardless of circumstance, sets me apart from other men.
Uncompromising integrity is my standard. My character and honor are steadfast. My word is my bond.
We expect to lead and be led. In the absence of orders I will take charge, lead my teammates and accomplish the mission. I lead by example in all situations.
I will never quit. I persevere and thrive on adversity. My Nation expects me to be physically harder and mentally stronger than my enemies. If knocked down, I will get back up, every time. I will draw on every remaining ounce of strength to protect my teammates and to accomplish our mission. I am never out of the fight.
We demand discipline. We expect innovation. The lives of my teammates and the success of our mission depend on me – my technical skill, tactical proficiency, and attention to detail. My training is never complete.
We train for war and fight to win. I stand ready to bring the full spectrum of combat power to bear in order to achieve my mission and the goals established by my country. The execution of my duties will be swift and violent when required yet guided by the very principles that I serve to defend.
Brave men have fought and died building the proud tradition and feared reputation that I am bound to uphold. In the worst of conditions, the legacy of my teammates steadies my resolve and silently guides my every deed. I will not fail. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Gail - 2014-11-12 10:15 AM FOX never pays for interviews.
The Seal Community AND the SOF community largely dissaproves of talk about missions. ONeill did not reveal anything that wasn't in the book "No Easy Day". However the author of that book has received huge back lash from his own brotherhood.
That was my understanding.........no money has changed hands or will.............
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| I am a little shocked (Pissed really) at some off the remarks on this thread. How can you run your gum's about this show or Rob Oneal WITH OUT VIEWING THE SHOW. If you had watched the show you would see that he is not being paid did not reveal any tact's nor names that has not been released by the New York times, Nat Geo channel, Discovery Channel,Hollywood,several books already written about this, and the White House. |
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| jbhoot - 2014-11-13 9:48 AM
I am a little shocked (Pissed really) at some off the remarks on this thread. How can you run your gum's about this show or Rob Oneal WITH OUT VIEWING THE SHOW. If you had watched the show you would see that he is not being paid did not reveal any tact's nor names that has not been released by the New York times, Nat Geo channel, Discovery Channel,Hollywood,several books already written about this, and the White House.
Because it's the fact the he is even talking that has people upset... it's not what he's saying but that he shouldn't be saying anything at all! |
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| FlyingJT - 2014-11-13 9:55 AM
jbhoot - 2014-11-13 9:48 AM
I am a little shocked (Pissed really) at some off the remarks on this thread. How can you run your gum's about this show or Rob Oneal WITH OUT VIEWING THE SHOW. If you had watched the show you would see that he is not being paid did not reveal any tact's nor names that has not been released by the New York times, Nat Geo channel, Discovery Channel,Hollywood,several books already written about this, and the White House.
Because it's the fact the he is even talking that has people upset... it's not what he's saying but that he shouldn't be saying anything at all!
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | All I need to know is did he reveal his reasons for opening his mouth in the first place? What good has any of this interview done?
Entertaining? Sure, I love to know about the SEALS as much as the next guy. I love watching any and everything I can about them. I like seeing what they go through, the sacrifices they've made. I love it all, but do I need to know? Nope. Is there a reason it should not be publicized? Yep. Is he the only person to blame for information leaks? Nope. He is just the dude that has brought it to the public this week.
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| LRQHS - 2014-11-13 10:04 AM
All I need to know is did he reveal his reasons for opening his mouth in the first place? What good has any of this interview done?
Entertaining? Sure, I love to know about the SEALS as much as the next guy. I love watching any and everything I can about them. I like seeing what they go through, the sacrafices they've made. I love it all, but do I need to know? Nope. Is there a reason it should not be publicized? Yep. Is he the only person to blame for information leaks? Nope. He is just the dude that has brought it to the public this week.
Yes he did state why he came out now. If you had watched you would know that. Proves my point. |
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| Fox makes money from the advertisers who know well in advance what shows are airing and where those spots are. Hell yes money is being made here. Maybe nothing lines his pockets unless of course, he gains the interest of a movie producer and then what?
I'm not taking sides, I'm just letting you know that its gullible to really believe that someone didn't turn a profit. Fox wants viewers...this got attention and people talking. More viewers...more advertisers. It's the way we roll in America. I just wish this particular subject of Bin Laden stayed where it belongs. |
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Location: Arkansas | You can be pissed off all you want. Those of us who have had close relations with the military don't need to see the show. We know he stepped over the line by talking and writing about his experience. You keep your mouth shut and do not profit from it.
Of course, that would not satisfy the American public's thirst to know everything. Sometimes, it's just not none of your business.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Lobo - 2014-11-13 9:13 AM You can be pissed off all you want. Those of us who have had close relations with the military don't need to see the show. We know he stepped over the line by talking and writing about his experience. You keep your mouth shut and do not profit from it.
Of course, that would not satisfy the American public's thirst to know everything. Sometimes, it's just not none of your business.
It made for great Fox ratings.
This, this is exactly why. NEWS is such a load of CRAP, the real smelly kind. It is to get to the public, ratings and all that. Most if not all that you see and hear on TV is so far from the reality of it that is isn't even funny. News during Vietnam is one of the biggest reasons this country turned against it's own soldiers.
Glad it was a good entertaining show for those of you that watched, but you will never understand why those of us against it, did not. We can't convince you of our reasons so we have to agree to disagree. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | jbhoot - 2014-11-13 10:11 AM LRQHS - 2014-11-13 10:04 AM All I need to know is did he reveal his reasons for opening his mouth in the first place? What good has any of this interview done?
Entertaining? Sure, I love to know about the SEALS as much as the next guy. I love watching any and everything I can about them. I like seeing what they go through, the sacrafices they've made. I love it all, but do I need to know? Nope. Is there a reason it should not be publicized? Yep. Is he the only person to blame for information leaks? Nope. He is just the dude that has brought it to the public this week. Yes he did state why he came out now. If you had watched you would know that. Proves my point.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | He's a motivational speaker. Dude is going to profit from this. |
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| Lobo - 2014-11-13 10:13 AM
You can be pissed off all you want. Those of us who have had close relations with the military don't need to see the show. We know he stepped over the line by talking and writing about his experience. You keep your mouth shut and do not profit from it.
Of course, that would not satisfy the American public's thirst to know everything. Sometimes, it's just not none of your business.
It made for great Fox ratings.
I am ex military and so has every male in my family for the last 6 generations and I do not agree with you in this case. You have your opinion and so do I. But I am not going to judge Oneal nor anyone else without first viewing the show. If you wish to so be it.
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Location: Washington | He didn't learn anything from what happened to Matt Bissonette who wrote the book in 2012 called "No Easy Day". Pretty sure this will not end well for O'Neil.
AND no I did not watch, and what I don't get is why the folks from 9-11 that he spoke to said they got closure.....they needed to know who shot him to get that? Remember Bissonette also lays claims to doing this.... Heck Obama also claims he killed him.
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Location: NE flatlands | I am confused...people are upset about him sharing his story but why is this any different than the deadliest sniper in US History, Chris Kyle writing his best selling American Sniper book that specifically talks about his missions? Or Marcus Luttrell writing Lone Survivor, which they eventually made into a movie? Luttrell and Kyle were praised as hero's but O'Neill is being shunned...? |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | O'Neil also said in earlier interviews that "we" all killed him. It wasn't enough for 911 families to know that Seal Team 6 killed him....nope, they needed to know that O'Neil was the one that shot him in the face.....not Bissonette, who O'Neil thinks only thinks he killed him. Sounds like a pecker contest in Seal Team 6, which really makes me feel safe.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | blondie71 - 2014-11-13 9:54 AM I am confused...people are upset about him sharing his story but why is this any different than the deadliest sniper in US History, Chris Kyle writing his best selling American Sniper book that specifically talks about his missions? Or Marcus Luttrell writing Lone Survivor, which they eventually made into a movie? Luttrell and Kyle were praised as hero's but O'Neill is being shunned...?
The sniper and Marcus's stories were something we all knew that went on (other than the rules of engagment that totally pissed me off in that movie). They were not after a single man that everyone in the world knew, one of the most powerful terrorists in history 911 for goodness sake. They told their story as any serviceman would, Luttrells story just happened to have one of the most intense moments as he was the only survivor. He was on a Seal mission, but not one of the super secret ones they have done in history that they keep absolute quiet about.
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Location: Midwest | jbhoot - 2014-11-13 10:11 AM LRQHS - 2014-11-13 10:04 AM All I need to know is did he reveal his reasons for opening his mouth in the first place? What good has any of this interview done?
Entertaining? Sure, I love to know about the SEALS as much as the next guy. I love watching any and everything I can about them. I like seeing what they go through, the sacrafices they've made. I love it all, but do I need to know? Nope. Is there a reason it should not be publicized? Yep. Is he the only person to blame for information leaks? Nope. He is just the dude that has brought it to the public this week. Yes he did state why he came out now. If you had watched you would know that. Proves my point.
Um, some of us choose not to pay for cable here! LOL
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Location: Arkansas | jbhoot - 2014-11-13 10:31 AM Lobo - 2014-11-13 10:13 AM You can be pissed off all you want. Those of us who have had close relations with the military don't need to see the show. We know he stepped over the line by talking and writing about his experience. You keep your mouth shut and do not profit from it.
Of course, that would not satisfy the American public's thirst to know everything. Sometimes, it's just not none of your business.
It made for great Fox ratings. I am ex military and so has every male in my family for the last 6 generations and I do not agree with you in this case. You have your opinion and so do I. But I am not going to judge Oneal nor anyone else without first viewing the show. If you wish to so be it.
We were Regular Army for 23 years. With a Top Secret Clearance. Guarding the Atomic Energy in Los Alamos, NM and Sandia Base in Albuquerque, NM. The Clearance was guarded very carefully. Never spoke or talked about, ever. They took it to their grave what was stored in those round mounds in Igloo Area on the back side of the post.
This was in the '50s when there was a German or Russian spy around every corner. You learn early on about "Loose Lips". Perhaps this was omited in this dude's training. It's brought home again when stationed 50 click's from the East German border with the threat of possibly having to evacuate west when there was chest thumping in the east. And woke up to tank's rumbling out at 3 am.
It's hard for me to understand the thinking of someone who served in the military to think what this dude did is OK.
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Location: Arkansas | Congratulations, it's wonderful that you have six generation's of military. So, your not completely ignorant of the code.
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Location: Washington | Lobo, I fear that in this new era the right to know will over ride any codes...I mean for gosh sakes we announce to the world when and where we are sending troops and how many. I am shocked we didn't send Laden a postcard telling him the Welcome wagon was on their way.
And a question to all who have been following this....Is all of this information been declassified?
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Location: Arkansas | fatchance - 2014-11-13 12:03 PM Lobo, I fear that in this new era the right to know will over ride any codes...I mean for gosh sakes we announce to the world when and where we are sending troops and how many. I am shocked we didn't send Laden a postcard telling him the Welcome wagon was on their way.
And a question to all who have been following this....Is all of this information been declassified?
I have to agree, Fatchance. It's an era of entitlement. If it's legal and lines your pocket, go for it.
The era that I was associated with and the knowlege that this fella gave, would have earned him a free ride to Leavenwoth and not the military college.
I have to wonder what circumstances he was discharged. Be interesting to know.
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Location: ND--it snows, it floods, it snows, it floods | fatchance - 2014-11-13 12:03 PM Lobo, I fear that in this new era the right to know will over ride any codes...I mean for gosh sakes we announce to the world when and where we are sending troops and how many. I am shocked we didn't send Laden a postcard telling him the Welcome wagon was on their way.
And a question to all who have been following this....Is all of this information been declassified?
Ding Ding Ding....I didn't watch the interview and frankly I could care less WHO killed the SOB just as long as he is no longer breathing is all I really care about. I've always thought we offer too much information but that is what people believe anymore...that it is their right to this information and I don't believe it is. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | fatchance - 2014-11-13 12:03 PM Lobo, I fear that in this new era the right to know will over ride any codes...I mean for gosh sakes we announce to the world when and where we are sending troops and how many. I am shocked we didn't send Laden a postcard telling him the Welcome wagon was on their way.
And a question to all who have been following this....Is all of this information been declassified?
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | This debate will never be resolved, obviously. Like I've said, I'm in no position to judge whether or not this man violated some code of silence, but it seems to me all of this could be avoided with a written pledge to honor things deemed to be classified, lest there be consequences. If you look up the dozens of movies and documentaries that have been made about special forces/special ops, you will see many of these involve specifics operations that took place. The movie, "Zero Dark Thirty" is supposed to be a very factual account of events leading up to and including the killing of UBL. Each of these productions has at least one former Navy Seal, or other Special Ops man as a consultant. I don't recall much outrage directed at any of these fellas. This man risked his life alongside his brothers for about 16 years, and now he has a bunch of Monday-morning quarterbacks condemning him and questioning his motives. I watched this guy interviewed by O'Reilly tonight, and I couldn't help thinking that he made me proud, and what's more, I was bursting with pride knowing that he is one of thousands of fine young men who sacrificed just as much, sometimes a lot more. This notion that O'Neil somehow disclosed secret tactics to our enemy doesn't pass muster to me. I must have missed it. Also, for those of you who didn't watch both hours of the special, you missed it, but he did explicitly explain why he decided to go public, and he identified the exact moment when he made that decision. I found his explanation to be completely plausible. Putting a human faces on our very finest is a very good thing, in my opinion. These are not supermen or monsters, or remorseless killing machines....they are fine, talented, gifted, selfless young men and human beings. I underscore "human beings". I'm not going to condemn him....I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt for that reason....he's a good man, and a human being. I can think of a lot more people in this country more deserving of scorn and condemnation than this nice man. I, for one, would be proud to have him as my son.
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Location: South Dakota | HotbearLVR - 2014-11-13 8:04 PM This debate will never be resolved, obviously. Like I've said, I'm in no position to judge whether or not this man violated some code of silence, but it seems to me all of this could be avoided with a written pledge to honor things deemed to be classified, lest there be consequences. If you look up the dozens of movies and documentaries that have been made about special forces/special ops, you will see many of these involve specifics operations that took place. The movie, "Zero Dark Thirty" is supposed to be a very factual account of events leading up to and including the killing of UBL. Each of these productions has at least one former Navy Seal, or other Special Ops man as a consultant. I don't recall much outrage directed at any of these fellas. This man risked his life alongside his brothers for about 16 years, and now he has a bunch of Monday-morning quarterbacks condemning him and questioning his motives. I watched this guy interviewed by O'Reilly tonight, and I couldn't help thinking that he made me proud, and what's more, I was bursting with pride knowing that he is one of thousands of fine young men who sacrificed just as much, sometimes a lot more. This notion that O'Neil somehow disclosed secret tactics to our enemy doesn't pass muster to me. I must have missed it. Also, for those of you who didn't watch both hours of the special, you missed it, but he did explicitly explain why he decided to go public, and he identified the exact moment when he made that decision. I found his explanation to be completely plausible. Putting a human faces on our very finest is a very good thing, in my opinion. These are not supermen or monsters, or remorseless killing machines....they are fine, talented, gifted, selfless young men and human beings. I underscore "human beings". I'm not going to condemn him....I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt for that reason....he's a good man, and a human being. I can think of a lot more people in this country more deserving of scorn and condemnation than this nice man. I, for one, would be proud to have him as my son.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I mean seriously, this O'Neil guy went to great lengths to not take any credit for anything. He said, "this is not about me" and he listed several people who deserve more credit than himself, starting with his team members, the chopper pilots, and the woman who worked for the CIA hunting down UBL. I thought that was pretty classy how he gave the credit to everyone else and emphasized that his being in the right place at the right time was just "the luck of the draw". He also related how the fella who went up to the 3rd floor ahead of him grabbed two women, threw them in a pile, and covered them with his body, because he wanted to take the hit for his team if these women were wearing a suicide vest. That's just amazing...the guy didn't hesitate to sacrifice his body for the team and the mission. No doubt O'Neil would have been willing to make the same sacrifice. He said himself, in fact, that he was certain this was a one way mission.....so this doesn't sound like some self serving, greedy man who betrayed his brothers or his country. I don't see how anyone can draw that conclusion. As far as I'm concerned he and others like him deserve a break. We are a sick twisted society in this country when we idolize professional athletes, overlook their own greed, and then turn around and assume guys like O'Neil have some self serving agenda.
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Location: Texas Big Country | ridejg - 2014-11-13 8:49 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-11-13 8:04 PM This debate will never be resolved, obviously. Like I've said, I'm in no position to judge whether or not this man violated some code of silence, but it seems to me all of this could be avoided with a written pledge to honor things deemed to be classified, lest there be consequences. If you look up the dozens of movies and documentaries that have been made about special forces/special ops, you will see many of these involve specifics operations that took place. The movie, "Zero Dark Thirty" is supposed to be a very factual account of events leading up to and including the killing of UBL. Each of these productions has at least one former Navy Seal, or other Special Ops man as a consultant. I don't recall much outrage directed at any of these fellas. This man risked his life alongside his brothers for about 16 years, and now he has a bunch of Monday-morning quarterbacks condemning him and questioning his motives. I watched this guy interviewed by O'Reilly tonight, and I couldn't help thinking that he made me proud, and what's more, I was bursting with pride knowing that he is one of thousands of fine young men who sacrificed just as much, sometimes a lot more. This notion that O'Neil somehow disclosed secret tactics to our enemy doesn't pass muster to me. I must have missed it. Also, for those of you who didn't watch both hours of the special, you missed it, but he did explicitly explain why he decided to go public, and he identified the exact moment when he made that decision. I found his explanation to be completely plausible. Putting a human faces on our very finest is a very good thing, in my opinion. These are not supermen or monsters, or remorseless killing machines....they are fine, talented, gifted, selfless young men and human beings. I underscore "human beings". I'm not going to condemn him....I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt for that reason....he's a good man, and a human being. I can think of a lot more people in this country more deserving of scorn and condemnation than this nice man. I, for one, would be proud to have him as my son. ^^^ Well Said!
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Location: Texas Big Country | HotbearLVR - 2014-11-13 9:01 PM I mean seriously, this O'Neil guy went to great lengths to not take any credit for anything. He said, "this is not about me" and he listed several people who deserve more credit than himself, starting with his team members, the chopper pilots, and the woman who worked for the CIA hunting down UBL. I thought that was pretty classy how he gave the credit to everyone else and emphasized that his being in the right place at the right time was just "the luck of the draw". He also related how the fella who went up to the 3rd floor ahead of him grabbed two women, threw them in a pile, and covered them with his body, because he wanted to take the hit for his team if these women were wearing a suicide vest. That's just amazing...the guy didn't hesitate to sacrifice his body for the team and the mission. No doubt O'Neil would have been willing to make the same sacrifice. He said himself, in fact, that he was certain this was a one way mission.....so this doesn't sound like some self serving, greedy man who betrayed his brothers or his country. I don't see how anyone can draw that conclusion. As far as I'm concerned he and others like him deserve a break. We are a sick twisted society in this country when we idolize professional athletes, overlook their own greed, and then turn around and assume guys like O'Neil have some self serving agenda. I hope he and his brothers have a happy serene life of peace and prosperity.
GReat follow-up. I second that too!  Especially the professional athlete part, gimme a break, those prima donnas roll on the floor when they get a hangnail trying to "draw a foul".
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Location: Washington | crossarrowk - 2014-11-13 7:08 PM ridejg - 2014-11-13 8:49 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-11-13 8:04 PM This debate will never be resolved, obviously. Like I've said, I'm in no position to judge whether or not this man violated some code of silence, but it seems to me all of this could be avoided with a written pledge to honor things deemed to be classified, lest there be consequences. If you look up the dozens of movies and documentaries that have been made about special forces/special ops, you will see many of these involve specifics operations that took place. The movie, "Zero Dark Thirty" is supposed to be a very factual account of events leading up to and including the killing of UBL. Each of these productions has at least one former Navy Seal, or other Special Ops man as a consultant. I don't recall much outrage directed at any of these fellas. This man risked his life alongside his brothers for about 16 years, and now he has a bunch of Monday-morning quarterbacks condemning him and questioning his motives. I watched this guy interviewed by O'Reilly tonight, and I couldn't help thinking that he made me proud, and what's more, I was bursting with pride knowing that he is one of thousands of fine young men who sacrificed just as much, sometimes a lot more. This notion that O'Neil somehow disclosed secret tactics to our enemy doesn't pass muster to me. I must have missed it. Also, for those of you who didn't watch both hours of the special, you missed it, but he did explicitly explain why he decided to go public, and he identified the exact moment when he made that decision. I found his explanation to be completely plausible. Putting a human faces on our very finest is a very good thing, in my opinion. These are not supermen or monsters, or remorseless killing machines....they are fine, talented, gifted, selfless young men and human beings. I underscore "human beings". I'm not going to condemn him....I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt for that reason....he's a good man, and a human being. I can think of a lot more people in this country more deserving of scorn and condemnation than this nice man. I, for one, would be proud to have him as my son. ^^^ Well Said!
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Location: Texas Big Country | fatchance - 2014-11-13 9:17 PM crossarrowk - 2014-11-13 7:08 PM ridejg - 2014-11-13 8:49 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-11-13 8:04 PM This debate will never be resolved, obviously. Like I've said, I'm in no position to judge whether or not this man violated some code of silence, but it seems to me all of this could be avoided with a written pledge to honor things deemed to be classified, lest there be consequences. If you look up the dozens of movies and documentaries that have been made about special forces/special ops, you will see many of these involve specifics operations that took place. The movie, "Zero Dark Thirty" is supposed to be a very factual account of events leading up to and including the killing of UBL. Each of these productions has at least one former Navy Seal, or other Special Ops man as a consultant. I don't recall much outrage directed at any of these fellas. This man risked his life alongside his brothers for about 16 years, and now he has a bunch of Monday-morning quarterbacks condemning him and questioning his motives. I watched this guy interviewed by O'Reilly tonight, and I couldn't help thinking that he made me proud, and what's more, I was bursting with pride knowing that he is one of thousands of fine young men who sacrificed just as much, sometimes a lot more. This notion that O'Neil somehow disclosed secret tactics to our enemy doesn't pass muster to me. I must have missed it. Also, for those of you who didn't watch both hours of the special, you missed it, but he did explicitly explain why he decided to go public, and he identified the exact moment when he made that decision. I found his explanation to be completely plausible. Putting a human faces on our very finest is a very good thing, in my opinion. These are not supermen or monsters, or remorseless killing machines....they are fine, talented, gifted, selfless young men and human beings. I underscore "human beings". I'm not going to condemn him....I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt for that reason....he's a good man, and a human being. I can think of a lot more people in this country more deserving of scorn and condemnation than this nice man. I, for one, would be proud to have him as my son. ^^^ Well Said!What's the number?
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| Lobo - 2014-11-13 10:13 AM
You can be pissed off all you want. Those of us who have had close relations with the military don't need to see the show. We know he stepped over the line by talking and writing about his experience. You keep your mouth shut and do not profit from it.
Of course, that would not satisfy the American public's thirst to know everything. Sometimes, it's just not none of your business.
It made for great Fox ratings.
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-11-13 8:04 PM
This debate will never be resolved, obviously. Like I've said, I'm in no position to judge whether or not this man violated some code of silence, but it seems to me all of this could be avoided with a written pledge to honor things deemed to be classified, lest there be consequences. If you look up the dozens of movies and documentaries that have been made about special forces/special ops, you will see many of these involve specifics operations that took place. The movie, "Zero Dark Thirty" is supposed to be a very factual account of events leading up to and including the killing of UBL. Each of these productions has at least one former Navy Seal, or other Special Ops man as a consultant. I don't recall much outrage directed at any of these fellas. This man risked his life alongside his brothers for about 16 years, and now he has a bunch of Monday-morning quarterbacks condemning him and questioning his motives. I watched this guy interviewed by O'Reilly tonight, and I couldn't help thinking that he made me proud, and what's more, I was bursting with pride knowing that he is one of thousands of fine young men who sacrificed just as much, sometimes a lot more. This notion that O'Neil somehow disclosed secret tactics to our enemy doesn't pass muster to me. I must have missed it. Also, for those of you who didn't watch both hours of the special, you missed it, but he did explicitly explain why he decided to go public, and he identified the exact moment when he made that decision. I found his explanation to be completely plausible. Putting a human faces on our very finest is a very good thing, in my opinion. These are not supermen or monsters, or remorseless killing machines....they are fine, talented, gifted, selfless young men and human beings. I underscore "human beings". I'm not going to condemn him....I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt for that reason....he's a good man, and a human being. I can think of a lot more people in this country more deserving of scorn and condemnation than this nice man. I, for one, would be proud to have him as my son.
I agree. He seems like a stand up guy. And if he makes a million in the process, good for him. He could just as easily have been killed numerous times. And i guarentee he didn't go into the SEALS thinking about making a bunch of money. |
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| From what I understand the First guy (point man) is the one that should get all the credit. He spoke Arabic and killed Osama's brother and then shot at Osama - this is what both Matt Bissonnette and the O'Neil guy said.
Matt Bissonnette's version: When he walked in the room Osama was on the floor (probably from the point man's shot up the stairs) and two women were standing over him. The point man then grabbed both women, took them away and jumped on them bc they thought they had suicide vests. Then Matt and another guy shot Obama some more.
O'Neills story: Osama was standing behind a women, then the pointman took two women away and jumped on them. Then he shot Osama in the head while he was standing behind his wife. Don't you think that if this happened, the wife would've gone crazy and he would've mentioned this? He never mentioned her again, he just said he stood over Osama.
I'm sorry, but I don't believe O'Neills story. I believe Bissonnett's...he was shot before Bissonnette/O'Neill got into the room and then those guys finished him off. I respect the point man. HE did the work, AND kept the SEAL honor code, and truly left it to a TEAM being responsible by not trying to get additional attention towards himself. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | HotbearLVR - 2014-11-12 9:04 PM This debate will never be resolved, obviously. Like I've said, I'm in no position to judge whether or not this man violated some code of silence, but it seems to me all of this could be avoided with a written pledge to honor things deemed to be classified, lest there be consequences. If you look up the dozens of movies and documentaries that have been made about special forces/special ops, you will see many of these involve specifics operations that took place. The movie, "Zero Dark Thirty" is supposed to be a very factual account of events leading up to and including the killing of UBL. Each of these productions has at least one former Navy Seal, or other Special Ops man as a consultant. I don't recall much outrage directed at any of these fellas. This man risked his life alongside his brothers for about 16 years, and now he has a bunch of Monday-morning quarterbacks condemning him and questioning his motives. I watched this guy interviewed by O'Reilly tonight, and I couldn't help thinking that he made me proud, and what's more, I was bursting with pride knowing that he is one of thousands of fine young men who sacrificed just as much, sometimes a lot more. This notion that O'Neil somehow disclosed secret tactics to our enemy doesn't pass muster to me. I must have missed it. Also, for those of you who didn't watch both hours of the special, you missed it, but he did explicitly explain why he decided to go public, and he identified the exact moment when he made that decision. I found his explanation to be completely plausible. Putting a human faces on our very finest is a very good thing, in my opinion. These are not supermen or monsters, or remorseless killing machines....they are fine, talented, gifted, selfless young men and human beings. I underscore "human beings". I'm not going to condemn him....I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt for that reason....he's a good man, and a human being. I can think of a lot more people in this country more deserving of scorn and condemnation than this nice man. I, for one, would be proud to have him as my son.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | No one needs to know that O'neil was the one that claims to have pulled the trigger. He was part of Seal Team 6. The difference in stories between he and Bisonette pulls doubt into the public whatever his reasons are. I, personally, didn't want to doubt them. I want to believe that they are a team of perfect warriors. Now I doubt both of their motives. We see two brothers with different stories and the point man sounds like the baddest ass of them all. I doubt we'll ever hear from him.
Don't ever think that I'm not the first one in line to support our Special Forces. I worked with the Rangers at Hunter Army Airfield as a nurse following my active duty stint for a few years. I treated several SEALS passing through there. They have my highest respect. The absolute highest. So, don't think I'm condeming one. O'neil has my respect. I'm sure he's a great guy and he's made the sacrifices that most of us haven't. He still should have kept his mouth shut. All of the books and movies surfacing about these special missions should not be either. The stories are told by one person's account of events and or glammed up for entertainment value. I doubt that the events in the Marcus Lutrell movie happened exactly as you see in the movie...exactly that way.....it was a movie. You are seeing the same thing with Bissonette and O'neil. Which story is true? Would the point man tell it different? |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-14 9:01 AM I once knew a Navajo Code talker from WWII. When he was in the army, they were told never to talk about their mission. Even, after it was declassified, he would not talk about it because he was told not to talk about it.
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| I am surrounded by SF's in my family, active and retired. I've asked thoughts about this guys actions and what few words they would say was that their whole teams and guys they work with thought it was selfish and stupid of him. Not only did he put himself in danger but his family. He did take an oath and he broke it. Officers and government people make money off writing books about SOF missions but that doesn't make it ok for him to speak out. There's many people in the community that are pist because it makes the SEALs look like loudmouths. Shame on him for looking for recognition other than with his team mates and brothers that were right there with him. He turned a WE into an I. |
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Location: Kansas | ld3 - 2014-11-14 8:41 AM From what I understand the First guy (point man) is the one that should get all the credit. He spoke Arabic and killed Osama's brother and then shot at Osama - this is what both Matt Bissonnette and the O'Neil guy said. Matt Bissonnette's version: When he walked in the room Osama was on the floor (probably from the point man's shot up the stairs) and two women were standing over him. The point man then grabbed both women, took them away and jumped on them bc they thought they had suicide vests. Then Matt and another guy shot Obama some more. O'Neills story: Osama was standing behind a women, then the pointman took two women away and jumped on them. Then he shot Osama in the head while he was standing behind his wife. Don't you think that if this happened, the wife would've gone crazy and he would've mentioned this? He never mentioned her again, he just said he stood over Osama. I'm sorry, but I don't believe O'Neills story. I believe Bissonnett's...he was shot before Bissonnette/O'Neill got into the room and then those guys finished him off. I respect the point man. HE did the work, AND kept the SEAL honor code, and truly left it to a TEAM being responsible by not trying to get additional attention towards himself.
O'Neill did mention this on The O'Reilly Factor last night. He said the woman UBL hid behind was screaming when they shot him. There was also a two year old child in the room to contend with.
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From what I understand the First guy (point man) is the one that should get all the credit. He spoke Arabic and killed Osama's brother and then shot at Osama - this is what both Matt Bissonnette and the O'Neil guy said.
Matt Bissonnette's version: When he walked in the room Osama was on the floor (probably from the point man's shot up the stairs) and two women were standing over him. The point man then grabbed both women, took them away and jumped on them bc they thought they had suicide vests. Then Matt and another guy shot Obama some more.
O'Neills story: Osama was standing behind a women, then the pointman took two women away and jumped on them. Then he shot Osama in the head while he was standing behind his wife. Don't you think that if this happened, the wife would've gone crazy and he would've mentioned this? He never mentioned her again, he just said he stood over Osama.
I'm sorry, but I don't believe O'Neills story. I believe Bissonnett's...he was shot before Bissonnette/O'Neill got into the room and then those guys finished him off. I respect the point man. HE did the work, AND kept the SEAL honor code, and truly left it to a TEAM being responsible by not trying to get additional attention towards himself.
I don't have the impression that O'Neil is all that consumed with getting any credit for shooting UBL. We all have a certain ability to sense when someone is giving us a line of BS....especially horse people. We can often pick up when someone is lying. I honestly didn't get a sense that O'Neil was lying when he was interviewed both by Doocy and O'Reilly. Over and over again, O'Neil emphasized that it wasn't important that he be given the credit for firing the actual shots. He admits it was sheer luck of the draw that put him in the right place at the right time and it could have just as well been any member of the team. O'Neil didn't write a book to try to "cash in" on the raid, but Bissonette did and he is involved in an $8 million lawsuit as plaintiff.
O'Neil said "I didn't kill UBL.....even the team didn't kill UBL.....AMERICA killed UBL". That's how he said he looked at it. I saw the film clips of him meeting family members of 9-11 victims, and I can easily see how he was so moved by that experience that he decided to tell his story. I think it's a pretty uplifting story about an everyday kid who grew up hunting and fishing in Montana and eventually became a Navy Seal. I enjoyed hearing how when the seals were going through hell during training and someone decided to quit, all they did was lay their helmet down next to the rest who couldn't take it. He was driven to finish his training partly because he couldn't stand the thought of laying his helmet with his dad's name on it next to the others. He looked at it as letting his father down. That was one thing that kept him going. The one consistent thing throughout his story was how this was an ordinary kid who became a man as a Navy Seal, but constantly stressed the brotherhood and the team. He gave credit to everyone but himself. He seemed humble and I appreciated his explanation of why he decided to step away from his career as a Seal. As far as I know he hasn't been paid a dime by Fox News, nor has he written a book, even though I am quite sure he could have been offered a fat book deal, like Bissonette. Now heis back home, and I read where he is going to be a motivational speaker. I think he would be great, and I hope he does well. I would pay to listen to him. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-14 9:01 AM
I once knew a Navajo Code talker from WWII. When he was in the army, they were told never to talk about their mission. Even, after it was declassified, he would not talk about it because he was told not to talk about it.
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-11-14 12:58 PM ld3 - 2014-11-14 8:41 AM From what I understand the First guy (point man) is the one that should get all the credit. He spoke Arabic and killed Osama's brother and then shot at Osama - this is what both Matt Bissonnette and the O'Neil guy said. Matt Bissonnette's version: When he walked in the room Osama was on the floor (probably from the point man's shot up the stairs) and two women were standing over him. The point man then grabbed both women, took them away and jumped on them bc they thought they had suicide vests. Then Matt and another guy shot Obama some more. O'Neills story: Osama was standing behind a women, then the pointman took two women away and jumped on them. Then he shot Osama in the head while he was standing behind his wife. Don't you think that if this happened, the wife would've gone crazy and he would've mentioned this? He never mentioned her again, he just said he stood over Osama. I'm sorry, but I don't believe O'Neills story. I believe Bissonnett's...he was shot before Bissonnette/O'Neill got into the room and then those guys finished him off. I respect the point man. HE did the work, AND kept the SEAL honor code, and truly left it to a TEAM being responsible by not trying to get additional attention towards himself. I don't have the impression that O'Neil is all that consumed with getting any credit for shooting UBL. We all have a certain ability to sense when someone is giving us a line of BS....especially horse people. We can often pick up when someone is lying. I honestly didn't get a sense that O'Neil was lying when he was interviewed both by Doocy and O'Reilly. Over and over again, O'Neil emphasized that it wasn't important that he be given the credit for firing the actual shots. He admits it was sheer luck of the draw that put him in the right place at the right time and it could have just as well been any member of the team. O'Neil didn't write a book to try to "cash in" on the raid, but Bissonette did and he is involved in an $8 million lawsuit as plaintiff. O'Neil said "I didn't kill UBL.....even the team didn't kill UBL.....AMERICA killed UBL". That's how he said he looked at it. I saw the film clips of him meeting family members of 9-11 victims, and I can easily see how he was so moved by that experience that he decided to tell his story. I think it's a pretty uplifting story about an everyday kid who grew up hunting and fishing in Montana and eventually became a Navy Seal. I enjoyed hearing how when the seals were going through hell during training and someone decided to quit, all they did was lay their helmet down next to the rest who couldn't take it. He was driven to finish his training partly because he couldn't stand the thought of laying his helmet with his dad's name on it next to the others. He looked at it as letting his father down. That was one thing that kept him going. The one consistent thing throughout his story was how this was an ordinary kid who became a man as a Navy Seal, but constantly stressed the brotherhood and the team. He gave credit to everyone but himself. He seemed humble and I appreciated his explanation of why he decided to step away from his career as a Seal. As far as I know he hasn't been paid a dime by Fox News, nor has he written a book, even though I am quite sure he could have been offered a fat book deal, like Bissonette. Now heis back home, and I read where he is going to be a motivational speaker. I think he would be great, and I hope he does well. I would pay to listen to him.
He can say that all he wants but.... at the end of the day it's his name in the papers, on your tv set, the articles on the internet, NOT his team. Not the other men that risked their lives on that mission. His story of where he came from may be uplifting, and he is more than welcome to share that story but he has no reason to go into detail about what happened that day and boast about how he was the one who killed Bin Laden. All he had to say was that he was apart of the team that went in that day and he was proud to be. I also find it a crock that he gives families peace about 9/11, they knew Bin Laden was dead, i'm sure that was peace enough. He just likes the attention, and maybe he did this because Bissonnette came forward and he couldn't stand it. |
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HotbearLVR - 2014-11-14 12:58 PM ld3 - 2014-11-14 8:41 AM From what I understand the First guy (point man) is the one that should get all the credit. He spoke Arabic and killed Osama's brother and then shot at Osama - this is what both Matt Bissonnette and the O'Neil guy said. Matt Bissonnette's version: When he walked in the room Osama was on the floor (probably from the point man's shot up the stairs) and two women were standing over him. The point man then grabbed both women, took them away and jumped on them bc they thought they had suicide vests. Then Matt and another guy shot Obama some more. O'Neills story: Osama was standing behind a women, then the pointman took two women away and jumped on them. Then he shot Osama in the head while he was standing behind his wife. Don't you think that if this happened, the wife would've gone crazy and he would've mentioned this? He never mentioned her again, he just said he stood over Osama. I'm sorry, but I don't believe O'Neills story. I believe Bissonnett's...he was shot before Bissonnette/O'Neill got into the room and then those guys finished him off. I respect the point man. HE did the work, AND kept the SEAL honor code, and truly left it to a TEAM being responsible by not trying to get additional attention towards himself. I don't have the impression that O'Neil is all that consumed with getting any credit for shooting UBL. We all have a certain ability to sense when someone is giving us a line of BS....especially horse people. We can often pick up when someone is lying. I honestly didn't get a sense that O'Neil was lying when he was interviewed both by Doocy and O'Reilly. Over and over again, O'Neil emphasized that it wasn't important that he be given the credit for firing the actual shots. He admits it was sheer luck of the draw that put him in the right place at the right time and it could have just as well been any member of the team. O'Neil didn't write a book to try to "cash in" on the raid, but Bissonette did and he is involved in an $8 million lawsuit as plaintiff. O'Neil said "I didn't kill UBL.....even the team didn't kill UBL.....AMERICA killed UBL". That's how he said he looked at it. I saw the film clips of him meeting family members of 9-11 victims, and I can easily see how he was so moved by that experience that he decided to tell his story. I think it's a pretty uplifting story about an everyday kid who grew up hunting and fishing in Montana and eventually became a Navy Seal. I enjoyed hearing how when the seals were going through hell during training and someone decided to quit, all they did was lay their helmet down next to the rest who couldn't take it. He was driven to finish his training partly because he couldn't stand the thought of laying his helmet with his dad's name on it next to the others. He looked at it as letting his father down. That was one thing that kept him going. The one consistent thing throughout his story was how this was an ordinary kid who became a man as a Navy Seal, but constantly stressed the brotherhood and the team. He gave credit to everyone but himself. He seemed humble and I appreciated his explanation of why he decided to step away from his career as a Seal. As far as I know he hasn't been paid a dime by Fox News, nor has he written a book, even though I am quite sure he could have been offered a fat book deal, like Bissonette. Now heis back home, and I read where he is going to be a motivational speaker. I think he would be great, and I hope he does well. I would pay to listen to him.
He can say that all he wants but.... at the end of the day it's his name in the papers, on your tv set, the articles on the internet, NOT his team. Not the other men that risked their lives on that mission. His story of where he came from may be uplifting, and he is more than welcome to share that story but he has no reason to go into detail about what happened that day and boast about how he was the one who killed Bin Laden. All he had to say was that he was apart of the team that went in that day and he was proud to be. I also find it a crock that he gives families peace about 9/11, they knew Bin Laden was dead, i'm sure that was peace enough. He just likes the attention, and maybe he did this because Bissonnette came forward and he couldn't stand it.
I wasn't impressed that O'Neil was boasting at all. Bissonette came forward and wrote the book, but to say that O'Neil did what he did because he "couldn't stand it" is conjecture on your part. Bissonette is the one who got a book deal, not O'Neil. O'Neil said he hasn't done that and he won't. Bissonette is the one who stands to make millions in his lawsuit and he is the one under investigation supposedly revealing secrets. As far as I can tell O'Neil isn't.
They are both heroes, in my book, and I think the lesson to be learned here is that if their activities are strictly classified, then an ironclad contract that binds them to secrecy is badly needed. The oath is nice and an honorable thing, but it doesn't seem to have teeth, whereas a contract should. One area where both sides seem to be in agreement is that the people at the top such as Biden and others were definitely out of line, more so than the Seals.
Again, these two men are no different than scores of men who preceeded them as "consultants" and authors, including our Vice President, along with former Special Ops men. Two retired, former members of Seal Team 6 were interviewed last night, I think by Megyn Kelly. They were on opposing sides of this argument, but they both agreed with this. Th also both confessed that some authors of fiction such as Tom Clancy probably disclosed a lot more accurate, sensitive information than anyone. The assumption there is that they somehow were in contact with someone who provided them with this information that enabled Clancy to be so eerily accurate in his writings.
As for the families of 9-11 victims being comforted, that was how it sure looked to me on the video clips. They were moved by his donation of part of his uniform to the 9-11 memorial, as well as his impromptu speech. |
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| The main deal is...there are two different stories....
You can watch on youtube the interviews of how the two guys told it, and they are different....
Here is a CNN story about the two stories:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZASyzwpZIfY
One guy said several people hit him..the other said he was the sole guy that shot him.
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HotbearLVR - 2014-11-14 12:58 PM ld3 - 2014-11-14 8:41 AM From what I understand the First guy (point man) is the one that should get all the credit. He spoke Arabic and killed Osama's brother and then shot at Osama - this is what both Matt Bissonnette and the O'Neil guy said. Matt Bissonnette's version: When he walked in the room Osama was on the floor (probably from the point man's shot up the stairs) and two women were standing over him. The point man then grabbed both women, took them away and jumped on them bc they thought they had suicide vests. Then Matt and another guy shot Obama some more. O'Neills story: Osama was standing behind a women, then the pointman took two women away and jumped on them. Then he shot Osama in the head while he was standing behind his wife. Don't you think that if this happened, the wife would've gone crazy and he would've mentioned this? He never mentioned her again, he just said he stood over Osama. I'm sorry, but I don't believe O'Neills story. I believe Bissonnett's...he was shot before Bissonnette/O'Neill got into the room and then those guys finished him off. I respect the point man. HE did the work, AND kept the SEAL honor code, and truly left it to a TEAM being responsible by not trying to get additional attention towards himself. I don't have the impression that O'Neil is all that consumed with getting any credit for shooting UBL. We all have a certain ability to sense when someone is giving us a line of BS....especially horse people. We can often pick up when someone is lying. I honestly didn't get a sense that O'Neil was lying when he was interviewed both by Doocy and O'Reilly. Over and over again, O'Neil emphasized that it wasn't important that he be given the credit for firing the actual shots. He admits it was sheer luck of the draw that put him in the right place at the right time and it could have just as well been any member of the team. O'Neil didn't write a book to try to "cash in" on the raid, but Bissonette did and he is involved in an $8 million lawsuit as plaintiff. O'Neil said "I didn't kill UBL.....even the team didn't kill UBL.....AMERICA killed UBL". That's how he said he looked at it. I saw the film clips of him meeting family members of 9-11 victims, and I can easily see how he was so moved by that experience that he decided to tell his story. I think it's a pretty uplifting story about an everyday kid who grew up hunting and fishing in Montana and eventually became a Navy Seal. I enjoyed hearing how when the seals were going through hell during training and someone decided to quit, all they did was lay their helmet down next to the rest who couldn't take it. He was driven to finish his training partly because he couldn't stand the thought of laying his helmet with his dad's name on it next to the others. He looked at it as letting his father down. That was one thing that kept him going. The one consistent thing throughout his story was how this was an ordinary kid who became a man as a Navy Seal, but constantly stressed the brotherhood and the team. He gave credit to everyone but himself. He seemed humble and I appreciated his explanation of why he decided to step away from his career as a Seal. As far as I know he hasn't been paid a dime by Fox News, nor has he written a book, even though I am quite sure he could have been offered a fat book deal, like Bissonette. Now heis back home, and I read where he is going to be a motivational speaker. I think he would be great, and I hope he does well. I would pay to listen to him.
He can say that all he wants but.... at the end of the day it's his name in the papers, on your tv set, the articles on the internet, NOT his team. Not the other men that risked their lives on that mission. His story of where he came from may be uplifting, and he is more than welcome to share that story but he has no reason to go into detail about what happened that day and boast about how he was the one who killed Bin Laden. All he had to say was that he was apart of the team that went in that day and he was proud to be. I also find it a crock that he gives families peace about 9/11, they knew Bin Laden was dead, i'm sure that was peace enough. He just likes the attention, and maybe he did this because Bissonnette came forward and he couldn't stand it.
I wasn't impressed that O'Neil was boasting at all. Bissonette came forward and wrote the book, but to say that O'Neil did what he did because he "couldn't stand it" is conjecture on your part. Bissonette is the one who got a book deal, not O'Neil. O'Neil said he hasn't done that and he won't. Bissonette is the one who stands to make millions in his lawsuit and he is the one under investigation supposedly revealing secrets. As far as I can tell O'Neil isn't.
They are both heroes, in my book, and I think the lesson to be learned here is that if their activities are strictly classified, then an ironclad contract that binds them to secrecy is badly needed. The oath is nice and an honorable thing, but it doesn't seem to have teeth, whereas a contract should. One area where both sides seem to be in agreement is that the people at the top such as Biden and others were definitely out of line, more so than the Seals.
Again, these two men are no different than scores of men who preceeded them as "consultants" and authors, including our Vice President, along with former Special Ops men. Two retired, former members of Seal Team 6 were interviewed last night, I think by Megyn Kelly. They were on opposing sides of this argument, but they both agreed with this. Th also both confessed that some authors of fiction such as Tom Clancy probably disclosed a lot more accurate, sensitive information than anyone. The assumption there is that they somehow were in contact with someone who provided them with this information that enabled Clancy to be so eerily accurate in his writings.
As for the families of 9-11 victims being comforted, that was how it sure looked to me on the video clips. They were moved by his donation of part of his uniform to the 9-11 memorial, as well as his impromptu speech.
Those two men are heroes, no matter what side of the argument you are on, you can't take that away from them. I do think they are doing a big disservice to themselves, putting their families in harm, losing the respect of fellow SOF members, and giving the SEALs a bad reputation of being loose lipped. I'm sure the families were more than moved by meeting someone that had apart in bringing justice for their loved ones but I don't see how divulging details of that day and who shot who can bring anymore closure. Maybe this is pure surmise on my part because I do not have any family members that were killed on that day..
All in All, I disagree with them coming forward with such information.
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2014-11-14 5:13 PM
We are now 1/2 say he should honor the code of Keep Thy Mouth SHUT
1/2 say others in the past have talked so he can too
100% it is true that it is a done deal, he talked not much can be done. Now, what is the latest with Ebola?
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